Preseason NCAA Basketball Poll is released

[clayj41]

well not everyone, whoever wants to could. i think we could easily get a side pool of 5 people, nice little $15 prize or whatever. up to you guys though

Not really worth it in my opinion.

[seekupig]

Not really worth it in my opinion.

:thumbsup

i'm already in a money pool (30 people in at $20 a pop so far....). i use the same bracket for all of them, but my ants one is for bragging rights and fun. no paypal for me.....

"straight cash, homey." - Randy Moss

[UNLTrpt]

I should do my NIT bracket huh...

[JRod1229]

yea I'm in my work one and we've got a large pool too, that'll be my one money one...

I hope Butler does well

[UNLTrpt]

1) OHIO ST. (19-13) vs. 8) UNC-Asheville (23-9)
4) CALIFORNIA (16-15) vs. 5) New Mexico (24-8)
3) DAYTON (21-10) vs. 6) Cleveland St. (21-12)
2) ILLINOIS ST. (24-9) vs. 7) Utah St. (24-10)

Ohio State vs. California
Dayton vs. Illinois St.

Ohio State vs. Dayton

1) VIRGINIA TECH (19-12) vs. 8) Morgan St. (21-10)
4) VCU (24-7) vs. 5) University Alabama-Birmingham (aka UAB) (22-10)
3) NEBRASKA (19-12) vs. 6) Charlotte (20-13)
2) MISSISSIPPI (21-10) vs. 7) Cal Santa Barbara (23-8)

Virginia Tech vs. UAB
Nebraska vs. Mississippi

Nebraska vs. UAB

1) ARIZONA ST. (19-12) vs. 8) Alabama St. (20-10)
4) SOUTHERN ILLINOIS (17-14) vs. 5) Oklahoma St. (17-15)
3) CREIGHTON (21-10) vs. 6) Rhode Island (21-11)
2) FLORIDA (21-11) vs. 7) San Diego St. (20-12)

Arizona State vs. Oklahoma State
Creighton vs. Florida

Arizona State vs. Florida

1) SYRACUSE (19-13) vs. 8) Robert Morris (26-7)
4) MINNESOTA (20-12) vs. 5) Maryland (18-14)
3) FLORIDA ST. (19-14) vs. 6) Akron (23-9)
2) UMASS (21-10) vs. 7) Stephen F. Austin (26-6)

Syracuse vs. Minnesota
Florida State vs. UMASS

Minnesota vs. UMASS

Dayton vs. Nebraska
Florida vs. UMASS

Nebraska vs. Florida
75-64

[clayj41]

:thumbsup

i'm already in a money pool (30 people in at $20 a pop so far....). i use the same bracket for all of them, but my ants one is for bragging rights and fun. no paypal for me.....

"straight cash, homey." - Randy Moss

:thumbsup I'm in a similar pool.




In other news, I just filled out my first women's bracket ever! :lol

[seekupig]

In other news, I just filled out my first women's bracket ever! :lol

:ugh :ugh :ugh

you'll have to start another thread if you want to discuss that nonsense.....

[UNLTrpt]

In other news, I just filled out my first women's bracket ever! :lol

you know...a couple of years ago I did a womens bracket and I finished in the top 95% on ESPN.com

[dreamingtreeIU]

you know...a couple of years ago I did a womens bracket and I finished in the top 95% on ESPN.com

Isn't that bad?

[clayj41]

:ugh :ugh :ugh

you'll have to start another thread if you want to discuss that nonsense.....

Hey, cash prizes was all I needed to hear. :lol

[seekupig]

Hey, cash prizes was all I needed to hear. :lol

dignity > cash

[GavMan33]

Isn't that bad?

:lol That's what I was thinking too

[GavMan33]

So who's winning the women's bracket? Tennessee or UConn? I don't know much about women's hoop, but I know those two are really good. Oh yeah, and I know that I would not wanna piss off Pat Summit, she looks like a complete badass that could end any of our lives any time she wanted....

[seekupig]

So who's winning the women's bracket?


nappy headed ho's FTW......

GO RUTGERS!!!:multi :multi




:o

[GavMan33]

nappy headed ho's FTW......

GO RUTGERS!!!:multi :multi




:o

Does anybody know how to pronounce Imus? :rolleyes

[clayj41]

dignity > cash

I'll have plenty of dignity when I win our tournament challenge. :D

nappy headed ho's FTW......

GO RUTGERS!!!:multi :multi




:o

That's who I went with! :lol

[unccrombie]

So who's winning the women's bracket? Tennessee or UConn? I don't know much about women's hoop, but I know those two are really good. Oh yeah, and I know that I would not wanna piss off Pat Summit, she looks like a complete badass that could end any of our lives any time she wanted....
its like the same schools every year. tenn,uconn,unc,md,duke,and a couple others

[GavMan33]

its like the same schools every year. tenn,uconn,unc,md,duke,and a couple others

So I just saw you're from Syracuse :rolleyes Where you go to school at?

[UNLTrpt]

Isn't that bad?

i meant the top 5...I was better than 95% of the nation

[unccrombie]

So I just saw you're from Syracuse :rolleyes Where you go to school at?
RIT, in rochester, currently in erie, PA doing an internship

[41ravens]

all right, i think i'm done with my bracket.

elite 8:
unc over louisville
kansas over usc
texas over memphis
ucla over arizona (yeah, that's right)

final four:
kansas over unc
ucla over texas

kansas over ucla for the championship.

yes, kansas has fucked everybody and their mother over in the past. including me. but they just look like the best team right now. i think this is their year. until they lose to kent st.

and arizona is a team that can either lose in the first round, or make it to the elite 8. i'm banking on the latter.

[GavMan33]

RIT, in rochester, currently in erie, PA doing an internship

Oh, nice. Except for the Erie, PA, thing, that's a bad hit. But RIT's a great school, that degree's gonna be worth a lot of money to be sure....

[GavMan33]

all right, i think i'm done with my bracket.

elite 8:
unc over louisville
kansas over usc
texas over memphis
ucla over arizona (yeah, that's right)

final four:
kansas over unc
ucla over texas

kansas over ucla for the championship.

yes, kansas has fucked everybody and their mother over in the past. including me. but they just look like the best team right now. i think this is their year. until they lose to kent st.

and arizona is a team that can either lose in the first round, or make it to the elite 8. i'm banking on the latter.

I got you beat in homered picks. In those two bold spots, they both start with X in bracket ;)

[unccrombie]

Oh, nice. Except for the Erie, PA, thing, that's a bad hit. But RIT's a great school, that degree's gonna be worth a lot of money to be sure....
yeah erie is like a mini rochester, where are you from?

[41ravens]

I got you beat in homered picks. In those two bold spots, they both start with X in bracket ;)

my head actually says that xavier is going to the elite 8. but i couldn't have them beat my boys. especially not in phoenix.

[GavMan33]

yeah erie is like a mini rochester, where are you from?

Albany. Used to go to Xavier, going to Siena College next semester. Yeah, for those who don't know, the same Siena that's gonna upset Vandy this week....

[clayj41]

I got you beat in homered picks. In those two bold spots, they both start with X in bracket ;)

I have Xavier in the Elite 8 Bob. :)

[clayj41]

Albany. Used to go to Xavier, going to Siena College next semester. Yeah, for those who don't know, the same Siena that's gonna upset Vandy this week....

It's odd because I'm a UNC fan, an IU alum, and most likely attending Louisville for law school next fall. The East bracket is stacked for me. :lol

[JRod1229]

so I gotta ask... your alma matter has a great basketball team with a huge legacy.. yet you're a fan of UNC... not calling you out or anything... but just curious

[seekupig]

so I gotta ask... your alma matter has a great basketball team with a huge legacy.. yet you're a fan of UNC... not calling you out or anything... but just curious

wonders the Kentucky fan with the Georgia avatar..... :lol ;)

[clayj41]

so I gotta ask... your alma matter has a great basketball team with a huge legacy.. yet you're a fan of UNC... not calling you out or anything... but just curious

I explained myself the last time you called me out. :)

[UNLTrpt]

1 more hour for NIT picks MAKE EM NOW!

[clayj41]

Anyways, for the gazillionth time...


Everyone I know was an IU fan growing up. I loved watching Calbert Cheaney, Alan Henderson, Damon Bailey...players like that play. When I was 10 years old though, I absolutely fell in love with UNC basketball and Jerry Stackhouse, Rasheed Wallace, Antawn Jamison, Ed Cota, etc. Jamison was the kicker though, he was my favorite player until Hansbrough came along. Anyways, that was 13 years ago and thus the majority of my life I have been a UNC fan...and will remain so until the day I die. I sat through the 8-20 season and rebuilding year, and my loyalty never wavered. I wore a Sean May jersey to the IU-UNC Big Ten challenge game and had shit thrown at me the entire time. The smile never left my face. I went to IU to earn a great education and because it was only an hour from home. I supported my alma mater throughout, but I'd be betraying myself if I said I was a fan of anyone else but UNC.

That said, I'm amazed by how my friends aren't able to understand. They keep asking who I'll cheer for if IU and UNC play in the second round and of course I tell them UNC. They act disgusted, but what they don't get is that if IU does beat UNC I'll be devastated. There will be no celebrating on Kirkwood Avenue for me. I'd be inconsolable.

