Preseason NCAA Basketball Poll is released [Archive] - Page 87

whygohome?

02-29-2008, 05:28 PM

Fuck it, it was a hell of a run. BCG had a great first year and surpassed any and all expectations I had of him. A winning record with the bunk ass shit Tubby Smith left is an accomplishment.

yeah i guess so..but we had played our asses off to get to the point where we were actually gonna make noise in tourney, and now all of that is seemingly just fuckin down the toilet. id like to be positive and say we could still beat FL and SC and a couple of games in the SECT, but i just dont see it happening.

oh well. at least they made it interesting. damn this sucks i was so hyped foe the UT game and now its just gonna be a bloodbath.

go cats :(:lorraine:lorraine:BANG:BANG:BANG

clayj41

02-29-2008, 05:33 PM

Will, looks like we became Tar Heels during the same game. Very cool. I always watched as many games as I could and have streamed Woody since I could find on the Internet. Also, I applied to UNC and was accepted, but couldn't bring myself to go that far away from home.

:thumbsup I applied for undergrad and was accepted, but turned them down based on the same reasoning. I was gonna apply to the UNC Law School, but figured I still didn't feel like moving that far away.

clayj41

02-29-2008, 05:35 PM

Now, you've got to pick your sports teams when you're young, right?

:thumbsup I don't see how someone can give a person shit for still supporting the team they chose to support as a kid.

seekupig

02-29-2008, 05:41 PM

seekupig

02-29-2008, 05:46 PM

Now, you've got to pick your sports teams when you're young, right?

or in my case, have them picked for you.....

as i've stated i've always been a Jayhawks, Chiefs and Royals fan (because that's what my dad told me i was...). well, i went through my Bo Jackson phase like most people my age did back in the late 80's & early 90's. i loved him as a Royal first, but ended up loving him when he was with the Raiders as well... how could you not admire someone that was that dominant at everything they did? well one day my dad and i are watching a Chiefs vs. Raiders game (huge rivalry) and i cheered when Bo broke off a long TD. my dad proceeded to make me watch the rest of the game outside looking through the living room window from the yard.... :lol

clayj41

02-29-2008, 05:51 PM

or in my case, have them picked for you.....

as i've stated i've always been a Jayhawks, Chiefs and Royals fan (because that's what my dad told me i was...). well, i went through my Bo Jackson phase like most people my age did back in the late 80's & early 90's. i loved him as a Royal first, but ended up loving him when he was with the Raiders as well... how could you not admire someone that was that dominant at everything they did? well one day my dad and i are watching a Chiefs vs. Raiders game (huge rivalry) and i cheered when Bo broke off a long TD. my dad proceeded to make me watch the rest of the game outside looking through the living room window from the yard.... :lol

Sports...giving parents an excuse for child abuse since the 1800's :p

My dad went with me to the UNC/IU game where I wore the Sean May jersey. He was just laughing at me the whole time as people continued to throw insults and food at me. :lol

seekupig

02-29-2008, 05:54 PM

i love KU's draw in the latest bracketology. the only game that really scares me is a potential 2nd round matchup with Clemson. i'd actually rather stay a #2 seed in the South or Midwest than be a #1 in the West and have to match up with a #2 UCLA playing close to home again.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

dmb1spe

02-29-2008, 06:01 PM

where the hell have you been hiding?

good to see you around, sorry about Patterson. :thumbsup

Not really on ants much anymore. the pace is too slow. spending a lot of time on ufck. but i'll be around for bball tourney and shit.

UNC41

02-29-2008, 06:02 PM

clayj41

02-29-2008, 06:07 PM

If you want to take about nice draws ...

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/10639109

:thumbsup The West is stacked though!

SmoothD41

02-29-2008, 06:11 PM

pat patterson must have OD'd on boogers.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=h1tIoqzWH8I

In all seriousness though, that sucks Kentucky fans. Sorry

GavMan33

02-29-2008, 06:48 PM

If you want to take about nice draws ...

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/10639109

:shrug I'm disappointed that you say that....

JRod1229

02-29-2008, 06:55 PM

GavMan33

02-29-2008, 07:05 PM

It just pains me to see how uneducated people sound when they talk. Unbelievable. All, I talk college hoop, and I have a huge ego when talking college hoop, because I know my shit. I'm sorry, I'm not like this as a person, I promise. But when it comes to hoop, trust me, I know my shit. And it just pains me to my very soul to see how uneducated people sound when they speak.

The two threads I post in regularly are here and the Yankees thread, cuz I'm a big Yankees fan. I've been watching the Yanks since I can remember, and I think they emulate class in baseball (but this isn't a baseball room, didn't mean to push anybody's buttons). But I would never claim to know how to manage a baseball game. About minor league systems. About a kid coming out of AAA that I've read things about, but never seen. Why? Because I don't know. I'm not educated in that part of the game. So I keep my mouth shut.

You wanna see me fired up? This is about the best you'll get from me over the computer. Meet me in person, I can get pretty shitty. And cuz all my friends know what buttons to push to get me to go off, they like seeing me get all heated :lol Talk shit about Patrick Ewing, it's over :lol

My story's a bit different than the Carolina lifers. I too was a Carolina guy, from Upstate New York. I just really liked Dean Smith. Surprisingly, I remember quite a bit of that 93 NCAA Final, really enjoyed watching Donald Williams and Eric Montross (man, what a bust he was in the pros). Okulaja was my favorite. But you know, that was pretty casual. I hate the term bandwagon, but I hate the people that fit the definition.

I fell in love with Xavier when I went to school there. Not just hoop, but the school. So I haven't rooted for Xavier since 1993. I've rooted for Xavier since 2004. And what year is the second year on my tombstone, that'll be the year I stopped....

I like writing here. I kinda wanna be a sports writer, and this is a nice spot for me to do a little bit of writing. Random I know, but whatever.

Justin, any news on college?

GavMan33

02-29-2008, 07:07 PM

this news make me not want to even watch anymore basketball... all year long... damn injuries... yah, i know they wouldn't of made it past the first weekend (prob) but still... it makes it more exciting when you get there, and they've always been there... at least since I was 6... don't give up cats... prove me wrong!

All you UK guys that showed up outta nowhere. What's all this garbage about your season being over cuz a guy's hurt? Personally, I didn't think you'd get a bid regardless. But I guarantee you every guy in that locker room is still gonna play just as hard to get there. Don't put everything you got onto one guy bro....

whygohome?

02-29-2008, 07:22 PM

GavMan33

02-29-2008, 07:22 PM

Just got a tip. Xavier is entering into a home-and-home next season with Butler. So the big games nonconference we're looking at are home to Auburn, @ Virginia, @ Kansas State, @ Southern Illinois, vs. Butler, the annual game vs. Miami at home this year, @ Cincinnati, and I imagine you'll see 1 or 2 more high-majors still to come on that list....

UNC41

02-29-2008, 07:26 PM

:shrug I'm disappointed that you say that....

I think there are six teams that have separated themselves from the pack, and out of the other two who are No. 2 seeds I can't imagine Duke being put in Carolina's bracket.

EDIT: Plus that puts UNC in the East Regional.

JRod1229

02-29-2008, 08:08 PM

All you UK guys that showed up outta nowhere. What's all this garbage about your season being over cuz a guy's hurt? Personally, I didn't think you'd get a bid regardless. But I guarantee you every guy in that locker room is still gonna play just as hard to get there. Don't put everything you got onto one guy bro....

out of no where? you do realize we've been here all year... and keep another thread going with basically 4-5 people... when you have 3 scoring options, and you lose one... it hurts... look at the Houston game... don't tell me how to act when one of our best players go down.. sadly we don't have the depth of UNC to just overcome it so quickly...

UNLTrpt

02-29-2008, 08:18 PM

the fan breakdown in this thread is pretty lopsided, but fun....

Kansas - 1
USC - 1
Xavier - 1
Arizona - 1 or 2
Oregon - 1
Nebraska -1
Villanova - 1
Georgetown - 1
Indiana - 2
Kentucky - 3
Duke - 1
Oklahoma - 2
UNC - 2,345

:lol :lol

I know there's at least 2 Nebraska fans. There's a Ok. St. fan, a Texas A&M fan...but yeah...that's pretty close.

justinandimcool

02-29-2008, 09:39 PM

Bob you forgot chiznaz on your list, huge Texas A&M guy.

Justin, any news on college?

I'm actually in San Francisco right now, checked out San Jose State today (let's hear it for the WAC :lol). I actually really like it, HELL of a lot better area than the slum USC's campus is set in. So it's gonna be a close race as to where I attend. I DON'T like how SJSU's colors are blue and gold (:vomit) so if I attend I'll be sure to spread some cardinal and gold around campus. But I really like the area, only a 5 hour drive away from my house, occupational therapy program, hopefully I can get invovled with basketball. We'll see. I'm not even accepted into USC yet :lorraine

I'm missing alot of games this weekend since I'll probably be out exploring the Bay Area for the first time, but boy am I PISSED to hear about Patterson. What a punch in the gut for UK fans, and I was looking forward to them making a run. Damn, what terrible news.

Since we're talking about how our allegiances started, I'll go tell my story. It was in 1999 I believe, when I caught a game where guard Adam Spanich intercepted a pass against Oregon with .9 of a second left and hit a half-court three to win the game.

Of course back then I was all Lakers, and I only saw college once in a while, rooting for home teams, meaning USC and UCLA at the same time (:vomit. to be 9 years old and stupid again). I remember watching alot of USC/UCLA players from when I was 9-11 years old; Brian Scalabrine, Jeff Trepagnier, Sam Clancy, Earl Watson, Baron Davis, Trevor Ariza.

