Preseason NCAA Basketball Poll is released

[HolyCow]

Arizona = in, definitely.

And I really like Clemson. I'm thinking if the bracket permits, they have Sweet 16 run written all over them.

[UNLTrpt]

:lol @ the guy who blocked the free throw shot at the end of the UK/UGA game

[dmbphan041]

are there 3 games on cbs or only 2?

[UNLTrpt]

are there 3 games on cbs or only 2?

they're doing the Pac 10 game after the Minn/Illinois game

[41ravens]

i think the kansas/a&m game is blacked out in my area. in central illinois. i'm getting espnews on the deuce right now. interesting.

[GavMan33]

if zona doesn't get in, i hope they schedule a bullshit, cupcake non-con schedule next year and beat the shit out of every team they play during it.

Anyone who thinks Arizona shouldn't get in isn't looking at the facts.

More top 50 and 100 wins than any other bubble team. 19 wins in the toughest conference with the toughest schedule in the country.

Obviously this isn't their best year, and they have had some weak performances in the past couple of tournaments, but based on their body of work they must be included. There are not 34 more deserving teams.

i think the kansas/a&m game is blacked out in my area. in central illinois. i'm getting espnews on the deuce right now. interesting.

Wanted to get both the Arizona guys in. As for scheduling a horrible non-conference schedule, that won't happen.

The 2005-2006 George Washington Colonials. Granted, the A-10 that year was MUCH worse than the PAC-10 will be in any year. GW had an RPI of 37 that season. But their SOS was 207, and their nonconference SOS? A whopping 323! They went 16-0 in the A-10 that season. They went 10-1 in their nonconference, the best win there being against #49 Maryland, and their only loss to #51 NC State. Their next best win in the nonconference? #209 Boston University! They lost in the A-10 Quarters to Temple, going into the NCAAs at 26-2. Their seed? An 8-seed, and they absolutely deserved that seed. That's why that would never happen, that GW team teaches that lesson.

In terms of the plethora of Top 100 games, you sure can't dispute that. I will say that Arizona State and Oregon, also bubble teams, should be ahead of the Cats in pecking order, even if their RPIs a bit higher (and in the case of ASU, much higher).

As for past performance, that shouldn't have any bearing on this season, it'd be horrible of the committee to do that. But the last 12 4-8, with two against Oregon State?

It's too bad, to me, but they are going to get in. As for bubble teams that are truly playing themselves into the tourney? St. Joe's for one. Kent St. for another. Virginia Tech maybe (but I don't think it's enough)? A&M is now locked.

It really sucks that teams are going to back their way into the NCAAs. I'm not saying a team like Arizona or a team like Kentucky aren't good teams. But what I'm saying is when they had to win games to lock them up, they did not. Consider this Exhibit A for a douchebag like Boheim that wants expansion....

[clayj41]

Well I picked the correct ACC Championship matchup. Hopefully my predicted champion closes the deal! :D

[justinandimcool]

Clemson wins! Huge win in the ACC for me, an even huger win for Clemson's momentum in the tourney. Awesome awesome awesome performances. Duke with too many 3's yet again.


And Gus Johnson is calling the Pac-10 final, could this day get any better.

[clayj41]

Clemson wins! Huge win in the ACC for me, an even huger win for Clemson's momentum in the tourney. Awesome awesome awesome performances. Duke with too many 3's yet again.


And Gus Johnson is calling the Pac-10 final, could this day get any better.


I was contemplating not even watching it, but now I definitely will!

[UNLTrpt]

And Gus Johnson is calling the Pac-10 final, could this day get any better.

:lol

[nhl123_2000]

Go to hell dook! Should be a good game against clemson tomorrow.

Anyone watching this KU game?

[UNLTrpt]

What the hell...Minnesota got hosed.

[dmbphan041]

What the hell...Minnesota got hosed.

damn straight. that was so bad.

[SmoothG]

Wanted to get both the Arizona guys in. As for scheduling a horrible non-conference schedule, that won't happen.

The 2005-2006 George Washington Colonials. Granted, the A-10 that year was MUCH worse than the PAC-10 will be in any year. GW had an RPI of 37 that season. But their SOS was 207, and their nonconference SOS? A whopping 323! They went 16-0 in the A-10 that season. They went 10-1 in their nonconference, the best win there being against #49 Maryland, and their only loss to #51 NC State. Their next best win in the nonconference? #209 Boston University! They lost in the A-10 Quarters to Temple, going into the NCAAs at 26-2. Their seed? An 8-seed, and they absolutely deserved that seed. That's why that would never happen, that GW team teaches that lesson.

In terms of the plethora of Top 100 games, you sure can't dispute that. I will say that Arizona State and Oregon, also bubble teams, should be ahead of the Cats in pecking order, even if their RPIs a bit higher (and in the case of ASU, much higher).

As for past performance, that shouldn't have any bearing on this season, it'd be horrible of the committee to do that. But the last 12 4-8, with two against Oregon State?

It's too bad, to me, but they are going to get in. As for bubble teams that are truly playing themselves into the tourney? St. Joe's for one. Kent St. for another. Virginia Tech maybe (but I don't think it's enough)? A&M is now locked.

It really sucks that teams are going to back their way into the NCAAs. I'm not saying a team like Arizona or a team like Kentucky aren't good teams. But what I'm saying is when they had to win games to lock them up, they did not. Consider this Exhibit A for a douchebag like Boheim that wants expansion....

Oregon possibly ahead of Arizona, but I don't think there is any way that ASU is in line ahead of Arizona. Sure they beat them twice, but based on their body of work, no way. SOS and RPI are awful. And to be honest...I just hate them. But seriously...they played a cupcake non conference schedule. Not counting Xavier.

[Shagadelic]

SEC games not on TV? Wow....SEC really fucked this one up!

[GavMan33]

Oregon possibly ahead of Arizona, but I don't think there is any way that ASU is in line ahead of Arizona. Sure they beat them twice, but based on their body of work, no way. SOS and RPI are awful. And to be honest...I just hate them. But seriously...they played a cupcake non conference schedule. Not counting Xavier.

:lol :thumbsup I can appreciate that

[smeritt]

Just in case any U of A fans are worried, the U of A club baseball team successfully defeated ASU in its first two games. Just saying since no other Arizona team can beat an ASU sports team. Enough bragging back to basketball

[Trippin4136]

I was contemplating not even watching it, but now I definitely will!

