Preseason NCAA Basketball Poll is released

[gbs3769]

All I can say is wow.

- Primo

[seekupig]

All I can say is wow.

- Primo

tough loss to South Florida puts you guys at 6-6 in the Big East. next three games are vs. Georgetown, @ Louisville, and @ Notre Dame. it's going to be a tough stretch.... but for obvious reasons i'd be happy to not have to face 'Cuse in the tourney..... bastards. :lol

[GavMan33]

All I can say is wow.

- Primo

Primo, welcome back. You know my hatred for the Orangemen. Lucky for you though, this isn't a missed opportunity. It's definitely a game you should have won, and definitely a bad loss. But I have said coming into the last 6, 7, 8 games of the Big East schedule, that Syracuse, to me, is squarely on the bubble. They were going to have the chance to play themselves in or out of the NCAAs. This game wasn't one of the big ones. If they can get these GTown, Lville, ND games, they're right back in it. This one is a bad loss, but not a crippling one....

[HolyCow]

Decent win over Iowa State last night. Keeps our hopes alive.

[clayj41]

Don't know if any of you watch NASCAR, but Jimmy Spencer just compared UNC basketball to Joe Gibbs Racing.:lol


Sorry I enjoyed it...they're my two favorite teams.

[gbs3769]

but for obvious reasons i'd be happy to not have to face 'Cuse in the tourney..... bastards. :lol
You won't have to worry about it. We might be able to make the NIT, but at this point that would be a stretch.

- Primo

[gbs3769]

This one is a bad loss, but not a crippling one....
I agree. The problem, though, is the fact that we couldn't close out either Georgetown or Connecticut. If we would have been able to actually close out those games, I would have no concerns about the loss to South Florida. At this point, though, I really don't think we are going to be able to make the tournament.

- Primo

[GavMan33]

I agree. The problem, though, is the fact that we couldn't close out either Georgetown or Connecticut. If we would have been able to actually close out those games, I would have no concerns about the loss to South Florida. At this point, though, I really don't think we are going to be able to make the tournament.

- Primo

I agree Primo. At this point, Syracuse is OUT. But they still have those opportunities to play their way in. If their schedule consisted of St. John's, Seton Hall, South Florida, Cincinnati, etc. left, then I'd say they're done, barring a deep run in the Big East Tourney. But they still have big games left on the schedule. I was at Georgetown/Syracuse in DC several weeks ago, that was a sweet game....

EDIT: And in terms of bubble teams, Syracuse is in much better shape than a team like Kentucky is....

[justinandimcool]

Don't look now, but Arizona is struggling against Cal. A loss here and another against Stanford on Saturday, it's bubbleland for the Wildcats, and we could find ourselves another Pac-10 threat in the Golden Bears.

[justinandimcool]

So Arizona just went on a 7-0 run, but I know a team that isn't playing up to its potential when I see one. They aren't very good at the moment.

[justinandimcool]

Arizona and Arizona State have a pulse.

Good lord did Stanford blow that.

[gbs3769]

I agree Primo. At this point, Syracuse is OUT. But they still have those opportunities to play their way in. If their schedule consisted of St. John's, Seton Hall, South Florida, Cincinnati, etc. left, then I'd say they're done, barring a deep run in the Big East Tourney. But they still have big games left on the schedule. I was at Georgetown/Syracuse in DC several weeks ago, that was a sweet game....

EDIT: And in terms of bubble teams, Syracuse is in much better shape than a team like Kentucky is....
That Syracuse/Georgetown game was great. I was so disappointed with the outcome. My problem is that we won't play well enough against most of the teams that we have left to do us any good. I can see us playing a good game against Georgetown but other than that, I doubt we will do anything.

- Primo

[seekupig]

i just read on another board that Tennessee is scheduled to play @ Lawrence, KS next season. anyone know of a site that lists future opponents, home & home contracts, and preseason tourneys? i looked but couldn't find anything for Kansas..... thanks.

[willthethrill]

tough loss to South Florida puts you guys at 6-6 in the Big East. next three games are vs. Georgetown, @ Louisville, and @ Notre Dame. it's going to be a tough stretch.... but for obvious reasons i'd be happy to not have to face 'Cuse in the tourney..... bastards. :lol
That game was on ESPN Classic the other day. I kept yelling "Hit a damn free throw!" Such a good game though.

i just read on another board that Tennessee is scheduled to play @ Lawrence, KS next season. anyone know of a site that lists future opponents, home & home contracts, and preseason tourneys? i looked but couldn't find anything for Kansas..... thanks.
I know Inside Carolina puts a lot of the teams on the football schedule and what years we'll be playing (like starting a series with UT next year), but I don't know of a general site that has everybody's.

EDIT: Going on a Pearl Jam kick lately?

[seekupig]

EDIT: Going on a Pearl Jam kick lately?

have been a diehard fan since 91, just listened to some of my 2000 European bootlegs a few days ago and decided to change my sig up a bit... :lol

[seekupig]

updated bracketology is out.....

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

Kansas still a 1 seed, but they moved them out West where the 2 seed is.... UCLA. i'll be PISSED if they get screwed two years in a row. :BANG

[clayj41]

Looks like Sampson has bought himself a week. McRobbie just announced a one week internal investigation at which point a decision will be made about Sampson's future.

[willthethrill]

have been a diehard fan since 91, just listened to some of my 2000 European bootlegs a few days ago and decided to change my sig up a bit... :lol
Is your avatar sig a reference too? I'm freaking obsessed with that song.

Looks like Sampson has bought himself a week. McRobbie just announced a one week internal investigation at which point a decision will be made about Sampson's future.
In other words, buhbye. I don't see how you can keep him on staff.

[clayj41]

updated bracketology is out.....

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

Kansas still a 1 seed, but they moved them out West where the 2 seed is.... UCLA. i'll be PISSED if they get screwed two years in a row. :BANG

Based on that UNC has a potential second round game with USC, not to mention a hot UConn team, a great defensive and perimeter shooting team in Wisconsin, and another great outside shooting team in Tennessee. Let's work on that perimeter D Roy!

[seekupig]

just heard a rumor that Lawson & Thompson are out tomorrow and Green has the flu and is questionable. i refuse to sign up on a Tar Heel message board, so maybe one of you Tarholes can look into it.

[seekupig]

Is your avatar sig a reference too? I'm freaking obsessed with that song.

yeah... my favorite PJ song. finally got to see it open a show when i went to DC two years ago... might be the best show i've been to by any band... ever.:thumbsup

[clayj41]

In other words, buhbye. I don't see how you can keep him on staff.

Agreed, but legally speaking they are going about it the right way. If they don't have some sort of internal investigation they risk Sampson coming back at them with a wrongful termination suit later on.

[clayj41]

just heard a rumor that Lawson & Thompson are out tomorrow and Green has the flu and is questionable. i refuse to sign up on a Tar Heel message board, so maybe one of you Tarholes can look into it.

If so, we are the unluckiest team in the country.

[willthethrill]

According to this, you're right Dustin.

http://northcarolina.scout.com/2/729387.html

So that means 7 of the 9 players who actually play for UNC have injuries. WHAT. THE. HELL.

[clayj41]

According to this, you're right Dustin.

http://northcarolina.scout.com/2/729387.html

So that means 7 of the 9 players who actually play for UNC have injuries. WHAT. THE. HELL.

:lorraine :lorraine :lorraine

Better now than tournament time I guess.:shrug

[willthethrill]

No kiddin', but jeez, this is getting ridiculous!

[GavMan33]

In terms of publicly releasing a nonconference schedule, that's probably not going to happen. I know some games can be leaked, such as I heard from one of my buddy's that University of Toledo will be playing at Xavier next year. Also, you can figure from past contracts; I know based on these contracts that Xavier will be playing in the Little Apple next season @ Kansas St., returning the game next year @ Virginia, Auburn will come to Cintas Center. Xavier is also starting an agreement with Southern Illinois to play home-and-home. The Tennessee game from this year was a makeup game from a contract made up several years ago, and then Bruce Pearl pulled out of the return gamee to Xavier when he became head coach, so the Tennessee series is over. The Arizona State series is over. The Creighton series is over.

But as for a released nonconference schedule, that's probably not out there because the games in terms of dates and such aren't set. But it is by all means possible, and if you heard most likely probable, that we will have a Tennessee vs. Kansas game next season. And in that case, it will be a treat to watch :thumbsup

[seekupig]

In terms of publicly releasing a nonconference schedule, that's probably not going to happen. I know some games can be leaked, such as I heard from one of my buddy's that University of Toledo will be playing at Xavier next year. Also, you can figure from past contracts; I know based on these contracts that Xavier will be playing in the Little Apple next season @ Kansas St., returning the game next year @ Virginia, Auburn will come to Cintas Center. Xavier is also starting an agreement with Southern Illinois to play home-and-home. The Tennessee game from this year was a makeup game from a contract made up several years ago, and then Bruce Pearl pulled out of the return gamee to Xavier when he became head coach, so the Tennessee series is over. The Arizona State series is over. The Creighton series is over.