[GavMan33]

so I gotta ask... your alma matter has a great basketball team with a huge legacy.. yet you're a fan of UNC... not calling you out or anything... but just curious

Same as you JRod. You have rooted for Kentucky hoop for a long time apparently. Yet you go to Georgia, but you keep rooting for UK. I'm different than you. I was (and still am to a large extent) a St. Bonaventure basketball guy growing up, because my dad went there and that's how I was brought up. I went to college at Xavier, now I'm a Xavier guy. And I'm gonna go to Siena now, but I'm still a Xavier guy, always will be.

As for the Bulldogs, I tell you what, that's the hardest I've rooted for a team not named Xavier for quite a long time. Which is interesting, because I really don't like the SEC at all. But I was about to hop on their bandwagon for the tournament. And then came the selections, and I wished I hadn't rooted for them so hard :lol

wonders the Kentucky fan with the Georgia avatar..... :lol ;)

:lol :thumbsup

[seekupig]

my picks as of right now.....

ELITE 8
UNC over Louisville
Kansas over Gerogetown
Texas over Michigan St.
UCLA over Xavier

Final 4
Kansas over UNC
UCLA over Texas

CHAMPION
UCLA

[GavMan33]

Anyways, for the gazillionth time...


Everyone I know was an IU fan growing up. I loved watching Calbert Cheaney, Alan Henderson, Damon Bailey...players like that play. When I was 10 years old though, I absolutely fell in love with UNC basketball and Jerry Stackhouse, Rasheed Wallace, Antawn Jamison, Ed Cota, etc. Jamison was the kicker though, he was my favorite player until Hansbrough came along. Anyways, that was 13 years ago and thus the majority of my life I have been a UNC fan...and will remain so until the day I die. I sat through the 8-20 season and rebuilding year, and my loyalty never wavered. I wore a Sean May jersey to the IU-UNC Big Ten challenge game and had shit thrown at me the entire time. The smile never left my face. I went to IU to earn a great education and because it was only an hour from home. I supported my alma mater throughout, but I'd be betraying myself if I said I was a fan of anyone else but UNC.

That said, I'm amazed by how my friends aren't able to understand. They keep asking who I'll cheer for if IU and UNC play in the second round and of course I tell them UNC. They act disgusted, but what they don't get is that if IU does beat UNC I'll be devastated. There will be no celebrating on Kirkwood Avenue for me. I'd be inconsolable.

:lol Look at this guy. He sat through an 8-20 season and a rebuilding year. What's that, 2 years of not-so-great UNC Basketball? Cmon man. 2 years of losing for a tenth of the success UNC has would be gobbled up my most Division I programs :lol Don't worry Clay, just bustin balls....

Calbert Cheaney, I don't think I've heard that name since the last time you told this story :lol :thumbsup

[clayj41]

my picks as of right now.....

ELITE 8
UNC over Louisville
Kansas over Gerogetown
Texas over Michigan St.
UCLA over Xavier

Final 4
Kansas over UNC
UCLA over Texas

CHAMPION
UCLA

You will be very happy if your championship game picks goes the other way Dustin. ;)

[seekupig]

You will be very happy if your championship game picks goes the other way Dustin. ;)

19 consecutive years of picking KU to win the National Championship haven't worked out well for me, so on the 20 year anniversary of their last title i'm going to pick against them and hope for the best. :thumbsup

[clayj41]

:lol Look at this guy. He sat through an 8-20 season and a rebuilding year. What's that, 2 years of not-so-great UNC Basketball? Cmon man. 2 years of losing for a tenth of the success UNC has would be gobbled up my most Division I programs :lol Don't worry Clay, just bustin balls....

Calbert Cheaney, I don't think I've heard that name since the last time you told this story :lol :thumbsup

Hey Bob, those were a tough couple of years! :lol I have high expectations! :D


Calbert Cheaney is my favorite Hoosier! :cool

[clayj41]

19 consecutive years of picking KU to win the National Championship haven't worked out well for me, so on the 20 year anniversary of their last title i'm going to pick against them and hope for the best. :thumbsup

I totally understand. It could work out very well for you. I can't pick against the #1 overall seed though...:rolleyes

[41ravens]

my picks as of right now.....

ELITE 8
UNC over Louisville
Kansas over Gerogetown
Texas over Michigan St.
UCLA over Xavier

Final 4
Kansas over UNC
UCLA over Texas

CHAMPION
UCLA

so you're gonna take your boys all the way there only to have them lose? c'mon, man. live a little!

[seekupig]

I can't pick against the #1 overall seed though...:rolleyes

i've seen them play over 20 times this year..... i have no problem picking against them, but from a strategy standpoint i put them in the Final Four. i've been going back and forth on them and Louisville in the East, but i think this is the year for a UNC vs. KU collision..... :lol

[clayj41]

i've seen them play over 20 times this year..... i have no problem picking against them, but from a strategy standpoint i put them in the Final Four. i've been going back and forth on them and Louisville in the East, but i think this is the year for a UNC vs. KU collision..... :lol

I actually want it to happen. It would be a great game and prove which is the better team.

[UNLTrpt]

i still have to fill in my espn bracket.

I'll do that tonight

[seekupig]

so you're gonna take your boys all the way there only to have them lose? c'mon, man. live a little!

i've been living a little every bracket that i've ever filled out..... if they're going to break my heart again, at least give me a little cash in return.

[seekupig]

I actually want it to happen. It would be a great game and prove which is the better team.

:thumbsup :thumbsup

there is only one thing i can guarantee if that game is played......

Roy Williams will cry. :lorraine :lol

[GavMan33]

I look at this, some of you guys got Xavier in the Elite Eight. I'm gonna explain to you a little bit of the mindset of longtime Xavier fans (unlike me, who only started following the team in 2004). These people are very used to seeing Xavier in the tournament, but have only made it out of the first weekend twice; a Sweet 16 in 1990 and an Elite Eight in 2004. Each time, Xavier was deemed as a "cinderella" team by the media and the like, which was fine. It was great for Xavier to get out of the first weekend, that was the goal.

Well expectations have changed around the program. These guys want more. The Xavier fans in Cincinnati will think it's tremendous, and quite a feat, and a successful season, if Xavier can somehow get out of the first weekend. But it's not like that. A 3-seed shows that at least a few people have noticed Xavier, and see potential for big things.

Expectations have changed. The ground work was laid about 25 years ago. 2004 showed the people within the program that it is possible. And last year's loss to Ohio State, while devastating, was such a positive thing. Again, we proved what we know we can do. We can compete with the best programs in the country, and our guys believe that.

Expectations have changed. Xavier played #1-seed IU as a #8-seed in the 1993 NCAA Tournament at the Hoosier Dome, played them to a 73-70 loss. Played an Allen Iverson-led GTown team to 68-63 in the 1995 Tournament. We played 3rd-seeded Gonzaga to 79-75 in 2006. We played #1-seeded Duke to 66-63 in 2004. And of course, we played Ohio St. to the brink of elimination.

But the expectations have changed. Those losses aren't acceptable anymore. It's no longer acceptable to say "wow, what a great year we had, we nearly had the #1-seed beat." Because we didn't win.

We don't consider ourselves a small program, as you've noticed over the season with all the kicking and screaming our athletic department has done on the national stage. And to be honest, I guess in the scheme of things, it doesn't matter what the public thinks. What matters is to win basketball games. Starts Thursday at noon....

[UNC41]

I look at this, some of you guys got Xavier in the Elite Eight. I'm gonna explain to you a little bit of the mindset of longtime Xavier fans (unlike me, who only started following the team in 2004). These people are very used to seeing Xavier in the tournament, but have only made it out of the first weekend twice; a Sweet 16 in 1990 and an Elite Eight in 2004. Each time, Xavier was deemed as a "cinderella" team by the media and the like, which was fine. It was great for Xavier to get out of the first weekend, that was the goal.

Well expectations have changed around the program. These guys want more. The Xavier fans in Cincinnati will think it's tremendous, and quite a feat, and a successful season, if Xavier can somehow get out of the first weekend. But it's not like that. A 3-seed shows that at least a few people have noticed Xavier, and see potential for big things.

Expectations have changed. The ground work was laid about 25 years ago. 2004 showed the people within the program that it is possible. And last year's loss to Ohio State, while devastating, was such a positive thing. Again, we proved what we know we can do. We can compete with the best programs in the country, and our guys believe that.

Expectations have changed. Xavier played #1-seed IU as a #8-seed in the 1993 NCAA Tournament at the Hoosier Dome, played them to a 73-70 loss. Played an Allen Iverson-led GTown team to 68-63 in the 1995 Tournament. We played 3rd-seeded Gonzaga to 79-75 in 2006. We played #1-seeded Duke to 66-63 in 2004. And of course, we played Ohio St. to the brink of elimination.

But the expectations have changed. Those losses aren't acceptable anymore. It's no longer acceptable to say "wow, what a great year we had, we nearly had the #1-seed beat." Because we didn't win.

We don't consider ourselves a small program, as you've noticed over the season with all the kicking and screaming our athletic department has done on the national stage. And to be honest, I guess in the scheme of things, it doesn't matter what the public thinks. What matters is to win basketball games. Starts Thursday at noon....

Since I have West Virginia beating Xavier do I need to read this whole rant? :D

[GavMan33]

Since I have West Virginia beating Xavier do I need to read this whole rant? :D

:lol Nice Bryan, real nice. Actually that'd be epic. Xavier vs. Bob Huggins again. You know Bryan, come to think of it. I'd check into that a little more before you put that WVU over Xavier in pen. Bob Huggins's record vs. Xavier is no-so-good. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I betcha I can find them for you. Going out to dinner now, I'll figure it out for you when I get back :thumbsup

[haasem99]

Anyways, for the gazillionth time...