But Adam Spanich continued to make awesome buzzer beaters, including 2 buzzer beaters to force OT and 2OT against UCLA, I think. Eventually I decided that USC was my favorite team, because of that :lol I guess whenever I wasn't watching a Laker game I'd find myself watching USC and rooting for them every time. This carried on to 7th and 8th grade up until 2006, when all I still cared about was March Madness and knew absolutely nothing else.

Then an epiphany came early last year, where I realized that the NBA is trash (aside from a few players/teams) and that I had fallen in love with college basketball. So as a huge fan in 2007, and a DIEHARD college basketball fan in 2008, I decided to remain what I decided I was when I was a 10 year old casual fan, a Trojan.

But I'm not the type who gives up on the season if USC is playing shitty. I truly believe that I'd still be just as into the Madness if USC wasn't doing well this year. Personally it's just the beauty of CBB- you pick a team you're loyal to, but don't let your love for one team blind you from the greatness of the game itself.

TapNorris

02-29-2008, 09:51 PM

justinandimcool

02-29-2008, 10:00 PM

Oh hey, look at this Bracketology matchup.

(7) Southern California (18-9)
(10) Baylor (18-8)

(2) XAVIER (24-4)
(15) BELMONT (20-8)

I think Baylor will be tough, alot of good athletes to keep up with us. Belmont however, I think will be an easy win in the 2nd round. Wuddup back to back Sweet 16's.

Not a fan of Lunardi giving up on UK already.

And apparently Arizona's good enough for him to think they're an 8 seed. WHAT NOW DUSTIN :lol

If you guys look at the link, I think UNC's side of the bracket is a cakewalk. I don't think these teams run well enough or defend well enough against the Heels- Xavier, Vandy, Butler, USC, Marquette, A&M. The only tough matchup is Louisville. Nothing really stands out as a huge inside threat for Hansbrough, and for a healthy Lawson, I don't know who can defend that fast break.

I think Arizona State is a loss away from the NIT. And Washington State, Drake, Marquette, would be DELICIOUS 5 seeds to pick an upset over. WSU is a great shooting team, and Cowgill provides a decent inside presence, but they always put forth the identity as "soft". And absolutely NOTHING about Marquette impresses me outside of Dominic James. And we all know Drake is Drake.

Upsets I would pick: 11 MiamiFL over 6 Butler, 12 UAB over 5 Marquette, 11Oklahoma over 6 St. Mary's, 12 Arkansas over 5 Drake, I'd be tempted to pick New Mexico over WSU, but I haven't seen much of the Lobos. Florida is DANGEROUS for Kansas State, as well as Baylor for USC.

With Lunardi's bracket, my Elite 8 would be:

UNC vs Louisville
Purdue vs Kansas
UCLA vs Texas
Indiana vs Georgetown

UNC, KU, Texas, GU

KU wins.

Of course, Binghamton could always steal a bid and upset them in the 1st round.

nhl123_2000

02-29-2008, 10:16 PM

On a side note: for anyone who followed the previous post about the UNC sneakers. I just got an email - I'll be picking up the special edition kicks on Monday evening. Will post pictures when I get back.

And I think it would be a great match up to see the heels play KU in the final 4. Lots of hype likely cause of the Roy situation.

Looking forward to (hopefully) seeing a healthier team and lawson tomorrow.

nhl123_2000

02-29-2008, 10:18 PM

woo! 300 posts after only like 4+ years

clayj41

03-01-2008, 01:23 AM

Okulaja was my favorite.

:thumbsup One of my favorite Tar Heels!

smeritt

03-01-2008, 01:41 AM

Bob you forgot chiznaz on your list, huge Texas A&M guy.

I'm actually in San Francisco right now, checked out San Jose State today (let's hear it for the WAC :lol). I actually really like it, HELL of a lot better area than the slum USC's campus is set in. So it's gonna be a close race as to where I attend. I DON'T like how SJSU's colors are blue and gold (:vomit) so if I attend I'll be sure to spread some cardinal and gold around campus. But I really like the area, only a 5 hour drive away from my house, occupational therapy program, hopefully I can get invovled with basketball. We'll see. I'm not even accepted into USC yet :lorraine

I'm missing alot of games this weekend since I'll probably be out exploring the Bay Area for the first time, but boy am I PISSED to hear about Patterson. What a punch in the gut for UK fans, and I was looking forward to them making a run. Damn, what terrible news.

Since we're talking about how our allegiances started, I'll go tell my story. It was in 1999 I believe, when I caught a game where guard Adam Spanich intercepted a pass against Oregon with .9 of a second left and hit a half-court three to win the game.

Of course back then I was all Lakers, and I only saw college once in a while, rooting for home teams, meaning USC and UCLA at the same time (:vomit. to be 9 years old and stupid again). I remember watching alot of USC/UCLA players from when I was 9-11 years old; Brian Scalabrine, Jeff Trepagnier, Sam Clancy, Earl Watson, Baron Davis, Trevor Ariza.

But Adam Spanich continued to make awesome buzzer beaters, including 2 buzzer beaters to force OT and 2OT against UCLA, I think. Eventually I decided that USC was my favorite team, because of that :lol I guess whenever I wasn't watching a Laker game I'd find myself watching USC and rooting for them every time. This carried on to 7th and 8th grade up until 2006, when all I still cared about was March Madness and knew absolutely nothing else.

Then an epiphany came early last year, where I realized that the NBA is trash (aside from a few players/teams) and that I had fallen in love with college basketball. So as a huge fan in 2007, and a DIEHARD college basketball fan in 2008, I decided to remain what I decided I was when I was a 10 year old casual fan, a Trojan.

But I'm not the type who gives up on the season if USC is playing shitty. I truly believe that I'd still be just as into the Madness if USC wasn't doing well this year. Personally it's just the beauty of CBB- you pick a team you're loyal to, but don't let your love for one team blind you from the greatness of the game itself.No lovwe for U of A? I know you bleed USC colors but awesome campus man. Great baseball

seekupig

03-01-2008, 11:28 AM

Gameday from Lawrence, KS..... :multi

seekupig

03-01-2008, 11:34 AM

And apparently Arizona's good enough for him to think they're an 8 seed. WHAT NOW DUSTIN :lol

from ESPN this morning......

No. 4 UCLA at Arizona (Sunday, 4 ET)
After Thursday's home loss to USC, this game suddenly is a lot more important for the Wildcats. If they lose here, they'd be 7-9 in the Pac-10 heading to the Oregon schools for the final weekend. If they can't get it done at McArthur Court, end up 8-10 and then lose in the Pac-10 quarters, is it possible the Cats -- even with the No. 1 strength of schedule in the land -- could miss the dance? Hmmm…

WHAT NOW JUSTIN :lol

UNC41

03-01-2008, 11:48 AM

Arizona making the tournament? Gameday in Kansas? Can we talk about what's really important????

There's a good chance Ty Lawson plays today. :multi :bounce :multi :bounce :multi :bounce

GavMan33

03-01-2008, 11:53 AM

Arizona making the tournament? Gameday in Kansas? Can we talk about what's really important????

There's a good chance Ty Lawson plays today. :multi :bounce :multi :bounce :multi :bounce

And after 5 days off, Drew Lavender is getting closer to 100 percent :D :thumbsup

UNC41

03-01-2008, 12:03 PM

And after 5 days off, Drew Lavender is getting closer to 100 percent :D :thumbsup

A couple of Top 10 teams getting the guy who runs their offense bad. Good things my man.

seekupig

03-01-2008, 12:10 PM

my favorite t-shirt i've seen at Gameday so far......

you can't spell

SUCK

without

KSU

UNC41

03-01-2008, 12:25 PM

The Fire Millen sign I just saw is the best. Nothing like a Lions fan in Kansas bringing that sign to Gameday ...

UNLTrpt

03-01-2008, 12:26 PM

I think today is a really big day in the Big 12.

Of course ya got KSU-KU.

But lots of games to decide a lot of the shape of the standings.
Nebraska/Oklahoma St
A&M/Oklahoma
Baylor/Missouri

seekupig

03-01-2008, 12:36 PM

Michael Beasley is the most arrogant college basketball player i can remember seeing in a long time..... what an asshole.

i think he's a lot better than Tyler Hansbrough, but i hope Tyler wins NPOY.

UNC41

03-01-2008, 12:44 PM

Michael Beasley is the most arrogant college basketball player i can remember seeing in a long time..... what an asshole.

i think he's a lot better than Tyler Hansbrough, but i hope Tyler wins NPOY.

If you judge by numbers alone Beasley is the most deserving. Beasley, however, has disappeared for big stretches in two of the past three games, both K-State losses, as his team has slipped back on the bubble.

And why did Kansas put their ugliest cheerleader in the front row?

willthethrill

03-01-2008, 12:45 PM

smeritt

03-01-2008, 12:45 PM

willthethrill

03-01-2008, 12:48 PM

He is leaps and boudns the best player in the NCAA, you'd be a little arrogant too.
Too bad he's not a little arrogant.

seekupig

03-01-2008, 12:50 PM

Herb Sendek cut a music video for NC State fans........ :lol

"Hello...... is it me you're looking for?"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DwOou2hDhQo

smeritt

03-01-2008, 12:51 PM

Too bad he's not a little arrogant.Touche sir. Not saying I like the kid, but he is the best player in a long time bar none.

nhl123_2000

03-01-2008, 01:13 PM

I think it's pretty interesting how some people feel about NPOY. On some occasions I've heard people say Tyler is a run-away favorite due to the longevity of his career and success on his team. While on the other hand some think Beasley is the heavy favorite.