But as for a released nonconference schedule, that's probably not out there because the games in terms of dates and such aren't set. But it is by all means possible, and if you heard most likely probable, that we will have a Tennessee vs. Kansas game next season. And in that case, it will be a treat to watch :thumbsup

a lot of sports will release the matchups before the dates come out.... i knew before dates were set this past fall that KU would be playing at USF in football next season.... the NFL schedule is out for 5 years ahead, just without dates. that being said, the two games i've heard for KU next year are...

vs. Tennessee
@ Michigan St.

now we just have to see who's leaving for the NBA early and i'll have something to look forward to.... my guess is Rush and Arthur are gone along with Robinson and Kaun graduating. it'll be interesting...

[GavMan33]

a lot of sports will release the matchups before the dates come out.... i knew before dates were set this past fall that KU would be playing at USF in football next season.... the NFL schedule is out for 5 years ahead, just without dates. that being said, the two games i've heard for KU next year are...

vs. Tennessee
@ Michigan St.

now we just have to see who's leaving for the NBA early and i'll have something to look forward to.... my guess is Rush and Arthur are gone along with Robinson and Kaun graduating. it'll be interesting...

College football schedules you'll be able to find several years out. You can probably find the schedule (at least nonconference) for KU football for the next 2 or 3 seasons. I know you can find Notre Dame's schedule several years out, but they aren't in a conference, so maybe it's different for them. And no, I'm not fluent enough in college football to debate whether ND should be in a conference or not, so don't ask :lol

@ Michigan State's a good one too. I gotta tell you, in terms of Tennessee. And I don't know what their schedule is for next year, except the apparent game with Kansas. But this season, their nonconference was extremely tough, it truly battle-tested them, as you can see now. I hate the SEC with a passion, and I don't particularly like Bruce Pearl, but I have to respect his scheduling. With the exception of the Xavier game, he scheduled all of those tough games. +1 Tennessee :thumbsup

[willthethrill]

Got this from the Inside Carolina schedule section.

NOTE: In 2008-09, UNC will play in the Maui Invitational on Nov. 24-26. Other participants in the tournament are Alabama, Indiana, Notre Dame, Oregon, Saint Joseph's, Texas and Chaminade. The Tar Heels will open the season playing at Cal-Santa Barbara on the way out to Maui. UNC will also continue its annual series with Kentucky, is scheduled to host Arizona and will play Valparaiso at the United Center.

Not too many names in there, but there's a hint of what the schedule will be like.

[willthethrill]

THIS is the kind of game we should have been playing all ACC play. Defense baby, it feels great.

[willthethrill]

QUUUUUUUUUUU!!!! Quentin Thomas just janked in somebody's mug!

[JamesM]

UAB > Memphis

Calling it

[willthethrill]

Wow, can't believe UCONN won that game.

Way to go Syracuse, that might have punched their ticket as long as they take care of bidness from here on out.

UNC is playing like the #1 team in the country right now.

[RJ2kWJ]

Wow congrats to Syracuse. Huge win.

[smeritt]

There is nothing more I hate than inconsistent officiating. Barely any whistles the first half and now both teams are in the bonus with 8 minutes left. This is unbelievable

[whygohome?]

Georgia played a hell of a game against Tennesee. Lofton was just too much in the 2nd half.

[justinandimcool]

There is nothing more I hate than inconsistent officiating. Barely any whistles the first half and now both teams are in the bonus with 8 minutes left. This is unbelievable

:thumbsup Ridiculous. Hopefully they let them play the last few minutes. Whistles on every possession it seems.


Bayless did his part, Budinger has to close it out here.

Edit: Mclellan will do :lol

[justinandimcool]

Chase Budinger shows how it's done. That bastard.

[justinandimcool]

Man, I love the Lopez twins. Good sequence at the end, for Stanford at least.

[smeritt]

Man, I love the Lopez twins. Good sequence at the end, for Stanford at least.Man, I love when refs hand a team the game. Clean block unbelievable.

[UNLTrpt]

talk about a choke job...ugh

[HolyCow]

WOOOOOOOOOOO! What a freaking shot!

[whygohome?]

is anyone else watching this texas/baylor game??? its fucking insane! down 12 with 2 minutes to go and now its a 2 pt texas lead with 50 seconds.

[whygohome?]

1 pt texas lead with 28 secs, baylor player goes chris webber and calls TO with no TO's left!! what an idiot! what a game!

[whygohome?]

damn what a game.

[RJ2kWJ]

Anyone watch that ODU/VCU game? Hell of a game but I personally think that was a foul to end the game. Good to see the local mid major win up in Richmond though.

[justinandimcool]

^ I saw it. I like the no call at the end, mainly because I didn't see a foul :lol (I didn't see the replays because I switched to ESPN the second it ended waiting for Memphis updates). But that Johnson guy for ODU, absolutely cold-hearted. Good win for them.

Can't believe UAB blew a 7 point lead with a minute left.



Indiana's showing alot of character, playing DAMN well with not only this Sampson thing, but DJ White going down. Good for them.

[justinandimcool]

Daniel Hackett will be out against UCLA tomorrow, and could miss the rest of the season. I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing- he's a good guard and a solid shooter, but lately he's been anything but a leader, and he lacks heart. Hopefully Angelo Johnson fills the void efficiently.

[ousooner]

We get it Vitale, now shut the ef up. Kelvin is obviously a dumbass, but why is Vitale working so hard to get him pushed out at Indiana? Is he secretly working for Knight hoping to help him get the job? He ruined that game and almost made it unwatchable. Damn!

[SmoothD41]

We get it Vitale, now shut the ef up. Kelvin is obviously a dumbass, but why is Vitale working so hard to get him pushed out at Indiana? Is he secretly working for Knight hoping to help him get the job? He ruined that game and almost made it unwatchable. Damn!

oh, that game was very, VERY watchable :)

[kydmb99]

Wow, I HATE Indiana, I mean I am a UK fan, but even I couldn't help but almost feel proud of those kids. To play like that with all of this bullshit going on, well done. :thumbsup

Also, I wish Kelvin Sampson would just step down. Do that program, and HIS PLAYERS a favor, and just let them move on. It's going to be a total fiasco any time this guy coaches.

[willthethrill]

The day in summation:

UNC goes nasty on VT
Beasley goes off on Mizzou for 40!
Arizona gets robbed by the refs
Indiana plays inspired in the face of adversity
Somehow, Memphis wins again
'Cuse improves their NCAA resume
UCONN wins improbably in OT
Purdue wins its 11th straight!
Texas A&M continues to perplex in conference

[kydmb99]

The day in summation:

UNC goes nasty on VT
Beasley goes off on Mizzou for 40!
Arizona gets robbed by the refs
Indiana plays inspired in the face of adversity
Somehow, Memphis wins again
'Cuse improves their NCAA resume
UCONN wins improbably in OT
Purdue wins its 11th straight!
Texas A&M continues to perplex in conference

I'm sorry, but I think given a few years, Mark Turgeon will destroy what Billy Gillispie built.

[smeritt]

The day in summation:

UNC goes nasty on VT
Beasley goes off on Mizzou for 40!
Arizona gets robbed by the refs
Indiana plays inspired in the face of adversity
Somehow, Memphis wins again
'Cuse improves their NCAA resume
UCONN wins improbably in OT
Purdue wins its 11th straight!
Texas A&M continues to perplex in conference
GRRRRRRRR. Its ok ASU lost to Cal thank god.

[willthethrill]

I'm sorry, but I think given a few years, Mark Turgeon will destroy what Billy Gillispie built.
Wow, really? I think it's a bit early to tell.

[willthethrill]

Oh, and Dwight Howard won the dunk contest without actually dunking the ball. How does that happen?

[kydmb99]

Wow, really? I think it's a bit early to tell.

Hey, I could be wrong, but watching that team this year.... They just look soft. Last year, watching them I was just like damn this team is tough, now they just look they've gotten pampered too much or something. I mean I think Gillispie left that program in such good shape it will take some time, but I do think Turgeon will bring it down. Also, a program like Texas A&M can NOT underachieve if it wants to be sucessful. There's no reason this team can't be a top 10 team, instead they're just kind of floundering around, underachieving, and at a program with no tradition and a history of losing, that's not a good thing at all to be happening for the future.

[clayj41]

THIS is the kind of game we should have been playing all ACC play. Defense baby, it feels great.

:thumbsup I was at my buddy's sister's basketball regional all day, but I DVRed the game and even though I've already seen the highlights, I'm pumped to watch an ass kicking.:D

[unccrombie]

Oh, and Dwight Howard won the dunk contest without actually dunking the ball. How does that happen?
its the nba

[JamesM]

UAB > Memphis

Calling it
:lorraine:lorraine:lorraine:lorraine

Would of been the call of the decade

[unccrombie]

:lorraine:lorraine:lorraine:lorraine

Would of been the call of the decade
most analysts we're calling it, i still don't buy the memphis hype

[Mustang1]

Hey, I could be wrong, but watching that team this year.... They just look soft. Last year, watching them I was just like damn this team is tough, now they just look they've gotten pampered too much or something. I mean I think Gillispie left that program in such good shape it will take some time, but I do think Turgeon will bring it down. Also, a program like Texas A&M can NOT underachieve if it wants to be sucessful. There's no reason this team can't be a top 10 team, instead they're just kind of floundering around, underachieving, and at a program with no tradition and a history of losing, that's not a good thing at all to be happening for the future.

A&M is 20-5 so it's not the end of the world for them. I don't think they look soft either (the OSU game is an exception) because they have outrebounded their opponents in nearly every game. They beat Texas by 17 a few weeks ago & the rematch is Monday night so we'll see how they react.