Clemson wins! Huge win in the ACC for me, an even huger win for Clemson's momentum in the tourney. Awesome awesome awesome performances. Duke with too many 3's yet again.


And Gus Johnson is calling the Pac-10 final, could this day get any better.

I'm in the same boat. I didn't really care, but man, Gus Johnson is the shit.

[CUTiger41]

My Tigers are looking strong. Great win today!

Hopefully 3rd time is the charm!

[smeritt]

Is it just me or does Gus Johnson sound like a white guy ? Just saying

[smeritt]

Temple and St Joes is keeping up the trend of fantastic games today

[GSUdawg521]

:lol We were cooking out @ my brother's when he got a text from a friend that we were beating KY (just before OT), couldn't believe that shot by Swansey, he pulls some crazy shit sometimes.

I love how there were apparently 1,000 KY fans and 100 UGA fans there :lol

[smeritt]

Can Gus Johnson be cloned. Immediately?

[dmbphan041]

How is Stanford not the best team in the country? The Lopez brothers should be dominating all of D1.

wtf?

[HolyCow]

Temple and St Joes is keeping up the trend of fantastic games today
I showed my fiance some clips of him and she was very surprised he wasn't white. She said, "Oh, I just wasn't expecting him to look like that."

And he's just simply the best. Give me Gus Johnson calling a Scrabble tournament and I'd watch every second.

[smeritt]

God damn it Stanford

[41ravens]

How is Stanford not the best team in the country? The Lopez brothers should be dominating all of D1.

wtf?

cause those are the only two players really worth a damn on that team. their shooting is horrible. brook is their only offensive threat.

[smeritt]

Collison is unfair

[smeritt]

Gus Johnson just made a great football reference and im so happy im listening to him

[clayj41]

Tennesse goes down! Arkansas just punched their ticket.

[justinandimcool]

Fucking fuckers fuckity fucking shit.

I hate UCLA. I hate Collison. I hate Stanford. Love. Lopez twins. Hell Gus Johnson got excited over a Bruins win, I hate him too.


DEATH TO THE BRUINS IN THE TOURNAMENT.

[GSUdawg521]

Tennessee losing could help a little in us pulling off a miracle :)

[dmbphan041]

watching 4 games in one day makes me happy.

:)

[GavMan33]

Temple completes everybody's worst nightmare. A 3-team WCC and a 3-team A-10. Of course it's not a given anywhere, especially for St. Joe's in the Atlantic 10. But I just have to think that they have played themselves in, which has to be taken very seriously with how everybody else has clearly not done so. With the bloodbath that took place during conference play where teams struggled to get above .500 after coming off a fantastic nonconference season, 3 bids is definitely good for the conference.

Georgia out quick 10-2 after the first media timeout? Hm....

[GavMan33]

watching 4 games in one day makes me happy.

:)

Your comment makes me happy, and I absolutely agree :D :thumbsup

[dmbphan041]

Your comment makes me happy, and I absolutely agree :D :thumbsup

and 5 if you count the west coast NBA games.

yes!!!!1111

[clayj41]

Invites have been sent to all of the regulars in this thread for or private tournament challenge. If you feel you have been neglected, make your case to me in a PM. :)


I was actually pretty generous. There were 20+ invitees.

[GavMan33]

Looking over the RPI rankings. From what I can see, the top RPIs coming in from "bubble teams":

32. Miami (FL)
33. Dayton
35. Illinois St.
37. South Alabama
38. St. Mary's
42. St. Joseph's
44. UMass
46. Ohio St.
47. Ole Miss
48. Creighton (OUT)
49. Kentucky
50. Kansas St.

So by simple math, that's the Top 50. RPIs #s 1-31 are in one way or another. If you subtract the 12 teams I listed, those are 6 more spots filled, bringing the list to 37 out of 65 teams are definitely in out of the Top 50. Now if I counted right, 10 of those 37 are conference champs, which brings that number to 27 "lock" at-large teams within the Top 50. Now add one at-large bid back in play for the ACC championship and Big 12 Championship, since both teams in each championship are in the Top 50, so the number goes to 25 "lock" at-large teams. The SEC Championship (if Georgia advances tonight) and the Big Ten Championship (if Illinois wins) could still technically involve a team outside the Top 50. So by my calculations, there will be 8 at-large teams made up of the teams I listed above (minus Creighton) plus the rest of the teams above 50.

Now imagine Miami (FL), St. Joe's, and Kansas St. are next off the list, bringing that number to 5. I bolded them for my benefit so I know how my counting is, since I'm talking this out as I'm writing. If you want to assume teams in the Top 50 win those other 2 tournaments tomorrow (B10 and SEC), then it's 7 at-larges left, for the teams not bolded plus teams over 100 (if Georgia miraculously won, the number is 6, but we're gonna call it 7). And yes, even though I have been a little pessimistic of Arizona and West Virginia, were included in my at-large pool.

So who are the 7? Let's say St. Mary's is safe, so now it's 6. I italicized them. After that I'm showing:

51. Villanova
53. VA Tech
54. Syracuse
55. VCU
58. Oregon
73. Florida
83. Arizona St.

So those are the Top 100 that are in it. 14 teams for 6 spots. Now I think Dayton, UMass, Ole Miss, VA Tech, Syracuse, and Florida are OUT, they are in red. So now I'm down to 8 teams for 6 spots.

So. Who are the 2 left out?

[GavMan33]

and 5 if you count the west coast NBA games.

yes!!!!1111

:shrug NBA man? Really? :shrug

[GavMan33]

Invites have been sent to all of the regulars in this thread for or private tournament challenge. If you feel you have been neglected, make your case to me in a PM. :)


I was actually pretty generous. There were 20+ invitees.

So if I remember this right:

Bryan does the Top 25 Poll
Will (God Bless his soul, I hope he's doing OK down there) does Fantasy
Justin does Conference Pick'Em
And now Clay's got the private tournament challenge

Anybody a little skeptical about 3 of the 4 here are Carolina guys? I tell you they're out to screw us all! :lol

[dmbphan041]

:shrug NBA man? Really? :shrug

it's either that or...MadTV






















.....MadTV it is!

[GavMan33]

.....MadTV it is!

:lol

[kydmb99]

Wow, UK's rpi drops to 62. We're officially back on the bubble. :BANG

[GavMan33]

Looking at the last several years, the highest RPIs to be included as at-larges?