Everyone I know was an IU fan growing up. I loved watching Calbert Cheaney, Alan Henderson, Damon Bailey...players like that play. When I was 10 years old though, I absolutely fell in love with UNC basketball and Jerry Stackhouse, Rasheed Wallace, Antawn Jamison, Ed Cota, etc. Jamison was the kicker though, he was my favorite player until Hansbrough came along. Anyways, that was 13 years ago and thus the majority of my life I have been a UNC fan...and will remain so until the day I die. I sat through the 8-20 season and rebuilding year, and my loyalty never wavered. I wore a Sean May jersey to the IU-UNC Big Ten challenge game and had shit thrown at me the entire time. The smile never left my face. I went to IU to earn a great education and because it was only an hour from home. I supported my alma mater throughout, but I'd be betraying myself if I said I was a fan of anyone else but UNC.

That said, I'm amazed by how my friends aren't able to understand. They keep asking who I'll cheer for if IU and UNC play in the second round and of course I tell them UNC. They act disgusted, but what they don't get is that if IU does beat UNC I'll be devastated. There will be no celebrating on Kirkwood Avenue for me. I'd be inconsolable.

It seems we have something in common regarding UNC basketball. Yes, I grew up with everyone loving IU which made me want to hate them. I loved UNC basketball in the 80's but didn't really claim a favorite team until Eric Montross came along. Yes, that is an old name and yes, I graduate with him and LN in 1990. Heck, I even played basketball with him while in high school (not at school, but pick up games). To make a long story short, once he committed to UNC, I wanted to follow his career and started watching more UNC games. And when I did, realized how good of a program UNC was and ever since then, they became my favorite team. But because of this, I got crapped on all the time for this and it was really bad when I went to school (Indiana State).

I do hope Indiana can win their first game so UNC and IU can match up. I'm not going to jump the gun, but I do hope for this match up and UNC kills them. It will be sweet. As that should have happened in 1997 but Indiana didn't win against Colorado.

And speaking of the IU-UNC game in 2004, I thought about going to the game but didn't. I thought I would get crapped on as well and didn't really want to sit through all that. But thinking upon it now, I wish I would have gone.

[SmoothD41]

It seems we have something in common regarding UNC basketball. Yes, I grew up with everyone loving IU which made me want to hate them. I loved UNC basketball in the 80's but didn't really claim a favorite team until Eric Montross came along. Yes, that is an old name and yes, I graduate with him and LN in 1990. Heck, I even played basketball with him while in high school (not at school, but pick up games). To make a long story short, once he committed to UNC, I wanted to follow his career and started watching more UNC games. And when I did, realized how good of a program UNC was and ever since then, they became my favorite team. But because of this, I got crapped on all the time for this and it was really bad when I went to school (Indiana State).

I do hope Indiana can win their first game so UNC and IU can match up. I'm not going to jump the gun, but I do hope for this match up and UNC kills them. It will be sweet. As that should have happened in 1997 but Indiana didn't win against Colorado.

And speaking of the IU-UNC game in 2004, I thought about going to the game but didn't. I thought I would get crapped on as well and didn't really want to sit through all that. But thinking upon it now, I wish I would have gone.

i sat courtside for that game....it was awesome.

[haasem99]

i sat courtside for that game....it was awesome.

From what I was able to hear on TV, it seemed that Sean got a lot of verbal abuse during the game. Some of it almost borderline offensive. Was that the case??

[seekupig]

so i just had a 15 second phone conversation with my best friend (die hard Tar Heel fan....)

HIM - "hey man, if UNC plays Kansas in the Final Four do you want to go down to Franklin Street and watch the game with me?"

ME - :lol :lol :lol *click*

[UNLTrpt]

so i just had a 15 second phone conversation with my best friend (die hard Tar Heel fan....)

HIM - "hey man, if UNC plays Kansas in the Final Four do you want to go down to Franklin Street and watch the game with me?"

ME - :lol :lol :lol *click*

is that a no?

[seekupig]

is that a no?

umm, yeah. i'm not ready to die yet....

they light cars on fire when they win... can you imagine what they would do to me if they lost?

[SmoothD41]

From what I was able to hear on TV, it seemed that Sean got a lot of verbal abuse during the game. Some of it almost borderline offensive. Was that the case??

I don't remember it being that bad. There were some "traitor" chants, and I remember a group of five guys with shirts on that said "May, you must be adopted"...but I don't remember hearing or seeing anything that was completely out of line.

[UNLTrpt]

Finals:
2) Ole Miss vs. 2) UMass

can I get a final score?

[UNLTrpt]

Dayton vs. Arizona St.

can I get a final score?

[seekupig]

tighten up fellas.....the N.I.T. Nazi is on a tear.... :lol

[UNLTrpt]

1. Va Tech vs. 3. Nebraska


Dayton vs. Va Tech
Arizona St. vs. Maryland

Dayton vs. Arizona St.

still need an answer on this one too.

Va Tech or Nebraska in the final 4?

[UNLTrpt]

tighten up fellas.....the N.I.T. Nazi is on a tear.... :lol

its all I know:lorraine

[UNLTrpt]

Where is everybody? oh yeah that's right they're watching the NIT!

[JRod1229]

can I get a final score?

I'm gonna go with 69-65

[dreamingtreeIU]

1) OHIO ST. (19-13) vs. 8) UNC-Asheville (23-9)
4) CALIFORNIA (16-15) vs. 5) New Mexico (24-8)
3) DAYTON (21-10) vs. 6) Cleveland St. (21-12)
2) ILLINOIS ST. (24-9) vs. 7) Utah St. (24-10)

Ohio State over NM
CSU over ILL St.

OSU over CSU


1) VIRGINIA TECH (19-12) vs. 8) Morgan St. (21-10)
4) VCU (24-7) vs. 5) University Alabama-Birmingham (aka UAB) (22-10)
3) NEBRASKA (19-12) vs. 6) Charlotte (20-13)
2) MISSISSIPPI (21-10) vs. 7) Cal Santa Barbara (23-8)

VT over VCU
MISSISSIPPI over NEB

MISSISSIPPI over VT


1) ARIZONA ST. (19-12) vs. 8) Alabama St. (20-10)
4) SOUTHERN ILLINOIS (17-14) vs. 5) Oklahoma St. (17-15)
3) CREIGHTON (21-10) vs. 6) Rhode Island (21-11)
2) FLORIDA (21-11) vs. 7) San Diego St. (20-12)

ASU over OSU
FLA over R.I.

ASU over FLA


1) SYRACUSE (19-13) vs. 8) Robert Morris (26-7)
4) MINNESOTA (20-12) vs. 5) Maryland (18-14)
3) FLORIDA ST. (19-14) vs. 6) Akron (23-9)
2) UMASS (21-10) vs. 7) Stephen F. Austin (26-6)

CUSE over Minn

Umass over Akron
Cuse over Umass

Final Four:
Ohio State, Mississippi, ASU, Cuse

Ohio State over Mississippi
ASU over Cuse

Ohio State over ASU

Ohio State Champs

[UNLTrpt]

1) OHIO ST. (19-13) vs. 8) UNC-Asheville (23-9)
4) CALIFORNIA (16-15) vs. 5) New Mexico (24-8)
3) DAYTON (21-10) vs. 6) Cleveland St. (21-12)
2) ILLINOIS ST. (24-9) vs. 7) Utah St. (24-10)

Ohio State over NM
CSU over ILL St.
OSU over CSU


1) VIRGINIA TECH (19-12) vs. 8) Morgan St. (21-10)
4) VCU (24-7) vs. 5) University Alabama-Birmingham (aka UAB) (22-10)
3) NEBRASKA (19-12) vs. 6) Charlotte (20-13)
2) MISSISSIPPI (21-10) vs. 7) Cal Santa Barbara (23-8)
VT over VCU
MISSISSIPPI over NEB

MISSISSIPPI over VT





1) ARIZONA ST. (19-12) vs. 8) Alabama St. (20-10)
4) SOUTHERN ILLINOIS (17-14) vs. 5) Oklahoma St. (17-15)
3) CREIGHTON (21-10) vs. 6) Rhode Island (21-11)
2) FLORIDA (21-11) vs. 7) San Diego St. (20-12)

ASU over OSU
FLA over R.I.

ASU over FLA


1) SYRACUSE (19-13) vs. 8) Robert Morris (26-7)
4) MINNESOTA (20-12) vs. 5) Maryland (18-14)
3) FLORIDA ST. (19-14) vs. 6) Akron (23-9)
2) UMASS (21-10) vs. 7) Stephen F. Austin (26-6)

CUSE over Minn

Umass over Akron
Cuse over Umass

Final Four:
Ohio State, Mississippi, ASU, Cuse

Ohio State over Mississippi
ASU over Cuse

Ohio State over ASU

Ohio State Champs

its a tad late but I'll take it.

Picks are closed.

final score?

[UNLTrpt]

I'm gonna go with 69-65

thank you

[seekupig]

i'm actually excited to be watching this UMass vs. Stephen F. Austin game....

only because it means we're two days away from the real tourney. i'm just sick of hearing bracket breakdowns, it's time for some basketball to be played on the court, not in the ESPN studio.... last night was the worst night of tv i've experienced in a few months....

[UNLTrpt]

I find all the breakdowns to be annoying too.

[seekupig]

I find all the breakdowns to be annoying too.

yeah.... all of these experts telling you how to fill out your brackets, and then most of them go with all 4 #1's in the Final Four...... thanks for the tip asshole.