[RJ2kWJ]

Well Wake came out on fire.

[chiznaz]

Hey, I could be wrong, but watching that team this year.... They just look soft. Last year, watching them I was just like damn this team is tough, now they just look they've gotten pampered too much or something. I mean I think Gillispie left that program in such good shape it will take some time, but I do think Turgeon will bring it down. Also, a program like Texas A&M can NOT underachieve if it wants to be sucessful. There's no reason this team can't be a top 10 team, instead they're just kind of floundering around, underachieving, and at a program with no tradition and a history of losing, that's not a good thing at all to be happening for the future.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Going by your great judgment, I could say Gillispie has destroyed what Tubby "built" at UK:BANG I know for a fact you would think I'm off my rocker saying something like that. Do you know what type of system A&M ran last year compared to this year? DO you realize we lost an all american point gaurd who outscored his opponents in the last 5 min of a game by HIMSELF?

A&M isn't as tenatious(sp?) defensively as we were last year, but we are far from a bad defensive team. Yes I would like to see gaurds fit through screens instead of sagging under them every now and then, more pressure on the three point line etc, but we are doing fine.

Gillispie built A&M, no doubt. He built a winning program, and we would not be where we are without him, but we weren't exactly a sweet 16 shoe in this year after he left.

Gillispie ran a basic high low offense at A&M with not much creativity. Defense was his bread and butter. We're now transitioning into a motion, gaurd dominated offense at A&M that thrives off of speed and gaurd play. Yes we try and focus on getting the ball inside because of our size, but this team is making a serious effort at implementing a motion offense. It can be tough to do that when your roster is filled with guys who are 6'9'' and bigger and a lineup that was running a half court game last year.

I still can't believe you think Turg is "destroying" what A&M has. His recruiting has already been better than Gillispie's. We have two great players signing from Florida who fit in perfect with Turgeons system. A&M is finally recruiting outside the state in addition to the traditional Houston bball kids.

And if you want to get into more details, it's nice to have a coach finally that isn't going to run off kids every year only to oversign recruiting classes year after year. I'm not going to lie, I would love to still have Gillispie as our coach, but I'm perfectly fine with Turgeon here. He's recruiting his tail off, and we're a hell of a lot more entertaining to watch:thumbsup

[kydmb99]

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Going by your great judgment, I could say Gillispie has destroyed what Tubby "built" at UK:BANG I know for a fact you would think I'm off my rocker saying something like that. Do you know what type of system A&M ran last year compared to this year? DO you realize we lost an all american point gaurd who outscored his opponents in the last 5 min of a game by HIMSELF?

A&M isn't as tenatious(sp?) defensively as we were last year, but we are far from a bad defensive team. Yes I would like to see gaurds fit through screens instead of sagging under them every now and then, more pressure on the three point line etc, but we are doing fine.

Gillispie built A&M, no doubt. He built a winning program, and we would not be where we are without him, but we weren't exactly a sweet 16 shoe in this year after he left.

Gillispie ran a basic high low offense at A&M with not much creativity. Defense was his bread and butter. We're now transitioning into a motion, gaurd dominated offense at A&M that thrives off of speed and gaurd play. Yes we try and focus on getting the ball inside because of our size, but this team is making a serious effort at implementing a motion offense. It can be tough to do that when your roster is filled with guys who are 6'9'' and bigger and a lineup that was running a half court game last year.

I still can't believe you think Turg is "destroying" what A&M has. His recruiting has already been better than Gillispie's. We have two great players signing from Florida who fit in perfect with Turgeons system. A&M is finally recruiting outside the state in addition to the traditional Houston bball kids.

And if you want to get into more details, it's nice to have a coach finally that isn't going to run off kids every year only to oversign recruiting classes year after year. I'm not going to lie, I would love to still have Gillispie as our coach, but I'm perfectly fine with Turgeon here. He's recruiting his tail off, and we're a hell of a lot more entertaining to watch:thumbsup

Geeze man, relax. I hope Texas A&M remains a good program but I personally haven't been all that impressed by Turgeon. I liked him until I saw where he basically started whining when people were getting on him saying if he did something bad, it was his fault, but when something good happened people were going to give credit to Gillispie. Just showed a lack of character to me....

Also, I read some quotes from some A&M players saying basically Turgeon was a lot easier on them and just kind of allowed them to do their own thing as opposed to Gillispie's hard-nosed approach. I don't know, I just really don't know if that approach is going to work with players who have been conditioned for hard work under Gillispie. I'm not going to lie, I haven't watched all of A&M's games, but I don't know, when I do watch them compared to last year, they just seem to be missing something. It's hard for me to explain, but they just don't seem as... tough? Maybe that's the word, but you get what I'm saying. Like with that team last year, I wouldn't have wanted to see them in my bracket, with this years, I just kind of feel a first or 2nd round flame out from them. Again, I'm not bashing, these are just my honest opinions.

Also, yes losing Acie Law was a blow, but adding perhaps the best high school recruit in the nation doesn't hurt. All I know is when I watch this team, I can't help but think they're underachieving somewhat. They were once rated 9th in the nation this year, but are now struggling to stay in the top 25. They aren't a bad team, but I think they have the talent to be doing better. Also, a program like Texas A&M has a much smaller margin of error than many others. Let's face it, A&M has been habitual losers in the past in basketball. If they have one underachieving season and lose that buzz that was around them, it could really damage what they're trying to do.

Also, maybe "destroy" wasn't the right word, but "decline" may be better. I don't know, I'm always interested in how programs change from coach to coach and I don't know, I just can't help but think A&M has lost a little something. Also, remember, I thought Turgeon did a good job at Wichita State, I thought he was a decent hire. I just think so far, he's not getting the most out of that team. I could DEFINITELY be wrong, and I hope I am. It could very well just be the bumps that come with a new transition. It's nothing against A&M, just an observation I have. Take it for what it's worth.

[willthethrill]

Wake better be the team that actually closes out Duke.

[justinandimcool]

^ up by 10 with 4:38, can't let up now. Duke isn't getting anything in the paint though, it's only a matter of time til they start raining 3's.

[RJ2kWJ]

This is horrid to watch right now. Cant buy a fuckin basket. Traveling all over the place. Cant even control the damn ball and now 5 on Demarcus. Wow.

[dmbphan07]

duke is looking like they could be in trouble...never know though.

i'm just happy the terps got back on track yesterday

[justinandimcool]

Well, just a bad night for Duke. Couldn't make shots, lots of fouls, tough luck. Nothing I'd worry about if I were a Dukie.


AND WHAT THE FUCK IS MY TEAM WEARING? BLACK!?

[RJ2kWJ]

Never seen the refs foul out the 5 starters.

[justinandimcool]

Against UCLA you need to: give no 2nd chance opps, get 2nd chance opps, and attack the rim.

[chiznaz]

Geeze man, relax. I hope Texas A&M remains a good program but I personally haven't been all that impressed by Turgeon. I liked him until I saw where he basically started whining when people were getting on him saying if he did something bad, it was his fault, but when something good happened people were going to give credit to Gillispie. Just showed a lack of character to me....

Also, I read some quotes from some A&M players saying basically Turgeon was a lot easier on them and just kind of allowed them to do their own thing as opposed to Gillispie's hard-nosed approach. I don't know, I just really don't know if that approach is going to work with players who have been conditioned for hard work under Gillispie. I'm not going to lie, I haven't watched all of A&M's games, but I don't know, when I do watch them compared to last year, they just seem to be missing something. It's hard for me to explain, but they just don't seem as... tough? Maybe that's the word, but you get what I'm saying. Like with that team last year, I wouldn't have wanted to see them in my bracket, with this years, I just kind of feel a first or 2nd round flame out from them. Again, I'm not bashing, these are just my honest opinions.

Also, yes losing Acie Law was a blow, but adding perhaps the best high school recruit in the nation doesn't hurt. All I know is when I watch this team, I can't help but think they're underachieving somewhat. They were once rated 9th in the nation this year, but are now struggling to stay in the top 25. They aren't a bad team, but I think they have the talent to be doing better. Also, a program like Texas A&M has a much smaller margin of error than many others. Let's face it, A&M has been habitual losers in the past in basketball. If they have one underachieving season and lose that buzz that was around them, it could really damage what they're trying to do.

Also, maybe "destroy" wasn't the right word, but "decline" may be better. I don't know, I'm always interested in how programs change from coach to coach and I don't know, I just can't help but think A&M has lost a little something. Also, remember, I thought Turgeon did a good job at Wichita State, I thought he was a decent hire. I just think so far, he's not getting the most out of that team. I could DEFINITELY be wrong, and I hope I am. It could very well just be the bumps that come with a new transition. It's nothing against A&M, just an observation I have. Take it for what it's worth.

I admit I was over the stop starting out with the you don't know what you are talk about comments. I've been a little edgy lately. I've been working 60hour weeks lately and had to work Sat, thus eating the two tickets I had for the A&M game......

I don't blame Turgeon for the "whining" that was going on. He was catching flack from all over before the season was even half way over.... especially from the blowtards at the Houston Chronicle. He probably shouldn't have said it, especially at the time, but I don't blame him.