2007: #65, 18-12 Stanford
2006: #58, 18-11 Seton Hall
2005: #65, 19-13 NC State

Results:

2007: #11 Stanford loses to #6 Louisville 78-58
2006: #10 Seton Hall loses to #7 Wichita St. 86-66
2005: #10 NC State wins vs. #7 UNC-Charlotte and #2 UConn before losing to #6 Wisconsin 65-56

Dad is bothering me, I'll make my point in a sec :lol

[UNLTrpt]

I'm signed up

[GavMan33]

:bounce :bounce :bounce I have become a huge Georgia fan!!! :bounce :bounce :bounce

[GSUdawg521]

wow.

[GSUdawg521]

:bounce :bounce :bounce I have become a huge Georgia fan!!! :bounce :bounce :bounce

welcome :)

[GavMan33]

welcome :)

:thumbsup I feel you baby. I'll be rootin hard for you tomorrow. I promise you, the only time I'll ever root for ANY SEC team, but this Bulldog team is worth it....

Played Yatta Gaines in high school, he put about 45 points on us. Molloy beat us by about 70 that night :lol

[kydmb99]

welcome :)

So which is it? Georgia or UK?

[GavMan33]

So which is it? Georgia or UK?

Hold up, is this guy ur talkin about the guy who's a UK Basketball fan and a UGA football guy? Buddy, cmon. My man kydmb here just called you out. Cmon :shrug

[thestand]

WAC is in double OT right now, if anyone didn't know.

[GSUdawg521]

So which is it? Georgia or UK?

Hold up, is this guy ur talkin about the guy who's a UK Basketball fan and a UGA football guy? Buddy, cmon. My man kydmb here just called you out. Cmon :shrug

If that's what you're talking about then no that's not me, that's my buddy Jarred, username something like J-rod... And I don't see the problem there. He's distinctively a UGA football fan (and alum) but KY basketball fan for whatever reason he has. I knew a guy who was from Kentucky so he was a bigger fan of their team. And my old roommate was even from Alabama so he was always torn between us and Auburn.

I'm all about the red and black :D

[thestand]

Triple OT starting. :lol Game has been entertaining, if not exactly, you know... skillful. :lol

[justinandimcool]

Pitt won the Big East, nobody picked them :lol


And yeah...Boise State/New Mexico State in Triple OT. Statue of Liberty?

[thestand]

Absolute bullshit call just cost NMS the game. Most likely.

[GavMan33]

Absolute bullshit call just cost NMS the game. Most likely.

Yeah, well, that seems to be status quo nowadays doesn't it?

[kydmb99]

If that's what you're talking about then no that's not me, that's my buddy Jarred, username something like J-rod... And I don't see the problem there. He's distinctively a UGA football fan (and alum) but KY basketball fan for whatever reason he has. I knew a guy who was from Kentucky so he was a bigger fan of their team. And my old roommate was even from Alabama so he was always torn between us and Auburn.

I'm all about the red and black :D

Ahhh... you're right. Sorry.

[justinandimcool]

The SEC did no one but J-Rod any favors, but it and the Big 10 give us possible stolen bids in championship games tomorrow, and frankly the excitement around that is what it's all about :thumbsup

Royce couldn't hold his lead as Texas and Clemson came up with wins against him, eliminating his ACC champ and since he was blanked in the Pac-10 as well, this allowed Bob who called the Big XII and Pac-10 finals to take over first.

The best Bob can do is 118.5 if Kansas/UNC each pull off wins.

The best Smooth can do is 123.5 if Kansas/UNC/Wisconsin each pull off wins.

The best Nick can do is a 120 if Texas/UNC/Wisconsin each pull off wins. Basically a Texas win puts him in first since he's stealing the 8 points from the Kansas people.

Jrod can get a 129 if Kansas/UNC/Wisconsin/Arkansas each pull off wins. If Kansas loses and his three other teams win, he gets put into a tie with Nick and we'll figure it out from there. But if Arkansas loses, it's pretty much lights out for him.

At this point everyone below 4th place is eliminated :(


Day 4 standings

GavMan55- 101.5 pts
SmoothD41- 98.5 pts
DMBNick15- 96 pts
Jrod1229- 96 pts
HolyCow- 93 pts
Rkj2wj- 88.5 pts
kydmb99- 84 pts
justinandimcool- 81.5 pts
41Ravens- 81.5 pts
UNC41- 80 pts
clayj41- 80.5 pts
UNLTrpt- 78.5 pts
seekupig- 69 pts <----------------- :lol :lol :lol

[UNLTrpt]

and he CLIMBS out of the cellar!

[clayj41]

So if I remember this right:

Bryan does the Top 25 Poll
Will (God Bless his soul, I hope he's doing OK down there) does Fantasy
Justin does Conference Pick'Em
And now Clay's got the private tournament challenge

Anybody a little skeptical about 3 of the 4 here are Carolina guys? I tell you they're out to screw us all! :lol

Yeah, but if anyone but UNC wins the national championsip, the majority of the participants in the tournament challenge are eliminated. :lol

[clayj41]

Day 4 standings

GavMan55- 101.5 pts
SmoothD41- 98.5 pts
DMBNick15- 96 pts
Jrod1229- 96 pts
HolyCow- 93 pts
Rkj2wj- 88.5 pts
kydmb99- 84 pts
justinandimcool- 81.5 pts
41Ravens- 81.5 pts
UNC41- 80 pts
clayj41- 80.5 pts
UNLTrpt- 78.5 pts
seekupig- 69 pts <----------------- :lol :lol :lol

The last time I checked, 80.5 is still greater than 80. ;)


That is unless you just mixed up Bryan and I's scores.

[UNLTrpt]

So if I remember this right:

Bryan does the Top 25 Poll
Will (God Bless his soul, I hope he's doing OK down there) does Fantasy
Justin does Conference Pick'Em
And now Clay's got the private tournament challenge

Anybody a little skeptical about 3 of the 4 here are Carolina guys? I tell you they're out to screw us all! :lol

i've got the NIT challenge!

:multi ?

yeah....not so much

[UNLTrpt]

The last time I checked, 80.5 is still greater than 80. ;)


That is unless you just mixed up Bryan and I's scores.

picky picky

[justinandimcool]

The last time I checked, 80.5 is still greater than 80. ;)




Fail.

[clayj41]

Fail.

My IU education has failed me then...:(

[UNLTrpt]

My IU education has failed me then...:(

honestly...when has an IU education helped anybody?

[clayj41]

honestly...when has an IU education helped anybody?