We all know where my vote lies though. Just a few more hours till game time.

seekupig

03-01-2008, 01:15 PM

willthethrill

03-01-2008, 01:25 PM

Herb Sendek cut a music video for NC State fans........ :lol

"Hello...... is it me you're looking for?"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DwOou2hDhQo
Yea, I saw that last week. Pretty funny. Can't believe the Buzz did that.

UNLTrpt

03-01-2008, 01:28 PM

Too bad he's not a little arrogant.

he's a lot arrogant

seekupig

03-01-2008, 01:35 PM

i know the talks of Duke and officiating gets old, but these refs have been pathetic so far....

willthethrill

03-01-2008, 01:40 PM

i know the talks of Duke and officiating gets old, but these refs have been pathetic so far....
They really have. The inconsistency of ACC refs blows my mind.

Is it a fool's dream that State might actually play this well in the second half?

seekupig

03-01-2008, 01:43 PM

They really have. The inconsistency of ACC refs blows my mind.

Is it a fool's dream that State might actually play this well in the second half?

yes. :lol

only because we have yet to see.....

http://scheyerface.com/

UNC41

03-01-2008, 02:16 PM

it's not a lifetime achievement award, though some voters will probably use that as an excuse to not to give it to Douchebag Beasley....

I hope Hansbrough doesn't win it because he's is a junior and Beasley is a sophomore.

I hope Hansbrough wins because his numbers are similar and he is a more efficient scorer. I hope Hansbrough wins because he has elevated his game when the catalyst of North Carolina's offense has been out while Beasley has disappeared for long stretches in two out of the last three games while Kansas State drifts toward the bubble.

clayj41

03-01-2008, 02:41 PM

He is leaps and boudns the best player in the NCAA, you'd be a little arrogant too.

Straight from the mouth of a Yankees fan...:rolleyes

GavMan33

03-01-2008, 02:46 PM

Straight from the mouth of a Yankees fan...:rolleyes

Hey big fella, calm down there. Gotta jump in and defend my boy, a New Yorker far from home ;)

clayj41

03-01-2008, 02:54 PM

Hey big fella, calm down there. Gotta jump in and defend my boy, a New Yorker far from home ;)

Since I respect you Bob, I will kindly oblige. :)

UNC41

03-01-2008, 03:00 PM

Duke is forcing things offensively.

kydmb99

03-01-2008, 03:03 PM

Fuck college basketball. :lorraine

clayj41

03-01-2008, 03:08 PM

Fuck college basketball. :lorraine

Eh, even when your team has a down year, nothing compares to March Madness.

UNC41

03-01-2008, 03:10 PM

NC State played 36 minutes of fantastic basketball and is going to lose.

seekupig

03-01-2008, 03:12 PM

and Syracuse just pulled off a collapse for the ages..... not what you want to see out of a bubble team playing at home....

kydmb99

03-01-2008, 03:13 PM

Eh, even when your team has a down year, nothing compares to March Madness.

Ehh... I don't know... If UK isn't in the tourney, I honestly won't care a whole lot who wins or loses. I'll watch, but I won't get that into it. I guess I'll probably pull for KU.

clayj41

03-01-2008, 03:16 PM

Ehh... I don't know... If UK isn't in the tourney, I honestly won't care a whole lot who wins or loses. I'll watch, but I won't get that into it. I guess I'll probably pull for KU.

Oh it definitely sucks, but I still like watching the conference tournaments, filling out bracket pools...basically having college basketball consume my life for a month.

clayj41

03-01-2008, 03:17 PM

Stupid Wolfpack...:twak

willthethrill

03-01-2008, 03:18 PM

Once again the refs hand a game to Duke. How that last foul was called on McCauley I don't know. They should've hit their FTs, but there was absolutely no contact on that foul.

clayj41

03-01-2008, 03:20 PM

The montage they just showed with JJ Redick crying made me feel a little better about Coach K getting his 800th win.

seekupig

03-01-2008, 03:22 PM

Once again the refs hand a game to Duke. How that last foul was called on McCauley I don't know. They should've hit their FTs, but there was absolutely no contact on that foul.

i wasn't going to bring it up, but since you did.....

i've rewinded and watched the play five times since the game ended and it was complete bullshit. the Duke player took about four steps AND hooked McCauley with his left arm going to the basket and they call a foul against State. those two FT's were the last two points scored in the game.... :BANG

UNC41

03-01-2008, 03:26 PM

Yeah, phantom call on McCauley. I also thought he got pushed out of bounds on the next State possession. But at the end of the day Gavin Grant was right. NC State didn't lose more than four games all year ... to UNC and Duke.

nhl123_2000

03-01-2008, 03:35 PM

What a terrible call on McCauley. Also - no timeout from the kool-aid man (Sidney Lowe) with 4 seconds left?

Anyway - at least theres only an hour until we get to see the best ACC team play.

nhl123_2000

03-01-2008, 03:38 PM

Bryan - hopefully youll have a avatar after today's game.

willthethrill

03-01-2008, 03:51 PM

i wasn't going to bring it up, but since you did.....

i've rewinded and watched the play five times since the game ended and it was complete bullshit. the Duke player took about four steps AND hooked McCauley with his left arm going to the basket and they call a foul against State. those two FT's were the last two points scored in the game.... :BANG
I know. I hate to sound like a broken record, but that WAS that game. Absolutely no contact except for Nelson's arm wrapping McCauley.

seekupig

03-01-2008, 03:55 PM

Bryan - hopefully youll have a avatar after today's game.

i'll nominate one for him.....

seekupig

03-01-2008, 04:13 PM

A&M isn't helping their tourney chances right now.....

18:12 to go in the game and they're down 33-10. :eek

kydmb99

03-01-2008, 04:38 PM

Texas A&M is one of the most poorly coached teams I've ever seen.

clayj41

03-01-2008, 04:40 PM

Are they really gonna show the rest of this AFL game before they switch to UNC!?!?! :BANG

clayj41

03-01-2008, 04:42 PM

i'll nominate one for him.....

I would steal that, but since I switched to my current avatar the Heels are 5-0.

thebestauntie

03-01-2008, 04:48 PM

Are they really gonna show the rest of this AFL game before they switch to UNC!?!?! :BANG
I specifically asked them to do that Clay. ;)

clayj41

03-01-2008, 04:49 PM

I specifically asked them to do that Clay. ;)

Get out of here LA...you don't belong! :p

thebestauntie

03-01-2008, 04:55 PM

Get out of here LA...you don't belong! :p
I go where you are Clay. :evil

seekupig

03-01-2008, 05:22 PM

on second thought, maybe this avatar would work better....

23 points, 6-6 three pointers, 8 minutes into the game. one of the best scoring displays to open a game that i've ever seen.

GavMan33

03-01-2008, 05:22 PM

After Wallace is fouled on a 3-pointer down 3 with 2.8 seconds left in regulation....

"I just realized something. Is today March 1? It's that kind of year folks. Buckle Up!" -Gus Johnson, in that wonderful tone that we all know and love :bounce :bounce :bounce

DMBCubs25

03-01-2008, 05:40 PM

wow rough loss for marquette

clayj41

03-01-2008, 05:41 PM

I've never seen ANYONE put on the type of shooting clinic that Tyrese Rice is right now...8 three-pointers and 34 points in the first half! :lorraine

Someone besides Hansbrough needs to be able to score or UNC doesn't stand a chance. :(

willthethrill

03-01-2008, 05:43 PM

Well this is fairly sucktackular.

UNLTrpt

03-01-2008, 06:38 PM

Could Nebraska please show up to a road game...please?!?!

clayj41

03-01-2008, 06:46 PM

What a comeback!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:multi :multi :multi

When Green and Ellington are hot, this team is almost unbeatable! As a team, their second half perimeter defense was the best they played all year. Lawson was also a lot more effective that I expected him to be. If nothing else, the turnover margin is so much better with him in the game. I'm not gonna get a chance to watch Tyler Zeller play now since I decided to watch the rest of this game, but it was worth it! Hello #1 ranking...:D

justinandimcool

03-01-2008, 07:29 PM

I MISSED EVERYTHING TODAY. Stupid college campus visiting.

Caught the last few seconds of TTU over Texas, damn, so much for their #1 status.

smeritt

03-01-2008, 08:34 PM

Straight from the mouth of a Yankees fan...:rolleyes;)You know it. There's a difference though between a little arrogance and Michael Beasley. A little arrogance can coincide with swagger and confidence, Michael Beasley is just a douche. So like I said go out score 40 points a game and have everyone and their mothers tell you your unbelievable and try not to get a big head.

justinandimcool

03-01-2008, 08:36 PM

What did Beasley actually say this time?

I remember against Nebraska he said he was gonna go for 50. And they lost :lol

nhl123_2000

03-01-2008, 08:41 PM

What a game today for the heels. We showed strength and a willingness to win (even when down 18 in the second half). Rice was simply incredible today - although it sucked having him do it against us.

Nice to see lawson out there once again and I think he will simply fall more and more in rhythm as the season closes.

One week till the showdown with the dookies..

willthethrill

03-01-2008, 08:50 PM

You hit it right on the head. It feels so good to have Lawson out there. I forgot how comfortable he makes me feel when he's handling the ball. My butthole's been clinching up a lot lately watching the Heels without him.:lol

Can't wait to see Paulus lying in a heap on the floor after Lawson breaks him apart.

justinandimcool

03-01-2008, 08:55 PM

What I hate more than Beasley's arrogance is Joey Dorsey's thuggery. That shit doesn't belong in college basketball (first at UAB fans, then the scuffle with Tennessee, then the scuffle with Southern Miss).