About the comment from players. That was a HUGE compliment to Turgeon compared to anything negative. Bryan Davis for example, had many practices last year which consisted of him running the steps in Reed Arena more than he was actually practicing. He was a stiff on offense because he was afraid of making a mistake and sitting the bench for a whole game. There were 3 players (two current starters) who were thinking about transfering due to Gillispie grilling them in practice. Whether that would have been a smart move by them is debatable. The main point is though Turgeon has brought the best out of all three of these players. Bryan Davis, under Turgeon this year, epitomizes the type of A&M ball you said you enjoyed seeing last year under Gillispie. He is the most blue collar player A&M has had in forever, and this happened under Turgeon.

Adding Deandre Jordan was not going to even remotely help ease the transition from losing Law IV. And DeAndre was far from the top high school recruit. Jordan was going against scrub competition in high school. If you would have seen him in high school, he wasn't even the best offensive player on his team. With that being said, another year in college and he can be the player everyone was expecting him to be this year.

A&M has no question been habitual losers in bball, but you honestly think that effects any of the players playing right now? All the buzz talk speaks only for guys on ESPN etc. One "underachieving" season isn't going to make a college kid pack his things and just give up. Any hype talk is all media. It doesn't transition to the court (especially when talking about a team like A&M).

Finally, every team is going to decline at some point. Logically it has to happen. Maybe A&M doesn't make the sweet 16 this year, maybe so. But using that to judge Turgeon is ridiculous in my book. We don't have to make the Sweet 16 to keep the momentum this program has. We have a $30 million practice facility being built right now, and we are recruiting well. That is a good judgement of a program (unless you have a coach who has no what he's doing in a game). You say A&M isn't getting the most out of the players, and I think the exact opposite. The majority of this roster has benefited from playing under Turgeon. No one is afraid on offense any more.



The one thing A&M is missing though, and you'll know what I'm talking about, is boot camp. That is a GREAT way to set the tone going into the season.

[kydmb99]

I admit I was over the stop starting out with the you don't know what you are talk about comments. I've been a little edgy lately. I've been working 60hour weeks lately and had to work Sat, thus eating the two tickets I had for the A&M game......

I don't blame Turgeon for the "whining" that was going on. He was catching flack from all over before the season was even half way over.... especially from the blowtards at the Houston Chronicle. He probably shouldn't have said it, especially at the time, but I don't blame him.

About the comment from players. That was a HUGE compliment to Turgeon compared to anything negative. Bryan Davis for example, had many practices last year which consisted of him running the steps in Reed Arena more than he was actually practicing. He was a stiff on offense because he was afraid of making a mistake and sitting the bench for a whole game. There were 3 players (two current starters) who were thinking about transfering due to Gillispie grilling them in practice. Whether that would have been a smart move by them is debatable. The main point is though Turgeon has brought the best out of all three of these players. Bryan Davis, under Turgeon this year, epitomizes the type of A&M ball you said you enjoyed seeing last year under Gillispie. He is the most blue collar player A&M has had in forever, and this happened under Turgeon.

Adding Deandre Jordan was not going to even remotely help ease the transition from losing Law IV. And DeAndre was far from the top high school recruit. Jordan was going against scrub competition in high school. If you would have seen him in high school, he wasn't even the best offensive player on his team. With that being said, another year in college and he can be the player everyone was expecting him to be this year.

A&M has no question been habitual losers in bball, but you honestly think that effects any of the players playing right now? All the buzz talk speaks only for guys on ESPN etc. One "underachieving" season isn't going to make a college kid pack his things and just give up. Any hype talk is all media. It doesn't transition to the court (especially when talking about a team like A&M).

Finally, every team is going to decline at some point. Logically it has to happen. Maybe A&M doesn't make the sweet 16 this year, maybe so. But using that to judge Turgeon is ridiculous in my book. We don't have to make the Sweet 16 to keep the momentum this program has. We have a $30 million practice facility being built right now, and we are recruiting well. That is a good judgement of a program (unless you have a coach who has no what he's doing in a game). You say A&M isn't getting the most out of the players, and I think the exact opposite. The majority of this roster has benefited from playing under Turgeon. No one is afraid on offense any more.



The one thing A&M is missing though, and you'll know what I'm talking about, is boot camp. That is a GREAT way to set the tone going into the season.

Yeah, like I said man, I could be totally wrong. I think part of it stems from the fact that UK really began to decline when Tubby eased up on the players. He was always a nice guy and the players usally liked him, but he never really pushed them. It seemed like Gillispie was great at really developing players who would buy into what he was teaching, and they pulled out a lot of games in which they may not have been the most talented team out of sheer will and toughness. At least that's what I saw last year and seems to be what's happening now under him at Kentucky.

I think the only thing that worried me was the fact that it seems Turgeon has a different mindset than the mindset that built that program under Gillispie, which was hard-nosed, tough, we're going to outwork you basketball. Often times that can be a bad thing for a program that is just starting to get its legs under it. Again, I like A&M and hope it does well, I will just be interested to see if Turgeon can maintain what was built there over an extended period of time.

[willthethrill]

Never seen the refs foul out the 5 starters.
Pretty sure it wasn't the refs that were fouling.

[justinandimcool]

USC is playing like a bunch of spoiled losers. Davon Jefferson telling UCLA "to bring something" when he puts up 4 and 4. OJ Mayo with 10 turnovers. SIX guys played today, showing our lack of depth. UCLA getting rebound after rebound. Trojans missing free throws, layups. Jesus. Way to spoil a good defensive night.

[justinandimcool]

More USC thoughts:

This team isn't together. There are no high fives, no smiles, no emotion, and most importantly no heart- they're going through the motions out there.

Games won't be won in the Pac-10 with guards running the show, especially ones who can't shoot. Taj Gibson played awesome defense down low, but offensively he is only half-decent. What does USC have to rely on when they can't get points in the paint? 3-pointers? Too bad their shooters are abysmal.

Mayo's body language shows he doesn't wanna be here, at least the last two days. He's grown tired of the college game it seems. He turned from a facilitator who makes great decisions with the ball into someone who can't take care of the ball and can't make shots. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's having a bad stretch, but he needs to step it up now.

Davon Jefferson needs to shut his mouth, he's not that good and he's never been that good, and his athleticism can be replaced. No need to talk smack to the Bruins.

Angelo Johnson and Dwight Lewis have been solid role players, but when we're relying on them to carry the team against UCLA, it's just not gonna happen.

I know we played a top 5 team, but they'll struggle with any team with a decent big man who can defend or rebound. To succeed, the Trojans have to come up with a better perimeter game than what they've got going. More ball movement, better shooting, simple as that. If not then I'll be glad to up my chances in winning a pool by picking them to lose in the 1st round. They've got all the signs- no depth, no inside game, mediocre shooting.



UCLA is getting on track defensively, although they should be alarmed by the lack of efficiency inside and outside. The midrange game works for them, and Love down there getting rebounds is more important than ever in games they don't make shots. Like I said before the game- 2nd chance points are key for them, and disallowing offensive rebounds as well. I'm not sure they convinced too many people tonight, but if Collison and Shipp get the perimeter game going, with that defense and inside presence, they can beat anyone.

[gbs3769]

Way to go Syracuse, that might have punched their ticket as long as they take care of bidness from here on out.
We have to take 3 of the final 5 to even consider being NCAA tournament worthy.

And a giant :thumbsdow to the Syracuse students and fans for rushing the court. That was almost as pathetic as the 2003 triple-storming against Pittsburgh. We've now beat Georgetown 8 of the last 10 times we have played them, you don't storm the court under those circumstances.

- Primo

[dmb448]

What sports reporters are doing the coverage for espn or cbs this march madness?

[dmbphan07]

We have to take 3 of the final 5 to even consider being NCAA tournament worthy.

And a giant :thumbsdow to the Syracuse students and fans for rushing the court. That was almost as pathetic as the 2003 triple-storming against Pittsburgh. We've now beat Georgetown 8 of the last 10 times we have played them, you don't storm the court under those circumstances.

- Primo

why do people storm the court so much these days. its soo stupid. if a team that isn't ranked beats a top 10 team at home, its like automatic stormage. its really bad and annoying.

it is a huge pet peeve of mine haha

but seriously:BANG:BANG:BANG

[GavMan33]

We have to take 3 of the final 5 to even consider being NCAA tournament worthy.

And a giant :thumbsdow to the Syracuse students and fans for rushing the court. That was almost as pathetic as the 2003 triple-storming against Pittsburgh. We've now beat Georgetown 8 of the last 10 times we have played them, you don't storm the court under those circumstances.

- Primo

:eek

Go figure. I had no idea. The Cuse really has GTown's number huh?

[UNC41]

Week 15 Ants NCAA Basketball Poll

1. Memphis (3) 75, 1/1
2. Tennessee 70, 2/4
3. (tie) North Carolina 68, 2/5
Kansas 68, 3/4
5. Duke 64, 4/5
6. UCLA 59, 6/7
7. Texas 58, 6/7
8. Xavier 53, 8/9
9. Stanford 48, 9/12
10. Connecticut 46, 8/13
11. Butler 44, 10/14
12. Wisconsin 43, 10/13
13. Georgetown 40, 11/14
14, Purdue 36, 11/16
15. Louisville 32, 12/17
16. Indiana 29, 14/18
17.Drake 26, 15/19
18. Michigan State 23, 16/20
19. Notre Dame 21, 16/22
20. Washington State 20, 16/24
21. Vanderbilt 13, 19/NR
22. Kansas State 12, 21/23
23. St. Mary's 11, 21/23
24. Marquette 8, 22/24
25. Texas A&M 21/NR

Also Receiving Votes: Clemson 2

Participating Voters: UNC41, clayj41, seekupig

[smeritt]

We have to take 3 of the final 5 to even consider being NCAA tournament worthy.

