Preseason NCAA Basketball Poll is released

[haildmb]

ahhhh, it's almost time for real basketball to start.

[Third Floor]

UNC is overrated in the poll. i dont think duke deserves to be that high. wake deserves to be higher (no one saw that one coming) and miami, vatech and BC need to never join ACC basketball

[Holemandaddy]

Originally posted by Third Floor
wake deserves to be higher (no one saw that one coming)


no, not a bit.


OSU in at 24. and i have no idea who is playing for our team this year

[Third Floor]

why does wake not deserve to be higher? after winning the ACC regular season and only losing 1 starter and 2 people overall (1.4 really lepore never played and what good is a 3pt shooter who cant hit an open 3?) i think we deserve to be higher.

[Holemandaddy]

those seem like good enough reasons to me

[FrankTheTank]

we are going to win it all.

[IlliniGal]

I L L ...














I N I :D

[twosteppn36]

'CUSE:)

[DMBeener]

LET'S GO HAWKS!!! With both SJU teams nationally ranked preseason, we're looking forward to some good times ahead.

Jameer and Delonte (and the rest of the guys for that matter) are looking great and Phil Martelli just signed on as coach for 7 more years yesterday!

[pee_nut_butter]

Originally posted by Third Floor
UNC is overrated in the poll. i dont think duke deserves to be that high. wake deserves to be higher (no one saw that one coming) and miami, vatech and BC need to never join ACC basketball too much stock is put into preseason polls... nobody has even played a game yet, so all the rankings are purely objective. win some games and wake will go up.

[UNC41]

Originally posted by Third Floor
UNC is overrated in the poll.

No way UNC is overrated. They've got two guards better than anyone on Duke's roster in Felton and McCants and May is as good as any Duke big man. If only they had depth I'd be assured of a national championship.

[Third Floor]

Originally posted by UNC41
No way UNC is overrated. They've got two guards better than anyone on Duke's roster in Felton and McCants and May is as good as any Duke big man. If only they had depth I'd be assured of a national championship. HAHAHAHHAAH

thanks i needed a laugh.

[laststop]

Originally posted by Third Floor
why does wake not deserve to be higher? after winning the ACC regular season and only losing 1 starter and 2 people overall (1.4 really lepore never played and what good is a 3pt shooter who cant hit an open 3?) i think we deserve to be higher.

Wake surprised some people by winning the ACC regular season last year. And true they only lost one starter, but look who that starter was. They are losing 20 pts/game and better than 8 boards/game. That is a big loss considering the leader he was. Someone will have to step up and they will wait to see if someone does.

On the other hand, UNC only lost two players, neither of them starters. Being a UNC fan, I'll agree they are overhyping them, I just hope they can live up to it and then some. But the talent of the tarheels was obviously there last year, just need to play together for 40 mins instead of 25 or 30.

[JanelleM]

All I have to say is
U

of

A

#4 in the polls. #1 in our hearts. Lute is the best and with their 2 new frosh players they will be great again.

[dmbwildcat]

Originally posted by haildmb
ahhhh, it's almost time for real basketball to start.

Ugh... Duke, I automatically have to hate you now :D

GO UK! National Champs!

[gbs3769]

Originally posted by twosteppn36
'CUSE:)

... is in the house, Oh my God! Oh my God!

Big East represent...

- Matt (2)

[JanelleM]

No love for the Pac 10? Damn all you east coasters-we never get any play out here cos our games are on to late :(

[stunnersal]

Originally posted by dmbwildcat
Ugh... Duke, I automatically have to hate you now :D

GO UK! National Champs! That would be nice cause everytime they win a championship the New York Yankees win a world series... Go Wildcats!!!:D

[Spicy McHaggis]

Originally posted by JanelleM
No love for the Pac 10? Damn all you east coasters-we never get any play out here cos our games are on to late :(
Yeah, what the hell is that?

I predict USC/ASU for the Pac-10 title.

;)

[gbs3769]

Originally posted by JanelleM
No love for the Pac 10? Damn all you east coasters-we never get any play out here cos our games are on to late :(

It's just that you can't handle the East Coast game. East Coast = College Basketball.

- Matt (2)

[JanelleM]

Damn you Matt! That isn't true anymore...Oregon, U of A, Stanford have all proved to be major contenders.

Jon I love ya bro, but as an someone who has been to ASU-they suck ass. #36, and while that doesn't matter too much, they can never take it to the next level.

[Spicy McHaggis]

I know... I'm worried about my school. We'll either be really good or really bad.

[JanelleM]

Originally posted by Spicy McHaggis
I know... I'm worried about my school. We'll either be really good or really bad.
Where do you go, USC?

[gbs3769]

I'm just pumped because of who the Big East is apparently adding for basketball.

Cincinnati, Louisville, Marquette, DePaul and South Florida.

Good lord! I can't wait till Tuesday.

- Matt (2)

[Spicy McHaggis]

Yup. It's awesome.

[trippy7]

why is FSU not in the top 25.

[JanelleM]

Originally posted by Spicy McHaggis
Yup. It's awesome.
You little bastard beat us in football no too long ago. ASU is so up and down...We better win our homecoming game tomorrow:violent

[twosteppn36]

Originally posted by gbs3769
I'm just pumped because of who the Big East is apparently adding for basketball.

Cincinnati, Louisville, Marquette, DePaul and South Florida.

Good lord! I can't wait till Tuesday.

- Matt (2)



hell yeah...big east...the new power basketball conference...miami, VT, and BC and go blow themselves

[RuggerSelkie]

Maryland is marching back up to the top!!! Fear the turtle!

http://www.todayschamps.com/images/md020501-ft.jpg

[bballer]

No one speaks of Mizzou! which is good, Quinn got a haircut, so the tigers will kick all ass this year, with the exception of 'zona. Mizzou fan since i've lived here, Wildcats for life

[JanelleM]

Originally posted by bballer
No one speaks of Mizzou! which is good, Quinn got a haircut, so the tigers will kick all ass this year, with the exception of 'zona. Mizzou fan since i've lived here, Wildcats for life

Terps are fun to watch too!

[stunnersal]

Originally posted by bballer
No one speaks of Mizzou! which is good, Quinn got a haircut, so the tigers will kick all ass this year, with the exception of 'zona. Mizzou fan since i've lived here, Wildcats for life He looks so different, they will be good this year...He's a great coach!

Any Hawkeye fans???

[bballer]

maryland goes down.

[RuggerSelkie]

Me thinks not!

[JanelleM]

Probaably but it is shaping up to be a great tournament, March is my fav month!

Way to give respect where it is due- Arizona. Mizzou is always fun to watch too!

[RuggerSelkie]

Arizona can suck a big nut! I still don't believe they won it in....'97 was it? Bah!

[JanelleM]

Originally posted by landsharkrugger
Arizona can suck a big nut! I still don't believe they won it in....'97 was it? Bah!

97 it was. Hey just cos the Lumberjacks are no good! Mike Bibby all the way...

[RuggerSelkie]

I couldn't give to shits about our Jacks. We're good a cross country dammit!

It's all about MD...and I do believe we've faired better in the tournament than AZ the past few years.

[JanelleM]

Meh. It's hard to keep up with a team on the other side of the country. But they are good. I lived in Tucson last year so it's hard not to get swept up in Wildcat craziness. Lute could be mayor of that town if he wanted.

[stunnersal]

Originally posted by JanelleM
Meh. It's hard to keep up with a team on the other side of the country. But they are good. I lived in Tucson last year so it's hard not to get swept up in Wildcat craziness. Lute could be mayor of that town if he wanted. and then he can legalize pot....His dad would be proud!!:lol

[JanelleM]

Not Luke Walton, Lute-the coach at U of A. But I do love Bill Walton! Although his son is about as dumb as a rock. But he loves Grateful Dead so I can relate!

[stunnersal]

Originally posted by JanelleM
Not Luke Walton, Lute-the coach at U of A. But I do love Bill Walton! Although his son is about as dumb as a rock. But he loves Grateful Dead so I can relate! sorry i thought you mean luke, yeah Lute is a fixture there...i know that from being there, he gets a lot of support from the community...

[JanelleM]

Sal-I like you. You are a good guy!!!! There is nothing to do in Tucson 'cept go to U of A or watch U of A basketball. And the riots are fun too!

[stunnersal]

Originally posted by JanelleM
Sal-I like you. You are a good guy!!!! There is nothing to do in Tucson 'cept go to U of A or watch U of A basketball. And the riots are fun too! Oh ok, not sure where that came from, but thanks... Yea i have friends that just moved out to tuscon and one of my best friends brother and family moved out there... So yea it's a cool place, and i never got to see any riots

[gravedigger13]

My alma mater, U of D, plays Duke in the season opener. That's crazy. We can take them. I know we can. We can take them out to lunch before the game.