I didn't say I was proud of it...:lol :rolleyes

[UNLTrpt]

I didn't say I was proud of it...:lol :rolleyes

:lol :lol

[UNLTrpt]

The Huskers have played in more NIT games - 33 in 14 appearances - than anyone else in the Big 12.

Take THAT!

[smeritt]

clay pm sent

[smeritt]

clay pm sent

[bubba40]

Congratulations to Pitt; they absolutely deserve what they accomplished.

Now the real season starts, everybody. Everything up until now means nothing. Only the brackets matter now, and don't bother with the little numbers to the left of your team name. Just win, and move on.

[seekupig]

Kansas vs. Texas playing for not only the Big XII title, but more than likely the #1 seed in the Midwest.......

[bubba40]

Kansas vs. Texas playing for not only the Big XII title, but more than likely the #1 seed in the Midwest.......

IMO the winner definitely deserves a #1 seed.

[41ravens]

let's go wisconsin and arkansas!

[bustdstuff]

Morning all. I despise having to work when my team is playing. So, not only did they lose. I missed some other great games, and came home with a migrane. A perfectly good Saturday night with my BF out of town, and no sitting around drinking beer and watching bball.:(


P.S. I think I'll crack a beer. Here's to a great championship/tourney selection Sunday!!

[seekupig]

IMO the winner definitely deserves a #1 seed.

i agree, but if this is anything like years past, they'll have the seeding done before that game ends. the only thing i could see changing last second would be if Illinois wins the Big 10.... that they HAVE to change.

as far as KU and Texas go, i'm predicting Kansas #1 in the Midwest and Texas #2 in the South.... this keeps them both happy reguardless of the outcome. Texas as a #2 in the South Region would put them in Houston for the second weekend which is actually a bigger advantage for them than being a #1 in the Midwest Region. i'd be suprised if it went any differently than that no matter who wins the game.....

[seekupig]

Day 4 standings

GavMan55- 101.5 pts
SmoothD41- 98.5 pts
DMBNick15- 96 pts
Jrod1229- 96 pts
HolyCow- 93 pts
Rkj2wj- 88.5 pts
kydmb99- 84 pts
justinandimcool- 81.5 pts
41Ravens- 81.5 pts
UNC41- 80 pts
clayj41- 80.5 pts
UNLTrpt- 78.5 pts
seekupig- 69 pts <----------------- :lol :lol :lol

laugh it up fuckers, but where i come from 69 is always the big winner.... :D

[thehoss]

this is for my boy gavman, heading out now to see the class a and aa state basketball championships (new york state) for the first time in 3 years, mookie jones('cuse-bound) and peekskill will NOT be apart of it. neither will kevin jones(west va-bound) and mount vernon. still, maggin and jamesville will be 2 solid teams to watch. here's to selection sunday!

[GavMan33]

this is for my boy gavman, heading out now to see the class a and aa state basketball championships (new york state) for the first time in 3 years, mookie jones('cuse-bound) and peekskill will NOT be apart of it. neither will kevin jones(west va-bound) and mount vernon. still, maggin and jamesville will be 2 solid teams to watch. here's to selection sunday!

Happy Selection Sunday all :thumbsup

I see you Jon. I woulda gone up, but it was Saturday of Championship Week, probably the best single day of the entire calendar year. And today is Selection Sunday, and it is devoted to college hoop. OK, most of my days are devoted to college hoop :rolleyes But great hoop up there for sure, I was shocked when I got a phone call from Glens Falls yesterday saying Maginn beat Mount Vernon, I never would've expected that.

My Nebraska boy, I did forget you roll with the NIT Challenge, my fault :thumbsup

Hey Clay, I'm so confused. Where the hell do I go to get into your pool?

Here's to Selection Sunday. Think 3. 3 Atlantic 10 teams dancing, and a 3-seed for Xavier. I think the chances are pretty good for the latter. A bunch of teams from Notre Dame to Marquette to Louisville to Purdue all got beat, so we should be OK.

[dmbphan041]

is there any way I can watch the game online? They're only showing last years Championship game on CBS and I don't get ESPN here in Canadia.

[HolyCow]

Boy this Clemson - UNC game is competitive. These guys are playing hard.

I'll say it again: I really like Clemson in the tourney.

[MPizzle06]

What a crazy weekend...hopefully by some divine power my ILLINI can kick wisconsin's ass this afternoon and knock some deserving 20-win bubble team out of the tourney!!! :lol :lol


GO ILLINI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thestand]

Super impressed with Clemson so far.

[clayj41]

2/3 goals achieved...;)

[nhl123_2000]

heck yes. clay - HIGH FIVE. woo - in a great mood right now

[clayj41]

heck yes. clay - HIGH FIVE. woo - in a great mood right now

:thumbsup I was worried there for awhile though...:o

[nhl123_2000]

Me too man - I think clemson has potential to be a sweet-16 team, depending on their bracket. Now we have the 4 local games locked up and the #1 overall. :)

[clayj41]

Me too man - I think clemson has potential to be a sweet-16 team, depending on their bracket. Now we have the 4 local games locked up and the #1 overall. :)

:thumbsup I couldn't be happier. Clemson will be a tough out, especially if they can hit free throws.

[smeritt]

So I was a little hung over this morning but watching Clemson shoot free throws made me want to throw up more that the thought of alcohol. This KU game is ridiculous

[clayj41]

So I was a little hung over this morning but watching Clemson shoot free throws made me want to throw up more that the thought of alcohol. This KU game is ridiculous

I'm loving the pace of the KU-Texas game!

[smeritt]

Neither can miss. This game is for a 1 seed

[clayj41]

Neither can miss. This game is for a 1 seed

:thumbsup They're both playing their hearts out.

[clayj41]

I can't believe I'm actually rooting for Wisconsin. :shrug

[bothedmbfan]

I can't believe I'm actually rooting for Wisconsin. :shrug

Why?

Any respect I had for you is now deader than Pauly Shore's acting carrer.

[kydmb99]

Wow, this Texas/Kansas game is amazing.

Also, UGA... What the fuck? This team was terrible all season. Playing out of their ass.

[seekupig]

a Kansas team that can make 3 pointers is going to be tough to beat......

[clayj41]

Why?

Any respect I had for you is now deader than Pauly Shore's acting carrer.

I'm an IU grad, believe me its hard to pick either way but I really don't want to listen to the obnoxious Illinois fans brag about making the tourney.

[seekupig]

the Play-In-Game has been announced already......

