Preseason NCAA Basketball Poll is released

[SoRight24]

Wow my sincerest apologies Dustin. How could I possibly forget you?

Kansas? Who's that? ;)

[seekupig]

Kansas? Who's that? ;)

not sure really, but i heard that some guy named Dean Smith played there a while back... :D

[GavMan33]

looks like it's California with 23 if this list is basketball only....

http://web1.ncaa.org/onlineDir/exec/divisionListing?sortOrder=3&division=1

Well thanks Dustin. Now I don't have to skip class today to do the research :lol

[UNC41]

their center better perform, thats all im saying

Is Boeheim planning on playing smallball this year? They've got a lot of talent at guard or on the wing. I could see Harris or Greene playing the four in small lineup.

I think you guys are getting an excellent kid in Flynn. I saw him play in a couple All-Star games and read other things on the Web, and everything points to his awesomeness at running an offense and leading a team.

[chiznaz]

Wow. This small-school kid can't imagine something like that. That's something else. So how often are you able to get to games? If I remember right, you went to the Big XII tourney correct?

I went to all the games because they switched to a priority points system late in the season. You get points based on how many times you pulled tickets for previous games (the smaller games never had crowds like that). Since I went to all te games before, I had really high odds in the priority system and was able to go.

They are doing something completely new and different this year, but the students still don't know what it is.

I never made it to the BigXII tourny. I preemptively booked a hotel in NOL thinking A&M would be put there with the high seed they had. I was wrong, and I couldn't find good airfare to Lexington. I got to go to the Regional Finals in San Antonio with the student ticket allotment. After we lost to Memphis, I was so heartbroken I sold my regional final ticket to some memphis fan for $40 (my ticket was 10 rows behind the Memphis bench.

[willthethrill]

I went to all the games because they switched to a priority points system late in the season. You get points based on how many times you pulled tickets for previous games (the smaller games never had crowds like that). Since I went to all te games before, I had really high odds in the priority system and was able to go.

They are doing something completely new and different this year, but the students still don't know what it is.

I never made it to the BigXII tourny. I preemptively booked a hotel in NOL thinking A&M would be put there with the high seed they had. I was wrong, and I couldn't find good airfare to Lexington. I got to go to the Regional Finals in San Antonio with the student ticket allotment. After we lost to Memphis, I was so heartbroken I sold my regional final ticket to some memphis fan for $40 (my ticket was 10 rows behind the Memphis bench.

Yea, A&M killed my bracket, how dare them.

[GavMan33]

Yea, A&M killed my bracket, how dare them.

Don't worry, I drank the Aggie koolaid as well. If I remember right, I think I had an Aggie vs. Longhorn Semifinal. Ouch, no wonder I did so bad :lorraine

[seekupig]

Don't worry, I drank the Aggie koolaid as well. If I remember right, I think I had an Aggie vs. Longhorn Semifinal. Ouch, no wonder I did so bad :lorraine

just for future reference... never pick the Big XII to do good in the tourney... they'll cost you money and let you down. trust me.

[justinandimcool]

just for future reference... never pick Kansas to do good in the tourney... they'll cost you money and let you down. trust me.

:thumbsup You finally see the light Dustin. Good for you.



:hug

[justinandimcool]

Don't worry, I drank the Aggie koolaid as well. If I remember right, I think I had an Aggie vs. Longhorn Semifinal. Ouch, no wonder I did so bad :lorraine


Me too. Damn them. I should trusted my own team to at least make the Sweet 16 :lol

If A&M had edged out Memphis they would've had a shot in the next round against Xa...oh wait.


Aw I love you man! :hug

[GavMan33]

Me too. Damn them. I should trusted my own team to at least make the Sweet 16 :lol

If A&M had edged out Memphis they would've had a shot in the next round against Xa...oh wait.


Aw I love you man! :hug

:violent Man, that's your second dig since that horrible St. Patrick's Day. Why you got to keep draggin me down like that? :lol

Not gonna lie, I had Xavier in the Elite Eight, falling to the Aggies in the Regional Final. And this year, once again, I have very high hopes for my Musketeers. So screw all of you that drink that big conference koolaid! :lol

[justinandimcool]

:violent Man, that's your second dig since that horrible St. Patrick's Day. Why you got to keep draggin me down like that? :lol

Not gonna lie, I had Xavier in the Elite Eight, falling to the Aggies in the Regional Final. And this year, once again, I have very high hopes for my Musketeers. So screw all of you that drink that big conference koolaid! :lol


:lol I love love love busting your balls, and knowing my sports karma, USC will probably be eliminated in the first round this year on a last second heave from half court. So we'll be even in no time :lol

[UNC41]

Tyler Zeller and Iman Shumpert, a couple of top 20 recruits in the '08 class, were in Chapel Hill this weekend. I don't know how things went, but I can't imagine UNC's chances were hurt with Felton, May, Marvin Williams, Noel and Eric Montross on campus to take them to the game and play some ball. Zeller had to have been impressed. He's a post player from Indiana, and the last two post players from Indiana to play at UNC, Montross and May, walked away as lottery picks with a national championship.

[GavMan33]

Tyler Zeller and Iman Shumpert, a couple of top 20 recruits in the '08 class, were in Chapel Hill this weekend. I don't know how things went, but I can't imagine UNC's chances were hurt with Felton, May, Marvin Williams, Noel and Eric Montross on campus to take them to the game and play some ball. Zeller had to have been impressed. He's a post player from Indiana, and the last two post players from Indiana to play at UNC, Montross and May, walked away as lottery picks with a national championship.

Wow. That's some pretty overwhelming stuff for a couple recruits. Good for Carolina, way to use your resources :thumbsup

[UNC41]

Wow. That's some pretty overwhelming stuff for a couple recruits. Good for Carolina, way to use your resources :thumbsup

Yeah, those are some great resources to have when it comes to recruiting. Although hopefully May and Montross have a bigger impact on Zeller than Marvin did last fall. Here's a funny little story ...

During an unofficial visit to North Carolina last fall, he was pulled into a pickup game. Teammates told him: "You got Marvin."
"He looked like a skinny freshman or sophomore, so, OK, I got Marvin," Tyler recalled.
"He came down, made a move, layup. 'Dang, can't let that happen again.' Next possession, same thing."
Later, Tyler learned he had been guarding Marvin Williams, No. 2 pick in the 2005 NBA draft. As they were leaving the gym, younger brother Cody pointed to Williams' picture on a wall. "I wanted you to see what his face looks like," Cody teased, "because I figured you just saw the back of his head."


Also, I picked up the Athlon CBB preview this weekend and they've got Xavier as the favorites in the A-10. Sounds like the league should be pretty solid this year.

[SoRight24]

We really need Zeller and Shumpert.

And I love that all of our former players spend so much time in Chapel Hill during the offseason.

It can do nothing but help with recruiting.

[UNC41]

They'd both be fantastic additions, but we aren't in dire NEED for either one. Even if Hansbrough leaves after this year we've got Deon, Alex and Ed Davis in the frontcourt. Shumpert is the guy who we could use more, although Zeller is the perfect big in Roy's offense. If Lawson and Wayne turn pro after this year Shumpert would be the third guy who can play point guard and play the 2 as well.

[GavMan33]

Yeah, those are some great resources to have when it comes to recruiting. Although hopefully May and Montross have a bigger impact on Zeller than Marvin did last fall. Here's a funny little story ...

During an unofficial visit to North Carolina last fall, he was pulled into a pickup game. Teammates told him: "You got Marvin."
"He looked like a skinny freshman or sophomore, so, OK, I got Marvin," Tyler recalled.
"He came down, made a move, layup. 'Dang, can't let that happen again.' Next possession, same thing."
Later, Tyler learned he had been guarding Marvin Williams, No. 2 pick in the 2005 NBA draft. As they were leaving the gym, younger brother Cody pointed to Williams' picture on a wall. "I wanted you to see what his face looks like," Cody teased, "because I figured you just saw the back of his head."


Also, I picked up the Athlon CBB preview this weekend and they've got Xavier as the favorites in the A-10. Sounds like the league should be pretty solid this year.

:lol First off, good stuff. Like you say, guys spend time at Chapel Hill during the offseason because Chapel Hill became their family. Not a lot of schools in the country have that special bond like guys that went to Carolina have. (Back in the day, I used to be a Tar Heel guy, back when they had guys like Carter and Jamison, Zwikker :lol , and the shooter, I think his name was Okulaja? I remember he wore 13).

A-10's supposed to be good this year huh? News to me :lol Like I've said before, since 04 when St. Joe's and X both went to the Elite Eight and 4 teams went to the NCAAs, the league has been a "one-bid league" (meaning a league that deserves to only have 1 team in, due to a darkhorse tourney champion). Maybe we'd be able to get 2 legit teams this year. That'd be a successful season for the conference....

[SoRight24]

They'd both be fantastic additions, but we aren't in dire NEED for either one. Even if Hansbrough leaves after this year we've got Deon, Alex and Ed Davis in the frontcourt. Shumpert is the guy who we could use more, although Zeller is the perfect big in Roy's offense. If Lawson and Wayne turn pro after this year Shumpert would be the third guy who can play point guard and play the 2 as well.