[kydmb99]

yeah.... all of these experts telling you how to fill out your brackets, and then most of them go with all 4 #1's in the Final Four...... thanks for the tip asshole.

Dustin, just curious as to what you think about UK's chances against Marquette....

[HolyCow]

i'm actually excited to be watching this UMass vs. Stephen F. Austin game....


Me too. I've got SFA in my final four!

And I agree about the bracket breakdowns. Enough! I've made up my mind on bracket and I don't need Hubert Davis to tell me who to take for the 37th time.

[dmbphan041]

I have UCLA losing to U Conn

Hey, it could happen, right?

right?!??!

I also have Ten. bouncing UNC out.

[justinandimcool]

I have UCLA losing to U Conn


Me too :multi


I'm also contemplating on advancing Mississippi Valley State, so take my picks from the West Region for whatever it's worth.

[kydmb99]

Me too :multi


I'm also contemplating on advancing Mississippi Valley State, so take my picks from the West Region for whatever it's worth.

Dude, we talked about this.... Don't be dumb. :lol

[dmbphan041]

shit. I'm worried I want to scrap my whole bracket and make a new one before the play-in game starts.

what channel is it on anywho? CBS? ESPN?

[MPizzle06]

::My Picks::

*Biggest 1st Round Upsets*
(12) VILLANOVA over (5) CLEMSON
(11) K-STATE over (6) USC
(10) AZ over (7) WVU
(11) UK over (6) MARQUETTE
(11) BAYLOR over (6) PURDUE

East Region
Sweet 16
(1) UNC over (4) WSU
(3) LOUISVILLE over (2) TENN
Elite 8
(1) UNC over (3) LOUISVILLE

Midwest Region
Sweet 16
(4) VANDY over (1)KU
(2) G'TOWN over (3)UW
Elite 8
(2) G'TOWN over (4) VANDY

South Region
Sweet 16
(4) PITT over (1) MEMPHIS
(2) TEXAS over (3) STANFORD
Elite 8
(2) TEXAT over (4) PITT

West Region
Sweet 16
(1) UCLA over (5) DRAKE
(3) XAVIER over (2) DUKE
Elite 8
(1) UCLA over (3) XAVIER

2008 Final Four - San Antonio
(2) G'TOWN over (1) UNC
(2) TEXAS over (1) UCLA
National Championship Game
(2) TEXAS over (2) G'TOWN [MVP - A.J Abrams]

[jblever]

I have Gtown playing UNC in the Final Four, but you can bet the farm on the fact that it will end differently. After what happened last year, UNC is out for revenge. That was probably the worst game of my UNC fanhood, a fanhood that spans my lifetime.

[dmbphan041]

http://www.ncaasports.com/mmod

in case someone misses a game.

[dmbphan041]

Mt. St. Mary's FTW

based on Coppin St being the only team with 20 loses.

[dmbphan041]

these guys calling the game suck.

[UNC41]

can I get a final score?

71-63

still need an answer on this one too.

Va Tech or Nebraska in the final 4?

Va Tech

[nhl123_2000]

Hey - its been hectic around here. When do I have to fill the bracket out by? I can still do it tomorrow right?

[dmbphan041]

Hey - its been hectic around here. When do I have to fill the bracket out by? I can still do it tomorrow right?

NVR!!!!!!!11

[clayj41]

Kenny George is hilarious! He just goaltended a runner that Butler shot from around the free throw line and blocked it once it got to the rim! :lol

[nhl123_2000]

Clay man - can I fill it out tomorrow (the bracket that is)?

[bubba40]

GU, Tenn, Xavier, Memphis

GU, Memphis

GU

:D Give me the Hoyas, or give me death.

[clayj41]

I don't remember it being that bad. There were some "traitor" chants, and I remember a group of five guys with shirts on that said "May, you must be adopted"...but I don't remember hearing or seeing anything that was completely out of line.

Yeah, they weren't really all that hard on him. They sure were hard on me though. :lol

[clayj41]

Clay man - can I fill it out tomorrow (the bracket that is)?

Our private ESPN bracket? Yeah, you can fill it out until Thursday right before game time.

[nhl123_2000]

Ok sweet. Wasn't sure if there was a deadline.

[clayj41]

Ok sweet. Wasn't sure if there was a deadline.

Make your picks as soon as you can though. At least then you have them in just in case you don't have time to edit them later.

[smeritt]

Guys I'm so stuck on this damn bracket. Theres no dead give away upsets

[UNLTrpt]

71-63



Va Tech

cool thanks.

[unccrombie]

Guys I'm so stuck on this damn bracket. Theres no dead give away upsets
nova over clemson, davidson over gonzaga, winthrop over wazzu, st mary's over miami, and arizona over wvu are all easy calls IMO

[clayj41]

nova over clemson, davidson over gonzaga, winthrop over wazzu, st mary's over miami, and arizona over wvu are all easy calls IMO

While Nova is more than capable of beating Clemson, I don't see it happening. All the rest of those could easily happen, although this year's Winthrop team isn't the same team that beat Notre Dame last year.

[unccrombie]

While Nova is more than capable of beating Clemson, I don't see it happening. All the rest of those could easily happen, although this year's Winthrop team isn't the same team that beat Notre Dame last year.
i agree on winthrop, but wazzu can't score, every time i watched them play i nearly barfed. as for my nova/clemson thoughts: free throws and clemson's ability to collapse when it matters

[clayj41]

i agree on winthrop, but wazzu can't score, every time i watched them play i nearly barfed. as for my nova/clemson thoughts: free throws and clemson's ability to collapse when it matters

I see Clemson running away with it. :shrug

[unccrombie]

I see Clemson running away with it. :shrug
they have the ability to, but if nova plays like they did vs g'town they got it i think

[dmbphan041]

sweet.

[DMBCubs25]

my upsets as of now are only st joes over oklahoma, temple over msu, and a very underrated game that I think will be very close which is siena over vandy. Vandy struggles away from home, I think they are a bit overseeded at the 4 position. Siena has 3 players that can score 20 and play a similar style to vandy. As for Xavier, I think they will make an elite 8 run and beat duke for the fact that they have been playing solid perimeter defense all year and duke relies too much on the outside shot. Thoughts anyone?

[unccrombie]

my upsets as of now are only st joes over oklahoma, temple over msu, and a very underrated game that I think will be very close which is siena over vandy. Vandy struggles away from home, I think they are a bit overseeded at the 4 position. Siena has 3 players that can score 20 and play a similar style to vandy. As for Xavier, I think they will make an elite 8 run and beat duke for the fact that they have been playing solid perimeter defense all year and duke relies too much on the outside shot. Thoughts anyone?
:thumbsup i too have X taking down dook

[kydmb99]

WKU over Drake. That's all I have to say.

[seekupig]

WKU over Drake. That's all I have to say.

Drake is only a 3 point favorite in Vegas right now..... that's a good 12/5 pick.

[dreamingtreeIU]

Good game on espn classic right now

[kydmb99]

Drake is only a 3 point favorite in Vegas right now..... that's a good 12/5 pick.

Yep, I got WKU in that game.

UK/Marquette... Who ya got?

[UNC41]

WKU over Drake. That's all I have to say.

I have that game as well.

[seekupig]

Yep, I got WKU in that game.

UK/Marquette... Who ya got?

i've got Kentucky.

[SmoothD41]

i've also got WK over Drake...Marquette over Kentucky...and I also think I'm one of the only people on the planet that is picking Gonzaga over Davidson.

[kydmb99]

I'm so proud. *tear*

:D

i've also got WK over Drake...Marquette over Kentucky...and I also think I'm one of the only people on the planet that is picking Gonzaga over Davidson.

Fucking IU fans. :violent

[SmoothD41]

Fucking IU fans. :violent

in all honesty, I've been wrestling with that game ever since Sunday evening. I just see Marquette barely squeaking out a win. Kentucky has been great to watch the past month or so though.

[dreamingtreeIU]

Fucking IU fans. :violent

What are you saying!? :twak

[seekupig]

i've also got WK over Drake...Marquette over Kentucky...and I also think I'm one of the only people on the planet that is picking Gonzaga over Davidson.

i've got Gonzaga as well. too many people jumping on an underdog make me think it's not likely to happen..... and i think the whole Davidson playing in Raleigh thing is overrated. a small school with little to no following in their state isn't nearly the same thing as a UNC playing close to home. i'll take the Zags in this one..... :thumbsup

[kydmb99]

in all honesty, I've been wrestling with that game ever since Sunday evening. I just see Marquette barely squeaking out a win. Kentucky has been great to watch the past month or so though.

Yeah, it's going to be close. That's the only UK knows how to play. I think Marquette is a good matchup for Kentucky though... so I say UK wins it 66-63... but I wouldn't be suprised if they lost.
What are you saying!? :twak

IU and it's fans..... suck. :D

[HolyCow]

I haven't really bought into too many upsets this year.

I've got:
Kansas St. over USC
Baylor over Purdue
and my outlandish upset pick- San Diego over UCONN.

[kydmb99]

I haven't really bought into too many upsets this year.

I've got:
Kansas St. over USC
Baylor over Purdue
and my outlandish upset pick- San Diego over UCONN.

:eek I have UConn in the title game.

[dreamingtreeIU]

:eek I have UConn in the title game.

I still haven't filled out a bracket yet

[UNLTrpt]

I haven't really bought into too many upsets this year.

I've got:
Kansas St. over USC
Baylor over Purdue
and my outlandish upset pick- San Diego over UCONN.
we're on the same page so I'm guess that's that Big 12 in us.