And a giant :thumbsdow to the Syracuse students and fans for rushing the court. That was almost as pathetic as the 2003 triple-storming against Pittsburgh. We've now beat Georgetown 8 of the last 10 times we have played them, you don't storm the court under those circumstances.

- Primo
They are pulling back right now. If they win tonight I think there ticket is punched. Big East is way too deep

[smeritt]

Week 15 Ants NCAA Basketball Poll

1. Memphis (3) 75, 1/1
2. Tennessee 70, 2/4
3. (tie) North Carolina 68, 2/5
Kansas 68, 3/4
5. Duke 64, 4/5
6. UCLA 59, 6/7
7. Texas 58, 6/7
8. Xavier 53, 8/9
9. Stanford 48, 9/12
10. Connecticut 46, 8/13
11. Butler 44, 10/14
12. Wisconsin 43, 10/13
13. Georgetown 40, 11/14
14, Purdue 36, 11/16
15. Louisville 32, 12/17
16. Indiana 29, 14/18
17.Drake 26, 15/19
18. Michigan State 23, 16/20
19. Notre Dame 21, 16/22
20. Washington State 20, 16/24
21. Vanderbilt 13, 19/NR
22. Kansas State 12, 21/23
23. St. Mary's 11, 21/23
24. Marquette 8, 22/24
25. Texas A&M 21/NR

Also Receiving Votes: Clemson 2

Participating Voters: UNC41, clayj41, seekupigI haven't believed in A&M since they lost to my wildcats

[justinandimcool]

Dammit, I keep forgetting to vote.

[smeritt]

I'm not a fan of that final dunk. There is 5 seconds left run the clock out. That's showing up a team that is clearly beat. That was not cool by Louisville

[UNC41]

I'm not a fan of that final dunk. There is 5 seconds left run the clock out. That's showing up a team that is clearly beat. That was not cool by Louisville

Agreed. Just dribble the clock out.

Cuse's legs were shot at the end of the game. They couldn't get a rebound to save their lives and it seemed like Louisville had two chances each possession for the last 5 minutes.

[willthethrill]

Dammit, I keep forgetting to vote.

Me too. I realized I forgot this week after seeing the ESPN poll at 3 p.m.

[UNC41]

Here's the best rivalry in college basketabll heating up, and I love it ...

After Sunday's loss to Wake Forest, Coach K can't resist taking a shot at Roy and the Heels and says on the radio (paraphrising), "Y'know, we don't put out all our injuries" (i.e. in the press), "but we're injured too."

So, Roy responds on his radio show yesterday when asked about the team's injuries, "Well, it’s not, and regardless of what somebody else says about them having injuries too, which is a bunch of bunk, so I don’t give a [flip] what somebody else says. They can coach their own [darn] team and I’ll coach my team – in case anyone had heard some statements about that. But for us, I was surprised that Deon [Thompson] was able to do something, but yet, he couldn’t continue playing so he sat out. It was an injury enough that he did not play in the second half. Ty Lawson is injured enough that he has not played in four games. Bobby Frasor is injured enough that he hasn’t played in how ever many games that is. So [when] somebody talks about us publishing our injuries, they should have enough things to worry about their own selves."

[gbs3769]

Go figure. I had no idea. The Cuse really has GTown's number huh?
Pretty much. They are always great games, but we just know how to play Georgetown.

- Primo

[gbs3769]

They are pulling back right now. If they win tonight I think there ticket is punched. Big East is way too deep
Normally I would have been upset with the loss last night, but of the remaining teams, I really think Louisville was the most difficult for us to face. I think we will be able to do something against Marquette and Notre Dame and if we can pick up both of those we should be all set.

- Primo

[HolyCow]

Another must-win for OU tonight against Baylor.

[GavMan33]

Another must-win for OU tonight against Baylor.

The winner of this game will be in shape for that last Big 12 team IN, and the loser is in big trouble, with both teams standing at 5-5 in conference....

Xavier 81-77 winners last night. St. Joe's was upset by 1 at the Palestra last night by LaSalle, and Xavier now has a 3-game lead in the A-10 with 5 games to go. It's important to rest Lavender and get him to 100% for the postseason tournaments.

[SmoothD41]

fuck purdue!

[seekupig]

fuck purdue!

i'm actually going to attempt to sit through an entire Big Ten game tonite.... as long as they score over 45 points combined in the first half. should be a good game.... :thumbsup

[willthethrill]

fuck purdue!
You better hope so. That won't be an easy loss to take.

[willthethrill]

Who the hell gathers in their home arena for an away regular season conference game? No wonder Tyler Zeller wanted to come to UNC.

[willthethrill]

God Erin, be mine. You are a freakin' goddess.

[UNC41]

God Erin, be mine. You are a freakin' goddess.

Dibs.

[willthethrill]

Dibs.

Seconds.

[UNC41]

Seconds.

Fair enough. Lovely Erin ragging on Steve Lavin for his hair was the highlight of this game.

[willthethrill]

Fair enough. Lovely Erin ragging on Steve Lavin for his hair was the highlight of this game.

She can rag on me all she likes.

[clayj41]

i'm actually going to attempt to sit through an entire Big Ten game tonite.... as long as they score over 45 points combined in the first half. should be a good game.... :thumbsup

So did you watch all of it?

[GavMan33]

God Erin, be mine. You are a freakin' goddess.

Dibs.

Seconds.

Fair enough. Lovely Erin ragging on Steve Lavin for his hair was the highlight of this game.

She can rag on me all she likes.

Something tells me that Erin doesn't drink that big-conference koolaid. I think she's got more of a heart for the little guys that play big. For the guys that graduate every player for the last 23 years. Kinda like the Musketeers. That's why she'd easy jump for the Bobby G love....

Plus, she likes it when I call her EA ;)

[UNC41]

Something tells me that Erin doesn't drink that big-conference koolaid. I think she's got more of a heart for the little guys that play big. For the guys that graduate every player for the last 23 years. Kinda like the Musketeers. That's why she'd easy jump for the Bobby G love....

Plus, she likes it when I call her EA ;)

So that's why she want to Florida rather than Xavier UStateCentralTechA&M? :D

[Carbon Copy]

Who the hell gathers in their home arena for an away regular season conference game? No wonder Tyler Zeller wanted to come to UNC.

answer: not north carolina?

[clayj41]

Who the hell gathers in their home arena for an away regular season conference game? No wonder Tyler Zeller wanted to come to UNC.

Well considering Purdue doesn't get a chance for a rematch at Mackey I totally understand it.

[SmoothD41]

if that was sampson's last game (it was), what a way to go out.

ladies and gentleman, your interim coach of the indiana hoosiers...mr. dan dakich.

[UNC41]

The 2008 Burger Boys have been announced. North Carolina nabbed three, while UCLA and Ohio St. each picked up two.

http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/730339.html

[clayj41]

That OU-Baylor game had one of the best finishes I've ever seen!:eek

[willthethrill]

The 2008 Burger Boys have been announced. North Carolina nabbed three, while UCLA and Ohio St. each picked up two.

http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/730339.html

And that's AFTER Roy whiffed on his top 4 or 5 recruits. Granted LD is not the second coming of Ty Lawson, but damn can Coach recruit.

[kydmb99]

The 2008 Burger Boys have been announced. North Carolina nabbed three, while UCLA and Ohio St. each picked up two.

http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/730339.html

Man, how in the fuck do you leave out DeAndre Liggins? There's a few players not even in the top 50 on that list, but UK has two signees both ranked in the top 35 and neither get picked. What the hell?

[seekupig]

So did you watch all of it?

most of it...

[HolyCow]

That OU-Baylor game had one of the best finishes I've ever seen!:eek
Seriously. I can't continue to do this. Saturday's game against Tech and now this.

Holy crap what a game.

[clayj41]

most of it...

...and?

[whygohome?]

Man, how in the fuck do you leave out DeAndre Liggins? There's a few players not even in the top 50 on that list, but UK has two signees both ranked in the top 35 and neither get picked. What the hell?

Most recent Mcodonalds All Americans at UK:

Randolph Morris
Rajon Rondo
Joe Crawford
Rashaad Carruth

we dont need MAA's. they have big egos and most of them dont back it up.

[UNC41]

And that's AFTER Roy whiffed on his top 4 or 5 recruits. Granted LD is not the second coming of Ty Lawson, but damn can Coach recruit.

Drew may not be Ty or Ray, but he was the ONE point guard Roy targeted out of this class. That says something.

Most recent Mcodonalds All Americans at UK:

Randolph Morris
Rajon Rondo
Joe Crawford
Rashaad Carruth

we dont need MAA's. they have big egos and most of them dont back it up.

You forgot Patterson. If you take him off this year's Kentucky team they are below .500. Crawford has developed into a pretty good player. It has taken time, but he's finally fulfilled a lot of the potential we saw for three years this year. Without Morris in the post last year Kentucky easily could have missed the tournament, and Rondo was a heck of a player with a broken jump shot by his second year. He played great defense, was the team's best playmaker and was a great defender.