[haildmb]

Originally posted by gravedigger13
My alma mater, U of D, plays Duke in the season opener. That's crazy. We can take them. I know we can. We can take them out to lunch before the game.

:lol

that's mighty nice of you guys :)

Go Devils. They may be a few spots high in the polls, but odds are they're going to be nasty this year. Their little hiatus from the acc regular season championship is over. I hope Mizzou clears all the allegations, I like Mizzou a lot cause i'm a big quin snyder fan(again, go Devils :D ). This year should be interesting--it's the last year of real ACC basketball. Next year everything starts to... ah, suck. I think ncstate will end up surprising some people this year(including myself). I had all but written them off, but I think they will be much better than expected.

And I thank God for Arizona. Had they not beaten UK in overtime, UK would have had 3 in a row. I don't want to see what Duke did in 91-92 duplicated :D

[bballer]

3 most hated teams (by me) in college basketball:
1. kansas (unworthy of a capital "k") - i'm from Missouri
2. Duke - the yankees of college basketball (although exciting to watch)
3. UCLA - who can forget that NCAA championship game (no mizzou fan can). they also play Arizona, but domination seems to prevail.

[DMBMike36]

I'm thinking back to back championships. And speaking of good backcourts, give me Billy Edelin and Gerry McNamara any day. Cuse will show that they are still one of the best with when they played Mich St., Mizzou, and UConn.

UNC is overrated. Right now they are not the 10th best team in the country. They will struggle early and get better as the season goes on and maybe be there at the end. If Mizzou can focus on the court they will be good, if not they could struggle

[barefoot]

Polls dont mean shit, look where Cuse started last year. Its where you finish ladies and gentlemen. Hakim the Dream baby...

[bballer]

agreed on syracuse. called them winning it all early last year. congrats. no repeats though

[Third Floor]

Originally posted by landsharkrugger
Maryland is marching back up to the top!!! Fear the turtle!

http://www.todayschamps.com/images/md020501-ft.jpg theres nothing left to fear, not that there was last year. theres nothing like seeing steve blake crying and trying to kill jho after getting beat at the joel

[watchtower41]

Originally posted by bballer
No one speaks of Mizzou! which is good, Quinn got a haircut, so the tigers will kick all ass this year, with the exception of 'zona. Mizzou fan since i've lived here, Wildcats for life

:lol

Quinn got a haircut ohh no.


give me a break.... the Jayhawks will kick your ass all over the place AGAIN this year. You Missouri fans never seem to get it. Bragging rights come with wins....I know that is kind of a scarce thing in Columbia, so I won't have to bang it home that the Tigers never won the Big XII. haircut or not, they never will.

[StaleBunny]

UNC is not overrated, May is such a big part of that team. When he played last year they were a very good team. It doesn't matter though... Michigan State is going to be the national Champs. the Spartans are by far the deapest team and very talented. Wake can blow me, what happened to Howard?

[DMBfan41]

DUKE DUKE DUKE!

[Third Floor]

Originally posted by StaleBunny
UNC is not overrated, May is such a big part of that team. When he played last year they were a very good team. It doesn't matter though... Michigan State is going to be the national Champs. the Spartans are by far the deapest team and very talented. Wake can blow me, what happened to Howard? UNC is very much overrated. i mean they have a good team and a good coach, but no depth and they had quite a few not good players last year. so unless roy williams is now somehow god and can make crappy players good while playing in the toughest confrence, UNC is overrated. people just want to like them. its sick, theres as bad as duke and dookie v.

[watchtower41]

Originally posted by Third Floor
so unless roy williams is now somehow god and can make crappy players good while playing in the toughest confrence

wont happen. He can recruit for his type of coaching style. I wouldnt even lock NC into the tournament quite yet. Could be a long year in Chapel Hill will all those lofty expectations.

[gbs3769]

Syracuse will do better than many think. As long as the freshmen adapt well there is no reason that they couldn't make it back to the Final Four.

However, I don't think we can beat UCONN. They are ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous.

- Matt (2)

[StaleBunny]

I'de be willing to lock UNC into the tourney... I'm fairly confident that they will be over .500 in the ACC

[giddy]

i'm probably the biggest college hoops fan on these boards

with that said i take so little stock in preseason polls...in my book MSU is #1 right now followed by uconn, then zona

i'm the sports editor for my school paper and i'm working on my preview, once i'm done i'll post it on the boards

[haildmb]

Originally posted by giddy
i'm probably the biggest college hoops fan on these boards

wrong :D

[jrcdmb40]

MIZZOU...

[StaleBunny]

MSU MSU MSU, try to match a rotation of Hill, torbet, Anderson, Ager, Brown and Cotton. And Delco is going to be a supise down low.

[daveindy2k2]

Originally posted by StaleBunny
And Delco is going to be a supise down low.

good big man from indiana. hopefully he comes out to what he played like here.

GO HOOSIERS!!!

[onesweetworld15]

Originally posted by Third Floor
why does wake not deserve to be higher? after winning the ACC regular season and only losing 1 starter and 2 people overall (1.4 really lepore never played and what good is a 3pt shooter who cant hit an open 3?) i think we deserve to be higher.

I'd say you lost about 55% of your team in JHo. Although, you had a good year recruting, I believe. Don't worry, there's always golf for WFU. Bill Haas is the man.

[asmjm39]

I am no UNC fan but the underclassmen got so much PT last year, and with Roy coming in, I think the Tar Heels may bring him his first championship

[giddy]

Originally posted by haildmb
wrong :D

if you'd like a go at some trivia, i'm game

[DMBMike36]

Originally posted by gbs3769
Syracuse will do better than many think. As long as the freshmen adapt well there is no reason that they couldn't make it back to the Final Four.

However, I don't think we can beat UCONN. They are ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous.

- Matt (2)

Those 3 (well 2 and a half) freshman we had last year adapted pretty damn well. With an even more balanced team and less pressure on them I see no reason why this years class can't do the same.

As for UConn. We won a national championship last year and they beat us twice:lol so you never know

[FrankTheTank]

Originally posted by bballer
3 most hated teams (by me) in college basketball:
1. kansas (unworthy of a capital "k") - i'm from Missouri
2. Duke - the yankees of college basketball (although exciting to watch)
3. UCLA - who can forget that NCAA championship game (no mizzou fan can). they also play Arizona, but domination seems to prevail.

I used to hate Duke until they let me in their school. Now, I have to like them.

[blakers81]

Originally posted by watchtower41
:lol

Quinn got a haircut ohh no.


give me a break.... the Jayhawks will kick your ass all over the place AGAIN this year. You Missouri fans never seem to get it. Bragging rights come with wins....I know that is kind of a scarce thing in Columbia, so I won't have to bang it home that the Tigers never won the Big XII. haircut or not, they never will.
Wow. Just wow. You lost Roy and how many seniors? kU is overrated pre-season. I know the new coach is good but it's still going to take him 2 or 3 years to bring that program back up to where Roy had it. (And as much as I hate him the man was unbeatable at home. I heard a stat that in all his years at kU he had only lost 7 or 17? at home. That's a hell of a statment. Too bad you lost him.) Just bring it this year we'll see what happens.

M-I-Z - Z-O-U

[Roi&hisbentsax]

Uconn...thats all I have to say. All NCAA b-ball championships are gonna be in Storrs this year...Men and Women, all the way.
Jason

[lisdmb]

Originally posted by FrankTheTank
I used to hate Duke until they let me in their school. Now, I have to like them.

:lol damn, another one went over to the dark side!

anyway, go heels! the key thing this year is depth...we have none. if a key player like may is hurt again this year, we won't get very far late in the season. we have talent and coaching, but we need a stronger bench. but if everyone stays healthy...whoohooo!!

[giddy]

Originally posted by blakers81
Wow. Just wow. You lost Roy and how many seniors? kU is overrated pre-season. I know the new coach is good but it's still going to take him 2 or 3 years to bring that program back up to where Roy had it. (And as much as I hate him the man was unbeatable at home. I heard a stat that in all his years at kU he had only lost 7 or 17? at home. That's a hell of a statment. Too bad you lost him.) Just bring it this year we'll see what happens.