Coppin St. vs. Mt. St. Mary's will play Tuesday night for the right to get ass-raped in the first round three days later......

[bustdstuff]

2/3 goals achieved...;)

Congratulations.

[UNLTrpt]

thankfully Illinois won't win

[thestand]

WHAT THE FUCK GEORGIA. Please, in the next 9:42, remember you suck. kthxbye- PAC10.

[UNLTrpt]

Billy Packer just needs to go away

[clayj41]

Congratulations.

Thanks Steph! :)

[seekupig]

:multi :multi :multi

[bustdstuff]

Congratulations to you too.

[seekupig]

Congratulations to you too.

thanks. :)

[UNLTrpt]

alright now we get a good basketball game on CBS

[justinandimcool]

Kansas just won me $20.

And Georgia just won my heart.


Unbelievable games.

[kydmb99]

Wow. I can't believe UGA is gonna be in the tournament. They were PATHETIC all year long.

[UNLTrpt]

unreal. absolutely unreal.

[clayj41]

Georgia...:lol

[bothedmbfan]

Wouldn't it be funny if Georgia won it all?

[justinandimcool]

Georgia. NCAA Tournament. Christ.

[bustdstuff]

Wouldn't it be funny if Georgia won it all?


That made me chuckle.

[clayj41]

Wouldn't it be funny if Georgia won it all?

Simply put, no. :lol

[SmoothD41]

wow, Georgia. Unreal

[GSUdawg521]

:lol go dawgs :)

[bothedmbfan]

Simply put, no. :lol

Eh, the only team I root for that's in the mother fucker is UCLA, and they've been way too lucky lately to win it all.

Go fucking Georgia.

[kydmb99]

After today, I'm definitely picking KU to win it all... Although UNC impressed me more today than they have been.

[clayj41]

Eh, the only team I root for that's in the mother fucker is UCLA, and they've been way too lucky lately to win it all.

Go fucking Georgia.

I will only cheer for them if UNC is eliminated and they are playing another top seed in the final game.

[bothedmbfan]

I will only cheer for them if UNC is eliminated and they are playing another top seed in the final game.

You went to UI, and you root for UNC?

Not knocking it, just please explain.

[clayj41]

After today, I'm definitely picking KU to win it all... Although UNC impressed me more today than they have been.

Lawson had his best game since coming back from his ankle injury.

[clayj41]

You went to UI, and you root for UNC?

Not knocking it, just please explain.

You've obviously never ventured into this thread before Bo. :lol I've been a UNC fan since I was 10 years old, so rougly the last 13 years of my life. Everyone around me was an IU fan and I just felt like being different. I was drawn to them because of players like Jerry Stackhouse, Ed Cota, Antawn Jamison, Shammond Williams, and of course Coach Dean Smith. I have bled Carolina Blue ever since. My crowning achievement as a UNC fan was wearing a Sean May jersey to the UNC/IU game in the Big Ten Challenge back in 2004 and having shit thrown at me the entire game. :lol


BTW, it's IU not UI Bo...;)

[justinandimcool]

I always watch the CBS selection show (which I've never been more pumped to watch in my life), but is the ESPN one any better?

[seekupig]

I always watch the CBS selection show (which I've never been more pumped to watch in my life), but is the ESPN one any better?


i watch CBS from 6-7, then watch ESPN from 7-9.

[bothedmbfan]

You've obviously never ventured into this thread before Bo. :lol I've been a UNC fan since I was 10 years old, so rougly the last 13 years of my life. Everyone around me was an IU fan and I just felt like being different. I was drawn to them because of players like Jerry Stackhouse, Ed Cota, Antawn Jamison, Shammond Williams, and of course Coach Dean Smith. I have bled Carolina Blue ever since. My crowning achievement as a UNC fan was wearing a Sean May jersey to the UNC/IU game in the Big Ten Challenge back in 2004 and having shit thrown at me the entire game. :lol


BTW, it's IU not UI Bo...;)

I've ventured, just never cared, or payed attention to what anyone else said.

Also, putting the U before I is a force of habbit. (And a lame ass pick up line my buddy tried once...not a joke, I swear.)

[clayj41]

I always watch the CBS selection show (which I've never been more pumped to watch in my life), but is the ESPN one any better?

I always watch the CBS one too, but I'm kinda leaning towards ESPN this year with the broadcasting crew they have. I always thought that CBS were given the brackets a litte earlier, but I could be wrong.

[UNLTrpt]

Also, putting the U before I is a force of habbit. (And a lame ass pick up line my buddy tried once...not a joke, I swear.)

the question is...did it work?

[clayj41]

i watch CBS from 6-7, then watch ESPN from 7-9.

:thumbsup My TV won't leave ESPN tonight.

I've ventured, just never cared, or payed attention to what anyone else said.

Also, putting the U before I is a force of habbit. (And a lame ass pick up line my buddy tried once...not a joke, I swear.)

That is rather lame. :lol

[clayj41]

the question is...did it work?

That is truly all that matters.

[UNLTrpt]

I always watch the CBS one too, but I'm kinda leaning towards ESPN this year with the broadcasting crew they have. I always thought that CBS were given the brackets a litte earlier, but I could be wrong.

of course they're given them earlier...they're the NCAA tournament's broadcast network. They probably get them at the same time, but CBS gets to release them first

[bothedmbfan]

the question is...did it work?

Did Nagasaki work out for the Japs?

[clayj41]

#1 overall...no surprise there.

[clayj41]

of course they're given them earlier...they're the NCAA tournament's broadcast network. They probably get them at the same time, but CBS gets to release them first

That's what I thought.

[RJ2kWJ]

The 4 I expected. Congrats to UNC.

[kydmb99]

Damnit. The only way UNC and KU should play is for the title.

[clayj41]

The 4 I expected. Congrats to UNC.

:thumbsup Pretty hard for the committee to mess it up.

[clayj41]

Damnit. The only way UNC and KU should play is for the title.

As if all four #1's ever make the Final Four...:rolleyes

[clayj41]

Potential IU/UNC matchup in the second round! :eek

[UNLTrpt]

of course george mason is a 12 seed

[emu513]

North Carolina plays the second best team in their region in the second round. Interesting.

[clayj41]

I'm glad we got Tennessee rather than Georgetown.

[clayj41]

North Carolina plays the second best team in their region in the second round. Interesting.

Who, Arkansas??? :lol

[RJ2kWJ]

North Carolina plays the second best team in their region in the second round. Interesting.