[UNC41]

I haven't really bought into too many upsets this year.

I've got:
Kansas St. over USC
Baylor over Purdue
and my outlandish upset pick- San Diego over UCONN.

I can't bring myself to pick K-State over USC. The potential is there for Beasley to go off, but if he does Mayo is completely capable of matching him shot for shot and OJ has been playing fantastic lately.

I also don't like the Baylor pick. They went 2-6 against Big 12 teams in the tournament, and those were against K-State and A&M. They are just 5-5 in their last 10 games, including a loss to Colorado in their last game.

All and all, I think the Big 12 was very overrated this year outside of Kansas and Texas.

[41ravens]

noteables:

bulter over usa and tenn
siena over vandy
usc over wisc (rd 2)
davidson over zags and g'town
w. ky over drake and uconn
baylor over purdue
zona over duke and xavier

[HolyCow]

we're on the same page so I'm guess that's that Big 12 in us.
Loyalty my man. Us Big 12ers know it.

[smeritt]

I've got St Mary's over Miami, WKU over Drake, Baylor over Purdue, Uof A over WVU, Davidson over gonzaga K State over USC and I'm thinking of taking St. Joes over Oklahoma

[dreamingtreeIU]

Why does everyone think baylor will beat purdue? Just wondering

[seekupig]

i don't have a lot of upsets this year.... i usually try to make myself pick some because i know they're going to happen. i usually end up picking the wrong ones and screwing myself twice.... once on the one i picked that didn't happen and once on the one i didn't pick and did happen. i played it pretty safe this year....

#12 'Nova over #5 Clemson
#11 Kentucky over #6 Marquette
#12 Western Kentucky over #5 Drake
#11 Baylor over #6 Purdue
#10 Arizona over #7 West Virginia
#10 Arizona over #2 Duke (2nd Round)

Arizona is the only double digit seed i have making it to the second weekend.....

[HolyCow]

Why does everyone think baylor will beat purdue? Just wondering
Baylor can score, score and score some more. Curtis Jerrells can take over a game and I don't know if Chris Kramer can guard him.

I do have Butler taking down Tenn. in the second round and Baylor beating Xavier to move on to the Sweet 16. The Baylor pick there is one I may change before Thursday morning. I really do like Butler going deep though.

[seekupig]

Why does everyone think baylor will beat purdue? Just wondering

in a game between teams with no stars, i'll take the team loaded with juniors and seniors over the team loaded with freshmen and sophomores every time. also on a stage this big between teams with no players that have experienced it before, adrenaline is going to play a huge role throughout most if not all of the first half.... and that pace favors Baylor tremendously..... and Purdue doesn't have the firepower to make any kind of substantial comeback that they may need.

[GavMan33]

Just wanna say, I'm sitting at 6-1 right now in the NIT Challenge, with the Arizona St. game still pending. Wouldn't it be sweet to pull a CCNY?

[dreamingtreeIU]

its a tad late but I'll take it.

Picks are closed.

final score?

I was at school, who was playin then?

[GavMan33]

I was at school, who was playin then?

UMass I believe tipped at 6 Eastern....

[seekupig]

I was at school, who was playin then?

UMass vs. Stephen F. Austin played at 6ET..... no biggie, it's just the NIT.... :lol :lol

[justinandimcool]

Anyone else recording the tourney to DVD? What brand disk/recorder to you guys recommend?

I used Memorex discs on my Panasonic recorder for Championship Week but something weird happened and I lost all the data (which pissed me off for about the whole day). Don't want the same thing to happen for the real tourney.

[justinandimcool]

I also have no teams lower than an 8 making it past the second weekend. There are teams that have a good shot at it though. Temple, Villanova, and Arizona have the best shot IMO.

[UNLTrpt]

HOLY CRAP! creighton came back to win?

:BANG :BANG

fuckin bluejays.

[clayj41]

This ones for Bob...

#12 Temple over #5 Michigan State

[justinandimcool]

I always told myself that any college basketball is better than no basketball, but I can't seem to be entertained by the NIT. I really don't know what it is :shrug I know they have something to play for, but as a fan, I just don't see the point.

[GavMan33]

I also have no teams lower than an 8 making it past the second weekend. There are teams that have a good shot at it though. Temple, Villanova, and Arizona have the best shot IMO.

You're saying these teams have the best chance to make the Final Four? :rolleyes

[justinandimcool]

You're saying these teams have the best chance to make the Final Four? :rolleyes


Second round I meant. Don't roll your eyes at me!



















Ron Lewis.

[UNLTrpt]

NIT Standings Day 1:

RJ2kWJ - 8pts
JRod1229 - 7pts
GavMan33 - 7pts
seekupig - 6pts
justinandimcool - 6pts
clayj41 - 6pts
HolyCow - 6pts
dreamingtreeIU - 5pts
UNLTrpt - 5pts
UNC41 - 5pts
41ravens - 5pts

RJ2kWJ is out in front with a perfect 8 for 8 today.

41ravens lost a finals participant in Minnesota
HolyCow lost a final 4 participant today in Stephen F. Austin

Other than that, no big losses yet.
8 more games tomorrow.

Isn't this fun!?!?!?!!!!

[justinandimcool]

Isn't this fun!?!?!?!!!!

:lol

Gotta love your enthusiasm.

[GavMan33]

Second round I meant. Don't roll your eyes at me!



















Ron Lewis.

:violent What a bitch. I can't wait till Beasley pwned's on your boy Orange Juice :hump

[UNLTrpt]

I always told myself that any college basketball is better than no basketball, but I can't seem to be entertained by the NIT. I really don't know what it is :shrug I know they have something to play for, but as a fan, I just don't see the point.

I cheer for my team. If my team wasn't in the NIT, I wouldn't be interested. Were you interested in USC when they have gone to the NIT?

[clayj41]

NIT Standings Day 1:

RJ2kWJ - 8pts
JRod1229 - 7pts
GavMan33 - 7pts
seekupig - 6pts
justinandimcool - 6pts
clayj41 - 6pts
HolyCow - 6pts
dreamingtreeIU - 5pts
UNLTrpt - 5pts
UNC41 - 5pts
41ravens - 5pts

RJ2kWJ is out in front with a perfect 8 for 8 today.

41ravens lost a finals participant in Minnesota
HolyCow lost a final 4 participant today in Stephen F. Austin

Other than that, no big losses yet.
8 more games tomorrow.

Isn't this fun!?!?!?!!!!

Go Sun Devils!!!

[GavMan33]

This ones for Bob...

#12 Temple over #5 Michigan State

I see you kid :thumbsup

[justinandimcool]

I cheer for my team. If my team wasn't in the NIT, I wouldn't be interested. Were you interested in USC when they have gone to the NIT?

Nope, I don't think I was a college fan yet when they played. But I see what you mean, I'd probably hope for the best for my team if we were in it.

[justinandimcool]

:violent What a bitch. I can't wait till Beasley pwned's on your boy Orange Juice :hump

lolz.

I think you have more to worry about than I do. Sundiatta Gaines ftw!

[UNLTrpt]

I mean...I don't want the Huskers to be in the NIT, I'd rather them be in the NCAA's. I really view the NIT as like a bowl game. At least you're still playing. Another opportunity to go out and see the team, see good basketball, and a good atmosphere can provide all the excitement that a regular season game can.

And its got all the benefits of post season basketball. Win, you move on. Lose and you go home. And if you play well enough you can see your team play at MSG. How freakin cool is that? We all know the NIT pre-dates the NCAA tournament right and used to be THE post season tournament?

Again, don't get me wrong, the NIT isn't 10% of what the big dance is. But, its really a no risk tournament. You lose...eh...you had an average year and can say you made it to post season play. You make it to MSG and maybe win it? You won a national tournament against good competition. With the NCAA tournament...a good season can turn to nothing with a first round loss.

[JRod1229]

Baylor to the Elite 8... write it down

[seekupig]

Baylor to the Elite 8... write it down

i don't see it, but more power to you if it happens..... :thumbsup

i've got them winning one and bowing out in the second round.

[UNC41]

I cannot, for the life of me, understand all of this Baylor love.

[seekupig]

I cannot, for the life of me, understand all of this Baylor love.

i can see them beating Purdue because of the pace of the game due to nerves and the fact that Purdue might be caught off guard due to their playing in the much slower Big10 all season, but i think if they win that their run is over. it doesn't bother me much to pick a mild upset and be wrong when i have them losing their next game anyways. the ones that scare me is picking a team to lose in the first round when they're very capable of making a deep run if they get past the first game. i've gotten away from those games this year....

[seekupig]

Andy Katz and Jay Bilas both have their Final Four as....

#1 UNC
#1 Kansas
#1 Memphis
#1 UCLA

way to reach guys.... :thumbsup :rolleyes

[JRod1229]

it's not so much Baylor love, as a lack of anything else... I've got Arizona taking down WVU, but either way, I think the winner of that game will beat Duke... and out of pure numbers I took Baylor over Arizona...

For those of you who haven't seen them... Baylor plays European ball (everyone on the perimeter) and then cuts and dishes... and they shoot really well... I think they'll give teams fits, just because of the matchup problem... they negate any bigman presence... I could be wrong and Xavier could do it, but I am hoping for Baylor

[JRod1229]

Andy Katz and Jay Bilas both have their Final Four as....

#1 UNC
#1 Kansas
#1 Memphis
#1 UCLA

way to reach guys.... :thumbsup :rolleyes

I love when Jay Bilas is wrong... he is my new bitch...