We don't NEED them, per say, but since we aren't bringing anyone in this year as far as recruits, we need to get 3 or 4 guys in the 08 class.

[UNC41]

:lol First off, good stuff. Like you say, guys spend time at Chapel Hill during the offseason because Chapel Hill became their family. Not a lot of schools in the country have that special bond like guys that went to Carolina have. (Back in the day, I used to be a Tar Heel guy, back when they had guys like Carter and Jamison, Zwikker :lol , and the shooter, I think his name was Okulaja? I remember he wore 13).

A-10's supposed to be good this year huh? News to me :lol Like I've said before, since 04 when St. Joe's and X both went to the Elite Eight and 4 teams went to the NCAAs, the league has been a "one-bid league" (meaning a league that deserves to only have 1 team in, due to a darkhorse tourney champion). Maybe we'd be able to get 2 legit teams this year. That'd be a successful season for the conference....

Ya, loved that team with Cota, Jamison, Carter, Ndiaye, Haywood, Okulaja and Shammond. As for the bond, you're right. I'm amazed at the time Marvin is spending in Chapel Hill after just one year in college. I think he would have come back for his sophomore year if his mom didn't need the money so bad.

As for the A-10, Athon's only predicing one bid, Xavier. I'll cheer for them. I've liked Lavander since his days at Oklahoma. I also can't stand St. Joe's pretty much because of Martelli and Delonte West and Majerus means cheering against Saint Louis. I liked that Rhode Island team that upset someone in the tournament, for some reason I am thinking UCLA, with Lamar Odom a few years back.

We don't NEED them, per say, but since we aren't bringing anyone in this year as far as recruits, we need to get 3 or 4 guys in the 08 class.

I agree. Depending on who leaves, however, I wonder how many scholarships they'll have. Q is the only senior.

[GavMan33]

Ya, loved that team with Cota, Jamison, Carter, Ndiaye, Haywood, Okulaja and Shammond. As for the bond, you're right. I'm amazed at the time Marvin is spending in Chapel Hill after just one year in college. I think he would have come back for his sophomore year if his mom didn't need the money so bad.

As for the A-10, Athon's only predicing one bid, Xavier. I'll cheer for them. I've liked Lavander since his days at Oklahoma. I also can't stand St. Joe's pretty much because of Martelli and Delonte West and Majerus means cheering against Saint Louis. I liked that Rhode Island team that upset someone in the tournament, for some reason I am thinking UCLA, with Lamar Odom a few years back.

Now if I'm remembering this right, Shammond was the PG of the team that broke Rupp's record for Dean Smith yes? And then Cota was the PG of the team that lost to Weber St, right? There's a lot of hoop in my head and sometimes it blends together. Dean Smith got the all-time wins record in 1996 right?

Now I'm gonna talk this out. in 1996 UMass with Camby went to the Final Four beating AI's Georgetown team in the Elite Eight, and I kinda think that was in the East Region. And I know when Dean Smith broke the record, it was vs. Fairfield in the 1st round of the tourney, as a #1 seed, and I'm almost positive it was in the East region. So now I'm thinking it was 97. And then maybe it was 98 or 99 that they lost to Weber State? That sounds better. I think it was 1997 that Dean broke the record vs. Fairfield, and 1998ish (maybe 99?) when they lost to Weber State.

As for the Rhode Island team you mention, that was 1998. Ask Dustin, he remembers :lol And actually, that was the year before Odom arrived there. As I remember, Cuttino Mobley and Antonio Reynolds-Dean were the best off that squad. And the PG was Tyson Wheeler; he missed 4 FTs late in the Elite Eight vs. Stanford, and I think they lost by one possession. It's too bad. The only Final Four the A-10 has ever had was illegit :shrug

[SoRight24]

I'm glad Majerus is at St. Louis.

Now I don't have to hear his fat ass on ESPN.

[GavMan33]

I'm glad Majerus is at St. Louis.

Now I don't have to hear his fat ass on ESPN.

:lol :lol :thumbsup :thumbsup

[UNC41]

Kendall Marshall, a top 10 player in the 2010 class, is going to give a verbal tomorrow. Rumor has it he's going to UNC. He visited UNC not too long ago and received an offer. Now he's scheduled to attend Midnight Madness at Carolina and canceled trips to Duke, Ohio St. and Wake Forest.

I'm not a fan of recruiting that young, but it seems that's how things are these days. It's go after these kids so young or miss out on elite prospects.

[GavMan33]

Kendall Marshall, a top 10 player in the 2010 class, is going to give a verbal tomorrow. Rumor has it he's going to UNC. He visited UNC not too long ago and received an offer. Now he's scheduled to attend Midnight Madness at Carolina and canceled trips to Duke, Ohio St. and Wake Forest.

I'm not a fan of recruiting that young, but it seems that's how things are these days. It's go after these kids so young or miss out on elite prospects.

I read somewhere (maybe from here?) that Justin's boy Tim Floyd is in the business of offering 8th graders now. Unbelievable :ugh

[chiznaz]

Man I forget about this thread for a week and A&M takes a beating:lol

But yeah, Big 12 /= success in the tourny.


A&M just got 2 nice 4-star commits out of Florida to finish up the '08 class. As a result, we have a serious in with one of the top AAU teams in the country.

[willthethrill]

Kendall Marshall, a top 10 player in the 2010 class, is going to give a verbal tomorrow. Rumor has it he's going to UNC. He visited UNC not too long ago and received an offer. Now he's scheduled to attend Midnight Madness at Carolina and canceled trips to Duke, Ohio St. and Wake Forest.

I'm not a fan of recruiting that young, but it seems that's how things are these days. It's go after these kids so young or miss out on elite prospects.

Really excited about this, even if it is super early. All signs pointing to UNC.

About Zeller and Shumpert, saw them at the football game Saturday and everybody started chanting their names. Pretty cool.

[SoRight24]

Come on down Mr. Marshall.

Now the Duke contingent is claiming "they were never ineterested".

Give me a fucking break, they were all over him.

[UNC41]

That's dookies for you.

Everything pointed to UNC even before his visit. He goes to Ginyard's high school as is the PG on Ed Davis' AAU team.

[willthethrill]

And the rest is history. Marshall to UNC, even if he did just become a HS soph. Enough of Roy getting beat to the punch by coaches like that cradle-robber at USC.

[seekupig]

Carolina fans..... this one's for you.... :lol

INDEPENDENCE, Ohio -- The Cleveland Cavaliers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=cle) have moved into a swanky new $25 million practice facility and the team brought along its sense of humor, for the most part.

Pranksters painted the office of general manager Danny Ferry (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=110), who played for Duke before putting on the Cavaliers uniform, the colors of rival North Carolina.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3028580

[GavMan33]

Carolina fans..... this one's for you.... :lol

INDEPENDENCE, Ohio -- The Cleveland Cavaliers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=cle) have moved into a swanky new $25 million practice facility and the team brought along its sense of humor, for the most part.

Pranksters painted the office of general manager Danny Ferry (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=110), who played for Duke before putting on the Cavaliers uniform, the colors of rival North Carolina.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3028580

I hated this guy :violent

[mizzoudmbfan]

Tyler Zeller and Iman Shumpert, a couple of top 20 recruits in the '08 class, were in Chapel Hill this weekend. I don't know how things went, but I can't imagine UNC's chances were hurt with Felton, May, Marvin Williams, Noel and Eric Montross on campus to take them to the game and play some ball. Zeller had to have been impressed. He's a post player from Indiana, and the last two post players from Indiana to play at UNC, Montross and May, walked away as lottery picks with a national championship.

I couldn't imagine this was true when I read it. Guess I was mistaken.

http://www.charlotte.com/sports/story/285303.html

This just a technicality and I'm sure nothing will come of this. Just another example of how squeeky clean 'ol Roy is...

[SmoothG]

I think Arizona is underrated this year. Their last two years were weak, but I think this year's team will be much better than expected. Chase Budinger will be a first team all american. They are playing one of the toughest schedules in America again.

[seekupig]

I think Arizona is underrated this year. Their last two years were weak, but I think this year's team will be much better than expected. Chase Budinger will be a first team all american. They are playing one of the toughest schedules in America again.

@ Kansas.

be ready....:twenty4

[SoRight24]

Midnight Madness less than 2 weeks away!!

:bounce

[justinandimcool]

I don't have a source, but rumor has it the OJ Mayo punched teammate Daniel Hackett in the face.

:lol

This season should be interesting.

[willthethrill]

Wow. To say the least. Good luck with that.

[SoRight24]

I don't have a source, but rumor has it the OJ Mayo punched teammate Daniel Hackett in the face.

:lol

This season should be interesting.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-uschoops30sep30,1,3630948.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

Turned out to be just a rumor.

Mayo elbowed him going for a rebound, it was unintentional.

[GavMan33]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-uschoops30sep30,1,3630948.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

Turned out to be just a rumor.

Mayo elbowed him going for a rebound, it was unintentional.

It's unbelievable how rumors get started :lol

[UNC41]

I couldn't imagine this was true when I read it. Guess I was mistaken.

http://www.charlotte.com/sports/story/285303.html

This just a technicality and I'm sure nothing will come of this. Just another example of how squeeky clean 'ol Roy is...