M-I-Z - Z-O-U

never underrate a team with Self coaching it

[darbini]

I don't know who they're going to play, but the FLORIDA GATORS are going to be in the finals, mark this post! I can't believe that not one person even mentioned UF. The only thing close was FSU, but everyone knows they suck.:)

[giddy]

Originally posted by darbini
I don't know who they're going to play, but the FLORIDA GATORS are going to be in the finals, mark this post! I can't believe that not one person even mentioned UF. The only thing close was FSU, but everyone knows they suck.:)

the gators under the donovan era can go either way at this point, but it's certain they're flirting with one of the most disappointing teams to be possibly great along with g'town in the 80's and unlv

[darbini]

With Lee, Walsh, and Roberson and the core of new talent that Donovan has brought to UF, I don't see them falling off track too much. I am way too anxious for the season to start! Just think if Donnell Harvey would've stayed, and Kwame would've kept his word. OUR D is just as explosive as our O!

[giddy]

Originally posted by darbini
With Lee, Walsh, and Roberson and the core of new talent that Donovan has brought to UF, I don't see them falling off track too much. I am way too anxious for the season to start! Just think if Donnell Harvey would've stayed, and Kwame would've kept his word. OUR D is just as explosive as our O!

i've been on the walsh bandwagon since day 1

[darbini]

I really hate next year. Next year was this year dammit! Go cubs!

[UNC41]

I truly believe this is the year for the Tar Heels. Roy's second year at the helm so they'll have his system more down and there isn't a more talented starting five in the nation. McCants is the best shooting guard in the country, Felton the second best PG, May a top 10 PF/C, and Jawad is another stud. This is without even mentioning Marvin Williams, the best incoming freshman in the nation. Depth won't be the issue it was last year. Quentin Thomas will give Felton some backup at PG finally, Scott, Manuel, and Noel are all solid role players. I like this team a lot. GO HEELS.

[Trainer2375]

UNLV!


:freak

[twosteppn36]

watch out for the 'cuse this year again....


and edelin won his appeal....which makes things even better

[Third Floor]

I truly believe this is the year for the Tar Heels. Roy's second year at the helm so they'll have his system more down and there isn't a more talented starting five in the nation. McCants is the best shooting guard in the country, Felton the second best PG, May a top 10 PF/C, and Jawad is another stud. This is without even mentioning Marvin Williams, the best incoming freshman in the nation. Depth won't be the issue it was last year. Quentin Thomas will give Felton some backup at PG finally, Scott, Manuel, and Noel are all solid role players. I like this team a lot. GO HEELS.
it would help if they were even the best team in the acc. but thats not true.

[UNC41]

it would help if they were even the best team in the acc. but thats not true.

You have your opinion...

[Third Floor]

and that of most sportswriters ive seen

[UNC41]

and that of most sportswriters ive seen

Those same sportswriters said the Red Sox couldn't come back from 4 games down. Most of them would also agree that UNC has hands down the best starting five in the nation. They also have added depth. It all comes down to putting it together and playing like a team.

[Third Floor]

you mean like a team that didnt lost any of their starters, or for that matter, only 1 player off the bench. yeah im pretty sure they would know how to play like a team.

[UNC41]

GT or WF?

[Third Floor]

Wake. plus we have the best 1-2 combo in all of basketball. but pretty much our season depends on whether vytas decides to play like he did sophmore year, or like he did last year

[twosteppn36]

you mean like a team that didnt lost any of their starters, or for that matter, only 1 player off the bench. yeah im pretty sure they would know how to play like a team.



like i said...look out for the 'cuse


well, outside the acc :lol

[UNC41]

Felton and McCants are right up there with Paul and Grey. They are arguably the two best players at SG and PG in the nation.

[Third Floor]

to put felton anywhere near cp is a complete insult

[mdude85]

link?

[mdude85]

Go Tech

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=1901038

[UNC41]

to put felton anywhere near cp is a complete insult

Such an insult that the same experts you cited a couple of posts ago agree that he is the second best pg in the country? Such an insult that every website I've read has him as a top 10 pick for next year as of now? He has better court vision than CP and hopefully he'll find his jumpshot that was dominant in high school this year.

[Third Floor]

yep. that should tell you how good cp is

[UNC41]

Ok, I'm not going to argue that Felton is better than CP. I also hope you can acknowledge that McCants is better than Grey. He is the best pure scorer in the country. He can play above the rim, has a quality mid-range J, and is one of the best 3-point shooters in college basketball. I just hope he can keep his attitude in check.

[SMN43]

Michigan State is deep this year, and talented at all spots. Watch em, i'm telling you.

[dmccrary]

UNC is one of the best teams in the country, if not the best. Being a student at UNC, i get to watch all the talented ACC teams play. Wake is a great team, and is just as good as we are. Yes, i'd take Chris Paul over felton b/c Paul is a scorer. Dookie V has us as #1 in the country, and Andy Katz has us at #4. With Felton, May, McCants, Jawad, and Jackie's defense shutting down the dominant players on the opposing team, we are a force to be reckoned with. Not to mention Marvin William, who could have skipped straight to the NBA. Georgia Tech is also very good. I'd put money on UNC, Wake, GT, Duke, NC State, Maryland and Florida State all making the big dance.

[DMBfan41]

Dukies baby!!!

[RJ2kWJ]

<-------------------------------------- Nuff said.

Everyone ALWAYS underestimates them when they lose players and we ALWAYS tell them to shove it.

[haildmb]

<-------------------------------------- Nuff said.

Everyone ALWAYS underestimates them when they lose players and we ALWAYS tell them to shove it.

could be a bit of a down year for our Blue Devils, considering what the ACC is stacked with. Dockery is going to have to come together VERY fast, and Shavlik must continue doing what he did against UCONN last year, or we're going to fall behind quickly.

Man the ACC was good last year... hah, it ain't even close to how good they're going to be this year! It's the year of the Demon Deacon, Wake's going to win the national championship. We'll have at least 2 teams in the final four(and UNC won't be one of them, though I can't see them having a bad year again). I'd say Wake and GT, but Maryland can go deep too. I think State will be better than last year as well(and, ahem, let's not forget they finished 2nd in the conference :D ), plus FSU and UVA should both compete for spots in the NCAAs. I say we get AT LEAST 8 teams.

[Third Floor]

for once, i agree with most of what john says about basketball.

[seekupig]

ESPN/USA TODAY MEN'S PRESEASON POLL

1. Kansas
2. Wake Forest
3. UNC
4. Georgia Tech
5. Illinois
6. Syracuse
7. UConn
8. Oklahoma St.
9. Kentucky
10. Michigan St.
11. Arizona
12. Duke
13. Louisville
14. Mississippi St.
15. Texas
16. Maryland
17. Pitt
18. Alabama
19. NC State
20. Wisconsin
21. Notre Dame
22. Florida
23. Memphis
24. Washington
25. Stanford

it's gonna be a good year in college basketball..... but it's tough living in the heart of ACC country being a JAYHAWK.

[mray10]

Rock.
Chalk.
Second Round Exit LOCK.

:)

[seekupig]

Rock.
Chalk.
Second Round Exit LOCK.

:)
their seniors have played in two Final Fours and an Elite Eight, i think a second round exit is taking the choke joke a little far, besides the choke artist ring leader has taken his act to carolina....

[mray10]

their seniors have played in two Final Fours and an Elite Eight, i think a second round exit is taking the choke joke a little far, besides the choke artist ring leader has taken his act to carolina....

Wait, how many championships did Bill Self win at Illinois?

[seekupig]

Wait, how many championships did Bill Self win at Illinois?
the same amount Roy won at Kansas with far superior talent

[RJ2kWJ]

I dont trust these polls that much at all. Last year Kentucky was ranked #1 pre-season and look at what happened to them and UCONN was ranked #23 and look at what they did.

I cant wait for this season though.

DUKIES! DUKIES! DUKIES!

Look for me at Wake Forrest, at UNC, and at Virginia Tech in the middle of the student sections sportin all Duke wear. Gotta love it.

[seekupig]

I dont trust these polls that much at all. Last year Kentucky was ranked #1 pre-season and look at what happened to them and UCONN was ranked #23 and look at what they did.
actually, UConn was #1 in every preseason poll last year. that aside, i agree they don't mean shit.

[RJ2kWJ]

actually, UConn was #1 in every preseason poll last year. that aside, i agree they don't mean shit.
What polls were you looking at? I saved last years polls and it says they are #23. My gay ass paper.

[jrock5730]

Memphis is going to suprise some folks this year, Sweet 16 bound at bare minimum!!!

[seekupig]

Go Tech
Georgia Tech plays at Kansas on New Years Day. should be a good one.....

[stunnersal]

Can't wait i'll be at MSG next week for Coaches Classic... :thumbsup

[OSUCowboy]

bullshit, i tired to post this thread 5 times last night, ants just would not let me uplaod a thread to the forum

[DMBfan41]

Dukies!!