[seekupig]

Mike & Mike are revealing their Final Four picks for the bet right now.....

Greeney....

#1 UNC
#1 Kanas
#1 Memphis
#1 UCLA

CHAMP - UCLA

Golic......

#1 UNC
#2 Georgetown
#2 Texas
#1 UCLA

CHAMP - UNC


Bill Self was on the show Monday and begged Greeney not pick them because he's like the kiss of death in picks.... his National Champ has never made it to the final game......

[UNC41]

i can see them beating Purdue because of the pace of the game due to nerves and the fact that Purdue might be caught off guard due to their playing in the much slower Big10 all season, but i think if they win that their run is over. it doesn't bother me much to pick a mild upset and be wrong when i have them losing their next game anyways. the ones that scare me is picking a team to lose in the first round when they're very capable of making a deep run if they get past the first game. i've gotten away from those games this year....

It is easier to slow down a game than speed one up. I get what you are saying about picking teams for upsets who you only think will one game.

I love when Jay Bilas is wrong... he is my new bitch...

Bilas is the best analyst there is right now. He has forgotten way more about basketball than any of us in this thread know.

[seekupig]

It is easier to slow down a game than speed one up. I get what you are saying about picking teams for upsets who you only think will one game.

true, but in this instance i think the game will start at a very fast pace just because you're dealing with two teams that haven't been there and nerves and adrenaline will control the first ten minutes. that favors Baylor (a team that scored 90 against a pretty good defensive team in Kansas). and Purdue doesn't have the offensive fire power to come back if they find themselves in that position.... and like i said, it's only one game so it's not all that big of a deal either way....

[UNC41]

true, but in this instance i think the game will start at a very fast pace just because you're dealing with two teams that haven't been there and nerves and adrenaline will control the first ten minutes. that favors Baylor (a team that scored 90 against a pretty good defensive team in Kansas). and Purdue doesn't have the offensive fire power to come back if they find themselves in that position.... and like i said, it's only one game so it's not all that big of a deal either way....

I got ya. That game is kind of an afterthought right now. The one that is killing me is Arizona/WVU.

[seekupig]

I got ya. That game is kind of an afterthought right now. The one that is killing me is Arizona/WVU.

:thumbsup

i've got Arizona beating WVU and Duke, but that is subject to change any time before noon tomorrow..... :lol :lol

[41ravens]

:thumbsup

i've got Arizona beating WVU and Duke, but that is subject to change any time before noon tomorrow..... :lol :lol

don't change it! be strong!

[UNC41]

:thumbsup

i've got Arizona beating WVU and Duke, but that is subject to change any time before noon tomorrow..... :lol :lol

I'll have either one of those teams beating Duke. The question of the day is which one, and I keep going back and forth.

[seekupig]

I'll have either one of those teams beating Duke. The question of the day is which one, and I keep going back and forth.

considering you've been the only non Arizona fan force feeding me the Wildcat kool-aid the last couple of weeks talking about how good they are when at full strength, i'd expect you to put your pick where your mouth is... ;) :lol

[JRod1229]

Bilas is the best analyst there is right now. He has forgotten way more about basketball than any of us in this thread know.

I used to love Bilas... but he went on a rant up till the last day about how Kentucky didn't deserve to be in... sometimes I think he still show's his bias...

oh and I was backreading yesterday and got to the area where everyone said UK had no chance of making the tourney after the Vandy debacle... from all UK fans, I'd like to just say :haha :haha :haha

[RJ2kWJ]

NIT Standings Day 1:

RJ2kWJ - 8pts
JRod1229 - 7pts
GavMan33 - 7pts
seekupig - 6pts
justinandimcool - 6pts
clayj41 - 6pts
HolyCow - 6pts
dreamingtreeIU - 5pts
UNLTrpt - 5pts
UNC41 - 5pts
41ravens - 5pts

RJ2kWJ is out in front with a perfect 8 for 8 today.

41ravens lost a finals participant in Minnesota
HolyCow lost a final 4 participant today in Stephen F. Austin

Other than that, no big losses yet.
8 more games tomorrow.

Isn't this fun!?!?!?!!!!

Thats what Im talkin about!!! :bounce

And Im loving all the Duke hate everyone. Bring on Zona or WVU. Would rather have WVU though.

[GavMan33]

I mean...I don't want the Huskers to be in the NIT, I'd rather them be in the NCAA's. I really view the NIT as like a bowl game. At least you're still playing. Another opportunity to go out and see the team, see good basketball, and a good atmosphere can provide all the excitement that a regular season game can.

And its got all the benefits of post season basketball. Win, you move on. Lose and you go home. And if you play well enough you can see your team play at MSG. How freakin cool is that? We all know the NIT pre-dates the NCAA tournament right and used to be THE post season tournament?

Again, don't get me wrong, the NIT isn't 10% of what the big dance is. But, its really a no risk tournament. You lose...eh...you had an average year and can say you made it to post season play. You make it to MSG and maybe win it? You won a national tournament against good competition. With the NCAA tournament...a good season can turn to nothing with a first round loss.

I like the NIT, I do. I don't know how it'd be if Xavier was in the NIT; well I do, like you I'd be watching their games rooting for them. But I like the NIT. I watched UMass, Syracuse, Creighton, Minnesota, and Arizona St. all at one point or another last night. It's great because there's still basketball on at night, and I'll watch any college basketball :thumbsup

I used to love Bilas... but he went on a rant up till the last day about how Kentucky didn't deserve to be in... sometimes I think he still show's his bias...

oh and I was backreading yesterday and got to the area where everyone said UK had no chance of making the tourney after the Vandy debacle... from all UK fans, I'd like to just say :haha :haha :haha

Well, I agree with you and Bryan. Like Bryan said, that guy's probably forgotten more than we've ever known. But I also believe Bilas is awfully bias, and to me, bias to the big conferences. I went on a rant or two about how I didn't think Kentucky deserved to be in, and I still do. I'm sure you all remember this since it was national tv when Bilas just shit all over Xavier on Selection Sunday 2007. How Xavier didn't deserve to be in. And the more he speaks, you can see how much he loves those big conferences....

[unccrombie]

Thats what Im talkin about!!! :bounce

And Im loving all the Duke hate everyone. Bring on Zona or WVU. Would rather have WVU though.
i think you'll beat both, but lose to X

[dmbphan041]

My final 4
Tenn. vs Kansas
Memphis vs. Duke

Tenn vs Memphis

Tenn

[RJ2kWJ]

i think you'll beat both, but lose to X

Oh yea... Well... You're losing to Mount St. Marys :lol

[GavMan33]

Oh yea... Well... You're losing to Mount St. Marys :lol

Yeah I got that in my bracket too ;)

[41ravens]

after submitting my bracket in most of my pools, i am no longer comfortable with any of my selections.

[unccrombie]

Oh yea... Well... You're losing to Mount St. Marys :lol
:lol vcu cough vcu

[unccrombie]

Yeah I got that in my bracket too ;)
well you're a homer ;)

[RJ2kWJ]

:lol vcu cough vcu

God that sucked. I picked us losing in the 2nd round, so I wasn't TOO pissed, but still fuggin frustrated.

[unccrombie]

God that sucked. I picked us losing in the 2nd round, so I wasn't TOO pissed, but still fuggin frustrated.
yeah i had the same scenario, but different feelings

[JRod1229]

after submitting my bracket in most of my pools, i am no longer comfortable with any of my selections.

Agree with this completely... really think I gave away about 40 bucks... but oh well... just don't feel confident in my picks

[justinandimcool]

Bob Knight was on Mike Tirico. I could listen to this guy for hours. Not about any bracket bullshit, but the stuff that actually happens on the court. :thumbsup
I wish ESPN analysts would talk less about predictions and more about the teams/players/styles.

[dmbphan041]

Bob Knight was on Mike Tirico. I could listen to this guy for hours. Not about any bracket bullshit, but the stuff that actually happens on the court. :thumbsup
I wish ESPN analysts would talk less about predictions and more about the teams/players/styles.

Bob Knight>life.

[UNC41]

Finally, coverage maps for Thursday's games ...

March 20th Morning Games
www.muscoop.com/pickem/320-1-prelim.map.pdf

March 20th Afternoon Games
www.muscoop.com/pickem/320-2-prelim.map.pdf

March 20th Evening Games 1
www.muscoop.com/pickem/320-3-prelim.map.pdf

March 20th Evening Games 2
www.muscoop.com/pickem/320-4-prelim.map.pdf

[dmbphan041]

Finally, coverage maps for Thursday's games ...

March 20th Morning Games
www.muscoop.com/pickem/320-1-prelim.map.pdf (http://www.muscoop.com/pickem/320-1-prelim.map.pdf)

March 20th Afternoon Games
www.muscoop.com/pickem/320-2-prelim.map.pdf (http://www.muscoop.com/pickem/320-2-prelim.map.pdf)

March 20th Evening Games 1
www.muscoop.com/pickem/320-3-prelim.map.pdf (http://www.muscoop.com/pickem/320-3-prelim.map.pdf)

March 20th Evening Games 2
www.muscoop.com/pickem/320-4-prelim.map.pdf (http://www.muscoop.com/pickem/320-4-prelim.map.pdf)

no Canada? weak.

[smeritt]

Here's an issue I'm having. I think Arizona has a shot against Duke. But then if we beat Duke I know we can beat X and have a shot against UCLA in phoenix. That would put a roller coaster #10 seed in the final four. Even as a homer I couldn't live with myself if I did that. This has been the hardest bracket I've done in years. Not going to lie

[GavMan33]

Finally, coverage maps for Thursday's games ...