I really don't think that is a big deal at all. May and Marvin are current students, so there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. If Felton spoke to Shumpert, it's against NCAA rules, but IMO a minor and pretty dumb rule. I don't see what's so hard to believe about Felton playing pickup basketball back in Chapel Hill. Guys do it every summer.

I think Arizona is underrated this year. Their last two years were weak, but I think this year's team will be much better than expected. Chase Budinger will be a first team all american. They are playing one of the toughest schedules in America again.

Losing Williams should be addition by subtraction, but Ivan and Shakur wil be losses. Bayless is going to have to step in right away and do big things. I love Jordan Hill though. He should shine. I could see him as their second best player.

[mizzoudmbfan]

I really don't think that is a big deal at all. May and Marvin are current students, so there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. If Felton spoke to Shumpert, it's against NCAA rules, but IMO a minor and pretty dumb rule. I don't see what's so hard to believe about Felton playing pickup basketball back in Chapel Hill. Guys do it every summer.


You are right, it isnt a big deal. But for a guy like Roy that crows about how clean a program he runs its interesting to me. From the moment these guys set foot on campus the rules are pounded into their brains and that something this basic just happened to happen is a little fishy to me. I agree guys come back "home" every summer and play pick up ball with their friends and former teammates. Kareem Rush joined in on a practice session with our team before the IL State game a couple of weeks ago.

And trust me, as a Missouri fan I know all about dumb rules but just because they are dumb doesn't mean they don't apply.

[seekupig]

And trust me, as a Missouri fan I know all about dumb rules but just because they are dumb doesn't mean they don't apply.

i think we can all agree that Roy was squeaky clean until he arrived in Chapel Hill.... :D :lol

[UNC41]

Indiana recruit arrested on coke charges ...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3041907

[willthethrill]

Indiana recruit arrested on coke charges ...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3041907

Yea, I read about that yesterday.

Been there, don't wanna do that again. But hey, maybe it helped us in the long run. Imagine Curry with the '05 guys or the '06 guys? Totally different dynamic.

[SmoothG]

Bump. I can't wait for the season to start! I predict an Arizona Elite Eight.

[chiznaz]

A&M kicks off the season this Friday night with Maroon Madness.

We have TON of top recruits around Texas coming in. A big part of the reason is that our athletic department is having Souja Boy (:lol) come in for a concert to coincide with the event. If it's a success, I could see some other schools trying a similar thing next year.



As for the season, A&M is going to have an elite frontcourt. If we can get solid play from our guards, we can make it back to the Sweet 16.

[SoRight24]

I predict a National Championship for the Heels.

Its pretty much that or bust, with these expectations.

But thats really no different from any other year in Chapel Hill. :lol

[seekupig]

I predict a National Championship for the Heels.

Its pretty much that or bust, with these expectations.

But thats really no different from any other year in Chapel Hill. :lol

should be another good year for both of out teams....

my preseason top 5 looks like this at the moment.....

UCLA
UNC
Kansas
Memphis
Louisville

[SoRight24]

should be another good year for both of out teams....

my preseason top 5 looks like this at the moment.....

UCLA
UNC
Kansas
Memphis
Louisville

I am still awaiting a matchup of Carolina and Kansas in the Final Four or Championship.

It would be the epic of all battles. :thumbsup

And Roy would probably cry either way. :lol

[SoRight24]

http://tarheelblue.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/100807aab.html

And that article just excites me more than hell for the season to start!

I hope Greg Paulus and the other ACC point guards are ready to get pwned.

[seekupig]

I am still awaiting a matchup of Carolina and Kansas in the Final Four or Championship.

It would be the epic of all battles. :thumbsup

And Roy would probably cry either way. :lol

I saw it twice in the 90's. KU beat UNC in the '91 semifinals, then lost to Duke in the title game. UNC beat KU in the '93 semifinals then went on to beat Michigan in the title game. i'd love to see it again... :thumbsup

[SoRight24]

I saw it twice in the 90's. KU beat UNC in the '91 semifinals, then lost to Duke in the title game. UNC beat KU in the '93 semifinals then went on to beat Michigan in the title game. i'd love to see it again... :thumbsup

I saw the 93 matchup, but it would be more interesting with Roy at the helm this time.

I was only 5 at the time, but I remember it vividly. :thumbsup

[seekupig]

I saw the 93 matchup, but it would be more interesting with Roy at the helm this time.

I was only 5 at the time, but I remember it vividly. :thumbsup

it was pretty interesting then with the teacher vs. student thing, and Roy having only been gone for a few years. but i agree, this would be WAY more fun to watch. i'd go buy stock in kleenex if it happened...

[bustdstuff]

So, I haven't been in here in a looong while. I hope that this season that will change. Last season I had a crazy work schedule, and no internet (now I've got a cable modem and a moto q).

Duke's schedule looks interesting. I hope they can pick it up now that they're older.

[GavMan33]

So, I haven't been in here in a looong while. I hope that this season that will change. Last season I had a crazy work schedule, and no internet (now I've got a cable modem and a moto q).

Duke's schedule looks interesting. I hope they can pick it up now that they're older.

:eek

Careful buddy, a lot of Carolina guys in here. And they don't like Duke :lol

[SoRight24]

:eek

Careful buddy, a lot of Carolina guys in here. And they don't like Duke :lol

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

;)

[UNC41]

So, I haven't been in here in a looong while. I hope that this season that will change. Last season I had a crazy work schedule, and no internet (now I've got a cable modem and a moto q).

Duke's schedule looks interesting. I hope they can pick it up now that they're older.

Let me translate ...

Crazy work schedule = turnover prone point guard
No internet = overrated crybaby in the post

[SoRight24]

Let me translate ...

Crazy work schedule = turnover prone point guard
No internet = overrated crybaby in the post

:lol :lol

Lawson will promptly put Paulus in his place.

[UNC41]

:lol :lol

Lawson will promptly put Paulus in his place.

Lawson, Q and Bobby could all do that playing PG. I think Paulus could be a solid college SG based on his play from late last year, but Duke needs him to play, albeit poorly, at PG because they have no one else.

[SoRight24]

Lawson, Q and Bobby could all do that playing PG. I think Paulus could be a solid college SG based on his play from late last year, but Duke needs him to play, albeit poorly, at PG because they have no one else.

K always plays his players out of position.

Look at McBobs, he was playing the 4/5 and he is a 3.

Thats why he sucked so much in college, because he was playing out of position.

[seekupig]

Lawson, Q and Bobby could all do that playing PG. I think Paulus could be a solid college SG based on his play from late last year, but Duke needs him to play, albeit poorly, at PG because they have no one else.

you guys be nice... all this talk is making Coach K's hip sore....

[UNC41]

K always plays his players out of position.

Look at McBobs, he was playing the 4/5 and he is a 3.

Thats why he sucked so much in college, because he was playing out of position.

McSobberts was a 4. He didn't have the quickness to play the 3. He sucked to much in college because he was softer than the Pillsbury dough boy and didn't have what it takes to be "the guy" when Duke needed him to.

Singler is a guy who will definitely play out of position this year. He'll play the 4 because the one place Duke has depth is on the wing. I can't wait to see how abused he gets in the post. He'll be good offensively, but there is no way he can guard 4/5s.

you guys be nice... all this talk is making Coach K's hip sore....

:lol :lol :lol

[SoRight24]

McSobberts was a 4. He didn't have the quickness to play the 3. He sucked to much in college because he was softer than the Pillsbury dough boy and didn't have what it takes to be "the guy" when Duke needed him to.

Singler is a guy who will definitely play out of position this year. He'll play the 4 because the one place Duke has depth is on the wing. I can't wait to see how abused he gets in the post. He'll be good offensively, but there is no way he can guard 4/5s.



:lol :lol :lol

McRoberts is more athletic than you think though.

He could have played the 3 a lot better than he did the 4.

I agree, he was soft though.

[GavMan33]

My favorite part of all that just happened is you guys are taking turns just shitting all over Duke and the guy isn't even here anymore :lol

[UNC41]

McRoberts is more athletic than you think though.

He could have played the 3 a lot better than he did the 4.

I agree, he was soft though.

He's skilled with the ball, but not quick enough for the 3. Plus, if he played the 3 Duke would have gotten killed even worse than they did on the boards and defenses could have sagged in the post as he didn't have tons of range.

[SoRight24]

My favorite part of all that just happened is you guys are taking turns just shitting all over Duke and the guy isn't even here anymore :lol

Here or not, I will shit on Duke till the end of my life. :thumbsup :lol

[kydmb99]

UK's Midnight Madness is Friday Night... :bounce

[DMBnick15]

about time to change the avatar to some carolina blue.
i get so much shit about being a carolina fan, it's unbelievable. mostly from the duke bandwagon-ers. i have also made so much money off being a carolina fan too. money>friends haha

[bustdstuff]

Let me translate ...

Crazy work schedule = turnover prone point guard
No internet = overrated crybaby in the post

:lol :lol :lol

I wish I had been able to get on here to vent. Last season (from what I could watch) was abysmal. It was kind of fitting that they lost to VCU after Capel left.