[seekupig]

Dukies!!
commonly known as the "University of New Jersey at Durham"

[DMBfan41]

commonly known as the "University of New Jersey at Durham"

riiiiiiiiiiiight

[seekupig]

bullshit, i tired to post this thread 5 times last night, ants just would not let me uplaod a thread to the forum
OSU is gonna be good this year. Jameson Curry (freshman) broke all of the N.C. high school scoring records, got into some trouble (selling dope to an undercover officer at school) and had his scholarship pulled by UNC (who had been recruiting him since at least his sophomore year if not sooner). anyhow, OSU picked him up and he is going to be a very good player if he can stay out of trouble.

[seekupig]

riiiiiiiiiiiight
i'm not joking. there are actually t-shirts down here that say

"UNJ-D" on the front, and.... "Fuck Duke" on the back

[RJ2kWJ]

Dukies!!
Oh yeaaaaa.... will soon be putting back up my Duke avatar. :)

[haildmb]

riiiiiiiiiiiight

it's what they call it

but "they" are whiny carolina fans anyway so who cares what "they" say :D

[haildmb]

OSU is gonna be good this year. Jameson Curry (freshman) broke all of the N.C. high school scoring records, got into some trouble (selling dope to an undercover officer at school) and had his scholarship pulled by UNC (who had been recruiting him since at least his sophomore year if not sooner). anyhow, OSU picked him up and he is going to be a very good player if he can stay out of trouble.


ahhhh, you gotta love lack of standards

[haildmb]

I dont trust these polls that much at all. Last year Kentucky was ranked #1 pre-season and look at what happened to them and UCONN was ranked #23 and look at what they did.

I cant wait for this season though.

DUKIES! DUKIES! DUKIES!

Look for me at Wake Forrest, at UNC, and at Virginia Tech in the middle of the student sections sportin all Duke wear. Gotta love it.


Yeah it was UConn/Duke 1/2 in every major poll released at the start of last year...

[twosteppn36]

6. Syracuse




:thumbsup

[RJ2kWJ]

Yeah it was UConn/Duke 1/2 in every major poll released at the start of last year...
Yea I looked online. I was looking at a local VB newspaper though. stupid shatty paper.

[TwoStepFF]

:thumbsup
:thumbsup

[seekupig]

it's what they call it

but "they" are whiny carolina fans anyway so who cares what "they" say :D
true. i'm a fan of neither, as a matter of fact my favorite shirt is the one that says:

CAROWHINA - on the front, and....

"i agree with Roy...I don't give a fuck about Carolina" - on the back

can you still i'm still bitter about Roy leaving KU?

p.s. tell me you're not a Duke fan while going to school at State.....please....

[bustdstuff]

I dont trust these polls that much at all. Last year Kentucky was ranked #1 pre-season and look at what happened to them and UCONN was ranked #23 and look at what they did.

I cant wait for this season though.

DUKIES! DUKIES! DUKIES!

Look for me at Wake Forrest, at UNC, and at Virginia Tech in the middle of the student sections sportin all Duke wear. Gotta love it.


Dude I knew you could be grandiose at times, but that's delusional. There's NO way in hell you manage to get in the student section for Duke at UNC. Especially in all Duke gear. Iwould seriously fear for your life. Especially when they get trashed on thier home court.

[haildmb]

p.s. tell me you're not a Duke fan while going to school at State.....please....


oh but that's precisely what I am :D

[RJ2kWJ]

oh but that's precisely what I am :D
how in the hell?

[bustdstuff]

oh but that's precisely what I am :D


*shakes head*

[RJ2kWJ]

*shakes head*
No joke :)

[seekupig]

Dude I knew you could be grandiose at times, but that's delusional. There's NO way in hell you manage to get in the student section for Duke at UNC. Especially in all Duke gear. Iwould seriously fear for your life. Especially when they get trashed on thier home court.
he'll be fine...they don't call UNC fans the "whine and cheese" crowd for no reason. if it were a UNC fan trying to pull that at Duke, then i would be concerned....

[bustdstuff]

he'll be fine...they don't call UNC fans the "whine and cheese" crowd for no reason. if it were a UNC fan trying to pull that at Duke, then i would be concerned....

No need to worry a UNC fan at Duke probably wouldn't understand 99% of the insults being thrown at them or thier team. Thinking of insults to a team best sign I've ever seen at college bball game was Cinci at Xavier. The students were warned to "keep it clean". So a kid made a sign that said "Welcome fellow scholars" that still cracks me up.

[OSUCowboy]

#7, 8

:thumbsup

[seekupig]

#7, 8

:thumbsup
OSU, Kansas, and Texas should all be pretty good and possibly OU, but the ACC definately has the best overall conference this year. can't wait to see Jameson Curry play for OSU.

[haildmb]

how in the hell?


short version for you newbies, since I've been over this before:

-Duke fan since I was 6
-Accepted at Duke for undergrad; went to State instead so I can get a useful education(Engineering)
-worked at Duke past two summers
-remained a loyal fan throughout school-State is #2(I go to the Duke/State games here in my Blue. You people think it's risky going to carolina games in Duke blue, or Duke games in Carolina blue? That's nothing like being in Duke blue at the RBC center)

[DMBdeac]

Go Deacs!! #1 in the ACC preseason poll, #2 in both the Coaches and AP polls, Chris Paul preseason ACC player of the year and preseason AP All American (the leading vote getter and only soph on the list where the other 4 are seniors). Can't wait for our 2nd exhibition on Thu which is gonna be vs. Winston-Salem St. Then on Monday the real season begins with G. Washington in the 1st round of the preseason NIT. It's gonna be an amazing year!

[ousooner]

OSU, Kansas, and Texas should all be pretty good and possibly OU, but the ACC definately has the best overall conference this year. can't wait to see Jameson Curry play for OSU.

OU will be good this year, but next year will be OU's year in hoops

[RJ2kWJ]

Dude I knew you could be grandiose at times, but that's delusional. There's NO way in hell you manage to get in the student section for Duke at UNC. Especially in all Duke gear. Iwould seriously fear for your life. Especially when they get trashed on thier home court.
Ive done it 4 years in a row now. I always do it at UNC, UVA, and Wake Forrest. This year I am swapping in VT for UVA.

And actually I will be at NC State too I just remembered my friend Brian got him and I tickets to that game.

[haildmb]

Ive done it 4 years in a row now. I always do it at UNC, UVA, and Wake Forrest. This year I am swapping in VT for UVA.

And actually I will be at NC State too I just remembered my friend Brian got him and I tickets to that game.


look for me at State--I'll be the other moron wearing Blue :D

[RJ2kWJ]

look for me at State--I'll be the other moron wearing Blue :D
Oh Brian and I will be all sorts of decked out in Duke. We shall look for eachother.

[bustdstuff]

Oh Brian and I will be all sorts of decked out in Duke. We shall look for eachother.



Ants gatherings at bball games. Where will the madness stop?!?!
:D


:monkey <-- cuz he likes to ants outside of concerts.

[OSUCowboy]

ahhhh, you gotta love lack of standards
i resent that remark a lot.

eddie sutton is nothing less than a class act. he is taking a chance on him because 1) he is talented and 2) he believes that he can turn this kid around and put him on track to have a good life.

he will be a good player, and OSU is going to be a great team this year

:)

[RJ2kWJ]

Ants gatherings at bball games. Where will the madness stop?!?!
:D


:monkey <-- cuz he likes to ants outside of concerts.
:D hell yea.

[DMBdeac]

If you've done it for the last 4 years, at least be able to spell my school right: Wake FOREST. One R. And I really don't know if you'll be able to get in to the Wake student section this year. Last year there were only 800 or so Screamin' Demons (the org. that wears the tie dyes) but this year they've taken up almost the entire alotment of student tix (nearly 2400 I believe). Being a Screamin' Demon means you need a pass and a shirt and if you don't wear the shirt they're gonna likely kick you out of the section b/c they're under a new Gestapo leadership. Even if you are there, it's gonna be fun for you watching your precious Dukies lose to my Deacs. So far we've been the only team during his college career to hold JJ to no field goals during a game. Hope to continue that again this year. See ya at the Joel.

[RJ2kWJ]

If you've done it for the last 4 years, at least spell my school right: Wake FOREST. One R. And I really don't know if you'll be able to get in to the Wake student section this year. Last year there were only 800 or so Screamin' Demons (the org. that wears the tie dyes) but this year they've taken up almost the entire alotment of student tix (nearly 2400 I believe). Being a Screamin' Demon means you need a pass and a shirt and if you don't wear the shirt they're gonna likely kick you out of the section b/c they're under a new Gestapo leadership. Even if you are there, it's gonna be fun for you watching your precious Dukies lose to my Deacs. So far we've been the only team during his college career to hold JJ to no field goals during a game. Hope to continue that again this year. See ya at the Joel.
Yea sorry about the TYPO.