HolyCow

03-01-2008, 09:14 PM

Huge win for OU today. Finally they show a little urgency.

Strange that OU scored 12 points in the first half against NU and then held A&M to 10.

And I loved, loved, loved the throwbacks today. Should just make those the everyday unis.

UNC41

03-01-2008, 09:23 PM

Went to a sports bar to catch the Sioux hockey game and Tar Heel basketball game this afternoon. Well, we got seated in the corner and there was no UNC basketball game near me until Georgetown/Marquette ended so I missed the first half. Well, aside from the first couple of minutes that was just an insane half. It's so nice to have Ty back. The Heels finally looked like the Heels again.

EDIT: I'm horrible at sizing avatars, so if anyone would do a Ty one for me I'd really appreciate it.

justinandimcool

03-01-2008, 09:28 PM

Didn't have the USC game up here in San Francisco, but a 14 point loss with OJ Mayo with 37 points tells me everything. They probably didn't move the ball, they probably didn't go inside. Sheesh. No discipline.

justinandimcool

03-01-2008, 09:58 PM

And the first automatic bid goes to Cornell, from the Ivy League.

Only 64 to go. :multi :bounce

smeritt

03-01-2008, 10:12 PM

Im a Kansas fan tonight BABY. And how bout CORNELL YEA I KNOW PEOPLE THERE!!!! Lol

UNC41

03-01-2008, 10:19 PM

If K-State wants any chance they are going to have to bring Beasley in soon and then go to a zone to try and protecting from picking up fouls in man defense.

justinandimcool

03-01-2008, 10:20 PM

If K-State wants any chance they are going to have to bring Beasley in soon and then go to a zone to try and protecting from picking up fouls in man defense.

That's what I just told my dad. I'm pretty sure I learned it from you :hug

UNC41

03-01-2008, 10:36 PM

That's what I just told my dad. I'm pretty sure I learned it from you :hug

Kansas is a tough team to zone, but it's K-State's only option as they need Beasley on the court. The Jayhawks are playing like a team out for revenge.

smeritt

03-01-2008, 11:03 PM

K-state shouldn't be this close, I'd be worrying if I was KU

UNC41

03-02-2008, 12:00 AM

Kansas State is a group of individuals, many who have talent. Kansas is a team. It is so clear.

Beasley is talented as hell, but he doesn't play in the offense far too much and multiple times tonight I've seen him jogging back as the last guy on defense while Kansas ended up with a layup or open 3-point shot on the break.

UNC41

03-02-2008, 12:05 AM

Just watched a Kansas possession where Beasley didn't enter the screen until there was 26 seconds left on the shot clock. I don't care if you're down 15 with 2 minutes left, it's very weak.

JamesM

03-02-2008, 01:40 AM

Villanova needs it big tomorrow. Maybe no help though anyway.

NIT here we come........ :lorraine

nhl123_2000

03-02-2008, 02:00 AM

willthethrill - just noticed you're in CH as well. you go to school here man?

seekupig

03-02-2008, 02:54 AM

K-state shouldn't be this close, I'd be worrying if I was KU

:lol i'm shaking....

willthethrill

03-02-2008, 03:54 AM

willthethrill - just noticed you're in CH as well. you go to school here man?

Yea man, I'm a junior from Belmont, just west of Charlotte.

Bryan, check your PM in a bit, I'm gonna see what I can whip up for ya.

clayj41

03-02-2008, 04:06 AM

EDIT: I'm horrible at sizing avatars, so if anyone would do a Ty one for me I'd really appreciate it.

Here's my best effort Bryan. :shrug

GavMan33

03-02-2008, 11:01 AM

"This was the worst performance we've had in probably a year and a half" -Xavier head coach Sean Miller after X's apparently ugly 66-56 W over GW last night. Before the game, Drew Lavender said that he was between 75 and 80%, but I guess it was clear early he wasn't gonna be effective. I guess the ankle's a lot better, but now he's battling a respiratory infection. He played 16 minutes last night, missing his only shot. Xavier plays next Thursday night @ St. Joseph's on ESPN, 9pm. Your boy will be in the building; the last game in little 3,200-seat Alumni Fieldhouse as is. Construction will begin Friday to renovate the Fieldhouse, and St. Joe's will play all of their home games at the Palestra. So you can bet that SJU will bring it hard, and add to it that they really need it to boost their very bubbly NCAA resume.

Watching that Kansas/Kansas St. game, I'm reminded how much I love basketball. I love the way Kansas plays basketball. So unselfish. They get out and run. All day. I got some game film a couple weeks ago of Kansas. I just love the way they get out and run, all day. Dustin and I had a "conversation" I think last week when KU was the #1 seed and X the #2 in that latest bracketology. It'd be very very difficult to beat that Kansas team last night. Man they were fun to watch :D :D

seekupig

03-02-2008, 11:02 AM

:lol i'm shaking....

<---- this asshole had way too much to drink last night......

Rob D

03-02-2008, 11:09 AM

<---- this asshole had way too much to drink last night......

shut up, bitch.

Rob D

03-02-2008, 11:12 AM

nhl123_2000

03-02-2008, 11:25 AM

Nice man - I'm a senior from way up in Yankeeland, but I'm loving down here in the southern part of heaven.

I need an avatar too - anyone wanna help me?

Rob D

03-02-2008, 11:26 AM

Nice man - I'm a senior from way up in Yankeeland, but I'm loving down here in the southern part of heaven.

I need an avatar too - anyone wanna help me?

i'm a ny transplant at unc, also. go heels.

nhl123_2000

03-02-2008, 11:32 AM

Nice Rob - me too. Where in NY?

seekupig

03-02-2008, 11:35 AM

shut up, bitch.

:lol :lol

what's up?

seekupig

03-02-2008, 11:39 AM

I need an avatar too - anyone wanna help me?

sure....

seekupig

03-02-2008, 11:46 AM

being serious now, here's a tarheel avatar that i don't think anyone else has...

willthethrill

03-02-2008, 12:16 PM

Here's some Ty one's.

nhl123_2000

03-02-2008, 12:32 PM

I decided to be avatarless, it's worked so far. haha

willthethrill

03-02-2008, 12:35 PM

Not really an avatar, but far more entertaining.

nhl123_2000

03-02-2008, 12:46 PM

Will -
what do you think of Beasley vs Tyler for NPOY?

willthethrill

03-02-2008, 01:19 PM

Will -
what do you think of Beasley vs Tyler for NPOY?
Well obviously Beasley has the better future ahead of him, and he's got a buttload of talent. I don't think that the voters can only look at scoring average and similar stats for the POY. I mean, the fact speaks for itself: 4 straight losses. What kind of NPOY lets his team lose 4 straight times? And don't tell me that team isn't talented. They have a lot of good players, but Beasley isn't powering his team to wins.

Hansbrough has been extremely effective since Ty went down. I think ABC showed a graphic yesterday about Beasley and Hansbrough in the month of February and they had almost the exact same numbers. Tyler had a few more points, Beasley a few more rebounds. The difference? Team record and FG shooting. Beasley shot something like 47% in February while Tyler shot 55%. Tyler has always been the more efficient player. Now maybe some of that is a byproduct of the talent around T-Hans, but it's hard to deny his efficiency on the offensive end of the floor (not to mention how much his D has stepped up with regard to drawing charges and stealing the ball).

UNC was 6-1 in Feb. KState was 3-5. They've lost 4 straight. They lost to the likes of Missouri, Texas Tech, and Nebraska (no offense Husker fans). Those are teams they should've beaten. Plus he's a cocky SOB and that might turn some voters off. (right?)

In the end, I think they split POY awards. There's like 5 to go around, so I'm sure each will probably win 2.

nhl123_2000

03-02-2008, 01:41 PM

You stole the words out of my mouth. It's great being able to see someone play live in the dome knowing that their name will be up there with the greats soon.

Got tix to FSU?

UNC41

03-02-2008, 01:43 PM

<---- this asshole had way too much to drink last night......

NEXT!!!:D

JamesM

03-02-2008, 02:39 PM

N-O-V-A Go Nova Go!

SmoothG

03-02-2008, 02:39 PM

Arizona needs a big win today against UCLA. Senior day. 5 people being honored. Lute to show up from what I heard. Now we just need to Chase to actually show up to a game and give Bayless a hand. Oh, and for Hill not to get into foul trouble and McClellan to hit a couple of shots. If we don't win this we will need to sweep Oregon and Oregon State. Hard to imagine a tournament without the Cats. It has been 23 years...

UNC41

03-02-2008, 02:51 PM

Win or lose, this is a gutsy performance by Kentucky.

clayj41

03-02-2008, 03:28 PM

sure....

That looks like Big Bird's retarded cousin. :lol

Here's some Ty one's.

Nice work man! Mind working on some Hansbrough one's for me. :)

Win or lose, this is a gutsy performance by Kentucky.

:thumbsup Their season is far from over. They should still go deep in the SEC tourney.

GavMan33

03-02-2008, 03:40 PM

NEXT!!!:D

Arizona needs a big win today against UCLA. Senior day. 5 people being honored. Lute to show up from what I heard. Now we just need to Chase to actually show up to a game and give Bayless a hand. Oh, and for Hill not to get into foul trouble and McClellan to hit a couple of shots. If we don't win this we will need to sweep Oregon and Oregon State. Hard to imagine a tournament without the Cats. It has been 23 years...