You can go ahead and knock the value of Burger Boys, but I'll take Jawad Williams, Felton, McCants, May, Marvin Williams, Hansbrough, Frasor, Green, Lawson, Ellington and Wright any day, and that's just this decade. Also, I'm sure you wouldn't be against Scotty Hopson heading to Kentucky ...

[GavMan33]

So that's why she want to Florida rather than Xavier UStateCentralTechA&M? :D

:lol +1 to this fucking guy :lol

[unccrombie]

Most recent Mcodonalds All Americans at UK:

Randolph Morris
Rajon Rondo
Joe Crawford
Rashaad Carruth

we dont need MAA's. they have big egos and most of them dont back it up.
rondo is solid, and a nice contributor for the celtics

[HolyCow]

So I'm looking at OU's remaining schedule and it looks good for the Sooners.

@ Texas (loss)
@ Nebraska (toss up/win)
A&M (win)
@ Ok State (loss)
Missouri (win)

Right now OU is 6-5 in conference and 18-8 overall. I think 8-8 in the Big 12 will put them in, which means that would be wins over A&M and Missouri at home.

But OU has played well on the road so wins at Nebraska and OSU are possible. But I think OU would just win one of those so 9-7 in the Big 12 puts them in for sure, no doubt. But at 10-6 in conference and 22-9 overall, I think OU could be looking at a 5 or 6 seed.

Anyway, I just wanted to put that down.

[snow1868]

OU had a big win last night against Baylor. What a bad break for Baylor though, fouling on a three that would tie the game. Bad move on their part, I guess that's what comes with years of losing, not knowing how to close a game out.

[HolyCow]

OU had a big win last night against Baylor. What a bad break for Baylor though, fouling on a three that would tie the game. Bad move on their part, I guess that's what comes with years of losing, not knowing how to close a game out.
Yeah and I don't even think it was a foul....

And poor Aaron Bruce is the one that did it. Saturday he goes Chris Webber on his team and calls a timeout they don't have and then this. Poor guy.

[snow1868]

Yeah and I don't even think it was a foul....

I thought the same thing, but that's home cooking for ya. Good win none the less.

Didn't see your edit, but yeah, that sucks for him.

[whygohome?]

You forgot Patterson. If you take him off this year's Kentucky team they are below .500. Crawford has developed into a pretty good player. It has taken time, but he's finally fulfilled a lot of the potential we saw for three years this year. Without Morris in the post last year Kentucky easily could have missed the tournament, and Rondo was a heck of a player with a broken jump shot by his second year. He played great defense, was the team's best playmaker and was a great defender.

You can go ahead and knock the value of Burger Boys, but I'll take Jawad Williams, Felton, McCants, May, Marvin Williams, Hansbrough, Frasor, Green, Lawson, Ellington and Wright any day, and that's just this decade. Also, I'm sure you wouldn't be against Scotty Hopson heading to Kentucky ...

well yeah i forgot patterson because had he decided his college choice earlier he wouldnt have been a MAA. they just dont put UK recruits on the team for the most part.

all of those players were good (Except carruth), but they all left early without really helping us do anything. rondo was gone after two years, morris was in NBA-warm up mode all year last year, and joe crawford just hasnt lived up to his potential. we'd be a top 10 team this year if rondo and morris had stayed all 4 years.

unless you get like half the team every year (like UNC and Duke), egotistical, $$$ in their eyes MAA's do not help your team.

rondo is solid, and a nice contributor for the celtics

yeah, he's doing great for the celtics...never really did shit for us but go and-1 street ball on a few dudes in his time here.

[GavMan33]

Not sure what all the love for McDonald's All-Americans is for. There are plenty of great college players that aren't McDonalds All-Americans. To say that it's a conspiracy that no UK recruits are MAAs is ridiculous. If they're good, then what does it matter if they are or not?

As a Xavier guy, Drew Lavender was a McDonald's All-American out of high school, the only one in school history; and he's a transfer, so it doesn't exactly count as a Xavier college choice. But Xavier has had plenty of good players on good teams. MAAs aren't the end-all be-all....

[UNLTrpt]

So I'm looking at OU's remaining schedule and it looks good for the Sooners.

@ Texas (loss)
@ Nebraska (toss up/win)
A&M (win)
@ Ok State (loss)
Missouri (win)

Right now OU is 6-5 in conference and 18-8 overall. I think 8-8 in the Big 12 will put them in, which means that would be wins over A&M and Missouri at home.

But OU has played well on the road so wins at Nebraska and OSU are possible. But I think OU would just win one of those so 9-7 in the Big 12 puts them in for sure, no doubt. But at 10-6 in conference and 22-9 overall, I think OU could be looking at a 5 or 6 seed.

Anyway, I just wanted to put that down.

I did that a couple weeks ago and Nebraska preceded to lose to the next two teams that they shouldn't have lost too.

[justinandimcool]

I'm having so much trouble following UNC's halfcourt set. :lol It seems like Roy is just letting them play, anyone have any idea what they're playing?

[UNC41]

I'm having so much trouble following UNC's halfcourt set. :lol It seems like Roy is just letting them play, anyone have any idea what they're playing?

Pile-O-Shit

[justinandimcool]

Pile-O-Shit

:lol So they're not playing anything? It looks like a free for all when they're on the offensive end. Alot of high pick and roll but not alot of set rotation. I guess it's working, for now.

Needless to say, NC State is 30 times better than they were in Chapel Hill this year.

[UNC41]

:lol So they're not playing anything? It looks like a free for all when they're on the offensive end. Alot of high pick and roll but not alot of set rotation. I guess it's working, for now.

Needless to say, NC State is 30 times better than they were in Chapel Hill this year.

What I've been seeing is a bunch of passing the ball around the perimeter looking to get the ball into the post. They've also been running Ellington and Green off screens looking to get them open looks.

[RJ2kWJ]

No talk about Coach K vs. Roy huh?? I know which way this board would lean anyways. :lol

Anyways.... Roy is the head coach at UNC. He should have taken that little ass comment with some thicker skin and shouldn't have been a little bitch about it.

K > Roy

[HolyCow]

Yeah Roy totally overreacted. I doubt Coach K was even taking a shot at UNC. Roy shouldn't have even acknowledged it. I guess we know where his head's at.

[clayj41]

No talk about Coach K vs. Roy huh?? I know which way this board would lean anyways. :lol

Anyways.... Roy is the head coach at UNC. He should have taken that little ass comment with some thicker skin and shouldn't have been a little bitch about it.

K > Roy

Bryan actually mentioned it like two days ago (Coach K's initial comments at least). I agree that Roy didn't necessarily need to respond, even if I do agree with what he said.


Anyways, great win tonight. The way they played in the second half was amazing. I really do believe that Ty being hurt has made them a better team. He'll be back Sunday, and its nice to know that Q has solidified himself as a #2 PG.

[UNC41]

No talk about Coach K vs. Roy huh?? I know which way this board would lean anyways. :lol

Anyways.... Roy is the head coach at UNC. He should have taken that little ass comment with some thicker skin and shouldn't have been a little bitch about it.

K > Roy

Did Roy need to react the way he did? Probably not. Still, I think it's a bigger bitch move to bring up the whole injury thing AFTER a loss and to even make a comment referring to Roy when you should be talking about what your team didn't do and what Wake Forest did do to win the game.

I think it's become very clear these two just don't like each other. To me it became very noticeable with how upset with Coach K trying to call Henderson the victim and taking a little shot at Hansbrough about the elbow incident last year.

[waywayNCSU]

Goddamn Wolfpack. Typical. Pretty sure they aren't aware there are TWO halves of basketball to be played.

[clayj41]

Goddamn Wolfpack. Typical. Pretty sure they aren't aware there are TWO halves of basketball to be played.

Yeah, if they could combine the first half from tonight and the second half of the last UNC meeting, that would be a pretty good game.

[justinandimcool]

Duke down 13 to Miami in the 2nd half...uh oh.

[justinandimcool]

Duke down 20 with 11 minutes to go. Uh oh...

[UNC41]

And we have a tie at the top of the ACC as Duke falls for the second time in four days! Go figure the one game of Duke's ESPN decides not to nationally televise goes down to the wire. Man, tracking it on espn.com took forever.

How huge would it be if both teams won out and the ACC title was on the line the last day of the regular season.

[clayj41]

I wonder who Coach K will call out this time? :lol

[UNLTrpt]

and the weird up and down season for Nebraska is going back up. A good win over KSU and "held" beasley to only 17 points.

[justinandimcool]

Kansas State is in trouble. When I see Bill Walker I see nothing but a punk that won't play defense and doesn't have the attitude necessary to keep this team together. Michael Beasley also comes off as a pompous ass with him saying "I'm going for 50 tonight" before the Nebraska game.

Talent wise they can do damage, but as a team, the foundation isn't sturdy yet.

[UNLTrpt]

Kansas State is in trouble. When I see Bill Walker I see nothing but a punk that won't play defense and doesn't have the attitude necessary to keep this team together. Michael Beasley also comes off as a pompous ass with him saying "I'm going for 50 tonight" before the Nebraska game.

Talent wise they can do damage, but as a team, the foundation isn't sturdy yet.

he said that this week? or was that the previous game?

[justinandimcool]

Tonight. During the pregame warmups.