March 20th Morning Games
www.muscoop.com/pickem/320-1-prelim.map.pdf (http://www.muscoop.com/pickem/320-1-prelim.map.pdf)

March 20th Afternoon Games
www.muscoop.com/pickem/320-2-prelim.map.pdf (http://www.muscoop.com/pickem/320-2-prelim.map.pdf)

March 20th Evening Games 1
www.muscoop.com/pickem/320-3-prelim.map.pdf (http://www.muscoop.com/pickem/320-3-prelim.map.pdf)

March 20th Evening Games 2
www.muscoop.com/pickem/320-4-prelim.map.pdf (http://www.muscoop.com/pickem/320-4-prelim.map.pdf)

:thumbsup Nice I've never seen a website like this before. I did actually look it up online and I do in fact have Temple vs. Michigan State on here. So if you need to, you will find me at Tailgator's, in Clifton Park, NY, tomorrow morning about 11:30. Sipping on a Guinness. Go to the gym at 10, start drinking beer at 11:30. Go figure :lol

[justinandimcool]

Does this mean my first game is KU/Portland State? Lame.


Oh and my primetime game is UCLA/MVSU. Chills.

[justinandimcool]

Here's an issue I'm having. I think Arizona has a shot against Duke. But then if we beat Duke I know we can beat X and have a shot against UCLA in phoenix. That would put a roller coaster #10 seed in the final four. Even as a homer I couldn't live with myself if I did that. This has been the hardest bracket I've done in years. Not going to lie



I was tempted, but I think Coach K will have his boys ready.

[JRod1229]

Fantastic Post!

Got my Dawgs in the morning and my Cats in the afternoon... all while at work, damnit

[GavMan33]

Here's an issue I'm having. I think Arizona has a shot against Duke. But then if we beat Duke I know we can beat X and have a shot against UCLA in phoenix. That would put a roller coaster #10 seed in the final four. Even as a homer I couldn't live with myself if I did that. This has been the hardest bracket I've done in years. Not going to lie

Sean, that's because all of the team's at the bottom of the bracket are good ballclubs that had rough spots throughout the season. If any of these teams that took up the last at-large spots plays to its potential, it can knock off the majority of the very top seeds....

[seekupig]

here's a look at the local broadcast of the tournament for the weekend..... :D

http://www.localtechwire.com/sports/story/2531241/

[seekupig]

Does this mean my first game is KU/Portland State? Lame.


Oh and my primetime game is UCLA/MVSU. Chills.

stop being a baby.... :D

they always start with a #1 seed then switch to a competitive game when the freight train picks up speed..... :lol

[smeritt]

Sean, that's because all of the team's at the bottom of the bracket are good ballclubs that had rough spots throughout the season. If any of these teams that took up the last at-large spots plays to its potential, it can knock off the majority of the very top seeds....No shit man. This bracket this year is ridculous. I mean personally I don't think any team is a shoe in. Where in years past, florida was the first team i had in the the championship and didn't think twice. I'm stuck on Standford vs. Texas. Arizona vs. Duke. UNC vs. Tenn. I'm just a mess right now. Not to mention if any at large team gets hot and fucks upo the whole damn thing.

[clayj41]

I used to love Bilas... but he went on a rant up till the last day about how Kentucky didn't deserve to be in... sometimes I think he still show's his bias...

oh and I was backreading yesterday and got to the area where everyone said UK had no chance of making the tourney after the Vandy debacle... from all UK fans, I'd like to just say :haha :haha :haha

While I'm not gonna disagree with you about UK making the tourney, I'd like to point out that the UK-Vandy proved the RPI is a joke. UK loses by 41 points and goes up 10 spots in the RPI! Learned that from my good friend Jay Bilas. ;)

[justinandimcool]

stop being a baby.... :D

they always start with a #1 seed then switch to a competitive game when the freight train picks up speed..... :lol

I hope so. Last year I was forced to watch UCLA/Weber State. 39 minutes and 56 seconds of it. Until they FINALLY, FINALLY switched to the last 13 seconds of VCU/Duke. I wanted to cry.

[GavMan33]

No shit man. This bracket this year is ridculous. I mean personally I don't think any team is a shoe in. Where in years past, florida was the first team i had in the the championship and didn't think twice. I'm stuck on Standford vs. Texas. Arizona vs. Duke. UNC vs. Tenn. I'm just a mess right now. Not to mention if any at large team gets hot and fucks upo the whole damn thing.

I got Duke over Zona actually. But that may be because I want another shot at the Dookies :rolleyes

[seekupig]

I hope so. Last year I was forced to watch UCLA/Weber State. 39 minutes and 56 seconds of it. Until they FINALLY, FINALLY switched to the last 13 seconds of VCU/Duke. I wanted to cry.


it's different with regional games. most homers would rather watch their team win a 40 point blowout than watch a competitive game between two teams on the other side of the country. the KU vs. Portland St. game won't be an issue for you....

[smeritt]

I might commit a cardinal sin and do two separate brackets. One with you guys and one for a 50 dollar money bracket

[seekupig]

I might commit a cardinal sin and do two separate brackets. One with you guys and one for a 50 dollar money bracket

:banned

[GavMan33]

I hope so. Last year I was forced to watch UCLA/Weber State. 39 minutes and 56 seconds of it. Until they FINALLY, FINALLY switched to the last 13 seconds of VCU/Duke. I wanted to cry.

If you remember, last year that was the late game on Thursday night in Buffalo. I was in a bar with my buddy in Albany because I wanted to watch the Xavier/BYU game. A bunch of people were watching Duke/VCU. When VCU hit the shot to beat Duke, there was a big collective cheer from everybody in the bar, it was really funny. And it was Jillian's, so it's a huge place, but the noise was deafening after they hit that shot. Really funny :lol

[SmoothG]

I want to see Arizona/Duke. I'm still bitter about the 2001 National Championship game.

[smeritt]

I think my utter hatred for everything UCLA is getting in the way with my logic. I really don't think they're as good as they have been playing. And the way they've won their last couple games I just can't help but feel karma is going to bite them right the ass.

Stanford vs. Texas is killing me. Great guard play is the only way to beat Stanford but they have handled some good guards pretty well. You can't guard two 7 footers and if the ugly ass twins go for 30 pts and 30 reboudns combined it's hard to beat. Fuck this

[justinandimcool]

it's different with regional games. most homers would rather watch their team win a 40 point blowout than watch a competitive game between two teams on the other side of the country. the KU vs. Portland St. game won't be an issue for you....

Easy for you to say, Mr. 4 games on 2 TV at the same time.


If I miss any crucial moment of Arizona/WVU, or GMU/ND, I'll throw something. I can watch online, but it's not the same :lol

[smeritt]

:bannedYou'd be getting the more homer bracket. What are you complaining about :p

[justinandimcool]

If you remember, last year that was the late game on Thursday night in Buffalo. I was in a bar with my buddy in Albany because I wanted to watch the Xavier/BYU game. A bunch of people were watching Duke/VCU. When VCU hit the shot to beat Duke, there was a big collective cheer from everybody in the bar, it was really funny. And it was Jillian's, so it's a huge place, but the noise was deafening after they hit that shot. Really funny :lol

Yeah, I rarely have the pleasure of watching CBB with friends (I live in Lakerland, and that's what everyone cares about here :vomit), although I invited some people over for tomorrow.

The only time I saw a game with other people this year was at a family party. UCLA vs Cal, when Josh Shitt hit the "shot". The noise was deafening, but not in my favor.

[justinandimcool]

I think my utter hatred for everything UCLA is getting in the way with my logic. I really don't think they're as good as they have been playing. And the way they've won their last couple games I just can't help but feel karma is going to bite them right the ass.


Me too. I had them losing to BYU initially because I'm counting on the Cougars to hit a barrage of threes, and for Plaisted to hold his own in the post. But all this hype had me change it, but I'll be kicking myself if the Mormons take it.

I have UCLA losing to UConn though.

[justinandimcool]

Fun stat from Tirico: 280 out of 430 NBA players have played in the NCAA tourney. Half have made it to the Sweet 16. 93 to the Final Four. 1 in every 7 NBA players have made it the National Title game.

[seekupig]

Easy for you to say, Mr. 4 games on 2 TV at the same time.

:lol :lol

i have to admit, it's a beautiful thing. i feel like a 5 year old on Christmas Eve right now..... i'm chomping at the bit to grill out, drink beer and watch multiple tourney games for nearly 12 consecutive hours.... on back-to-back days.

:multi :multi

[UNC41]

Stanford vs. Texas is killing me. Great guard play is the only way to beat Stanford but they have handled some good guards pretty well. You can't guard two 7 footers and if the ugly ass twins go for 30 pts and 30 reboudns combined it's hard to beat. Fuck this

I was going back and forth on this until I realized the game was being played in Houston.

[justinandimcool]

:lol :lol

i have to admit, it's a beautiful thing. i feel like a 5 year old on Christmas Eve right now..... i'm chomping at the bit to grill out, drink beer and watch multiple tourney games for nearly 12 consecutive hours.... on back-to-back days.

:multi :multi

What a bitch. I can get 2 games at one time max. But hey, I'm used to it.


You've seen Portland State right? They're led by a 5'6 PG named Dominguez, exceptional passer. Not a terrible shooting team, but nothing stood out defensively. Kansas by 34.

[seekupig]

just found this on ESPN..... pretty useless, but cool at the same time. Joe Lunardi ranked every team from 64 down to 1 (in order of their departure from the tourney) and posted a few notes and the score of what he thinks will be their last game.......