:lol Good call Bryan

Here's my problem with Arizona. Lute Olson got up after a game where AZ lost in the Elite Eight, this is only a few years ago, maybe the game they blew in 05? Anyway, Olson gets up there pained, and talked about how sad he was that the senior class went through without playing in a Final Four, and how horrible he felt about it. That's what it is. These big schools just think they have the right to be in a Final Four every couple years. Don't get me wrong, I really like Lute Olson. It just really speaks volumes about how schools like this think. That they deserve to be in Final Fours....

SmoothD41

03-02-2008, 04:03 PM

worst defense I've ever seen in college basketball, michigan state shooting 90 percent in the 1st half, 59 points at halftime, missed dunks, worst defense I've ever seen in college basketball, michigan state shooting 90 percent in the 1st half, 59 points at halftime, missed dunks,
worst defense I've ever seen in college basketball, michigan state shooting 90 percent in the 1st half, 59 points at halftime, missed dunks, worst defense I've ever seen in college basketball, michigan state shooting 90 percent in the 1st half, 59 points at halftime, missed dunks,
worst defense I've ever seen in college basketball, michigan state shooting 90 percent in the 1st half, 59 points at halftime, missed dunks, worst defense I've ever seen in college basketball, michigan state shooting 90 percent in the 1st half, 59 points at halftime, missed dunks,
worst defense I've ever seen in college basketball, michigan state shooting 90 percent in the 1st half, 59 points at halftime, missed dunks, worst defense I've ever seen in college basketball, michigan state shooting 90 percent in the 1st half, 59 points at halftime, missed dunks,
worst defense I've ever seen in college basketball, michigan state shooting 90 percent in the 1st half, 59 points at halftime, missed dunks, worst defense I've ever seen in college basketball, michigan state shooting 90 percent in the 1st half, 59 points at halftime, missed dunks

IU = dunzo.

JamesM

03-02-2008, 04:24 PM

Go Villanova!

nhl123_2000

03-02-2008, 04:34 PM

Was kind of hoping KU would have pulled it out. Good game and effort none-the-less.

Shoe Update for those who care - today I got an invite to the 2008 "Be True" fan banquet - it's tomorrow and I'm getting a chance to pick up a pair (and maybe two ) of the (and I quote) "exclusive Carolina Nike Dunks".

I'll let yall know how they look.

dreamingtreeIU

03-02-2008, 04:44 PM

Yeah, I don't think Michigan State has missed a shot yet.

Rob D

03-02-2008, 04:52 PM

Nice Rob - me too. Where in NY?

born and raised in sch'dy, undergrad in Ithaca, parents retired to saratoga. you?

nhl123_2000

03-02-2008, 05:50 PM

Long Island (yea yea - save the comments) haha. Finishing up undergrad here in CH this semester. Then I'm bound for the nation's capital.

clayj41

03-02-2008, 05:53 PM

Long Island (yea yea - save the comments) haha. Finishing up undergrad here in CH this semester. Then I'm bound for the nation's capital.

Hopefully you'll receive a National Championship as an early graduation present. :cool

GavMan33

03-02-2008, 05:55 PM

born and raised in sch'dy, undergrad in Ithaca, parents retired to saratoga. you?

I see you. Clifton Park here :thumbsup

JamesM

03-02-2008, 05:58 PM

Fuck CBS regional coverage...... im getting UCLA Zona instead of Nova Louisville

GavMan33

03-02-2008, 05:58 PM

Seth Green just said if Nova beats Louisville, punch their ticket. Even still, if they beat South Florida and then Providence, plus one win in the Big East Tourney, they're still in. Really, that's all they need to do?

GavMan33

03-02-2008, 05:59 PM

Fuck CBS regional coverage...... im getting UCLA Zona instead of Nova Louisville

Ouch bro. You're down at Auburn and you're getting Zona/UCLA? That's kind of odd if you ask me....

HolyCow

03-02-2008, 06:16 PM

Blake Griffin has a partially torn MCL and had surgery today. It says he'll be out until the "postseason," whatever that means. :lorraine

clayj41

03-02-2008, 06:27 PM

Fuck CBS regional coverage...... im getting UCLA Zona instead of Nova Louisville

I'll trade you. :lol

clayj41

03-02-2008, 06:28 PM

Blake Griffin has a partially torn MCL and had surgery today. It says he'll be out until the "postseason," whatever that means. :lorraine

Ouch, that hurts. What's their remaining regular season schedule look like?

HolyCow

03-02-2008, 06:29 PM

Ouch, that hurts. What's their remaining regular season schedule look like?
@ Oklahoma State
Missouri

EDIT: Check that, it's a partially torn medial meniscus. Not MCL.

nhl123_2000

03-02-2008, 06:35 PM

Yea Clay - it would certainly be nice to bookend my stay here at Carolina with to national championships. Did you see my post earlier with the shoe update?

clayj41

03-02-2008, 06:35 PM

@ Oklahoma State
Missouri

EDIT: Check that, it's a partially torn medial meniscus. Not MCL.

I think you guys should be alright. It always hurts losing your #1 option though.

The Nova-Louisville game was getting out of hand, so CBS switched to UCLA-Zona coverage. :thumbsup

clayj41

03-02-2008, 06:36 PM

Yea Clay - it would certainly be nice to bookend my stay here at Carolina with to national championships. Did you see my post earlier with the shoe update?

Yeah, very cool! Remember to get me a pair. ;) :p

GavMan33

03-02-2008, 07:01 PM

Blake Griffin has a partially torn MCL and had surgery today. It says he'll be out until the "postseason," whatever that means. :lorraine

@ Oklahoma State
Missouri

EDIT: Check that, it's a partially torn medial meniscus. Not MCL.

Much better. MCL means you're on the shelf for several months. I don't know what a meniscus injury means, but it can't be too bad if it says he'll be back for the postseason. You think that means Big 12 Tourney, or does that mean NCAAs?

HolyCow

03-02-2008, 07:07 PM

Much better. MCL means you're on the shelf for several months. I don't know what a meniscus injury means, but it can't be too bad if it says he'll be back for the postseason. You think that means Big 12 Tourney, or does that mean NCAAs?
That's what I'm wondering. Because it's a little presumtive to think OU is going to the tourney. I'm thinking they mean Big 12.

And look out now, latest Bracketology has Xavier as a 2! Very nice work. :thumbsup

GavMan33

03-02-2008, 07:58 PM

That's what I'm wondering. Because it's a little presumtive to think OU is going to the tourney. I'm thinking they mean Big 12.

And look out now, latest Bracketology has Xavier as a 2! Very nice work. :thumbsup

Thanks Royce. Personally, I think Xavier's more likely to get a 4-seed than to get a 2-seed. Obviously if we win our last two to get to 15-1 in the A-10, and then win the A-10 Tournament to get to 30-4, then I don't see how we don't get a 2. Getting to the final and losing gives us a 3-seed, and less than that is a 4-seed. I also think it's very possible we lose @ St. Joe's this Thursday night, being the energy that's going to be in that place (the Fieldhouse is undergoing renovations the next day, and won't open until the 2009-2010 season). If we lose that game, and lose again in the A-10 Tourney, it's a 4-seed. So yeah, it's nice Lunardi's had us as a 2 for a week and a half or so. But I'm still bracing for a 4 rather than a 2; I just hope we get sent to Washington DC....

That Big 12 Conference has all of a sudden become a shitshow. It's an upscale version of the Atlantic 10 :lol

kydmb99

03-02-2008, 08:47 PM

Win or lose, this is a gutsy performance by Kentucky.

:thumbsup :thumbsup

VERY proud of the Cats today.

SmoothG

03-02-2008, 09:42 PM

:lol Good call Bryan

Here's my problem with Arizona. Lute Olson got up after a game where AZ lost in the Elite Eight, this is only a few years ago, maybe the game they blew in 05? Anyway, Olson gets up there pained, and talked about how sad he was that the senior class went through without playing in a Final Four, and how horrible he felt about it. That's what it is. These big schools just think they have the right to be in a Final Four every couple years. Don't get me wrong, I really like Lute Olson. It just really speaks volumes about how schools like this think. That they deserve to be in Final Fours....

Wow, I understand some people feel the bigger conferences get more bids yada yada but I truly don't understand where you are coming from at all. Teams earn their ways to Final Fours because they were good. It was his first class in 20 years that didn't make a Final Four (if you played at Arizona for 4 years). I don't think he was saying they deserve to be in the Final Four in anyway. Arizona is one of the best teams of the past 20 years and have worked hard and earned every bit of it. I think you took that completely the wrong way. In fact, I'm a little baffled at how you could misinterpret that so wrong. Just my .02...

GavMan33

03-02-2008, 10:10 PM

Wow, I understand some people feel the bigger conferences get more bids yada yada but I truly don't understand where you are coming from at all. Teams earn their ways to Final Fours because they were good. It was his first class in 20 years that didn't make a Final Four (if you played at Arizona for 4 years). I don't think he was saying they deserve to be in the Final Four in anyway. Arizona is one of the best teams of the past 20 years and have worked hard and earned every bit of it. I think you took that completely the wrong way. In fact, I'm a little baffled at how you could misinterpret that so wrong. Just my .02...

Hm. Not gonna lie, I appreciate that. Somebody tells someone they think they're wrong, and then explain why they feel that way. Honest, thanks for the response; I appreciate when someone takes some actual time and thought into a response....

I dunno what to say, I don't have any good stats or anything like that. Just how I feel I guess....