But yea if im not in that section I will still be there in some section. I always make it. But who knows who will win... can NEVER tell with college b-ball. Thats whats great about it.

:D see ya there....

[seekupig]

Maui invitational has UNC, Texas, and Louisville among a few others. looks like UNC could get an early test this year...should be fun to watch.

[dmb1spe]

Mark it down... Kentucky wins it all. Suckas.

[seekupig]

Mark it down... Kentucky wins it all. Suckas.
you have lost your mind.... i guess anything is possible in college basketball, but i'm willing to be that UK isn't even the best team in the state of Kentucky this year....

Kansas at Kentucky on Jan. 9th, should be a good one.

[RJ2kWJ]

Kansas at Kentucky on Jan. 9th, should be a good one.
Good if you call a > 20 point win good. haha.

[haildmb]

Mark it down... Kentucky wins it all. Suckas.

not a chance

[seekupig]

Good if you call a > 20 point win good. haha.
yea, i guess i didn't specify who it's gonna be a good one for. Rupp Arena will be the only thing that keeps it close....if it's close.

[bustdstuff]

Mark it down... Kentucky wins it all. Suckas.


That can't happen. I'm calling an all ACC Final Four. [Dickie V voice]BABY!!!!!![/Dickie V voice]

[RJ2kWJ]

That can't happen. I'm calling an all ACC Final Four. [Dickie V voice]BABY!!!!!![/Dickie V voice]
Thatd be completely rediculous. I would shat myself for real.

Duke - GT

UNC - Wake.

With a Duke-UNC championship...

I can dream cant I??? :D

[bustdstuff]

Thatd be completely rediculous. I would shat myself for real.

Duke - GT

UNC - Wake.

With a Duke-UNC championship...

I can dream cant I??? :D


Stop it!!! You're turning me on.
:lol







But seriously if you look at the confrence top to bottom (except those new schools) it could very likely happen. With that many schools having a good chance to make the tournament the would have to be split up among the brackets realatively evenly. :D :D

[RJ2kWJ]

Stop it!!! You're turning me on.
:lol







But seriously if you look at the confrence top to bottom (except those new schools) it could very likely happen. With that many schools having a good chance to make the tournament the would have to be split up among the brackets realatively evenly. :D :D
OMG! Alright we gotta stop turning EACHOTHER on like this. :D

[bustdstuff]

OMG! Alright we gotta stop turning EACHOTHER on like this. :D



;) :lol

[seekupig]

That can't happen. I'm calling an all ACC Final Four. [Dickie V voice]BABY!!!!!![/Dickie V voice]
:freak

sounds like a bunch of Duke fans trying to make the best out of being the fourth best team in the conference...it's nice to dream though.

[haildmb]

:freak

sounds like a bunch of Duke fans trying to make the best out of being the fourth best team in the conference...it's nice to dream though.

4th best in ACC = better than most every other team in the country

[seekupig]

4th best in ACC = better than most every other team in the country
true, but an all ACC final four is still a dream....

in all seriousness, could you please explain how a you pull for Duke and go to State. not being an ass, but living in the area i know how hard that must be.

[bustdstuff]

:freak

sounds like a bunch of Duke fans trying to make the best out of being the fourth best team in the conference...it's nice to dream though.


Not trying to "make the best" of anything. May I remind you that not a single game has been played, so wait and see about that fourth best thing. Also, Ipersonally love ACC basketball. If my team doesn't win it all I want a team from my confrence to spank the rest of the country. You have to admit the ACC rules!!




:monkey <-- dance for me monkey

[haildmb]

true, but an all ACC final four is still a dream....

in all seriousness, could you please explain how a you pull for Duke and go to State. not being an ass, but living in the area i know how hard that must be.

nah, it's not hard at all :) look back a few pages, I described my situation. I've been a Duke fan my whole life, wasn't about to change just cause I decided to come here

edit: Oh, and yeah, of course the all ACC final four is a dream :) We'll get at least two in the final four again though, like last year

[Gregb486]

saw my colonials wooooop up in some preseason action last night...POPS!!!

[bustdstuff]

edit: Oh, and yeah, of course the all ACC final four is a dream :) We'll get at least two in the final four again though, like last year


I think it depends how the ACC schools get split among the brackets, and the seeds they get. It would be scary if the strong ACC schools get put in all different brackets and didn't have to play other ACC teams (that's where we get hurt in the tourney).

[Dave G]

I wouldn't count the Uconn Huskies out from making some noise this year (again) although Jim Calhoun does like it better when people do.
Even after losing Gordon, Okafor and Brown they still will be dangerous this year. They arguably have the best front court in the country with Josh Boone, Charlie Villanueva, Hilton Armstrong, Ed Nelson and Marcus White. It's the backcourt that is young but the talent is there and Jim Calhoun seems to always pulls things together in the end

Go Huskieeees.. :bounce

[haildmb]

I think it depends how the ACC schools get split among the brackets, and the seeds they get. It would be scary if the strong ACC schools get put in all different brackets and didn't have to play other ACC teams (that's where we get hurt in the tourney).


uhm... they will... They split the teams in such a way that they wouldn't play each other until the absolute latest possible point in the tournament. Just like last year, we had GA Tech, Duke, and Wake pushing strong in their perspective regions.

I want two in the final four, and both in the final.

[twosteppn36]

the cuse is rockin northern colorado right now :lol

[seekupig]

Not trying to "make the best" of anything. May I remind you that not a single game has been played, so wait and see about that fourth best thing. Also, Ipersonally love ACC basketball. If my team doesn't win it all I want a team from my confrence to spank the rest of the country. You have to admit the ACC rules!!




:monkey <-- dance for me monkey
i'm not saying the ACC won't be the best conference in the nation, but you said it best..."may i remind you that not a single game has been played". besides if you look at the past 3 season, the big 12 has been just as good in final fours as the ACC...

2002- Kansas, Oklahoma ---> Maryland (who did win, i'll give you that)
2003- Kansas, Texas ------->
2004- Oklahoma St. --------> Georgia Tech, Duke

and just to clarify, i do like ACC basketball. year in year out they are the premier conference in the nation. hell, I live right in the middle of it (Location: Raleigh, NC). It just gets old when you're in the middle of it and people act as if basketball isn't played anywhere else in the country....

:monkey <--- and as for dancing for you, i'll leave that to the Jayhawks this March.;)

[haildmb]

i'm not saying the ACC won't be the best conference in the nation, but you said it best..."may i remind you that not a single game has been played". besides if you look at the past 3 season, the big 12 has been just as good in final fours as the ACC...

2002- Kansas, Oklahoma ---> Maryland (who did win, i'll give you that)
2003- Kansas, Texas ------->
2004- Oklahoma St. --------> Georgia Tech, Duke

and just to clarify, i do like ACC basketball. year in year out they are the premier conference in the nation. hell, I live right in the middle of it (Location: Raleigh, NC). It just gets old when you're in the middle of it and people act as if basketball isn't played anywhere else in the country....

:monkey <--- and as for dancing for you, i'll leave that to the Jayhawks this March.;)


the difference, of course, is the ACC is bringing national championships home :D

[twosteppn36]

whens everyones first game?

[haildmb]

ncsu: nov 17th

[twosteppn36]

awesome....hows their opening schedule look?

[haildmb]

awesome....hows their opening schedule look?


hah... we don't have a real "game" until we hit ACC season :lol

[twosteppn36]

11/11/2004 Coaches vs. Cancer Classic: Northern Colorado Syracuse, NY 7:30 p.m.
11/12/2004 Coaches vs. Cancer Classic Consolation Syracuse, NY 5:30 p.m.
11/12/2004 Coaches vs. Cancer Classic Final Syracuse, NY 7:30 p.m.
11/18/2004 Coaches vs. Cancer Semifinal New York, NY TBD (ESPN/ESPN2)
11/19/2004 Coaches vs. Cancer Final/Consolation New York, NY TBD (ESPN/ESPN2)
11/27/2004 Siena Albany, NY 1:00 p.m. (Time Warner)
12/1/2004 St. Bonaventure Syracuse, NY 7:00 p.m.(Time Warner)
12/4/2004 Colgate Syracuse, NY 7:00 p.m.(Time Warner) delayed
12/7/2004 vs. Oklahoma State (Jimmy V. Classic) New York, NY 9:00 p.m.(ESPN)
12/11/2004 Binghamton Syracuse, NY 7:00 p.m.(Time Warner) delayed
12/18/2004 Drexel Syracuse, NY 7:00 p.m.(Time Warner)
12/20/2004 Cornell Syracuse, NY 7:00 p.m.(Time Warner) delayed
12/22/2004 Rice Syracuse, NY 7:00 p.m.
12/28/2004 Albany Carrier Dome 7:00 p.m.(Time Warner) delayed
12/30/2004 Hofstra Syracuse, NY 7:00 p.m.

oklahoma st is gonna be tough...but if they play like they are tonight..they'll win

[MRGreySt.YNK]

12/7/2004 vs. Oklahoma State (Jimmy V. Classic) New York, NY 9:00 p.m.(ESPN)

That will be a war. Sutton's running a great team.