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/ncaatourney08/columns/story?columnist=lunardi_joe&id=3300831

some notables for the regulars.....

62. MOUNT SAINT MARY'S The Mountaineers have won nine of 10 after defeating Coppin State in the opening-round game. The ride ends in Charlotte, however, and it could be ugly. North Carolina dominates, 98-66.

57. PORTLAND STATE I thought the Vikings were worthy of a No. 15 seed. Not that it'll matter against Kansas, which was a No. 2 seed up until the final hours of Selection Sunday. It's the Jayhawks in a rout, 101-68.

55. GEORGIA Xavier has been off a beat of late, but the Bulldogs figure to be spent after their marathon hours at the SEC tournament. An incredible story ends in the nation's capital. Georgia falls, 75-57.

49. KENTUCKY This isn't a good matchup for UK. The Wildcats need to hold up against a tough and tested Marquette club that has key advantages all over the floor. Kentucky saved its season by getting this far but loses fairly handily, 77-62.

41. OKLAHOMA The Sooners are banged up. Phil Martelli is 7-1 in first-round NCAA and NIT games at Saint Joseph's, losing only when Delonte West was injured in 2003. It's the Hawks' balanced offense besting the OU defense, 73-68.

35. INDIANA This one's easy. I think the Hoosiers stopped playing a couple of weeks ago, and the committee noticed. So will Arkansas in a 73-67 victory.

20. SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA The Trojans will find Wisconsin a whole lot tougher than Kansas State once they reach Round 2. You can just see the Badgers forcing O.J. Mayo into one of those 6-for-22 shooting nights. USC goes down, 67-60.

17. DUKE Let me ask you this: If Arizona and Duke had played in December on a neutral court, which would have been favored? The honest answer is "we don't know." Sounds to me like two teams much closer in talent than their respective seeds. Also, sounds like an upset special for Arizona, 71-69.

11. XAVIER The Musketeers are a hard team to figure, as their incredible balance can be both a blessing and a curse. What it's not is enough to beat another Arizona school in its home state. Xavier falls to Arizona in the Sweet 16, 75-71.

8. ARIZONA Why is no one talking about the possibility of Arizona's winning two games and playing in Phoenix? You heard it here first. The Wildcats edge West Virginia and then stun Duke. The run ends in the Elite Eight against Pac-10 rival UCLA, 74-71.

3. NORTH CAROLINA It's only a matter of time before Roy Williams faces his former team. That it comes in the Final Four is even better, but Kansas has an edge at the defensive end and enough big bodies to wear down Tyler Hansbrough. It's KU over UNC for a chance to play for the title, 81-78.

2. KANSAS The Big 12 gets its two best teams into the Final Four, but neither cuts down the nets. The Jayhawks leave it all on the floor to best Carolina in the game of the tournament and then succumb to UCLA's incredible balance two nights later, 74-71.

[unccrombie]

If you remember, last year that was the late game on Thursday night in Buffalo. I was in a bar with my buddy in Albany because I wanted to watch the Xavier/BYU game. A bunch of people were watching Duke/VCU. When VCU hit the shot to beat Duke, there was a big collective cheer from everybody in the bar, it was really funny. And it was Jillian's, so it's a huge place, but the noise was deafening after they hit that shot. Really funny :lol
i've been there :thumbsup

[kydmb99]

just found this on ESPN..... pretty useless, but cool at the same time. Joe Lunardi ranked every team from 64 down to 1 (in order of their departure from the tourney) and posted a few notes and the score of what he thinks will be their last game.......

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/ncaatourney08/columns/story?columnist=lunardi_joe&id=3300831

some notables for the regulars.....

62. MOUNT SAINT MARY'S The Mountaineers have won nine of 10 after defeating Coppin State in the opening-round game. The ride ends in Charlotte, however, and it could be ugly. North Carolina dominates, 98-66.

57. PORTLAND STATE I thought the Vikings were worthy of a No. 15 seed. Not that it'll matter against Kansas, which was a No. 2 seed up until the final hours of Selection Sunday. It's the Jayhawks in a rout, 101-68.

55. GEORGIA Xavier has been off a beat of late, but the Bulldogs figure to be spent after their marathon hours at the SEC tournament. An incredible story ends in the nation's capital. Georgia falls, 75-57.

49. KENTUCKY This isn't a good matchup for UK. The Wildcats need to hold up against a tough and tested Marquette club that has key advantages all over the floor. Kentucky saved its season by getting this far but loses fairly handily, 77-62.

41. OKLAHOMA The Sooners are banged up. Phil Martelli is 7-1 in first-round NCAA and NIT games at Saint Joseph's, losing only when Delonte West was injured in 2003. It's the Hawks' balanced offense besting the OU defense, 73-68.

35. INDIANA This one's easy. I think the Hoosiers stopped playing a couple of weeks ago, and the committee noticed. So will Arkansas in a 73-67 victory.

20. SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA The Trojans will find Wisconsin a whole lot tougher than Kansas State once they reach Round 2. You can just see the Badgers forcing O.J. Mayo into one of those 6-for-22 shooting nights. USC goes down, 67-60.

17. DUKE Let me ask you this: If Arizona and Duke had played in December on a neutral court, which would have been favored? The honest answer is "we don't know." Sounds to me like two teams much closer in talent than their respective seeds. Also, sounds like an upset special for Arizona, 71-69.

11. XAVIER The Musketeers are a hard team to figure, as their incredible balance can be both a blessing and a curse. What it's not is enough to beat another Arizona school in its home state. Xavier falls to Arizona in the Sweet 16, 75-71.

8. ARIZONA Why is no one talking about the possibility of Arizona's winning two games and playing in Phoenix? You heard it here first. The Wildcats edge West Virginia and then stun Duke. The run ends in the Elite Eight against Pac-10 rival UCLA, 74-71.

3. NORTH CAROLINA It's only a matter of time before Roy Williams faces his former team. That it comes in the Final Four is even better, but Kansas has an edge at the defensive end and enough big bodies to wear down Tyler Hansbrough. It's KU over UNC for a chance to play for the title, 81-78.

2. KANSAS The Big 12 gets its two best teams into the Final Four, but neither cuts down the nets. The Jayhawks leave it all on the floor to best Carolina in the game of the tournament and then succumb to UCLA's incredible balance two nights later, 74-71.

Lunardi needs to stick with projecting who's in and who's out.

[seekupig]

Lunardi needs to stick with projecting who's in and who's out.

you loved the guy when he finally put you in the field in bracketology, and now you hate him because he's projecting a first round beatdown? :lol ;)

[SmoothG]

8. ARIZONA Why is no one talking about the possibility of Arizona's winning two games and playing in Phoenix? You heard it here first. The Wildcats edge West Virginia and then stun Duke. The run ends in the Elite Eight against Pac-10 rival UCLA, 74-71.


Good man. Exactly what I have.

I am making the trek to Santiago tomorrow so I can watch the games. Can't wait!

[kydmb99]

you loved the guy when he finally put you in the field in bracketology, and now you hate him because he's projecting a first round beatdown? :lol ;)

No, I just think he's a fool if he believes A) Marquette will score 77 points against UK. Only one SEC team (Vandy) scored more than 70 points against UK, and B) It is NOT a bad matchup for UK "all over the floor". I don't care if he picks Marquette at all, but I disagree strongly with the margin and reasoning. Also, I've never "loved" or hated the guy...

[GavMan33]

Lunardi needs to stick with projecting who's in and who's out.

:lol HOMER!

Hey, just so we can settle this? Can we all just come out of the closet :rolleyes and say we're homers? I for one, am a homer....

Xavier with a big upset over UCLA to go to the Final Four....

[kydmb99]

Having watched Arizona several times this year, they've done absolutely NOTHING to show me they can win a couple of games in pressure situations. I could be wrong though.

[kydmb99]

:lol HOMER!

Hey, just so we can settle this? Can we all just come out of the closet :rolleyes and say we're homers? I for one, am a homer....

Xavier with a big upset over UCLA to go to the Final Four....

Look at my avatar... Do I really need to admit that I'm a homer.

I have UK losing in 2nd round.

[justinandimcool]

I personally don't think Marquette matches up that well with UK at all.

[kydmb99]

I personally don't think Marquette matches up that well with UK at all.

They don't really. Their strength are guards, and they're going up against 2 All-SEC guards in Crawford and Bradley, and a matchup nightmare in 6'6 PG Derrick Jasper, who was named to the CNNSI "All-Glue Guy" team (counts for something. :D )

Also, they are really weak down low, so they don't have an advantage there over UK. Perry Stevenson, a long 6'9 Forward shredded Florida and Tennessee, who are both like Marquette down low, with 13 and 14, and 18 and 10. Lunardi doesn't know what he's talking about here IMO.

[justinandimcool]

:lol HOMER!

Hey, just so we can settle this? Can we all just come out of the closet :rolleyes and say we're homers? I for one, am a homer....

Xavier with a big upset over UCLA to go to the Final Four....

I wouldn't mind that it all. I don't think I can handle another UCLA trip to the third weekend. A national title would depress me for weeks. All that watching for NOTHING :lorraine

[dmbphan041]

If Kevin Love re injures his back and/or Mbah a Moute is still out UCLA won't win.

[seekupig]

i'm a homer..... after alot of thought, i've changed my National Champion from UCLA to the......

KANSAS UNIVERSITY JAYHAWKS!!!!!

ROCK, CHALK, JAYHAWK!!!!!

:multi :multi :multi