[SmoothD41]

I...am....pumped.

[GavMan33]

I...am....pumped.

Xavier vs. IU

Thanksgiving Weekend.

Bitch.

;)

[JamesM]

Go 'Nova!

[UNLTrpt]

Preseason All Big 12 team:

Curtis Jerrells, Baylor
Darrell Arthur, Kansas
Brandon Rush, Kansas
D.J. Augustin, Texas
Joseph Jones, Texas A&M
Aleks Maric, Nebraska

Alex Maric? Are you serious? :lol

[SmoothG]

Losing Williams should be addition by subtraction, but Ivan and Shakur wil be losses. Bayless is going to have to step in right away and do big things. I love Jordan Hill though. He should shine. I could see him as their second best player.

Williams is definitely addition by subtraction...and so is Shakur. He was awful. I think Bayless could be better this year than Shakur ever was. I love Jordan Hill, he could be a monster. Hopefully Walters can at least play consistently. I think O'Neil is going to have them playing more physical. And I think Chase is ready for a nasty year! Can't wait till the madness begins!!!

[willthethrill]

Friday baby! I'm so excited to get back in the Dome, such a promising season lies ahead.

[chiznaz]

Preseason All Big 12 team:

Curtis Jerrells, Baylor
Darrell Arthur, Kansas
Brandon Rush, Kansas
D.J. Augustin, Texas
Joseph Jones, Texas A&M
Aleks Maric, Nebraska

Alex Maric? Are you serious? :lol

I don't think they wanted Kansas to hold the majority for it. They could very well have 3 guys on that 1st team.

[TwoStepJeff]

Never thought i would ever say this, but i cant wait for WSU Cougar basketball.. gonna be a fucking sweet season

[SoRight24]

Friday baby! I'm so excited to get back in the Dome, such a promising season lies ahead.

Are you going to the USuCk game on Saturday?

[UNC41]

Preseason All Big 12 team:

Curtis Jerrells, Baylor
Darrell Arthur, Kansas
Brandon Rush, Kansas
D.J. Augustin, Texas
Joseph Jones, Texas A&M
Aleks Maric, Nebraska

Alex Maric? Are you serious? :lol

Maric is the leading returing scorer and rebounder in the conference. How would he be anything other than on the First-Team?

[UNLTrpt]

Maric is the leading returing scorer and rebounder in the conference. How would he be anything other than on the First-Team?

:lol
like I said Nebraska having someone good enough to be on the Big 12 preseason team says one of two things:

1) Big 12 is way down

or

2) Alex is better than we all think he is here in Neb.

He's very streaky. He'll have a couple monster games, and then he'll go absolutely cold.

[seekupig]

:lol
like I said Nebraska having someone good enough to be on the Big 12 preseason team says one of two things:

1) Big 12 is way down

or

2) Alex is better than we all think he is here in Neb.

He's very streaky. He'll have a couple monster games, and then he'll go absolutely cold.

or

3) he's the only legitimate scoring threat, so his stats are inflated. ;)

[MPizzle06]

Go Illini!!!!

[willthethrill]

Are you going to the USuCk game on Saturday?
You know it! Best tailgate of the year, and hopefully a decent game will follow ;) Words cannot describe how badly I want UNC to win on Saturday.

[SmoothD41]

hoo-hoo-hoo-hoosiers

[GavMan33]

Xavier vs. IU

Thanksgiving Weekend.

Bitch.

;)

hoo-hoo-hoo-hoosiers

Maybe you missed that from above ;)

[SmoothD41]

Maybe you missed that from above ;)

are you gonna try and go?

I am considering it.

[GavMan33]

are you gonna try and go?

I am considering it.

Nah bro I can't. I'm not at school in Cincinnati this semester, so I'm not close enough to Chicago. I was up at the United Center a couple years back when Xavier played Illinois up there, but I don't think this one is at the United Center. I don't remember where it's being played though. Never been to a Big Ten basketball game, but that Xavier/Illinois game is the best college basketball environment I've ever been in. Orange EVERYWHERE in that place, and then our tiny section of blue behind our bench :lol Big Ten fans bring it for sure :thumbsup

[justinandimcool]

^ And Big Ten schools always bring it too. Such as tOSU. Especially in March, down by 3.



By the way. I'm really tired of all these Duke games on the ESPN schedule. I'd like to see more of the ACC. Not just them.


Wow that attempt at insulting Xavier was really weak.

[GavMan33]

^ And Big Ten schools always bring it too. Such as tOSU. Especially in March, down by 3.



By the way. I'm really tired of all these Duke games on the ESPN schedule. I'd like to see more of the ACC. Not just them.


Wow that attempt at insulting Xavier was really weak.

:violent Yeah that was weak Justin. Get some new material :lol

[justinandimcool]

:violent Yeah that was weak Justin. Get some new material :lol

Believe me. After this year. I'll have tons. ;)

[bothedmbfan]

Illini.

[SoRight24]

You know it! Best tailgate of the year, and hopefully a decent game will follow ;) Words cannot describe how badly I want UNC to win on Saturday.

Thats awesome man, I'll be there as well.

:thumbsup

[GavMan33]

Believe me. After this year. I'll have tons. ;)

:rolleyes What?

[UNLTrpt]

or

3) he's the only legitimate scoring threat, so his stats are inflated. ;)

:violent

you're starting to get on my nerves jayhawk

:D

nah I probably agree with that

[willthethrill]

Thats awesome man, I'll be there as well.

:thumbsup

Very cool, you tailgating? Where are your seats?

(btw, I've already seen 2 cars w/ 'cocks flags on Franklin St.) :violent

[willthethrill]

By the way. I'm really tired of all these Duke games on the ESPN schedule. I'd like to see more of the ACC. Not just them.


ESPN will continue to schedule dook as long as Vitale works there. There's a clause in his contract that states he must get felt up by Cameron Crazies at least 15 times a year.

[seekupig]

ESPN will continue to schedule dook as long as Vitale works there. There's a clause in his contract that states he must get felt up by Cameron Crazies at least 15 times a year.


:thumbsup :thumbsup

[SoRight24]

Very cool, you tailgating? Where are your seats?

(btw, I've already seen 2 cars w/ 'cocks flags on Franklin St.) :violent

I'm in section 206, and yes I'll be tailgating, although I'm not sure what time I'll be there.

Probably around 12 or 1.

And yes, the Cocks fans are coming in full force. :violent

[willthethrill]

I'll be in Granville parking lot starting around 11 or 12. We always have a big party there.

[SoRight24]

I'll be in Granville parking lot starting around 11 or 12. We always have a big party there.

We'll be in the Bell Tower Lot around that time as well. We'll be in a grey Honda Accord with a table and tent set up, if you want to look us up, stop by and have a beer.

I just opened the first Bud Light about 10 minutes ago, the party has already started, partly because of the Sox game tonight and then the Carolina game tommorow.

Should be a fun weekend. :thumbsup

[GavMan33]

My Goodness, are you all lucky or what? I'm going to hit post 2,000 on Midnight Madness night. In honor of this wonderful achievement, I will be breaking down the Musketeers. And if you're wondering, Xavier does not do a Musketeer Madness, haven't since Skip Prosser left for Wake Forest. We play a Musketeer Madness intrasquad scrimmage a week after practice starts on a Saturday around 7pm. It's must more family-friendly. It's free, and we usually get around 7 or 8,000 to show up. It's a good time....

[SoRight24]

If the Sox weren't fucking playing tonight, I'd be going to the Smith Center.

But I can't miss my Sox, and plus I've been to Late Night 2 years in a row, and it was the same routine both times.

[willthethrill]

If the Sox weren't fucking playing tonight, I'd be going to the Smith Center.

But I can't miss my Sox, and plus I've been to Late Night 2 years in a row, and it was the same routine both times.

Yea, no freshman makes it a little less interesting, but I was there in 04/05 when it all began, I hope that same electricity will be in the air. Plus, big weekend for recruiting. Our '08 commits coming in and a bunch of '09 boys. Plus, Arthur Brown coming in for football. Damn I'm excited.

[UNC41]

Rivals names UNC their No. 1 team heading into the season. It means absolutely nothing, but is always nice to see your team ranked at the top.

http://collegebasketball.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1146&CID=699690

[SoRight24]

Yea, no freshman makes it a little less interesting, but I was there in 04/05 when it all began, I hope that same electricity will be in the air. Plus, big weekend for recruiting. Our '08 commits coming in and a bunch of '09 boys. Plus, Arthur Brown coming in for football. Damn I'm excited.

Yeah its HUGE.

I think the 2010 committ Kendal Marshall will be there tonight as well.

And Arthur Brown is a BEAST. I heard that some of the students were making shirts that spell out his name, I hope that is true. :thumbsup

[GavMan33]

Sorry, just wrote it up, have to post it now.