GavMan33

03-02-2008, 10:20 PM

Speaking of Lute Olson, I heard somewhere today (maybe the game?) that there's become a huge rift between Kevin O'Neill and Olson. So bad to the point that one will not be back next year from what I heard. If Olson comes back, and it seems like he will, then O'Neill will take off for somewhere else, and AZ will have to look elsewhere for a successor to Olson. Don't know what to think of that one....

SoRight24

03-02-2008, 10:21 PM

justinandimcool

03-02-2008, 10:34 PM

Travis. :thumbsdow

justinandimcool

03-02-2008, 10:50 PM

What a fucking game. Clemson. Oglesby. Jesus.

ps. Happy March guys :)

clayj41

03-02-2008, 11:28 PM

Lute should just walk away now.

What's the point in coming back?

The guy is nearly 80 years old.

20 wins away from 800...;)

smeritt

03-02-2008, 11:53 PM

I would just like to thank Kirk Walters for passing up a wide open 10 footer with 5 seconds to go to cost us overtime against the #4 team in the nation and guaranteed at large bid to the NCAA tournament. thank you Kirk now we have to go to Oregon and come away with a sweep of the two teams to get in. Either that or win the Pac-10 tournament. Thanks Kirk

justinandimcool

03-03-2008, 01:54 AM

I'm fairly confident they sweep Oregon. Pac-10 tourney will be crazy, so U of A's season definitely rides on that. But I think they deserver an at-large anyway if they sweep Oregon teams.

ANYWAYS:

http://collegebasketball.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1146&CID=779726

So. Fucking excited. I'm looking to catch all of it. Only happens one week out of the year anyways :D

clayj41

03-03-2008, 02:15 AM

ANYWAYS:

http://collegebasketball.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1146&CID=779726

So. Fucking excited. I'm looking to catch all of it. Only happens one week out of the year anyways :D

:thumbsup I will be watching diligently the next two weeks.

UNC41

03-03-2008, 02:23 AM

Send polls to me by noon Central tomorrow.

Also, I sat down tonight and decided to start a blog. I've missed writing way too much. The first post highlights the teams I like to win it all, the ones who aren't quite there and sleepers. I'm going to find somewhere to host it tomorrow and will post here, but I feel rusty as all hell so don't expect much.

kydmb99

03-03-2008, 03:47 AM

Wow, I really think this years Conference Tournament week is going to be something fun to watch.... One of the best times of the year coming up. :)

seekupig

03-03-2008, 09:30 AM

Was kind of hoping KU would have pulled it out. Good game and effort none-the-less.

i think i speak for Kansas and Kentucky fans everywhere when i say that it bothers me greatly when people can't get KU and UK right when talking about the two teams...... :BANG

:lol

GavMan33

03-03-2008, 09:56 AM

i think i speak for Kansas and Kentucky fans everywhere when i say that it bothers me greatly when people can't get KU and UK right when talking about the two teams...... :BANG

:lol

:lol Nice Dustin.

Bryan, great idea, I look forward to reading your blog.

:D :D Conference Championship Week is Christmas in March. Basketball, all day, everday, for two weeks (almost). So far I'm looking at:

Got tix to the MAAC Quarters, Semis, and Finals, since they're right here in Albany. Hopefully there will be some good games there....

Big East Tournament First Round tickets (Wednesday). Skip class Wednesday, take the train down, and hit up both sessions.

Atlantic 10 Tournament Semis and Finals. Can't skip a bunch of school, so I'm gonna wait till after my classes on Friday, then book down to Atlantic City with my dad. Last year we didn't stay for the A-10 Title cuz Xavier sent us home early. Hopefully that won't happen this year.

Other than that, games on TV. All the time. Oh gentlemen, what a wonderful time of year :D :D

seekupig

03-03-2008, 10:04 AM

UNC41

03-03-2008, 10:40 AM

GavMan33

03-03-2008, 10:56 AM

WOO-HOO!!!! just heard that WRAL (the local CBS affiliate) will once again be carrying EVERY NCAA tournament game in it's entirety, free of charge to all Time Warner digital cable subscribers. you know what that means..... 2 tv's, picture in picture and LOTS of beer. :multi :multi

Dustin, that sounds awesome. How does that work? I'm really confused how 1 station can be airing 4 games all at the same time? And I'm assuming that Xavier will have a spot on the big TV ;)

GavMan33

03-03-2008, 11:09 AM

Bob, two things. Jason Thompson is a beast. I've seen him a couple of times of TV and he was a mainstay in my fantasy starting lineup. Have fun watching him lead Rider to the MAAC title.

Also, since we know you're up and at'em you have no excuse not to get me a poll.:D

Bryan, Jason Thompson is a beast. The scary thing? His little brother, also at Rider? Just as good :thumbsup That said, the hometown school (and Bob's future school), Siena, just grabbed the #1 seed via a tiebreaker over Rider. Should be a good tourney, I'm excited....

And in terms of the poll, consider yourself taken care of :thumbsup

SmoothG

03-03-2008, 12:19 PM

Hm. Not gonna lie, I appreciate that. Somebody tells someone they think they're wrong, and then explain why they feel that way. Honest, thanks for the response; I appreciate when someone takes some actual time and thought into a response....

I dunno what to say, I don't have any good stats or anything like that. Just how I feel I guess....

I hope I didn't come across as rude because I certainly didn't mean to. I understand where you are coming from. I just think Lute was expressing his disappointment of coming up short. His first class in 20 years not to make a Final Four. I think Arizona is one of the classiest bball programs in the country. They have certainly had some tough years and players that didn't live up to potential. But I don't think the univeristy has ever had any sense of entitelment. They have just been that good. Now, regarding this years tournament I don't know what to say. I think if they win another game or two they have to be included. 19 wins and the toughest schedule in the country would be tough to keep out. They had close loses at Kansas, UCLA and Stanford and also had some good wins.

I do think it is time for Lute to bow out. He is UofA basketball and did a lot for Tucson, but his time has come. This is now O'Neil's team. I love Lute to death, but if it comes down to one coach at this point...I would have to take O'Neil.

seekupig

03-03-2008, 12:20 PM

Dustin, that sounds awesome. How does that work? I'm really confused how 1 station can be airing 4 games all at the same time? And I'm assuming that Xavier will have a spot on the big TV ;)

the digital cable has extra channels for each of the big networks....

Channel 3 - regular CBS
Channel 252 - CBS 24 hour local weather
Channel 256 - CBS 24 hour local news
Channel 257 - CBS 24 crappy old school programming (Price Is Right, Andy Griffith, Matlock, etc...)

but for first weekend of the tourney, it becomes four beautiful channels of nothing but non-stop college hoops from Noon til about 11PM. aside from watching all games at the same time, you get the West Region game that's usually being played during the primetime break at 6PM that the east coast usually misses for the national and local news broadcasts.... I LOVE living on tobacco road this time of year..... :D

GavMan33

03-03-2008, 01:09 PM

I hope I didn't come across as rude because I certainly didn't mean to. I understand where you are coming from. I just think Lute was expressing his disappointment of coming up short. His first class in 20 years not to make a Final Four. I think Arizona is one of the classiest bball programs in the country. They have certainly had some tough years and players that didn't live up to potential. But I don't think the univeristy has ever had any sense of entitelment. They have just been that good. Now, regarding this years tournament I don't know what to say. I think if they win another game or two they have to be included. 19 wins and the toughest schedule in the country would be tough to keep out. They had close loses at Kansas, UCLA and Stanford and also had some good wins.

I do think it is time for Lute to bow out. He is UofA basketball and did a lot for Tucson, but his time has come. This is now O'Neil's team. I love Lute to death, but if it comes down to one coach at this point...I would have to take O'Neil.

the digital cable has extra channels for each of the big networks....

Channel 3 - regular CBS
Channel 252 - CBS 24 hour local weather
Channel 256 - CBS 24 hour local news
Channel 257 - CBS 24 crappy old school programming (Price Is Right, Andy Griffith, Matlock, etc...)

but for first weekend of the tourney, it becomes four beautiful channels of nothing but non-stop college hoops from Noon til about 11PM. aside from watching all games at the same time, you get the West Region game that's usually being played during the primetime break at 6PM that the east coast usually misses for the national and local news broadcasts.... I LOVE living on tobacco road this time of year..... :D

Yeah it's hard to imagine that the #1 SOS team in the country could be left out. I've watched the Wildcats play a few times this year, but don't too much about the team; I think the guy that caught wide open yesterday didn't know time-and-score. I think he thought they were down 3 and not 2; there was no reason to pass up a shot like that, that's the only explanation I can think of.

Looking a little closer at Arizona, RPI is at 25. 16-12, and now 7-9 in-conference, albeit the best conference in college basketball this year. I'm seeing 5 Top 50 wins, including beating Washington State twice, and a nonconference W over Houston and Texas A&M, which would help in bubble comparisons. I think they have to get both in Oregon this weekend. At 9-9 in this year's PAC-10, and a Top 25 RPI, #1 SOS, I'd have to think they're in....

Dustin, LOL at Channel 257, that's some funny stuff :lol

I found a channel last year, one of the CBS affiliates, that showed that West Region game you mentioned also last year. It was Oregon vs. Miami (OH), a fantastic game! I haven't heard of anything like what you get, but I do know on digital cable we do have a couple extra CBS's, so maybe we do get something like that. Here's to hoping....