Yea VERY interesting. That will be a good one.

[emu513]

I'm thinking Indiana.

[thestand]

Man. I disagree with Indiana, Butler, Wash. St, and Oklahoma's seedings pretty majorly.

[clayj41]

I'm thinking Indiana.

Louisville scares me the most. As for IU, yes they are a dangerous team...especially if they have a good shooting night, but they will have a tough time beating Arkansas.

[emu513]

OJ Mayo is a douche.

[UNLTrpt]

wow. Omaha got some GREAT teams.

[clayj41]

Mayo vs. Beasley!!! :eek

[Rockhound18]

:lol

Analyst picks Siena over Vanderbilt. :lol :lol :lol

[emu513]

Mayo, Beasley, and Walker all in one game. Exciting.

Mayo and Walker. Douches.

[tyler1389]

How can KState be an 11 seed??? Thats nuts. OU is a 6, and they finished below K-State in the conference!

[SmoothD41]

LOL, 8 SEED?????? Really?

Maybe IU's draw this year is their penalty from the NCAA.

what a fucking joke. seriously.

[thestand]

USC/K State is going to be mega. And with USC getting a 6 seed, and K State (who we beat in their gym) getting in at an 11, I'm feeling better about our chances.

[clayj41]

How can KState be an 11 seed??? Thats nuts. OU is a 6, and they finished below K-State in the conference!

Just look at how K State closed out the season. Pretty understandable.

[dreamingtreeIU]

IU vs. UNC second round possible matchup.....wow

and the midwest region sucks except Kansas and G-town

[thestand]

:lol

Analyst picks Siena over Vanderbilt. :lol :lol :lolHave you watched Siena? I'm not so sure that's a pick to exactly laugh at. Remember, they beat Stanford earlier this year, who ended up being #2 in the PAC10.

[kydmb99]

LOL, 8 SEED?????? Really?

Maybe IU's draw this year is their penalty from the NCAA.

what a fucking joke. seriously.

Yeah, you all got fucked.

[thestand]

9?!?! wow. Unexpected. Welp, it'll be fun getting crushed by Memphis. :lol

[emu513]

Miami v. St Marys. I like it.

[tyler1389]

Kentucky gets in. I think they deserve it, but this looks like the best bracket so far.

[dreamingtreeIU]

^??? I'm watching it on ESPN, so I guess I'll wait to get back on here til they release it on tv

[SmoothD41]

weird seeing Kentucky as an 11 seed. That should be a great game.

[Rockhound18]

and the midwest region sucks except Kansas and G-town

Have you watched Siena? I'm not so sure that's a pick to exactly laugh at. Remember, they beat Stanford earlier this year, who ended up being #2 in the PAC10.

Yeah, and we went 16-0 to start, never fell out of top 25, beat Tennessee, and have the SEC player of the year Foster as well as Ogilvy.

Siena has a shot, but picking them is a stretch imo.

[clayj41]

9?!?! wow. Unexpected. Welp, it'll be fun getting crushed by Memphis. :lol

Congrats Brendan! But you're gonna get crushed by Ben Hansbrough. :rolleyes










I'm loving all of the brackets! A lot of interesting matchups!

[thestand]

Man, so do either AZ schools get in? I mean, with Oregon at 9, you'd think so.

[kydmb99]

weird seeing Kentucky as an 11 seed. That should be a great game.

Don't get used to it.:)

[clayj41]

Yeah, and we went 16-0 to start, never fell out of top 25, beat Tennessee, and have the SEC player of the year Foster as well as Ogilvy.

Siena has a shot, but picking them is a stretch imo.

And really faltered down the stretch besides the Tennessee game. It'll be a popular upset pick.

[HolyCow]

Man. I disagree with Indiana, Butler, Wash. St, and Oklahoma's seedings pretty majorly.
I thought we should be the seven and Butler the six. And Indiana is too low.

[clayj41]

Man, so do either AZ schools get in? I mean, with Oregon at 9, you'd think so.

I see Zona making it.

[clayj41]

Drake draws WKU. That'll be a good game.

[HolyCow]

Not looking good for the Arizona State.

[RJ2kWJ]

#2 in DC. Ill take it. Then a possible matchup with WVU.

[smeritt]

Wow we drew West Virginia in the first round. Uh I don't know how I'm going to pick that

[clayj41]

There's Zona.


West Virginia over Duke in the second round. :D

[UNLTrpt]

:lol

poor Xavier

[UNLTrpt]

YES!

Baylor!

[41ravens]

we're in, baby! now let's win some games and make it to phoenix.

edit: and no asu. time for people to start bitching.

[clayj41]

Baylor the last team in...

[smeritt]

There's Zona.


West Virginia over Duke in the second round. :DJordan Hill is going to play out of his mind to beat the Dukies. Get your shit right. MUAHAHAHA ASU GETS OUSTED BOOYAKASHA

[HolyCow]

Big 12 got six like it should. And I like every matchup for the Big 12. I could see it going 6-0.

[UNLTrpt]

Great to see Baylor in.

[SmoothD41]

good god, I can't get over this load of shit. This is laughable.

I know they struggled after Sampson left, but this is a joke.

[HolyCow]

Great to see Baylor in.
Definitely agree. Their reaction was priceless.

[thestand]

So let's now play the guessing game: who did Georgia cost a spot, at the last minute?

[smeritt]

IDK about Kentucky in over ASU not going to lie

[41ravens]

good god, I can't get over this load of shit. This is laughable.

yeah, that's pretty rough. that being said, i think it's deserved. that team has fallen apart.

[smeritt]

So let's now play the guessing game: who did Georgia cost a spot, at the last minute?
ASU is my guess

[clayj41]

Jordan Hill is going to play out of his mind to beat the Dukies. Get your shit right. MUAHAHAHA ASU GETS OUSTED BOOYAKASHA

Zona definitely has the talent...we'll see.

good god, I can't get over this load of shit. This is laughable.

I know they struggled after Sampson left, but this is a joke.

:thumbsup IU got shafted.

[thestand]

I think there's some fantastic matchups in there, but overall, pretty disappointing. Too many mid major/mid major matchups. And not like I'm complaining, but UCLA has a stroll straight through, if they play alright.

[clayj41]

ASU is my guess

:thumbsup Definitely.

[clayj41]

I think there's some fantastic matchups in there, but overall, pretty disappointing. Too many mid major/mid major matchups. And not like I'm complaining, but UCLA has a stroll straight through, if they play alright.