The Musketeers, as Justin knows very well, are coming off of a gut-wrenching loss to Ohio State in the 2nd round of last year’s NCAA Tournament. But a team that wins 25 games is tough to be disappointed in. The 07-08 version will lose 3 very key players to graduation. 6’9” Justin Doellman was a stat-filler for four years. He did everything for Xavier, and was very underrated in the Atlantic 10, even as an upperclassmen. He was a starter on the 2004 Elite Eight squad a Freshman. 6’6” Forward Justin Cage was a defensive stopper for the squad. Also a Freshman starter on the 2004 Elite Eight squad, he came up with some huge games in huge situations. He scored 19 points and grabbed 8 rebounds in the 2006 Atlantic 10 Tournament Championship to garner the Tourney MVP. And he was the best player on the floor, save Ron Lewis, in the Ohio State loss last season, putting 25 points on Greg Oden. 6’8” Center Brandon Cole is the third starter from last season’s team to be lost to graduation. A 5th-year Senior last season, he was redshirted and learned from 2003 National Player of the Year David West how to play the college game. He was inserted into the starting lineup in the middle of last season when starting Center Josh Duncan went down with an ankle injury, and the team became that much better with him in the middle. A fantastic rebounder, he’s one of the huge reasons last year’s team was 25-9.

Which brings us to this season. With three starting rolls to fill, there are a number of different options.

Manhattan College transfer C.J. Anderson becomes eligible this season after sitting out last season per-NCAA transfer rules. As he becomes acclimated to the new environment, he will be a huge contributor to this team.

Redshirt Sophomore Derrick Brown will be a name you will become very familiar with on the national scale in the next couple of years. He will be another huge contributor, whether in the starting lineup or off the bench. We will see if he’s developed a jump shot over the offseason. If he has, he will become that much tougher to guard. The kid is one of the most athletic people in the nation; at 6’7”, he is extremely quick, and jumps out of the gym. He had 16 rebounds in the NCAA win over BYU last season.

Junior B.J. Raymond is a deadly 3-point shooter. He shattered his high school’s all-time scoring mark at St. John’s Jesuit in Toledo, Ohio, proving he can score the ball. When he was given a bigger role at the end of the 2006 season, he thrived, scoring 12 and 16 points in his first games playing extended minutes.

6’11” Charles Bronson is a Junior College transfer from Texas. I don’t know much about him, except that he has 2 years of eligibility remaining. He will likely split minutes with 6’9” Center Jason Love, a sophomore from Philadelphia. They will likely be backups to Josh Duncan.

5’7” Senior, Drew Lavender. I just read he is up for the Cousy Award this season, given to the best point guard in the country. Once he became familiar with our offense last season in December, he became the player we envisioned he would be when we got him from Oklahoma.

6’3” Senior Guard, Stanley Burrell: The kid will be a 1,500 point scorer by the time he is through. To put that in perspective, that would put him around #15 on the school’s all-time scoring list. He can both shoot the 3-ball, as well as put it on the floor and score it at the basket. His defense has improved vastly over the course of last season, and he is now one of the team’s best defenders.

6’9” Senior Forward/Center, Josh Duncan. He has not gotten the opportunity to be a full-time starter yet in his college career due to the tremendous depth of the team. He is a 6’9” shooter, capable of knocking down the 3-ball all day long. He is also able to finish at the basket. He should draw the bigger defenders out toward the perimeter, opening up room inside for others to operate.

As I’ve said in here before, the nonconference schedule is the most daunting in program history. We play the 2nd of a 2-for-1 series vs. Kansas St. at the Cincinnati neutral floor U.S. Bank Arena, where our team knocked off both Kansas St. (with a healthy Bill Walker) and Illinois. The team will travel to Tempe, AZ, to play at Arizona State. At home we will play Creighton, Cincinnati, Tennessee, Virginia, St. Joseph’s, and George Washington. This team will also be traveling to Chicago to play Kent St., and then hopefully Indiana. Will also play at UMass and at Auburn.

You may laugh and say yeah, but we play in the Atlantic 10. Sure, we play in the Atlantic 10. Last year we were 13-3 in conference, and you ask how we don’t go undefeated, and how we should go play an ACC conference season. Well I flip it. I challenge your boys from Chapel Hill to play the Atlantic 10 schedule, and I’d feel pretty confident that you would not make it through the schedule undefeated as well.

This team will be very, very talented. And will the best recruiting class the school has also had coming in 2008 as well as transfers sitting out this season, Xavier basketball should be in great shape for years. You will see a Top 25 ranking early this season, and hopefully at the end, and another trip to an NCAA Tournament.

[GavMan33]

That doesn't look quite like I wanted it to, I hope you all can read it :shrug

[willthethrill]

That doesn't look quite like I wanted it to, I hope you all can read it :shrug

Boooooo!

Good read, I'm rooting for y'all this year.

[GavMan33]

Boooooo!

Good read, I'm rooting for y'all this year.

Much thanks bro. As I've said before in here, before I became of college age, I was a Tar Heel. Not really sure why though (I'm from Upstate NY). I think I really liked Dean Smith, and Antawn Jamison too. Stackhouse not so much. Really liked Shammon Williams, but not Ed Cota. Montross definitely not, but surely Donald Williams. George Lynch, big thumbs up.

I went to a military high school, so on my Senior page, my "real" picture is me in a shirt and bowtie, and my military jacket. The picture you send in to be put in with it is me and my sister, and I'm wearing a Carolina sweatshirt and a gorgeous Tar Heel blue hat. I lost it on that trip to Arizona. What a great hat, I wish I still had it :shrug

[UNC41]

Much thanks bro. As I've said before in here, before I became of college age, I was a Tar Heel. Not really sure why though (I'm from Upstate NY). I think I really liked Dean Smith, and Antawn Jamison too. Stackhouse not so much. Really liked Shammon Williams, but not Ed Cota. Montross definitely not, but surely Donald Williams. George Lynch, big thumbs up.

I went to a military high school, so on my Senior page, my "real" picture is me in a shirt and bowtie, and my military jacket. The picture you send in to be put in with it is me and my sister, and I'm wearing a Carolina sweatshirt and a gorgeous Tar Heel blue hat. I lost it on that trip to Arizona. What a great hat, I wish I still had it :shrug

College basketball blasmphemy.

[willthethrill]

College basketball blasmphemy.
No kidding! One of my top 3 players ever.

[kydmb99]

UK's Midnight madness tonight. 12 recruits in attendance... Haven't been this :bounce about Kentucky basketball in a long time.

[UNC41]

No kidding! One of my top 3 players ever.

Him and Felton are top 2 for me.

[chiznaz]

A&M's Maroon Madness tonight featuring Soulja Boy in between the girls and guys showing.

It's going to be awesome.

[GavMan33]

College basketball blasmphemy.

Ouch. Tough room :lol

[GavMan33]

So I think I know a lot about college basketball, but apparently I've been wrong my entire life. So I pose the question:

Has the Summit League been around the entire time? How is that possible? I've never heard of it, but it says Western Illinois has been apart of it since 1982. Is it possibly the Mid-Continent conference renamed?

I remember when X played IPFW (Indiana-Purdue Fort Wayne, in one of the worst nonconference games in the history of nonconference games) and they were an independent. I also knew that North Dakota St. was moving into a conference this year, but I didn't know which one; that conference is the Summit League. Oral Roberts is also in it, as is Southern Utah. So this conference is going to stretch from Detroit, Michigan all the way out to Utah. That's like the A-10 from Kingston, Rhode Island, to Charlotte, NC, to St. Louis, MO. Craziness

[willthethrill]

Iman Shumpert, #5 ranked SG in the class of '08 by Scout, will decide between UNC, Indiana, and Marquette at 6:30 today. Hopefully my next post on here will be one of joy.

[SoRight24]

Iman Shumpert, #5 ranked SG in the class of '08 by Scout, will decide between UNC, Indiana, and Marquette at 6:30 today. Hopefully my next post on here will be one of joy.

I believe it's Ga Tech instead of Indiana, Will. :thumbsup

I hope we get him!

[UNC41]

I believe it's Ga Tech instead of Indiana, Will. :thumbsup

I hope we get him!

It is Ga Tech. Apparently people think he's going to Marquette, but nothing has been leaked, which is odd.

[SoRight24]

It is Ga Tech. Apparently people think he's going to Marquette, but nothing has been leaked, which is odd.

It wouldn't surprise me if he picked Marquette.

Dominic Cheek was supposed to committ last weekend at Late Night, but he didn't for some reason.

He said he wants to take more visits, I don't know if that is a good thing or not. :shrug

[willthethrill]

Dumb me. I keep getting him and Zeller confused.

[UNC41]

It wouldn't surprise me if he picked Marquette.

Dominic Cheek was supposed to committ last weekend at Late Night, but he didn't for some reason.

He said he wants to take more visits, I don't know if that is a good thing or not. :shrug

I wonder if Cheek is waiting on Shumpert's decision?

So apparently the Carolina boards think there's a good chance he's heading to Marquette and the Marquette boards think there's a good chance he's heading to Carolina. The GT talk is quite, which is a little odd because they are the one school that said he could be a PG and I thought that was what he wanted. We will see ...

[SoRight24]

Shumpert to Ga Tech.

:(

[JamesM]

Ladies & Gentlemen, Scottie Reynolds.

The Wildcats are gonna be big* this year


*BIG!^


^ BIG!!!!!!