I may or may not be in Washington DC for the 1st/2nd rounds of the NCAAs. Assuming Xavier can tread water here for the next two weeks and stay in line for what I think would be a 3-4 seed and end up in DC; and then assuming I can score some tickets. If not, you can find me at Jillian's in downtown Albany for both 1st round days of the NCAAs....

seekupig

03-03-2008, 01:34 PM

I found a channel last year, one of the CBS affiliates, that showed that West Region game you mentioned also last year. It was Oregon vs. Miami (OH), a fantastic game! I haven't heard of anything like what you get, but I do know on digital cable we do have a couple extra CBS's, so maybe we do get something like that. Here's to hoping....

last i heard, the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill market is still the only part of the country that gets that with regular cable without having to pay for the March Madness package..... i'm suprised nobody else has jumped on that to piss off the satellite companies. from WRAL's website...

2000—Multiple Channels = Happy NCAA Fans

March 16, was another historic day in the television industry. For the first time, viewers could watch any of the 63 games played during the NCAA basketball tournament on WRAL. (WRAL continues to provide all 63 games to its viewers every year).

While analog channel 5 ran the No. 1 game in each region, WRAL-HD broadcast four separate channels, each carrying a different game. That allowed digital viewers to switch among any four of the regional games being played at the same time.

seekupig

03-03-2008, 02:27 PM

UNC #1 in the new coaches poll....

UCLA and Memphis both getting 6 first place votes, UNC got 19.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/rankings

clayj41

03-03-2008, 03:14 PM

UNC #1 in the new coaches poll....

UCLA and Memphis both getting 6 first place votes, UNC got 19.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/rankings

Yeah, I just saw that UCLA jumped over Memphis. :shrug

seekupig

03-03-2008, 03:33 PM

new bracketology is out....

UNC takes back the #1 in the East, Xavier is the #2.

Kansas stays #2 and gets moved out West with #1 UCLA....

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

clayj41

03-03-2008, 03:43 PM

Kansas stays #2 and gets moved out West with #1 UCLA....

Ouch.

kydmb99

03-03-2008, 03:44 PM

kydmb99

03-03-2008, 03:45 PM

I think KU would be a tough matchup for UCLA.

GavMan33

03-03-2008, 03:48 PM

new bracketology is out....

UNC takes back the #1 in the East, Xavier is the #2.

Kansas stays #2 and gets moved out West with #1 UCLA....

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

:lol You can't get a break with the committee can you? UCLA to Phoenix? Damn, Kansas may get screwed again.

Still think Xavier is more likely to get a 4-seed than a 2-seed, especially with Drew Lavender's health still in question. He needs to get healthy in a hurry....

As for the Top 25, nice to see Davidson get a look back into the Top 25. I don't care what conference it is, 20-0 is impressive. Like the Bubble Watch (which I should be the author of, I love that job!) says, if Davidson should lose that conference championship game, do they get an at-large? With the relative weakness of bubble teams this year, they could get a serious look....

Surprising Xavier got a bump up in the AP Poll, I actually put us down at #11 in the poll I sent to Bryan (or now that I'm thinking about it, maybe they are at #9, I forget). Again, you try to get the Top 25 not based on who won or lost that week, but who you believe the Top 25 teams in the country are. I had Kansas all the way up at #2....

I see there was a mistake in Lunardi's bracket. The A-10 does actually have two teams in, though he doesn't recognize it (UMass is in at a #13 playing Notre Dame in the Houston region). St. Joe's lost again last night to Temple, and now most certainly, to me, need to win the A-10 Tournament to get in. The nonconference lacks any of the major wins they needed. As for UMass, they have a soft final 2 with LaSalle and then at George Washington. Win those 2 to get to 21-9. Given logjam of teams with 6 losses in the A-10, I don't know if they'd have a first-round bye or not. I think 2 wins are still necessary. 23-10 should do it....

UNC41

03-03-2008, 03:59 PM

Davidson in the AP Top 25? There goes my sleeper in what I wrote last night.

nhl123_2000

03-03-2008, 04:18 PM

Davidson is a good team. I went to the UNC v. Davidson game and was very surprised at their caliber of playing.

Regardless - nice to see the heels back at #1. I like that bracketology :)

SmoothG

03-03-2008, 04:38 PM

I agree that Lute should consider stepping aside, but it definitely shouldn't be for Kevin O'Neill.

Out of curiosity who do you think should coach the team? If it is Lute...it will be a really tough situation for O'neil. If it isn't Lute it has to be O'Neil in my opinion. If not Lute who do you think it should be? I think the correct decision is O'Neil. Really curious to see why you think it definitely shouldn't be O'Neil.

UNC41

03-03-2008, 05:29 PM

I'd love to see Pastner take over at Arizona eventually if he has coaching skills to go along with his recruiting ability.

kydmb99

03-03-2008, 05:32 PM

Out of curiosity who do you think should coach the team? If it is Lute...it will be a really tough situation for O'neil. If it isn't Lute it has to be O'Neil in my opinion. If not Lute who do you think it should be? I think the correct decision is O'Neil. Really curious to see why you think it definitely shouldn't be O'Neil.

A YOUNG up and comer... If Arizona wants to remain a top program I think they need someone who is trying to make a name for himself, not someone who has been around the block... Perhaps a Matt Painter, Bruce Pearl, etc... Someone who would bring excitement to the program. Kevin O'Neill doesn't IMO.

SmoothG

03-03-2008, 05:43 PM

A YOUNG up and comer... If Arizona wants to remain a top program I think they need someone who is trying to make a name for himself, not someone who has been around the block... Perhaps a Matt Painter, Bruce Pearl, etc... Someone who would bring excitement to the program. Kevin O'Neill doesn't IMO.

I completely disagree. You obviously aren't too in touch with the UofA basketball community. The players love him. He has brought change and a new attitude to the team. I think he is great for the Cats.

As UNC41 said, I would love to see Pastner take over, but I feel he is a bit too young right now. Maybe in a couple of years after O'Neil.

kydmb99

03-03-2008, 05:46 PM

I completely disagree. You obviously aren't too in touch with the UofA basketball community. The players love him. He has brought change and a new attitude to the team. I think he is great for the Cats.

As UNC41 said, I would love to see Pastner take over, but I feel he is a bit too young right now. Maybe in a couple of years after O'Neil.

Yes, but Arizona SHOULD NOT be a bubble team and they are. The players may really like him but that isn't going to last if they aren't winning. He's a good, respectable guy, but I don't see him winning big at Arizona. I think hiring O'Neill permanently would be a bad move by Arizona... Just my opinion though.

SmoothG

03-03-2008, 05:54 PM

Yes, but Arizona SHOULD NOT be a bubble team and they are. The players may really like him but that isn't going to last if they aren't winning. He's a good, respectable guy, but I don't see him winning big at Arizona. I think hiring O'Neill permanently would be a bad move by Arizona... Just my opinion though.

I don't think them being a bubble team is a reflection of O'Neil's coaching job. The team has had injuries and just lacks depth. Budinger hasn't developed into the player we thought he might. McClellan never fulfilled his potential. Lots of things went wrong this year. Not making excuses, just saying O'Neil did a great job with this team despite everything that happened. I don't think hiring a young coach out to prove himself is the direction they should go. I'd like for them to keep it in house with someone who has ties to the program. I think O'Neil is a good choice and maybe in a couple of years maybe Pastner.

UNC41

03-03-2008, 05:55 PM

Yes, but Arizona SHOULD NOT be a bubble team and they are. The players may really like him but that isn't going to last if they aren't winning. He's a good, respectable guy, but I don't see him winning big at Arizona. I think hiring O'Neill permanently would be a bad move by Arizona... Just my opinion though.

It's not O'Neill's fault Arizona has no depth this year. They have five quality players and then there is a huge dropoff. Arizona is 14-4 when Bayless, Budinger, Hill, McClellan and Wise are all in the lineup and 3-8 when Bayless and Wise have missed time. O'Neill wasn't coaching college ball, let alone at Arizona last year, so you can't put their depth issues on him.

kydmb99

03-03-2008, 05:59 PM

I don't think them being a bubble team is a reflection of O'Neil's coaching job. The team has had injuries and just lacks depth. Budinger hasn't developed into the player we thought he might. McClellan never fulfilled his potential. Lots of things went wrong this year. Not making excuses, just saying O'Neil did a great job with this team despite everything that happened. I don't think hiring a young coach out to prove himself is the direction they should go. I'd like for them to keep it in house with someone who has ties to the program. I think O'Neil is a good choice and maybe in a couple of years maybe Pastner.

See, I don't know... The Lute Olsen era has definitely been a great era in AZ basketball, but I sometimes feel like a fresh start can be a good thing, even after a period like that. Hiring people simply because they have ties to the last coach or ties with the university isn't that great of an idea... I'd rather hire someone who has proven he can make a program great than hire someone who hasn't proven that much but has loyalty to the program.

SmoothG

03-03-2008, 06:26 PM

See, I don't know... The Lute Olsen era has definitely been a great era in AZ basketball, but I sometimes feel like a fresh start can be a good thing, even after a period like that. Hiring people simply because they have ties to the last coach or ties with the university isn't that great of an idea... I'd rather hire someone who has proven he can make a program great than hire someone who hasn't proven that much but has loyalty to the program.

I just feel that O'Neil is that fresh start. Completely different attitude and coaching mentality than Lute. And I do like ties to the program...not saying it is necessary, but I like it. Obviously I want to hire someone who can keep the program among the elite in college basketball. I just think O'Neil can be that guy. I don't think hiring someone young just for the sake of it would do any good. They need some stability and I think they would be just fine if Lute steps down and O'Neil takes over. Could be wrong, but I'm willing to give O'Neil his shot...