:thumbsup UCLA has an easy road...

[thestand]

ASU is my guessProbably right. They had some good wins, especially sweeping, well, you guys, and that Xavier win. But they killed themselves at the beginning of their season, with their terrible non-conference schedule, and they were piss poor down the stretch. Oh well.

[smeritt]

Losing to them twice was so hard. No arizona team has beat ASU this year except gymnastics. How sad. Oh and of course club baseball.

[bubba40]

Big 12 got six like it should. And I like every matchup for the Big 12. I could see it going 6-0.

I can see your Sooners in the final four.

[smeritt]

I see the sooners out in the first round : P

[UNLTrpt]

I can see your Sooners in the final four.

I see the sooners out in the first round : P

:lol :lol

[RJ2kWJ]

Hoping for a Kyle Singler/Kevin Love matchup

[UNLTrpt]

and now for the annual Billy Packer bitch session

[justinandimcool]

Let's go Mississippi Valley State! Let's go USC! Let's go Gus Johnson!

I have so many things to say about this tourney, expect a long post later :lol


You guys are all going down.

[clayj41]

Clark Kellogg just picked every #1 seed to make the final four...:rolleyes

[clayj41]

Hoping for a Kyle Singler/Kevin Love matchup

Singler/Alexander second round...

[HolyCow]

I can see your Sooners in the final four.
I wish. Though I do think we can run to the Sweet 16.

[SoRight24]

The #1 overall seed and we get arguably the best 8 seed in the history of the tournament?

WTF?

[thestand]

ASU/Ohio State in the NIT championship.

EDIT: Possibly Illinois State as a sub for OSU.

[bustdstuff]

Singler/Alexander second round...

That could be very interesting.

[HolyCow]

:lol

Did anyone else see Bob Knight yawning as they came back from commercial?

[thestand]

:lol

Did anyone else see Bob Knight yawning as they came back from commercial?
:lol Right before 5:00, the guy to Knight's left (screen right) was talking, but Bob was still in the frame. He was liberally scratching himself, and adjusting his oversized collar for a solid 15 seconds.

[clayj41]

The #1 overall seed and we get arguably the best 8 seed in the history of the tournament?

WTF?

IU will have a tough time beating Arkansas, but it would be an interesting second round matchup. I have confidence in UNC though.

[thestand]

If I hear anyone talking about VT again, I'll shoot someone. I saw them a handful of times, both early in the season and late, and they just weren't that great. They were 1-7 against the RPI top 50. Please.

[thestand]

Greenberg is right on the edge of a meltdown. :lol

EDIT: No meltdown. Letdown.

[clayj41]

Why does cbs.sportsline.com not have the West bracket filled out in their printable bracket? :BANG

[bigeyefish22]

Genius fix: expand to another round!!

what a bunch of shit. Then team 129 will be all up in arms, only difference is it'll be Quinnipiac instead of VaTech. Who cares? Win some f'ing games and earn your spot.

[bubba40]

Let's go Mississippi Valley State! Let's go USC! Let's go Gus Johnson!

I have so many things to say about this tourney, expect a long post later :lol


You guys are all going down.

I would take a bullet for Gus Johnson and Clark Kellogg.

[bubba40]

Genius fix: expand to another round!!

what a bunch of shit. Then team 129 will be all up in arms, only difference is it'll be Quinnipiac instead of VaTech. Who cares? Win some f'ing games and earn your spot.

:thumbsup

[thestand]

I'm against any sort of expansion, but if hypothetically they HAD to expand, I'd be cool with a 96 team tournament. The top 32 have byes, and there's a one round, 64 team play-in round. But again, that's only if they had to expand.

[SoRight24]

I would take a bullet for Gus Johnson and Clark Kellogg.

:thumbsup :thumbsup

Gus Johnson is the shit.

[clayj41]

CBS printable brackets are ready.




Time to do some work....:cool

[thestand]

ESPN's tournament brackets are up.

[SoRight24]

Just filled out my tourney challenge bracket.

My Final Four: UNC, Georgetown, Pittsburgh, UCLA.

Championship game: UNC-UCLA

Champion: UNC (of course) ;)

[bubba40]

Just filled out my tourney challenge bracket.

My Final Four: UNC, Georgetown, Pittsburgh, UCLA.

Championship game: UNC-UCLA

Champion: UNC (of course) ;)

Good man, good man.

We've UMBC on Friday. I am already downright giddy. I know I'll be intolerably hyper by gametime on Friday :D

[justinandimcool]

The odds of picking a perfect bracket is 1 in 18,446,744,073,709,551,616

You can bet I'll be the first to do it.

[smeritt]

when do the tourney challenge brackets need to be done by ?

[UNLTrpt]

Genius fix: expand to another round!!

what a bunch of shit. Then team 129 will be all up in arms, only difference is it'll be Quinnipiac instead of VaTech. Who cares? Win some f'ing games and earn your spot.

absofreakinlutely.

[clayj41]

First draft...


Elite 8:

UNC over Louisville
Georgetown over Kansas
Texas over Pitt
UCLA over Xavier

Final Four:

UNC over Georgetown
UCLA over Texas

Championship:

UNC over UCLA

[clayj41]

when do the tourney challenge brackets need to be done by ?

I'm pretty sure you can fill them out until the opening tip-off on Thursday.

[GavMan33]

:lol

poor Xavier

I don't see it that way. I think it's interesting that as a 3-seed, X plays Georgia, a team that's used to playing the kind of team they'll play in Xavier every night. Hm. But I really like it....

good god, I can't get over this load of shit. This is laughable.

I know they struggled after Sampson left, but this is a joke.

I think the 8-seed is justifiable. Tough get for Carolina to play a very capable IU team in the 2nd round, but I think IU is in the 7-8 range....

Definitely agree. Their reaction was priceless.

:thumbsup Baylor's reaction was awesome....

IDK about Kentucky in over ASU not going to lie

Well here it is. UK and Zona, to me, are my biggest gripes. But when you look at the numbers, who can you rationally put in to replace those two? You can't :shrug

I think there's some fantastic matchups in there, but overall, pretty disappointing. Too many mid major/mid major matchups. And not like I'm complaining, but UCLA has a stroll straight through, if they play alright.

Mid-majors always play each other in the 1st round, and for the second straight year, there are 6 at-large teams from non-BCS conferences.