[UNC41]

Ladies & Gentlemen, Scottie Reynolds.

The Wildcats are gonna be big* this year


*BIG!^


^ BIG!!!!!!

A three-guard lineup with two undersized post players ... sounds like they are going to be small this year, not big. :D

[willthethrill]

Shumpert to Ga Tech.

:(

I think I cursed us by forgetting them.

[GavMan33]

Ladies & Gentlemen, Scottie Reynolds.

The Wildcats are gonna be big* this year


*BIG!^


^ BIG!!!!!!

A three-guard lineup with two undersized post players ... sounds like they are going to be small this year, not big. :D

Auburn? I'm confused. You're from Alabama, you love Auburn football, and you go to Nova? Am I close?

And YES! Scottie Reynolds, tear stuff up. And Bryan, small lineups work in college hoop. And hell, Jay Wright just pulled that stunt two years ago, and it got him within a win of the Final Four. I don't think they're THAT good, but Villanova will be back to the NCAAs....

[SoRight24]

I think I cursed us by forgetting them.

:lol :lol

Damn you, man. :twenty4

[UNC41]

I think I cursed us by forgetting them.

Sounds like Shumpert wanted a chance to play the point. There wasn't much of a chance of that happening with Frasor, Drew, Marshall and hopefully Lawson over the next couple years.

Auburn? I'm confused. You're from Alabama, you love Auburn football, and you go to Nova? Am I close?

And YES! Scottie Reynolds, tear stuff up. And Bryan, small lineups work in college hoop. And hell, Jay Wright just pulled that stunt two years ago, and it got him within a win of the Final Four. I don't think they're THAT good, but Villanova will be back to the NCAAs....

I know Wright had success a couple years ago with Foye, Ray, Nardi and Lowry. They lost to UNC on the Heels way to winning the National Championship. I was just making a joke on how he emphasized BIG when Nova will be playing small. And yeah, Reynolds is a stud, but they won't be as good as the '05 backcourt with two freshmen, albeit stud freshmen, getting heavy minutes.

[SoRight24]

Sounds like Shumpert wanted a chance to play the point. There wasn't much of a chance of that happening with Frasor, Drew, Marshall and hopefully Lawson over the next couple years.



I know Wright had success a couple years ago with Foye, Ray, Nardi and Lowry. They lost to UNC on the Heels way to winning the National Championship. I was just making a joke on how he emphasized BIG when Nova will be playing small. And yeah, Reynolds is a stud, but they won't be as good as the '05 backcourt with two freshmen, albeit stud freshmen, getting heavy minutes.

That was one of the most nerve racking games I have watched.

We ALMOST let that one slip away.

[UNC41]

That was one of the most nerve racking games I have watched.

We ALMOST let that one slip away.

I have a friend who still bitches about the Allen Ray traveling call. He, however, shuts up fairly quick when I mention the BS fouls that led to Felton fouling out. If Ray is in that game it doesn't end up as close as it did.

[GavMan33]

I have a friend who still bitches about the Allen Ray traveling call. He, however, shuts up fairly quick when I mention the BS fouls that led to Felton fouling out. If Ray is in that game it doesn't end up as close as it did.

"Allen Ray, drives to the basket, takes contact, AND ONE!!! Oh no! They're going to call a travel. Wow, I don't know about that one."

Not really sure why I wrote that, especially since it's not a quote. I will say this. It's very rare for a national champion to move through an entire NCAA Tournament bracket without playing some close games. The teams that handle those situations better win championships.

And I'll bring it up just because I know you'll agree with me if only because it's vs. Duke :lol

2004 Elite Eight, #7 Xavier vs. #1 Duke, South Region, Atlanta, Georgia: Xavier Center Anthony Myles, going against Shelden Williams, had 16 points in about 20 minutes. He had two bullshit foul calls called on him successively, one at 12:33, the other at 12:27. The second put him on the bench with 5 fouls. That, my friend, took out the best player on the floor that afternoon....

[SoRight24]

"Allen Ray, drives to the basket, takes contact, AND ONE!!! Oh no! They're going to call a travel. Wow, I don't know about that one."

Not really sure why I wrote that, especially since it's not a quote. I will say this. It's very rare for a national champion to move through an entire NCAA Tournament bracket without playing some close games. The teams that handle those situations better win championships.

And I'll bring it up just because I know you'll agree with me if only because it's vs. Duke :lol

2004 Elite Eight, #7 Xavier vs. #1 Duke, South Region, Atlanta, Georgia: Xavier Center Anthony Myles, going against Shelden Williams, had 16 points in about 20 minutes. He had two bullshit foul calls called on him successively, one at 12:33, the other at 12:27. The second put him on the bench with 5 fouls. That, my friend, took out the best player on the floor that afternoon....

You are exactly right, there is usually one CLOSE game that could go either way on the way to the National Championship.

After that game, I said something along the lines of "I'm glad we got our gut check game out of the way now".

I almost had a heart attack then though.

[GavMan33]

You are exactly right, there is usually one CLOSE game that could go either way on the way to the National Championship.

After that game, I said something along the lines of "I'm glad we got our gut check game out of the way now".

I almost had a heart attack then though.

Well here's the other side of it. There is a fair amount of luck that goes into a championship team, no matter how good your squad is. For instance, regardless of whether or not it was a travel, it very well could have been called And 1. And if it was, Carolina never gets a chance to play for the national championship. And there are other times where this is the case too.

What if Sumpter doesn't blow out his knee twice? What if Nova wins that game? Does Sean May and Company come back another year? So many different variables go into a championship, things beyond your control. You just have to try and minimize the effects of those variables, and take care of your business....

[UNC41]

UNC tops the preseason Coaches' Poll by the slimmest margin since the 1991-92 season. UCLA is just five points behind and Memphis eight. I cannot wait for this season to begin. I'm up for running the Ants poll again if people are interested ... preseason poll coming soon.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2007-10-26-poll-story_N.htm

[SoRight24]

UNC tops the preseason Coaches' Poll by the slimmest margin since the 1991-92 season. UCLA is just five points behind and Memphis eight. I cannot wait for this season to begin. I'm up for running the Ants poll again if people are interested ... preseason poll coming soon.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2007-10-26-poll-story_N.htm

Thats a nice shot of my boy Danny Green. :thumbsup

And I'm def up for getting the poll going again.

[thestand]

I'll definitely take 13. And for the record, Taj Porter will own all of your faces this year.

[waywayNCSU]

I think the Wolfpack are going to be in the top 15. Projected to finish 2nd or better in the ACC. Lookout, Tobacco Road.

[UNC41]

I think the Wolfpack are going to be in the top 15. Projected to finish 2nd or better in the ACC. Lookout, Tobacco Road.

They are 24th in the Coaches' Poll and the third highest ranked ACC team there. Also, the media picked NC. State to finish third in the ACC behind Duke and a unanimous No. 1 UNC.

NC. State's key is for that Farshooolds Drakhfsdalkjfsa guy to come close to filling Astur's role in the offense. If he does that they could easily be a top 15 team.

[bubba40]

#5 to start the year sounds about right. Although I have my doubts about UCLA and Memphis.

[waywayNCSU]

They are 24th in the Coaches' Poll and the third highest ranked ACC team there. Also, the media picked NC. State to finish third in the ACC behind Duke and a unanimous No. 1 UNC.

NC. State's key is for that Farshooolds Drakhfsdalkjfsa guy to come close to filling Astur's role in the offense. If he does that they could easily be a top 15 team.

Ahhh, word. 'Preciate that info. Duck Fuke.

Yeah. I'm excited for this season, for the first time in a while.

[seekupig]

rock, chalk.... :multi

i'll take #4.... should be a good year if Rush returns to form after his knee surgery...

[darbini]

It's weird how both teams that played for the NC last year aren't ranked in the top 25. Of course they lost some players, but look at the super-sophomore Gator team, they started the season unranked and won it all, then won it the next year. Both teams should be in the top 25 IMO

[willthethrill]

Ahhh, word. 'Preciate that info. Duck Fuke.

Yeah. I'm excited for this season, for the first time in a while.

Yup, all State needs is a point guard and a little bench production. It's gonna be a good year for NC basketball. Except for that one Wake.

Definitely gonna do the poll again Bryan.

[SoRight24]

It's weird how both teams that played for the NC last year aren't ranked in the top 25. Of course they lost some players, but look at the super-sophomore Gator team, they started the season unranked and won it all, then won it the next year. Both teams should be in the top 25 IMO

Why?

They lost everybody and have a bunch of unproven players.

[GavMan33]

Seems like the Top 25 looks pretty solid, I really don't have any problems with it, everything seems about where it should be. And Xavier at #33 is right about on the money; I was thinking somewhere in the range of #35-#40. Not too bad.

Bryan, great hit on the polls. I'm in :thumbsup

[neumdogg]

Number 18 is fantastic. Nice to be ranked in something other than football.

BOW DOWN TO OJ MAYO!!!

[willthethrill]

Number 18 is fantastic. Nice to be ranked in something other than football.

BOW DOWN TO OJ MAYO!!!

We shall see what the young one can do....

[UNC41]

Sounds like there's interest in the poll again. I'll get something together once the World Series is over.