GavMan33

03-03-2008, 07:43 PM

I just feel that O'Neil is that fresh start. Completely different attitude and coaching mentality than Lute. And I do like ties to the program...not saying it is necessary, but I like it. Obviously I want to hire someone who can keep the program among the elite in college basketball. I just think O'Neil can be that guy. I don't think hiring someone young just for the sake of it would do any good. They need some stability and I think they would be just fine if Lute steps down and O'Neil takes over. Could be wrong, but I'm willing to give O'Neil his shot...

You are an Arizona alum? You've taken us all by storm, and clearly know what you're talking about.

Family is very important to me. And of course, following a highly successful era in a program, people like continuity, thus O'Neill. The other guy that was mentioned, I don't know who he is, but apparently he is family also. You need to get someone in that understands what Arizona Basketball is really about. People want people to bridge the gap with family. Billy Guthridge anyone?

Xavier is what I know, so I'll speak there. When Pete Gillen was hired as the head coach at Xavier in 1986, a history teacher at a high school in West Virginia applied for an assistant coaching job. His name was Skip Prosser. Prosser was an assistant at X for several years, before getting his own head coaching gig in 1994, at Loyola (MD). When Gillen left X for Providence, Prosser was the first guy they called, and he was there again until 2001, when he went to Wake Forest. Prosser was at Xavier for 14 years, he is family to the program and the University, and that's why a funeral mass was had for him at Xavier, before he was buried.

Not really sure what that has to do with Arizona. Whatever.

Just wanna touch on something I don't think I ever have in here. It is widely thought that a program is "mid-major" when your people are repeatedly around for four years, as in nobody leaves early. Now to be fair, the only player at Xavier since the early 90s that had a legit opportunity to leave early for the NBA would've been David West, who very nearly did. Regardless, Xavier Basketball has graduated every player to come through the program who's exhausted their eligibility since 1986. That includes people like Tyrone Hill, Aaron Williams, and Brian Grant from back in the day. The only example of a guy who did not stay for his 5th year is James Posey, who left as a redshirt Junior for the NBA Draft, but did leave with a diploma.

So does that make Xavier "mid-major" in the eyes of most? Probably. But look at the level they play at, year in and year out? Out of the last 25 years, there've been 20 20-win seasons. There've been 18 NCAA Tournaments. This season will mean 11 postseason appearances in the last 12 seasons.

I know I don't have to prove Xavier to any of you, just throwing some more knowledge out there....

JRod1229

03-03-2008, 07:48 PM

The conference makes the teams status... the A-10 is not a major conference... Gonzaga tired for a while to change their status, but they've kinda folded back into the mid-major ranks... Xavier may with 20 games every year, but generally a weaker conference (not so much this year)

SmoothG

03-03-2008, 07:56 PM

:thumbsup You are an Arizona alum? You've taken us all by storm, and clearly know what you're talking about.

Family is very important to me. And of course, following a highly successful era in a program, people like continuity, thus O'Neill. The other guy that was mentioned, I don't know who he is, but apparently he is family also. You need to get someone in that understands what Arizona Basketball is really about. People want people to bridge the gap with family. Billy Guthridge anyone?

Xavier is what I know, so I'll speak there. When Pete Gillen was hired as the head coach at Xavier in 1986, a history teacher at a high school in West Virginia applied for an assistant coaching job. His name was Skip Prosser. Prosser was an assistant at X for several years, before getting his own head coaching gig in 1994, at Loyola (MD). When Gillen left X for Providence, Prosser was the first guy they called, and he was there again until 2001, when he went to Wake Forest. Prosser was at Xavier for 14 years, he is family to the program and the University, and that's why a funeral mass was had for him at Xavier, before he was buried.

Not really sure what that has to do with Arizona. Whatever.

Just wanna touch on something I don't think I ever have in here. It is widely thought that a program is "mid-major" when your people are repeatedly around for four years, as in nobody leaves early. Now to be fair, the only player at Xavier since the early 90s that had a legit opportunity to leave early for the NBA would've been David West, who very nearly did. Regardless, Xavier Basketball has graduated every player to come through the program who's exhausted their eligibility since 1986. That includes people like Tyrone Hill, Aaron Williams, and Brian Grant from back in the day. The only example of a guy who did not stay for his 5th year is James Posey, who left as a redshirt Junior for the NBA Draft, but did leave with a diploma.

So does that make Xavier "mid-major" in the eyes of most? Probably. But look at the level they play at, year in and year out? Out of the last 25 years, there've been 20 20-win seasons. There've been 18 NCAA Tournaments. This season will mean 11 postseason appearances in the last 12 seasons.

I know I don't have to prove Xavier to any of you, just throwing some more knowledge out there....

I went to UofA for a couple of years before graduating from Northern Arizona. But Wildcat basketball has been my love for about 12 years. The other guy we are talking about is Josh Pastner, a walk on and member of the 97 championship team. He is kind of a legend because he wasn't very good but always tried when he got in games and is kind of a legacy being a part of that team. And now he is an assistant coach and a great recruiter. He just needs a couple more years.

And always good to get some more info dropped about a team I might not normally know a lot about. :thumbsup God, I love college basketball!!!

Oh, I might as well drop one piece of trivia. Who is the only team in tournament history to beat 3 #1 seeds?

Hint: they play in Tucson

justinandimcool

03-03-2008, 08:12 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

Some bracketology fun!

East Region:
UNC would have tough competition here. I think Stanford has an easy road until a matchup with Xavier, and the winner would defnitely give UNC fits. The Cardinal has some decent shooters, and of course, the 2 big boys inside. UConn wouldn't be a cakewalk for the Heels should they meet. Very interesting.

Upsets I'd pick:
8 Baylor over 9 South Alabama
11 UAB over 6 Gonzaga (a seed I think is rather high for them)

Winner: UNC over Stanford, just barely. Heels have the experience and the home court.

West Region:

Purdue gets an unlucky draw. I don't think Oral Roberts is a pushover, nor is Drake. And should they survive those teams, they'd run into UCLA, and the Boilers aren't offensively potent enough to have a shot at them. However, the triple threat match between the Bruins, Hoyas, and Jayhawks looks interesting. Right now Georgetown is playing nowher near their potential, where I feel the sky's the limit for KU. I think they pull it off over GU and UCLA. I think they're just plain better.

No upsets here.
Winner: Kansas over UCLA

Midwest Region

With running perimeter Tennessee and Duke as the top teams, I'm a little bit more daring. Louisville's hitting their stride in February, and I think USC matches up well with Duke (I'm not sure what A&M is doing in there). Never count out Butler, too. Tennessee would have trouble between the winner of KSU/Arizona, especially if Zona pulls that out. I'm not counting on Indiana much after that debacle at Michigan State, but never count out a motivated talent, but in reality- if a great team has ever been vulnerable, it's the Hoosiers. Crazy region right here.

Upsets I'd pick

9 Arizona over 8 Kansas State
12 Virginia Tech over 5 Marquette
13 New Mexico over 4 Indiana
11 Arkansas over 6 Butler

Winner: Louisville over Tennessee, after knocking out Duke in a 2OT classic.

South Region

Memphis has an easy run to the Sweet 16 with Griffin potentially not at 100%. I think Notre Dame comes out of their pod, though ND/Vandy would be a sensational game. Texas/Davidson would be fun (Augustin vs Currry), and I didn't like what I saw from the Longhorns against TTU. So I'll definitely be tempted. I'm not sure if I'd actually do it with money on the line in March, but Davidson would be a fun upset. I personally think the most consistent team out of the lower end is Wisconsin. I haven't seen Illinois St, but if they guard the backcourt well, it could mean trouble.

Upsets I'd pick:
10 Davidson over 7 Pittsburgh
10 Davidson over 2 Texas

Winner: 3 Wisconsin over 1 Memphis as the Tigers go 5 for 29 from the FT line, losing by 2.

My Final Four: UNC, Kansas, Louisville, and Wisconsin.

Kansas takes it all.

Then again, I've never been close to winning a bracket pool in my life :lol

willthethrill

03-03-2008, 08:55 PM

UNC #1 in the new coaches poll....

UCLA and Memphis both getting 6 first place votes, UNC got 19.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/rankings
How does anyone have Duke in front of KU in their poll?

I don't think them being a bubble team is a reflection of O'Neil's coaching job. The team has had injuries and just lacks depth. Budinger hasn't developed into the player we thought he might. McClellan never fulfilled his potential. Lots of things went wrong this year. Not making excuses, just saying O'Neil did a great job with this team despite everything that happened. I don't think hiring a young coach out to prove himself is the direction they should go. I'd like for them to keep it in house with someone who has ties to the program. I think O'Neil is a good choice and maybe in a couple of years maybe Pastner.
You drop a couple "didn't fulfill potentials" in there. That wouldn't partly fall on coaching would it?

So does that make Xavier "mid-major" in the eyes of most? Probably. But look at the level they play at, year in and year out? Out of the last 25 years, there've been 20 20-win seasons. There've been 18 NCAA Tournaments. This season will mean 11 postseason appearances in the last 12 seasons.

I know I don't have to prove Xavier to any of you, just throwing some more knowledge out there....
I don't want to discredit Xavier here, as obviously they're a great team, but their 20-win season mark has something to do with the conference they play it. I highly doubt it would be that high if they were in the Big East or the ACC.

The mid-major thing is interesting and will be a tough stigma to ever replace. A mid-major is basically defined as a school without a BCS football team, but the parity in college basketball makes it difficult to put teams on diffe