[clayj41]

Tonight. During the pregame warmups.

WHAT! A! DOUCHE! :twak

[UNLTrpt]

Tonight. During the pregame warmups.

oh was that the shot where he was spinning the basketball on his finger? I didn't have any sound where I was watching the game.

At least Durant kept his mouth shut.

Beasley has the talent to take his team to the Sweet 16 with the right seed. I doubt they'll get any farther, if even that.

[UNC41]

Just a dumb move by Beasley. It's not a bad thing the kid has all the confident in the world, but keep it to yourself rather than on National TV. Also, Maric got absolutely hammered in the paint tonight.

[unccrombie]

And we have a tie at the top of the ACC as Duke falls for the second time in four days! Go figure the one game of Duke's ESPN decides not to nationally televise goes down to the wire. Man, tracking it on espn.com took forever.

How huge would it be if both teams won out and the ACC title was on the line the last day of the regular season.
first win for the canes in 45 years. mad props

[clayj41]

Just a dumb move by Beasley. It's not a bad thing the kid has all the confident in the world, but keep it to yourself rather than on National TV.

Hopefully it pisses off the old foagies who select the several POY awards and buys Psycho T a few more votes.;)

[UNLTrpt]

Just a dumb move by Beasley. It's not a bad thing the kid has all the confident in the world, but keep it to yourself rather than on National TV. Also, Maric got absolutely hammered in the paint tonight.

There was one I saw where he got absolutely raked across the arm and nothing was called. It was pretty ridiculous.

Alex is so close to being one of the best centers in the nation. He has a hell of a time hitting those 5 foot hook shots. Gotta give the man credit though, he's taken a beating for 4 years as Nebraska's only legit center.

[UNC41]

There was one I saw where he got absolutely raked across the arm and nothing was called. It was pretty ridiculous.

Alex is so close to being one of the best centers in the nation. He has a hell of a time hitting those 5 foot hook shots. Gotta give the man credit though, he's taken a beating for 4 years as Nebraska's only legit center.

He's a hell of a player who had a great game tonight. I love that his parents are in the U.S. for the entire conference season.

[UNLTrpt]

He's a hell of a player who had a great game tonight. I love that his parents are in the U.S. for the entire conference season.

he's received way to much criticism from the fans here. i just don't get it.

Oh no I do...Nebraska fans are idiots.

[willthethrill]

No talk about Coach K vs. Roy huh?? I know which way this board would lean anyways. :lol

Anyways.... Roy is the head coach at UNC. He should have taken that little ass comment with some thicker skin and shouldn't have been a little bitch about it.

K > Roy
Bring it back up again. Good idea. Let's see what K pulls tonight to push the attention away from his team's loss.


Oh, and Heel fans, can I get a high five on a great night?

[unccrombie]

Bring it back up again. Good idea. Let's see what K pulls tonight to push the attention away from his team's loss.


Oh, and Heel fans, can I get a high five on a great night?
:borat high five

[UNC41]

:borat high five

I lika the win and the a duke loss. High five.

[UNC41]

Is there any chance we can petition to get Gus Johnson to call the Final Four with Jay Bilas providing color?

[willthethrill]

In my dreams, Bryan, in my dreams.

[unccrombie]

Is there any chance we can petition to get Gus Johnson to call the Final Four with Jay Bilas providing color?
i want gus johnson to call my funeral

[HolyCow]

i want gus johnson to call my funeral

John is laying peacefully in the casket. Over to mom who is sobbing. Now over to Dad. He gets up and drives the aisle. The paul bearers are UP! They pick up the casket! DRIVE TO THE HOLE!!!! RISE AND FIRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!! YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!

[UNLTrpt]

i want gus johnson to call my funeral

:lol :lol

John is laying peacefully in the casket. Over to mom who is sobbing. Now over to Dad. He gets up and drives the aisle. The paul bearers are UP! They pick up the casket! DRIVE TO THE HOLE!!!! RISE AND FIRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!! YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!

:lol:lol

greatest. funeral. ever.

[RJ2kWJ]

And we have a tie at the top of the ACC as Duke falls for the second time in four days! Go figure the one game of Duke's ESPN decides not to nationally televise goes down to the wire. Man, tracking it on espn.com took forever.

How huge would it be if both teams won out and the ACC title was on the line the last day of the regular season.

I had a feeling we'd drop two in a row. Now Im just hoping we dont have another 4 game skid. :shrug If we do win out though it would be insane for the last game to decide the regular season champs.

That loss hurts so much. The last 2 games have really shown me how important singler is to the team. Now i knew that he was a real good player - don't get me wrong, but in the last 2 games singler picked up some quick fouls and sat alot. He also had trouble getting his game going on the offensive side.

There was a stretch where kyle got called for a charge after he made a bucket - he usually gets the call on that and a follow up play at the other end where he got called for a charge. That was a key sequence in the game.

[GavMan33]

It's funny. My old roommate out at Xavier is doing a psychology study on how fans react when their team wins vs. when their team loses. So he asked me to send him a few game films that I have of Xavier, one of them being the Xavier/Ohio St. game from last year. He calls me up yesterday, tells me how great the Xavier/OSU game is because the announcer gets so into it. I say yeah, that's Gus Johnson. He can make a chess match seem like the Super Bowl....

[justinandimcool]

Arizona State's chances are dwindling, they're 6-7 now in the Pac-10, losing 6 of their past 8. The two wins in that stretch were against Arizona and Stanford, which is all they can hang on to now. With losses to Illinois and Nebraska, it doesn't look good at all.

[justinandimcool]

God damn this USC crowd is dead.

[justinandimcool]

God damn this USC team is dead.

[smeritt]

This Arizona game is sloppy and ugly

[justinandimcool]

Trojans actually have some heart, who knew. Keith Wilkinson off the bench, making use of himself, good to see.

The rest of the team in the first half- :thumbsdow


Good to see Mayo can hit it when it counts. Too bad later on in March the first 20 minutes do in fact count.

[justinandimcool]

I guess if OJ wants to, he plays like an All-American. 30 footer to beat the shot-clock was Kobe like. Not ideal, but clutch.

[justinandimcool]

I had no idea we had this extra gear. What a great win, assuming we hold on for 16 seconds. My faith is temporarily restored- if only the Trojans played like this for 40 minutes a game, not 15. A lot more dependence on Mayo than I would hope for, but with guys off the bench coming up big, and the defense being AWESOME, I can't complain at all.

[justinandimcool]

Ew, what the fuck happened to Arizona?

[HolyCow]

I'll tell you, OJ looked dang good tonight. Dang good.

[whygohome?]

Toughest player in the NCAA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8HwU-toj2g&feature=related

[UNC41]

Toughest player in the NCAA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8HwU-toj2g&feature=related

Let's be honest, Hansbrough could walk into a dark alley with Kentucky's entire starting five and would be the only one not crawling out. Also, he'd score 12 points against Vandy in the first by himself ...

[UNC41]

Indiana players threaten to walk if Sampson is fired today.

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/10659277

[JRod1229]

Let's be honest, Hansbrough could walk into a dark alley with Kentucky's entire starting five and would be the only one not crawling out. Also, he'd score 12 points against Vandy in the first by himself ...


Mark my words... Hansbrough won't do shit in the NBA... I don't get where he gets all this credit as being soo tough... and way to bring up Vandy.. from what I recall until this year "the best player in America" couldn't get 10 points against us, got shut down by a "mediocre" NBA player who never did anything in college, TWICE... yah he'll really be able to ball it up on the bigs in the NBA, they'll laugh at him and then knock down a trey since he has no range

[UNC41]

Mark my words... Hansbrough won't do shit in the NBA... I don't get where he gets all this credit as being soo tough... and way to bring up Vandy.. from what I recall until this year "the best player in America" couldn't get 10 points against us, got shut down by a "mediocre" NBA player who never did anything in college, TWICE... yah he'll really be able to ball it up on the bigs in the NBA, they'll laugh at him and then knock down a trey since he has no range

Mark my words, what Hansbrough will or won't do in the NBA has absolutely no relevance to this discussion. I don’t expect him to be a world beater in NBA, but I’d be willing to bet he’ll be in the league for 10 years. He’s pretty much the same size as Boozer and Randolph, and his work ethic blows them out of the water.

If you regularly watched North Carolina this year, it’s clear Hansbrough has drastically improved many of the weakness that led to Morris, who was known throughout his time at Kentucky for only showing up when they played on National TV might I add, keeping him in check. He is a drastically more complete player this year than the ones you referenced. He has improved the range on his jump shot out to 15 feet, is a significantly better rebounder, is better at defending in the post, has been excellent at guarding 4s out on the perimeter and has gotten quicker taking guys off the dribble.

Feel free to knock Hansbrough because you’re jealous he doesn’t play for Kentucky, but here’s a fact for you … there are only seven games this year where Hansbrough hasn’t scored 20 or more points (but was in double digits all of those games), and in six of those seven he had 11 or more rebounds. Also, since one of the five best point guards in the country went down he has elevated his play to the tune of 28 points and 13 boards a game.

[kydmb99]

Mark my words, what Hansbrough will or won't do in the NBA has absolutely no relevance to this discussion. I don’t expect him to be a world beater in NBA, but I’d be willing to bet he’ll be in the league for 10 years. He’s pretty much the same size as Boozer and Randolph, and his work ethic blows them out of the water.