[GavMan33]

Sounds like there's interest in the poll again. I'll get something together once the World Series is over.

Take your time with it man, no rush. We appreciate it :thumbsup

[dreamingtreeIU]

#9 ... ill take it

[SmoothD41]

#9 ... ill take it

:thumbsup

figured we'd be anywhere from 7-9. Season can't start soon enough.

[justinandimcool]

#18. Not bad.

And fuck OJ Mayo, this team needs to be a presence inside. Badly.

[neumdogg]

#18. Not bad.

And fuck OJ Mayo, this team needs to be a presence inside. Badly.
Fuck the man that is taking us to the Final Four?

Confused:ugh

[justinandimcool]

Fuck the man that is taking us to the Final Four?

Confused:ugh

No one guy, especially a guard, has ever single-handedly taken a team to the Final Four.

I know he's great, but hopefully coach can turn him into more of a Lebron than a Kobe. We've got the pieces, we just have to see how good he is a making plays and finishing plays distributed to him. Especially in this tough Pac-10 where teams are loaded defensively.

[GavMan33]

No one guy, especially a guard, has ever single-handedly taken a team to the Final Four.

I know he's great, but hopefully coach can turn him into more of a Lebron than a Kobe. We've got the pieces, we just have to see how good he is a making plays and finishing plays distributed to him. Especially in this tough Pac-10 where teams are loaded defensively.

:rolleyes What?

Are you telling me that you would classify Craig Forth as a "beast"? Syracuse was taken to a national championship, not by Craig Forth.

[justinandimcool]

You think Final Fours and Championships are won by one player, Bob?

[bothedmbfan]

SIU is in the top 25...wow.

[GavMan33]

You think Final Fours and Championships are won by one player, Bob?

Ouch, sir.

Touche. But Carmelo and McNamara were by far the best players on that squad, both frosh....

That said, of course I don't think that. You know me better than that....

And to be fair, Craig Forth was a huge part of that team. He was a starter as a frosh, but averaged probably about 4 ppg for his career. But ask Gerry McNamara how he got open. The entire offense ran through screens set by Forth. Not to mention a wall on the interior of the 1-3-1 zone.

[GavMan33]

So I know this isn't quite NCAA-related, but it is hoop related. To give a little background, Michael Ray Richardson is the former coach of the Albany Patroons, of the CBA. For those who don't know, he played for the Knicks back in the 80s, before seeing his career go up in flames due to drugs. Anyway, he had quite a rough tenure here in Albany to say the least. He was fired at the end of last season. In fact, when Albany made the CBA Championship Series, he was suspended from the series for reasons you're going to read.

I'm interested as to what you all think of this article, written by a columnist from the Albany Times Union.

ALBANY -- When Micheal Ray Richardson refused to shake an opposing coach's hand after defeat, he was hypercompetitive. When he made a trade without telling the general manager first, he was a character, Maverick Ray. When he left the Patroons for two games to instruct at an NBA fantasy camp, it was just Micheal Ray being Micheal Ray. When he picked up more Ts than you'll see in a month of "Wheel of Fortune" shows, he was a cannon so loose you couldn't help but watch for the next explosion.
But when Richardson told a fan who heckled him early Tuesday night to "Shut the f--- up," and when near game's end he shouted at another heckler, "Shut the f--- up, you faggot," you wondered how this guy keeps his job.
The answer: The general manager, Jim Coyne, is his friend and enabler. Coyne said he didn't intend to speak to Richardson about his conduct. "He's an adult and he should know better," Coyne said. "He knows if he's acting appropriately or inappropriately."
Oh, really?
After straddling the line between eccentrism and the outer limits of acceptable behavior, Richardson fell and tripped the wire a public figure can never cross. In addition to his slur against homosexuals and verbal beatdown of two fans during the game, Richardson made bigoted comments about Jews in an interview with the Times Union before it.
"We will not tolerate and the league will not tolerate bigots to perform in our league," Patroons owner Ben Fernandez said after huddling Tuesday night with Coyne, CBA director of operations Dennis Truax and Patroons director of security, Bill O'Brien.
After reviewing the incidents, Fernandez said, Richardson could be suspended or fired.
Richardson should be suspended for the rest of the CBA championship series, effective immediately. Because if an alleged leader insults fans, Jews and homosexuals and it goes unpunished, it insults us all.
It started with an offcolor quip Richardson made in his office to two reporters when discussing the contract Coyne had offered him Monday to coach his USBL team.
"I've got big-time lawyers," Richardson said. "I've got big-time Jew lawyers."
It was an inappropriate quip in this setting, but no harm, no foul.
When told, however, that such an offhand remark might offend people because it plays to the stereotype that Jews are crafty and shrewd, Richardson replied: "Are you kidding me? They are. They've got the best security system in the world. Have you ever been to an airport in Tel Aviv? They're real crafty. Listen, they are hated all over the world, so they've got to be crafty."
Why are they hated? he was asked.
"They know that in this country the Jews are running it if you really think about it," Richardson said. "I mean, which is not a bad thing, you know what I mean?"
"How are they running it?" he was asked.
"They got a lot of power in this world, you know what I mean?" he said. "Which I think is great. I don't think there's nothing wrong with it. If you look in most professional sports, they're run by Jewish people. If you look at a lot of most successful corporations and stuff, more businesses, they're run by Jewish. It's not a knock, but they are some crafty people."
To try to help Richardson understand how such comments could be hurtful to Jews, I told him it was analogous to asking a black person to visit because there's fresh watermelon in the refrigerator.
Told his comments were bigoted, he backtracked and said, "It's just a figure of speech, just like when they call us ... 'nigger.' When they call us 'nigger' I don't get offended, because most of the people who say the word 'nigger' don't know the definition. If they knew the definition they wouldn't say it."
Richardson also said his second wife, from whom he's divorced, is Jewish.
Told of Richardson's prejudiced remarks about Jews, Coyne said if "he knew that it would offend somebody, I don't think that he would say it," and that he wouldn't make Richardson issue a public apology.
"If an apology is necessary that can certainly come," he said. "That is Micheal's decision."
When I saw Richardson 15 minutes after our pregame conversation, he smiled, waved and said, "I hope I didn't offend you."
If Richardson's anywhere near the coach's chair tonight, we should all be offended.

EDIT: Apologies to mods and whoever else for any questionable language in this post.

[thestand]

:lol Oh Richardson. That was fun when it happened. I think it caused an awkward moment on WNYT between Kulbida and whoever the sports guy was that night, because they attempted to discuss it after the video was shown, and it became too awkward.

[GavMan33]

:lol Oh Richardson. That was fun when it happened. I think it caused an awkward moment on WNYT between Kulbida and whoever the sports guy was that night, because they attempted to discuss it after the video was shown, and it became too awkward.

:lol Look at this, an Albany boy apparently. Roger Wyland is the worst man. What a jerkoff.

I know what Richardson did was wrong, and he deserved to be fired. But my problem is with how this story was written. Look at the different words he's using, even in quotes. In my opinion, that's not a way to tell a story in the newspaper. This columnist is a tool anyway, but this story really confirmed it for me.

[UNC41]

Alright boys, it's time for the Ants preseason poll. Let's see if you are all as smart as the coaches heading into the 2007-08 college basketball season. PM me your Top 25 by noon Central on Wednesday and I will put them together.

[seekupig]

No one guy, especially a guard, has ever single-handedly taken a team to the Final Four.


Danny Manning, 1988 :D

[SoRight24]

Danny Manning, 1988 :D

Manning would have been at UNC had Kansas not hired his father to be an assistant coach. :twenty4

:lol

[GavMan33]

Danny Manning, 1988 :D

Former Xavier assistant Monte Mathis was a walk-on for the 86 Final Four Jayhawk squad....

[willthethrill]

Alright boys, it's time for the Ants preseason poll. Let's see if you are all as smart as the coaches heading into the 2007-08 college basketball season. PM me your Top 25 by noon Central on Wednesday and I will put them together.

Sweet! Will do ASAP. I'd like to put $10 on UNC being voted #1.

[CrashDMB237]

I was at Big East media day last week and I'm doing a three part, once a week thing on the Big East. Here's my first part:

http://www.spmsportspage.com/published/spmfeatures/big-men-put-to-test-in-bi.shtml

[SoRight24]

I was at Big East media day last week and I'm doing a three part, once a week thing on the Big East. Here's my first part:

http://www.spmsportspage.com/published/spmfeatures/big-men-put-to-test-in-bi.shtml

Very nice man.

Good work. :thumbsup

[UNC41]

Polls by noon tomorrow or it's just me and Bob representing.

[SoRight24]

I'll get mine in this afternoon.

[GavMan33]

Polls by noon tomorrow or it's just me and Bob representing.

I bet we both have Carolina #1 :lol

[GavMan33]

I was at Big East media day last week and I'm doing a three part, once a week thing on the Big East. Here's my first part:

http://www.spmsportspage.com/published/spmfeatures/big-men-put-to-test-in-bi.shtml

Good read man. You work for some bigtime publication?

[UNC41]

I bet we both have Carolina #1 :lol

And with Travis and Wilson planning to submit polls I think we know who will probably start the year on top. The bigger question is will it be unanimious.