[twosteppn36]

coaches vs cancer final four will most likely be cal, memphis, mississippi st, and syracuse...you never know when memphis is gonna surprise someone

[MRGreySt.YNK]

Memphis is good. Sean Banks is for real, and an alma mater of my cousin high school.

[bustdstuff]

Duke's schedule is as follows:


11/20 Tenn. Martin
11/22 Davidson
11/27 NC Greensboro
11/30 No. 10 Michigan State
12/4 at Valparaiso
12/12 Toledo 8:00
12/14 Illinois (Chi.)
12/18 Oklahoma
01/2 Clemson
01/5 Princeton
01/8 Temple
01/13 at No. 19 N.C. State
01/16 Virginia
01/19 at Miami
01/22 at Florida State
01/26 No. 16 Maryland
01/30 Virginia Tech
02/2 at No. 2 Wake Forest
02/5 No. 4 Georgia Tech
02/9 No. 3 North Carolina
02/12 at No. 16 Maryland
02/17 at Virginia Tech
02/20 No. 2 Wake Forest
02/23 at No. 4 Georgia Tech
02/26 at St. John's
03/3 Miami
03/6 at No. 3 North Carolina





I LOVE having UNC as the last game of the year. Kinda like FSU vs UF always last week in football.

[seekupig]

hah... we don't have a real "game" until we hit ACC season :lol
yea, nc state has a pretty easy non-conference schedule this year. only game that may give them trouble is flying to Seattle to play #24 Washington the week before Christmas. those long flights to the west coast give teams problems sometimes, but they should be alright.

[watchtower41]

true. i'm a fan of neither, as a matter of fact my favorite shirt is the one that says:

CAROWHINA - on the front, and....

"i agree with Roy...I don't give a fuck about Carolina" - on the back

can you still i'm still bitter about Roy leaving KU?

p.s. tell me you're not a Duke fan while going to school at State.....please....



:lol

what a great shirt.... I need one. Lol. Anyways, I have no idea how Ive missed this thread for so long, the college basketball discussions in here have been top notch over the years........

most college bball faithful in here know by now that I basically bleed Jayhawk and Big XII, that being said.... ACC is by far the best conference this year, weve had big arguments in the past over the best conference year to year.... this year it is quite clear.... the ACC has 4 legitimate teams that you could see cutting down the nets in St. Louis. That also being said, each of those contenders also have a few more freebie wins with the strokes that are joining the ACC. I am very excited for this college season, not only because the NBA sicks balls yet again, but this has the makings to be a very competitive year..... great schedules and matchups all around, and recognizeable talent..... I think there will be a lot more parody in college hoops this year compared to years past, and the standard of play and competition will benefit will benefit from that.


As far as my thoughts with KU being pre-season Number #1 in both polls.... well, I'd be lying if I said I wasnt a bit pessimistic. THe last time KU started the year at number #1, we had Pierce, Vaughn, LaFrentz, Pollard, and Haase for a starting line-up, started the year 22-0 and then bowed out to Ariz and clowndick Miles Simon in the 2nd round. I do, however realize that was master choke artist, Roy Williams and a different KU team. I liked how Self handled the team last year, getting the players that he did not recruit to buy into his system. Simien has a really good chance for the Naismith Award.... will be a force all year long. Besides him, we have 3 other seniors (Miles, Langford, and Lee) that have won 12 March Madness games over their career at Kansas. We have the 2nd best recruiting class in the nation this year, and a super-soph that returns from a brilliant frosh season in J.R. Giddens.... Certainly a reason to look forward to this season, but again... I am a bit skeptical, Ive seen this song and dance before......
Other than that......the rest of my top 5

I really like Wake's team... (and who doesnt this year, the returning class is tough to argue with, Paul and Gray probably the best 1-2 punch in the country)
I really like Illinois team (Deron Williams is no joke. Dee Brown is no joke. Season may depend on wildcard, Luther Head......great talent, stupid head)
I like GTech's team (flat out out-played the Jayhawks last year in the Elite 8, cant find a reason on why they couldnt make a run again...unless Schensure is a one hit wonder)
Syracuse looks awfully tough, nobody gave them any credit last year after losing 'Melo, guess what.... turns out that Nat'l Championship team had a lot more talent than people thought)

UNC will be decent.... but they are ranked much too high for a team that hasnt proved jack shit yet.....shit, could have lost to Air Force in the first round last year.

[RJ2kWJ]

:lol

what a great shirt.... I need one. Lol. Anyways, I have no idea how Ive missed this thread for so long, the college basketball discussions in here have been top notch over the years........

most college bball faithful in here know by now that I basically bleed Jayhawk and Big XII, that being said.... ACC is by far the best conference this year, weve had big arguments in the past over the best conference year to year.... this year it is quite clear.... the ACC has 4 legitimate teams that you could see cutting down the nets in St. Louis. That also being said, each of those contenders also have a few more freebie wins with the strokes that are joining the ACC. I am very excited for this college season, not only because the NBA sicks balls yet again, but this has the makings to be a very competitive year..... great schedules and matchups all around, and recognizeable talent..... I think there will be a lot more parody in college hoops this year compared to years past, and the standard of play and competition will benefit will benefit from that.


As far as my thoughts with KU being pre-season Number #1 in both polls.... well, I'd be lying if I said I wasnt a bit pessimistic. THe last time KU started the year at number #1, we had Pierce, Vaughn, LaFrentz, Pollard, and Haase for a starting line-up, started the year 22-0 and then bowed out to Ariz and clowndick Miles Simon in the 2nd round. I do, however realize that was master choke artist, Roy Williams and a different KU team. I liked how Self handled the team last year, getting the players that he did not recruit to buy into his system. Simien has a really good chance for the Naismith Award.... will be a force all year long. Besides him, we have 3 other seniors (Miles, Langford, and Lee) that have won 12 March Madness games over their career at Kansas. We have the 2nd best recruiting class in the nation this year, and a super-soph that returns from a brilliant frosh season in J.R. Giddens.... Certainly a reason to look forward to this season, but again... I am a bit skeptical, Ive seen this song and dance before......
Other than that......the rest of my top 5

I really like Wake's team... (and who doesnt this year, the returning class is tough to argue with, Paul and Gray probably the best 1-2 punch in the country)
I really like Illinois team (Deron Williams is no joke. Dee Brown is no joke. Season may depend on wildcard, Luther Head......great talent, stupid head)
I like GTech's team (flat out out-played the Jayhawks last year in the Elite 8, cant find a reason on why they couldnt make a run again...unless Schensure is a one hit wonder)
Syracuse looks awfully tough, nobody gave them any credit last year after losing 'Melo, guess what.... turns out that Nat'l Championship team had a lot more talent than people thought)

UNC will be decent.... but they are ranked much too high for a team that hasnt proved jack shit yet.....shit, could have lost to Air Force in the first round last year.
Love your outlook on things... that was a good read.

I agree with the UNC thing... they havent proved anything yet so I guess their ranking is an assumption?

Ah well this year will be a BLAST! My favorite time of the year by far!!!

[watchtower41]

SI College Basketball Preview comes out this week, and they went ahead with Dickie V's pick and took the Tarheels to cut down the nets. I don't see it happening.... Roy has had loads more talent this his current team has with little to no results come March. To be the best team in the country, you'd have to be the best team in the conference first..... not the case here.


Arizona looked pretty decent last night....I kinda forgot about all their talent with their horrible season last year. Loads of offensive talent on that team, just no defense whatsoever.....shoudl be an interesting team to keep an eye on out West.

[haildmb]

well everyone's darlings, caro-whina, just lost to the powerhouse of santa clara

[rcarlsn612]

well everyone's darlings, caro-whina, just lost to the powerhouse of santa clara
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
lets not talk about it

[tomwastintime]

Roll Tide

[twosteppn36]

'cuse!

[Rob D]

well everyone's darlings, caro-whina, just lost to the powerhouse of santa clarabut at least state was able to fend off the likes of new orleans. great matchup. at least santa clara's been to the tourney...not that it justifies a loss like this.

[Third Floor]

UNC way to suck.