If you regularly watched North Carolina this year, it’s clear Hansbrough has drastically improved many of the weakness that led to Morris, who was known throughout his time at Kentucky for only showing up when they played on National TV might I add, keeping him in check. He is a drastically more complete player this year than the ones you referenced. He has improved the range on his jump shot out to 15 feet, is a significantly better rebounder, is better at defending in the post, has been excellent at guarding 4s out on the perimeter and has gotten quicker taking guys off the dribble.

Feel free to knock Hansbrough because you’re jealous he doesn’t play for Kentucky, but here’s a fact for you … there are only seven games this year where Hansbrough hasn’t scored 20 or more points (but was in double digits all of those games), and in six of those seven he had 11 or more rebounds. Also, since one of the five best point guards in the country went down he has elevated his play to the tune of 28 points and 13 boards a game.

I'd love to have Hansbrough at UK, but I wouldn't trade Patterson as Freshman for Hansbrough as a Junior.

[UNC41]

I'd love to have Hansbrough at UK, but I wouldn't trade Patterson as Freshman for Hansbrough as a Junior.

I would. Hansbrough is as likely to be in school next year as Patterson, and I'd bet money neither one of them are two years from now.

[HolyCow]

Toughest player in the NCAA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8HwU-toj2g&feature=related
People make fun of Paulus for flopping. I've watch UNC play a bunch this year and Tyler Hansbrough is the bigger weiner. He falls and flops and whines more than any player I've seen.

[kydmb99]

I would. Hansbrough is as likely to be in school next year as Patterson, and I'd bet money neither one of them are two years from now.

Ok? I just think Patterson has much, much more talent and upside than Hansbrough.

[UNC41]

People make fun of Paulus for flopping. I've watch UNC play a bunch this year and Tyler Hansbrough is the bigger weiner. He falls and flops and whines more than any player I've seen.

I don't know if you saw the Duke/Miami game, but Paulus' flop with less than a minute was hands down worse than anything I've ever seen Hansbrough do. And yes, he falls more than any player I've ever seen too, but that is because he gets hit harder and more often than any player I've ever seen.

Ok? I just think Patterson has much, much more talent and upside than Hansbrough.

Well I just assumed you meant you wouldn't trade them because Patterson would be at Kentucky longer than Hansbrough will be at North Carolina. If you meant you'd rather have Patterson on your team than Psycho T right now I am at a loss of words.

[BreakFree27]

big win for my Minutemen last night at URI. PLEASE no let down games the rest of the regular season! We need to have a 'good' A-10 tourney to get in i think, but we can do it.

[clayj41]

If you meant you'd rather have Patterson on your team than Psycho T right now I am at a loss of words.

:thumbsup Ridiculous....

[JRod1229]

I think most people would agree Patterson is better, IF (big IF) UK knew how to get the ball into the post... they have maybe 1 guy decent at it... normally they throw it in late and he is already doubled... he normally has 10-12 points in the first half, but rarely finishes above 20... why is this? Because we give up trying to work the ball into him, whereas UNC knows Tyler is their main option and does what it takes to get the ball in.

[JRod1229]

edit: Maybe I am just angry because I think Tyler will win the POTY and not be as deserving as Beasley is...

[UNC41]

I think most people would agree Patterson is better, IF (big IF) UK knew how to get the ball into the post... they have maybe 1 guy decent at it... normally they throw it in late and he is already doubled... he normally has 10-12 points in the first half, but rarely finishes above 20... why is this? Because we give up trying to work the ball into him, whereas UNC knows Tyler is their main option and does what it takes to get the ball in.

I think most people outside of Kentucky would completely disagree with you. Patterson may have more talent, but he is not the better college basketball player right now. And say what you will about Patterson not being able to get the ball, but Hansbrough has played the last six games with a point guard who averaged 8 minutes a game for his first 3.5 years of college basketball and has increased his numbers. Also, there are definitely times where UNC goes away from trying to get Hansbrough the ball in the post, but he still finds ways to get his with offensive rebounds and getting out on the break.

[clayj41]

You will never hear me say that Hansbrough is the most talented player in college basketball. As Jay Bilas said however, few players get as much out of what talent they do have as Psycho T does. As Bryan as pointed out, since Lawson has gone done Hansbrough has increased his numbers tremendously and has shown his range and ability to create his own shot. When all is said and done, he will go down as one of the best Tar Heels ever and possibly one of the best college basketball players ever.

[GavMan33]

You will never hear me say that Hansbrough is the most talented player in college basketball. As Jay Bilas said however, few players get as much out of what talent they do have as Psycho T does. As Bryan as pointed out, since Lawson has gone done Hansbrough has increased his numbers tremendously and has shown his range and ability to create his own shot. When all is said and done, he will go down as one of the best Tar Heels ever and possibly one of the best college basketball players ever.

I just happened to quote this one, but several points:

-Xavier moves to 23-4, 11-1 in the A-10 after last night's pounding of Duquesne. For those of you not paying attention, Drew Lavender has been hobbled with an ankle he suffered 2 weeks ago @ Charlotte. He will never ask out, and has been playing on it. But because we got out way ahead last night, Lavender only played 14 minutes. That's important, this team is far less without Lavender.

-One other thing is Xavier is now playing for one of those protected seeds in the NCAAs. Here's what it is:

Duke and UNC will both play their 1st/2nd round in Raleigh.
Memphis will play theirs in Little Rock.
Tennessee will most likely get Birmingham, Alabama
That leaves UConn, which has a shot to get Washington, DC. Other teams vying for it? Louisville, Notre Dame, Ohio State, schools like that. I think X trumps all of them at the moment. You may see Bob on a road trip to DC....

-:lol at Bryan's comment last page or two how Hansbrough would score more than 12 points in the 1st half vs. Vandy :lol

-Amen to my man here. Hansbrough is not near the top of talented players in college hoop. And he's definitely not the most athletic. But I'm telling you, the kid plays out of his mind. Everytime I watch Carolina, I'm so impressed the way he goes 100%, every play. That's special; that's what championship teams are made of. Hansbrough is a frontrunner for POY, and he's diving all over the place, making all those hustle plays. That's how championships are won :thumbsup

[GavMan33]

big win for my Minutemen last night at URI. PLEASE no let down games the rest of the regular season! We need to have a 'good' A-10 tourney to get in i think, but we can do it.

One thing about this. I'm pissed at your boys. What the hell are you doing losing at home on National TV to Fordham? You can't get up for it? That's BS brotherman. Very similar to St. Joseph's loss to LaSalle earlier this week. I understand it's a Big 5 game, but you are FAR superior to LaSalle.

And :lol at Dayton's loss to LaSalle. What was it, 5 weeks ago I said Dayton's screwed? Xavier @ Dayton, Sunday afternoon at 2pm, on that joke of a network CSTV....

[willthethrill]

People make fun of Paulus for flopping. I've watch UNC play a bunch this year and Tyler Hansbrough is the bigger weiner. He falls and flops and whines more than any player I've seen.
Falls, yes. There's a reason he's bruised after every game. Flopping? Well this year he has started drawing a lot of charges, and while some of them probably involve some acting, it's working damn well, as he's probably drawing 2 a game. I can't fault him for what the refs are condoning as good defense, although it does annoy me sometimes.

Now, whining? Nuh uh. Go back and watch ANY game this year and point out an example of a UNC player whining. They just don't. That's one of the things that I like most about a Roy Williams-coached team: he instructs them that he will take care of speaking with the officials. In other words, you do your job, I'll do mine. I don't think a single Heel has gotten a T this year, and the first thing they do after a foul, is join together as a team for a quick talk.

None of that Paulusesque whining BS in Chapel Hill. Not us.


Oh, and Patterson > Tyler? I'm not sure what to say. Has anybody else been watching UNC games since Ty went down? He's a man possessed, guys. It doesn't matter if he doesn't get the ball in the post anymore. He's receiving the ball on the perimeter and going to work from there. No, he's not Hakeem, but you can't argue with his stats lately.

If Tyler plays 11 more games this year (UNC could play a total of 13 with the ACC Championship and the National Championship) and continues to score at his season average, he will end the season as the #2 all-time scorer at UNC, barely behind Phil Ford. Patterson? Really???

[JRod1229]

I'm not doubting Tyler is a good player... here are some points though as to why I think Patterson maybe better.

- His body... I mean seriously, the guy is ripped from head to toe (Tyler is not)
- UNC has other options... when UK plays, at best, they have 3 scoring options... makes it REAL easy to double team a guy every single time when you know you don't have to work about him passing it to some open guy who cannot shoot. I realize Tyler gets double teamed, but only for so long... eventually one of the perimeter guys heats up and that forces them to check the double team for a little bit, at least for a litle bit.
- I think you would be amazed at how good Patterson would really be with a full compliment... he says he is gonna stay around until he gets it, but I just don't know if that is true.. I think Kentucky will frustrate him

oh well, all my opinion

[SmoothD41]

http://blogs.heraldtimesonline.com/iusp/

Dan Dakich coaching IU practice right now...DJ White, Jamarcus Ellis, Jordan Crawford, Armon Bassett, Deandre Thomas, Brandon McGhee not present. Players are practicing VS managers....i don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Eric Gordon is going for 70 tomorrow @ Northwestern.

press conference scheduled for 6:00.