[willthethrill]

And with Travis and Wilson planning to submit polls I think we know who will probably start the year on top. The bigger question is will it be unanimious.

We'll see if Dustin can be the only non-homer. Well, besides Bob.

[OneSwtWld34]

Fuck the man that is taking us to the Final Four?

Confused:ugh

I put some money on USC to win it all... 18/1 odds. I'm also looking to throw some money on a few other teams that are "long shots" but have a legitimate chance of winning it all.

[SoRight24]

I put some money on USC to win it all... 18/1 odds. I'm also looking to throw some money on a few other teams that are "long shots" but have a legitimate chance of winning it all.

Oregon. :thumbsup

[GavMan33]

I put some money on USC to win it all... 18/1 odds. I'm also looking to throw some money on a few other teams that are "long shots" but have a legitimate chance of winning it all.

Xavier? :rolleyes

Out of curiosity, does Xavier even have odds? I wouldn't even know where to look for that :lol

[SoRight24]

Xavier? :rolleyes

Out of curiosity, does Xavier even have odds? I wouldn't even know where to look for that :lol

:lol :lol

I'm sorry, Bob.

[SmoothD41]

I'll try this poll thing this season...i submitted mine, UNC #1.

Also, I look forward to defending my ESPN tournament pick'em title in March.

[GavMan33]

:lol :lol

I'm sorry, Bob.

So I gotta say Travis. I'm a Bills fan, so are a bunch of my friends. So Sunday night I get a text message from my buddy, during the Red Sox game. "Goddamn Red Sox. At least the Bills have a strangle-hold on second place." Funniest thing I've ever read in my life :lol

I'm saying, I will keep preaching it. Xavier Basketball really is not THAT far away from a Final Four. It will take a bit more luck than it would for some of the bigger schools, but it's definitely not out of the realm of possibility. I'm saying, last year could have easily been an Elite Eight year. I don't think last year was a Final Four year, but Elite Eight absolutely. It'll matter a bit what kind of path there is as well.

We got a bad hit in that we were to play the #1 seed in the second round last season. But the blessing was it was Ohio State, an in-state team. I do think that played a factor in how huge a game it was for Xavier, and they played inspired.

In 2006, we got in via the A10 Tourney title, got a 14-seed, horrible right? Yeah, to play a #3 in the first round is not good. But that #3 was a great matchup for us, in Gonzaga. And we proved it, leading the entire game, until we gave it away at the end. Playing Indiana in the second round is another winnable game, and all of a sudden we're a Sweet 16 team, ripe to be pounded by UCLA :lol

In 2004, Xavier entered the tournament one of the hottest teams in the country; after starting the year 10-9, we lost only 2 games the rest of the season. Beating a 10-seed Louisville Rick Pitino team, a 2-seed that had beaten us in the regular season (MS. St.), and a 3-seed in Texas who was trying to get back to the Final Four. A couple of calls that could have (should have) gone the other way, and we beat #1 Duke, and go to the Final Four.

I'm telling you. Not too far away. I think that's a goal of the Xavier team; and when you're talking about goals, you talk about goals that are attainable. I'm here to tell you, it's attainable.

Sorry for boring you :lol

[GavMan33]

I'll try this poll thing this season...i submitted mine, UNC #1.

Also, I look forward to defending my ESPN tournament pick'em title in March.

:thumbsup There you go. Good hit on the ESPN thing.

Sorry for banging out your Hoosiers in my big long post, but they weren't that good in 06. Really looking forward to Xavier/IU in a few weeks. SO psyched that IU is ranked so high; great RPI game for both schools :thumbsup

[SmoothD41]

:thumbsup There you go. Good hit on the ESPN thing.

Sorry for banging out your Hoosiers in my big long post, but they weren't that good in 06. Really looking forward to Xavier/IU in a few weeks. SO psyched that IU is ranked so high; great RPI game for both schools :thumbsup

amen brother, season can't come soon enough.

Don't worry about trashing the 05-06 Hoosiers, they were lame as hell.

[justinandimcool]

Are we voting on preseason polls?

[willthethrill]

Are we voting on preseason polls?

We're submitting to Bryan by 12 central tomorrow.

Bob, you didn't bore. ;) Xavier will get theirs.

[justinandimcool]

We're submitting to Bryan by 12 central tomorrow.

Bob, you didn't bore. ;) Xavier will get theirs.


Ah, I'll hold off on this one. I don't wanna vote until I actually see teams play :lol

[willthethrill]

Ah, I'll hold off on this one. I don't wanna vote until I actually see teams play :lol

NO!? We have to overhype and overanalyze everything with baseless opinions until we convince everyone we're correct and that the poll won't change all year, right? Why do they even play the games?

(at least that's what the media do)

[mizzoudmbfan]

My pre-season favorite, the Wisconsin Badgers.

One reason:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TajSyEm-Qg

[justinandimcool]

NO!? We have to overhype and overanalyze everything with baseless opinions until we convince everyone we're correct and that the poll won't change all year, right? Why do they even play the games?

(at least that's what the media do)



:lol Alright, alright, I'll give it a try.

[GavMan33]

We're submitting to Bryan by 12 central tomorrow.

Bob, you didn't bore. ;) Xavier will get theirs.

:D :thumbsup Fuckin right kid....

"We got five really big months ahead of us.....It's hoop season kid!"
"You sandbaggin son of a bitch!"
"I got us signed up for 22ish Top 25 polls already."
"Great, now how many weeks is Xavier ranked in the Top 25?"
"Great question, love where your head's at, and 10 of them they actually are. BUT, I got you covered....you heard it here first, so you can plan accordingly."
"Ah, perfect."
"We are gonna have tons and tons of teams, that are so aroused by the thought of an NCAA Tourney berth, that they'll throw everything they have into it!"
"And guess who's gonna be there to pick 'em?"
"Grab that bracket and start doing your research now pal. What do you like better, summer or hoop season?"
(Bob raises his hand)
"Bob."
"Uh, yes, the answer would be, uh, hoop season."
(pumps his fists uncontrollably)

[justinandimcool]

I feel so smart after reading all this :lol

http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/blog/marchmadness/2007/10/2007-2008-college-basketball-preview.html

[SoRight24]

I was over on a UCLA message board today and I got into quite a few arguments. :lol

They really don't like UNC over there, or any east coast team for that matter. ;)

[justinandimcool]

I was over on a UCLA message board today and I got into quite a few arguments. :lol

They really don't like UNC over there, or any east coast team for that matter. ;)

:rolleyes Bruins fans. They all really hate Florida for some odd reason.

[willthethrill]

I was over on a UCLA message board today and I got into quite a few arguments. :lol

They really don't like UNC over there, or any east coast team for that matter. ;)

Atta boy.

[SoRight24]

Atta boy.

:thumbsup :thumbsup

[HolyCow]

Well, it's time to think about basketball a little.

I talked to an OU assistant and he said freshman Blake Griffin looked like a top 5 NBA pick in the team's first two weeks of practice.

Just sayin'.

[justinandimcool]

He's their new forward right? How tall is he?

[seekupig]

I was over on a UCLA message board today and I got into quite a few arguments. :lol

They really don't like UNC over there, or any east coast team for that matter. ;)

did you ask them how they enjoyed being a #2 seed and being able to play a home game vs. the #1 seed in the tourney last year? fucking assholes... :BANG

[seekupig]

got my poll in..... :thumbsup

[OneSwtWld34]

Oregon. :thumbsup

Oregon is 30-1

Xavier? :rolleyes
Out of curiosity, does Xavier even have odds? I wouldn't even know where to look for that :lol

Xavier is 50-1

I could tell you where I got the odds, but then I'd have to kill you! :D

[GavMan33]

did you ask them how they enjoyed being a #2 seed and being able to play a home game vs. the #1 seed in the tourney last year? fucking assholes... :BANG

Oregon is 30-1



Xavier is 50-1

I could tell you where I got the odds, but then I'd have to kill you! :D

Oh Dustin :lol

50-1 huh? Wow, I woulda thought it was a lot worse than that :lol

[UNC41]

got my poll in..... :thumbsup

You listed USC twice, so I bumped everyone up one from their second listing. If you get a chance before noon just post which other team you'd like included and I'll slot them 25th.

[GavMan33]

You listed USC twice, so I bumped everyone up one from their second listing. If you get a chance before noon just post which other team you'd like included and I'll slot them 25th.

Hey Dustin.....Put Xavier in at #25 :lol

[UNC41]

Hey Dustin.....Put Xavier in at #25 :lol

You want him to move them down? :)

[GavMan33]

You want him to move them down? :)

:lol Ahhh. I see you Dustin ;)

[SoRight24]

did you ask them how they enjoyed being a #2 seed and being able to play a home game vs. the #1 seed in the tourney last year? fucking assholes... :BANG

They were complaining how ridiculous it was that they weren't ranked #1. They blamed the "east coast bias" for UNC being #1. I proceeded to tell them that we are actually planning on fielding a decent team this year in Chapel Hill.

But they would have none of it. They said they can't wait to play us in the tournament and "destroy" us. :lol