[haildmb]

the #8 team in the ACC is currently showing the arizona wildcats how to do it

[haildmb]

what a thumping!! Virginia just finished beating Arizona by 18

[seekupig]

the #8 team in the ACC is currently showing the arizona wildcats how to do it
that's why i love college basketball! early in the season some of these games look like huge upsets, but it turns out later that the preseason polls had it all wrong. or, as in caro-whina's case that just get the shit kicked out of them by a team with less talent and more heart.

[bustdstuff]

what a thumping!! Virginia just finished beating Arizona by 18

All ACC Final Four. It's gonna be a great year.

[ProudestAnt]

All ACC Final Four. It's gonna be a great year.Yea right, Hak and G-Mac beg to differ...

[twosteppn36]

All ACC Final Four. It's gonna be a great year.



pfffffffffffffffffffft

[bustdstuff]

pfffffffffffffffffffft

Had a friend the other day try t tell me that 'cuse is gonna win it all. I was laughing so hard I almost couldn't breath.





P.S. I'll go ahead and say it. Thank god it's a complete conference (I don't count those new schools yet), cuz UNC is apparently gonna have some problems this season.

[UNC41]

Had a friend the other day try t tell me that 'cuse is gonna win it all. I was laughing so hard I almost couldn't breath.





P.S. I'll go ahead and say it. Thank god it's a complete conference (I don't count those new schools yet), cuz UNC is apparently gonna have some problems this season.

Yeah, because one game can determine how the season is going to turn out. I'm guessing you didn't know that the only two previous times Roy Williams' teams lost their season opener they went to the final four. It is a long season.

[watchtower41]

Yeah, because one game can determine how the season is going to turn out. I'm guessing you didn't know that the only two previous times Roy Williams' teams lost their season opener they went to the final four. It is a long season.



fair enough, but what will be the excuse when BYU beats them in Hawaii tonight?????

Another day where I wish we had cable at work.... "FEAST WEEK" on ESPN. I think theres games on already...... Texas/Chaminade should be on right now???

[bustdstuff]

Yeah, because one game can determine how the season is going to turn out. I'm guessing you didn't know that the only two previous times Roy Williams' teams lost their season opener they went to the final four. It is a long season.

Hey I want them to be as good as possible so when Duke beats them it looks good (for rankings). However losing thier opener by 11 to SANTA CLARA I have to think that when they get to the ACC schedule it could be ugly. Who knows maybe it'll be a wake up call to get it together.

[UNC41]

Hey I want them to be as good as possible so when Duke beats them it looks good (for rankings). However losing thier opener by 11 to SANTA CLARA I have to think that when they get to the ACC schedule it could be ugly. Who knows maybe it'll be a wake up call to get it together.

Once again it is one game and to judge a team on that isn't right. Not having Felton hurt them more than expected. McCants is the best player on the team, but Felton is the MVP. Without him their chances go down the drain.

I wouldn't assume so much about Duke. They are lacking a point guard. Ewing and Dockery will parade around as PG's, but they are really just SG's in a PG body. Point guard play is so important in college basketball. We all saw what happened when Michigan State had a solid team with a hole at PG last year.

[bustdstuff]

I'm looking more at the way they lost not just that it happened. I would expect them to be able to score more than 66 against a team of that calibur.

Actually Ewing will probably play more PG than Dockery (my own little opinion). And I get what your saying about injuries. Without Randolph Duke would be in a very sore spot.

[UNC41]

They probably should have been able to put up more than 66 points, but that just proves my point how important point guard play is in college basketball. Without Felton running the offense UNC was lost. They had a freshman playing in his first college game, right near where he group even.

[Third Floor]

so whos #1 this week?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=1929232

[haildmb]

They probably should have been able to put up more than 66 points, but that just proves my point how important point guard play is in college basketball. Without Felton running the offense UNC was lost. They had a freshman playing in his first college game, right near where he group even.


Felton or no felton, if they're truly the #3 team in the country, they beat Santa Clara.

[haildmb]

so whos #1 this week?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=1929232


as it should be

[bustdstuff]

Can't wait for next weeks to come out. Let the shuffling begin!! :D

[watchtower41]

gotta give props to my boys for that ass thumping last night. I'll take a 40 point win any day of the week, the Jayhawks proved who the real #1 is right now and this year. Simien will walk away with the Naismith, and with these frosh they have flying all over the place, this team will only get better and deeper...... their speed, shooting (shot 64% last night) and D is gonna be real tough to hang with. We shall see, as always the talent is there, can't say enough about the way Self has the boys playing though.



also pretty impressed with Iowa, knocking off Louisville and Texas in back to back nights is impressive any year. Maybe Alford is finally getting someting out of his players now this his ass is on the line.

[seekupig]

so whos #1 this week?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=1929232
amazing. you don't lose, yet you drop in the polls. although i like how the article state that "wake forest probably benefited from carolina losing." basically saying that there are people who are going to vote for the best ACC team..... that's fine. at least it's not college football where polls actually matter.

and i won't change my sig until KU loses their ranking on the court......

[bustdstuff]

amazing. you don't lose, yet you drop in the polls. although i like how the article state that "wake forest probably benefited from carolina losing." basically saying that there are people who are going to vote for the best ACC team..... that's fine. at least it's not college football where polls actually matter.

and i won't change my sig until KU loses their ranking on the court......


The ranking you quoted was from before UNC lost. Rankings only come out once a week. I believe it's on monday.

[seekupig]

The ranking you quoted was from before UNC lost. Rankings only come out once a week. I believe it's on monday.
UNC lost friday, wake forest and kansas switched places this past monday.

[watchtower41]

UNC lost friday, wake forest and kansas switched places this past monday.


Kansas lost a lot of votes because they somewhat struggled against Vermont. (who actually is a decent team, made it to 2nd round last year) That being said, I wouldnt be surprised if it flip-flopped again next week after the severe pounding the Jayhawks served up last night. Polls arent gonna be showing any justice right now anyways.... there can be a final four team out there thats not even ranked right now

[seekupig]

Kansas lost a lot of votes because they somewhat struggled against Vermont. (who actually is a decent team, made it to 2nd round last year) That being said, I wouldnt be surprised if it flip-flopped again next week after the severe pounding the Jayhawks served up last night. Polls arent gonna be showing any justice right now anyways.... there can be a final four team out there thats not even ranked right now
I agree. but Wake Forest gained a lot of votes because the people that were giving UNC first place votes, switched to Wake because they don't realize that basketball is played outside of the ACC.

and the people that calling for an all ACC final four need to put the pipe down.

[bustdstuff]

and the people that calling for an all ACC final four need to put the pipe down.


Put the pipe down?!?!?! How could you say such a thing?
:lol :evil :lol


In all seriousness I agree it'll take 15-18 games to really start to sort out the upper echelon from everyone else.

[seekupig]

should be a fun week. ACC-Big 10 challenge has some good matchups. #9 Michigan St. at #10 Duke and #1 Wake Forest at #3 Illinois. UNC/Indiana would have been a good game in years past, but don't expect this one to be very close.

Anyone else see that ass raping the JAYHAWKS put on Nevada last night?

[Davenumber40]

Put the pipe down?!?!?! How could you say such a thing?
:lol :evil :lol


In all seriousness I agree it'll take 15-18 games to really start to sort out the upper echelon from everyone else.

The odds of 4 ACC teams making the final four are very slim. Yes they have 4 teams that have a good shot of making it, but there are a ton of teams that have just as good of a chance. I get tired of the constant ACC talk. They get talked up (not to say they aren't the best conference in the NCAA, but they aren't the be all and end all of college basketball) because of ESPN. The teams that really get shafted are the teams that are good out west.

[Davenumber40]

Over the last 10 years the ACC, SEC, and Pac 10 are tied for national championships at 2 each, and the Big East has 3 including the last 2 in a row. I think there is a lot more parity in college basketball than some people would lead you to believe. The ACC is the best conference in college basketball, but they are overrated and over discussed.

[seekupig]

Over the last 10 years the ACC, SEC, and Pac 10 are tied for national championships at 2 each, and the Big East has 3 including the last 2 in a row. I think there is a lot more parity in college basketball than some people would lead you to believe. The ACC is the best conference in college basketball, but they are overrated and over discussed.
ACC is over discussed, but not overrated. the ACC has at least five teams that could possibly make a run at the national championship. there's not another conference that could make a case for more than three, and three is stretching it. one team winning a national championship does not make the rest of the conference good. seven teams ranked in the top 25 does.

[twosteppn36]

The ACC is the best conference in college basketball, but they are overrated and over discussed.