In the 07 tourney, non-BCS games included BYU/Xavier got matched up, Nevada/Creighton, Old Dominion/Butler. Maybe they don't want a ton of mid-majors advancing, so they match them up so half of them lose....

[smeritt]

I'm sorry but if Zona wasn't in it would be a bigger shaft than any other team. They played the #1 SOS in the nation and were well over 500 and they also did it with out Bayless for a couple games and without a true point guard in nic wise for about 6. They battled ended up 8-10 in the best conference in America and played Kansas and Mephis too the wire. Not a huge gripe looking at it objectively

[thestand]

Elite 8

UCLA over Xavier
Memphis over Stanford
Kansas over Georgetown
UNC over Tennessee

UNC over Georgetown
UCLA over Memphis

UCLA over UNC

[Mustang1]

Big 12 got six like it should. And I like every matchup for the Big 12. I could see it going 6-0.

I thought KSU was unlucky on the seed and matchup w/ USC.

[clayj41]

Elite 8

UCLA over Xavier
Memphis over Stanford
Kansas over Georgetown
UNC over Tennessee

UNC over Georgetown
UCLA over Memphis

UCLA over UNC

All the #1's....:p


Nevermind, I'm an idiot! :lol

[smeritt]

I think KSU is going to make USC their bitch sorry Justin.

[Mustang1]

I'm sorry but if Zona wasn't in it would be a bigger shaft than any other team. They played the #1 SOS in the nation and were well over 500 and they also did it with out Bayless for a couple games and without a true point guard in nic wise for about 6. They battled ended up 8-10 in the best conference in America and played Kansas and Mephis too the wire. Not a huge gripe looking at it objectively

Bayless is sick. Wise is ok. I think Zona deserved a bid over ASU despite the head to head.

[UNLTrpt]

Elite 8
Tenn over UNC
KU over Wisc
Pitt over Stanford
UCLA over Xavier

KU over Tenn
UCLA over Stanford

KU over UCLA

I can't believe I'm picking Kansas AGAIN.

[clayj41]

I think KSU is going to make USC their bitch sorry Justin.

I've got USC beating Wisconsin and making the Sweet 16.

[UNLTrpt]

I thought KSU was unlucky on the seed and matchup w/ USC.

KSU has either the first or the 2nd best player in the country.

He can win games single handedly.

[smeritt]

Bayless is sick. Wise is ok. I think Zona deserved a bid over ASU despite the head to head.Wise is not a superstar but he is a true point guard and makes Bayless that much better. His dribble drive and passes are what make him so valuable. He controls the ball and makes it easier for Bayless to score. Without him Bayless has to handle the ball and score which is too much folr him .

[smeritt]

I've got USC beating Wisconsin and making the Sweet 16.Fail :evil

[clayj41]

Fail :evil

We shall see. :D

[GavMan33]

I'm sorry but if Zona wasn't in it would be a bigger shaft than any other team. They played the #1 SOS in the nation and were well over 500 and they also did it with out Bayless for a couple games and without a true point guard in nic wise for about 6. They battled ended up 8-10 in the best conference in America and played Kansas and Mephis too the wire. Not a huge gripe looking at it objectively

19-14? Not quite well over .500. I'm objective, since I really have no affiliation with them. In fact, I think the Mike Bibby Zona team was awesome, much respect for a Frosh PG to lead a team to a title.

Oh buddy. Now we got Vitale picking Georgia over Xavier. Man, if we got a guy on ESPN picking #14 Georgia over #3 Xavier, I guess we're never gonna get the respect that we deserve :shrug

[clayj41]

19-14? Not quite well over .500. I'm objective, since I really have no affiliation with them. In fact, I think the Mike Bibby Zona team was awesome, much respect for a Frosh PG to lead a team to a title.

Oh buddy. Now we got Vitale picking Georgia over Xavier. Man, if we got a guy on ESPN picking #14 Georgia over #3 Xavier, I guess we're never gonna get the respect that we deserve :shrug

Nor should you...:p

[smeritt]

19-14? Not quite well over .500. I'm objective, since I really have no affiliation with them. In fact, I think the Mike Bibby Zona team was awesome, much respect for a Frosh PG to lead a team to a title.

Oh buddy. Now we got Vitale picking Georgia over Xavier. Man, if we got a guy on ESPN picking #14 Georgia over #3 Xavier, I guess we're never gonna get the respect that we deserve :shrugIf they were healthy all year they would have been a 9 or 10 loss team in my opinion.

Ill give you the repect, there is no way Xavier loses that game. No matter how hott Georgia is

[thestand]

I've got USC beating Wisconsin and making the Sweet 16.
Same.

[SmoothG]

24 years in a row. I'm looking at you North Carolina!

Honestly, Arizona deserves to be where it is based on their body of work this year.

Side trivia: Arizona won 4 games the year before Lute was hired.

[GavMan33]

If they were healthy all year they would have been a 9 or 10 loss team in my opinion.

Ill give you the repect, there is no way Xavier loses that game. No matter how hott Georgia is

Well to me, we went to Arizona State without the services of leading scorer, 6th Man of the Year, and "should've-been" 1st-Team all-A-10 Selection (actual 2nd team). He was still feeling it the next weekend when we lost to Tennessee. Drew Lavender has been hobbled since Feb. 13. While most would've sat out, Drew played. He struggled, but he played through it (and is still playing through it).

But again, Arizona is in, and should be, based only on the fact that there's nobody left on the bubble that deserve to be in ahead of them.

I kinda like being matched up with Georgia. They are getting all kinds of press, as they should be, for winning a very messed up SEC Tournament. That means Xavier is not the main story in the game. I like that....

One other thing of note. When Xavier went to its first Sweet 16 in 1990, we were beaten by Texas in the Regional Semis. Then, when we went back to the Sweet 16 in 2004, guess who we played? The Longhorns. And we beat them. Go on to the Elite Eight, and lose a tough one to Duke. As Father Graham (our school's President) said, just as we went up and through Texas to move on, he hoped that in the future, we would get a chance to move on by being able to go up and through Duke. Who's the 2-seed, potential Sweet 16 matchup? The Blue Devils....

[thestand]

You know, I almost want to put Stanford in the Final Four over Memphis, but I'm afraid that's just the PAC-10 homer in me saying that. But I've gotten a chance to watch them play probably 6 or so games this year, and they've impressed me every time. But so has Memphis.

I'm just too afraid to go against conventional wisdom. :lol

[clayj41]

Same.

Dickie V just made the same pick Brendan. We should change our picks immediately. :lol