:thumbsup

[Davenumber40]

ACC is over discussed, but not overrated. the ACC has at least five teams that could possibly make a run at the national championship. there's not another conference that could make a case for more than three, and three is stretching it. one team winning a national championship does not make the rest of the conference good. seven teams ranked in the top 25 does.

No doubt it is the best conference in the country top to bottom. But the teams that have won national championships don't get nearly the coverage that even the bottom half of the ACC gets. ESPN should be talking as much about the top teams in the Big 12 and SEC as they do the top teams in the ACC and Big East. They hype the ACC and Big East because those are the conferences they focus on showing the games.

[seekupig]

[QUOTE=Davenumber40 ESPN should be talking as much about the top teams in the Big 12 and SEC as they do the top teams in the ACC and Big East. They hype the ACC and Big East because those are the conferences they focus on showing the games.[/QUOTE]
If those hillbillies had cable they probably would.;)

just kidding, i agree with the tv thing. ACC (north carolina especially) is basketball country and the Big East is in the biggest tv market in the nation. makes sense from a business standpoint but i see where you're coming from. i'm a Kansas fan, but luckily they're one of the few teams not on the east coast that does play on tv every week. although i believe if Wake Forest was in the midwest or west, they wouldn't be in the top five.

[watchtower41]

speaking of the ESPN love fest for the ACC, stupid ass Jay Bilas said last night, pre-season player of the year in the Big X, Deron Williams... wouldnt even be in the top 8 guards in the ACC. Lol. stroke Coach K a litt'l more will ya, what a joke. I say, let the ACC have their fun this year, next year, they will be one of the worst conferences top to bottom with their little expansion football project. I also love how the ESPN polls jacked the Illini up #3 to make the game with #1 Wake tomorrow even more eye- appealing.

[dmb1spe]

You mean Dukie V? Or Billy pACCker. Fucking jokes how all these commentators stoke the ACC's sack. Every year they are supposed to be the basketball powerhouses and every year they don't win shit in March.

C-A-T-S

[RJ2kWJ]

You mean Dukie V? Or Billy pACCker. Fucking jokes how all these commentators stoke the ACC's sack. Every year they are supposed to be the basketball powerhouses and every year they don't win shit in March.

C-A-T-SI could have SWORN Duke won in 2001 and Maryland in 2002.

You are a fool.

[dmb1spe]

And I could have sworn Kentucky's won 7 titles and UCLA 10. Does that make the SEC and the Pac 10 the best? You're a fool. Fool.

[dmb1spe]

And incidentally, how many times has Duke been preseason number one and not won a damn thing?

[bustdstuff]

I could have SWORN Duke won in 2001 and Maryland in 2002.

You are a fool.

Don't forget last year the "real" championship game was with Duke (Final 4) and GT was admitidaly blown out by UCONN, but they were still in it.



And, to whoever said that the bottom of the ACC gets talked about more than most teams. It's because they play the top half of the ACC every year.




Next year with the new crappy ass teams that ruined everything? Yeah, that's this year.

[bustdstuff]

And incidentally, how many times has Duke been preseason number one and not won a damn thing?

UK will be very good this year (letting you know I'm not picking on them), but how many times has UK been ranked #1 and not won jack?

[dmb1spe]

The only time in recent memory they were preseason number one was 96. and they won it all.

[watchtower41]

The best thing about college basketball is often the best team does NOT win.... but its not like it comes easy....its earned...so all this bullshit on this board about what conference has won the most titles is complete bullshit imo... and I'm not directing this towards you, dmb1spe....but this argument has come up several times in this thread.... Duke won this year, Arizona that year, Maryland over here....blah, blah, blah that's great and all, but a Nat'l Championship does not mean that team comes from the best conference, nor does it make them a perrineal powerhouse. Underdogs will always have a CHANCE in NCAA hoops.

NCAA Pigskin should take notice of the great system that is NCAA basketball. With all that is wrong with their system, how could u not give Utah a chance??

[watchtower41]

Next year with the new crappy ass teams that ruined everything? Yeah, that's this year.


Right, VaTech and Miami are in the mix of the ACC as of this year, but I guess pollsters are taking the expansion move into consideration, so the experts say.... games against these weak teams will not hurt the top teams of the ACC this year....bullshit I say, but whatever...Andy Katz was talking about it, and I usually like his insight, he knows teams exist West of the Mississippi at least.....hopefully that same type of leinancy applies for the Big East next year.... they will have 10X the conference that the ACC is this year.

[UNC41]

It is not a hard to figure out why the ACC is televised more often than other conferences. They draw the biggest ratings. Its the same reason why popular teams play more often on Monday Night Football or any nationally televised sporting event where networks choose games to televise. North Carolina and Duke are handsdown the two most popular college basketball programs on a national level. Maryland is up there also. They would rather watch these games than others so networks do the smart thing. And for those saying the ACC is overrated that is straight riduculous. Over 25% of the top 25 is from the ACC right now.

[RJ2kWJ]

It is not a hard to figure out why the ACC is televised more often than other conferences. They draw the biggest ratings. Its the same reason why popular teams play more often on Monday Night Football or any nationally televised sporting event where networks choose games to televise. North Carolina and Duke are handsdown the two most popular college basketball programs on a national level. Maryland is up there also. They would rather watch these games than others so networks do the smart thing. And for those saying the ACC is overrated that is straight riduculous. Over 25% of the top 25 is from the ACC right now. Duke vs. UNC b-ball is the biggest college rivalry out. :D

2nd being either USC vs. Notre Dame in f-ball or Miami vs. FSU f-ball or Ohio St. vs. Michigan in f-ball or maybe Florida vs. FSU... hard to pick a 2nd. :D

[UNC41]

Duke vs. UNC b-ball is the biggest college rivalry out. :D

2nd being either USC vs. Notre Dame in f-ball or Miami vs. FSU f-ball or Ohio St. vs. Michigan in f-ball or maybe Florida vs. FSU... hard to pick a 2nd. :D

Up until Carolina's tough couple of years and the resurgance of the Yankee vs. Red Sox rivalry in baseball I would say that Duke vs. UNC b-ball was the biggest rivalry in all of sports.

[watchtower41]

Duke vs. UNC b-ball is the biggest college rivalry out. :D





maybe to the people that go there.... I dont think Ive watched one of those games in 2-3 years, all their games suck now. I'd have to agree about the greatest college rivals when these two teams were among the elite, maybe they will be again this year....matter of fact, I cant remember that rivalry being great since the days of Jamison, Carter, Langdon and Co. other than that, these match-ups, most of time are a complete bore.


ESPN did a poll on sportscenter with the same question about a week or two ago.... Michigan/Ohio State won by a landslide..... there were a couple others in there (Auburn/Alabama, Florida St/Florida) before UNC/Duke poked its head through..and this was for college rivalries.
and please...ND/USC??? doesnt one side have to win every so often in order to be considered a rivalry??

[haildmb]

ahhh... so much jealousy

[haildmb]

Let's Go Devils!!!!

[RJ2kWJ]

FUCKIN RIGHT DOGGY!!!! :D

Redick was thirsty tonight. He was wet as a champ.

ACC- 4
Big X- A big fat 0

[UNC41]

Redick and Ewing played a hell of a game tonight. In the long run Shav and Sheldon will need to step up, but with the way those two shot tonight it didn't matter. Impressive performance.

[Davenumber40]

The best thing about college basketball is often the best team does NOT win.... but its not like it comes easy....its earned...so all this bullshit on this board about what conference has won the most titles is complete bullshit imo... and I'm not directing this towards you, dmb1spe....but this argument has come up several times in this thread.... Duke won this year, Arizona that year, Maryland over here....blah, blah, blah that's great and all, but a Nat'l Championship does not mean that team comes from the best conference, nor does it make them a perrineal powerhouse. Underdogs will always have a CHANCE in NCAA hoops.

I understand what you're saying however, the last two years in a row the national champion has come from the Big East. Maybe there should be more talk about big teams in the other conferences. Again, I'm not saying that the ACC isn't the best conference, I'm saying ESPN needs to realize there are a few others.

Up until Carolina's tough couple of years and the resurgance of the Yankee vs. Red Sox rivalry in baseball I would say that Duke vs. UNC b-ball was the biggest rivalry in all of sports.

I'd say it's the biggest in American sports, but it doesn't compare to the biggest in world football.

[Davenumber40]

I think if MSU would have worked the ball inside more late in the 2nd half (they didn't do it until about the last 3 minutes) they would have won. Duke played a very good game though. MSU had their shot at them and they blew it.

[dmb1spe]

I also wouldn't say that Duke, Maryland and Carolina have the patent of a national following. Maryland? Come on.. I work there and that isn't that big of a deal. Indiana, Louisville, Michigan St, Kansas, Kentucky all have HUGE national followings.