Da Bears

[DMBZeppelin]

So 9 returns this year for 20+ yards leads the NFL. With 6 of them going for 30+ yards. He is amazing. That was his 11th career return TD, and he needs 2 more for the record.

[Tiduwho]

Good work Tillman, now let's get a TD here.

[dmb71687]

FUUUUMBLE Rex Grossman. It's gotta be getting hard to keep defending him...

[DMBZeppelin]

I hope this doesn't count as a fumble. He was completely down with his hands on top of the ball after he lost control for a second. Either way, that was just poor clock management by the Bears. Took too long deciding what to do.

[dmbhoosier21]

FUUUUMBLE Rex Grossman. It's gotta be getting hard to keep defending him...

I have never seen a QB fumble more than this guy, especially with the snap exchange.

[jaking1185]

I have never seen a QB fumble more than this guy, especially with the snap exchange.

I agree. There is no one else to blame for those.

[DMBZeppelin]

FUUUUMBLE Rex Grossman. It's gotta be getting hard to keep defending him...
I'm more worried about how he performs passing then I am about his running game. But go ahead, complain about Rex. HE'S THE WORST QB EVAZ!!!!

[DMBZeppelin]

I have never seen a QB fumble more than this guy, especially with the snap exchange.

I agree. There is no one else to blame for those.
I agree that it's been a problem, but I wouldn't put all the blame on the QB like you would.

Brian Griese also had the same fumbling problems with Kreutz. In fact his first snap in the Raiders game was a fumble. You just only hear about it if Rex does it.

Neither Griese or Rex had snapping problems in college, or in Griese's case on other teams. Orton also had a few back in 05', and IMO some of the blame has to be on Kreutz. Slap the word Pro Bowl on you though, and no one questions you extending your arms enough. Three differnet QB's with similar results.

I even remember in the Pats game last year, they had a good shot of the exchange. Kreutz hit himself in the nuts with the ball, and it shot straight down to the ground. Rex never even touched the ball.

Earlier this season I saw a snap to Griese. Where he was directly under center, and completely missed Griese's hands making it a false start instead of a fumble.

[Tiduwho]

Our receivers are so bad, they can't catch anything. The ball is right in their hands and they just keep on dropping it.

[dmbhoosier21]

I agree that it's been a problem, but I wouldn't put all the blame on the QB like you would.

No, I wouldn't blame it all on Rex but c'mon it's the NFL, this shouldn't be a problem regardless of whose fault it is. The snap exchange is basic fundamental football, again I have never seen anything like this, including jr. high - high school or college football.

When I have seen this happen in games, they always show the QB and center going to the sideline to talk and work on it and the problem is solved.

Gotta wonder what the hell is going on and why the Bears can't fix this problem :freak

[Tiduwho]

They're running college pitches on us, and it works every time. Just wow.

[Tiduwho]

HESTER!!!! holy crap!!!



He is Ree-DICK-U-LISS!!!!!

[dmb71687]

I'm more worried about how he performs passing then I am about his running game. But go ahead, complain about Rex. HE'S THE WORST QB EVAZ!!!!

:lol To take a quote from yourself, "people like you sound retarded. Seriuosly open your eyes buddy, you have the ball inside the opponets 10 yard line, and are in position to take the lead, the ONE thing you do is make sure you hold onto the football.

[DMBZeppelin]

WINDY CITY FLYER!!! Hester is just plain ridiculous.

[dmb71687]

I hope this doesn't count as a fumble. He was completely down with his hands on top of the ball after he lost control for a second. Either way, that was just poor clock management by the Bears. Took too long deciding what to do.

Wow, I didn't even see this comment. That fumble was clear as day. Youre bias is making you blind, and it's not a good look for you.

[crashintonickdm]

bears defense is overrated.

[Tiduwho]

Gotta love that, why the fuck is Ricky Manning Jr. playing cornerback on the outside? AND WITH NO SAFETY HELP?? Wow, what a joke. Babich is an idiot.

[Tiduwho]

bears defense is overrated.

:lol


Who even rates them highly anymore? The players that play now are not the "defense" that was rated highly the past two years. Our secondary is amazingly bad besides Tillman. Instead of Mike Brown and Nate Vasher, we have Adam Archuleta and Ricky Manning Jr. It's not even close.

[DMBZeppelin]

:lol To take a quote from yourself, "people like you sound retarded. Seriuosly open your eyes buddy, you have the ball inside the opponets 10 yard line, and are in position to take the lead, the ONE thing you do is make sure you hold onto the football.
I'm not saying Rex doesn't have flaws in his game. He's not by any means the perfect mold of a QB. He is the Bears best option at QB BY FAR. He can make plays. He has small hands, and he is not a good option for a QB option.

He's not fast, and you're right he should hold onto the ball. But does him not being a running QB, make him any less of a passer? His numbers suck this game, but receivers keep dropping passes. Plus penalties have negated his better plays.

He's a better option at QB then Culpepper, Harrington, Warner, Testaverde, or any other journeymen in the NFL.

[DMBZeppelin]

bears defense is overrated.
Welcome to Week 4 of the NFL.

[crashintonickdm]

:lol


Who even rates them highly anymore? The players that play now are not the "defense" that was rated highly the past two years.

:lol


ESPN rides their jocks.

[crashintonickdm]

Welcome to Week 4 of the NFL.

that was a good week. when your boy rex got benched after the cowboys harassed him.

[DMBZeppelin]

:lol


ESPN rides their jocks.
Do they? Because we just suck this year. I know you saw that first hand in the Dallas game. A lot of that was just Romo's INSANE escapeability.

[cbotnyse]

bears defense is overrated.I dont think anybody really rated them all that high this year. They were the real deal last year, but injuries have killed us. And Archuleta is the bust of the year.

[DMBZeppelin]

that was a good week. 34-10. remember that?
:lorraine All too well.

[crashintonickdm]

I dont think anybody really rated them all that high this year. They were the real deal last year, but injuries have killed us. And Archuleta is the bust of the year.

i work at dicks sporting goods. all i see on ESPN is how without the bear defense, the bears would be 0-10.

[Tiduwho]

:lol


ESPN rides their jocks.

Oh man, now you're just getting delusional. No one even talks about the Bears anymore.:lol


All talk centers on the Pats, Brett Favre, and YOUR Cowboys.

[cbotnyse]

i work at dicks sporting goods. all i see on ESPN is how without the bear defense, the bears would be 0-10.I stopped watchiing ESPN a long time ago. If its not about Boston or NY (which is rare), they dont know what their talking about.

[crashintonickdm]

I stopped watchiing ESPN a long time ago. If its not about Boston or NY (which is rare), they dont know what their talking about.

i wish i could stop but its tough when its on huge tvs and all over the loudspeaker at work.

i hate mostly every personality on there.

[DMBZeppelin]

And Archuleta is the bust of the year.
Lets all thank Jerry Angelo for trading Chris Harris. He wasn't a Pro Bowl player, but he wasn't bad. He wasn't usually out of position, and he was good at making a play on the ball. Instead we have a guy who interferes with the pass, and the receiver still catches the ball.

[dmb71687]

:lol You Bear's fans make very little sense. You defend Rex Grossman until youre death, and yet blame Adam Archuleta for not being able to cover a receiver 10 inches taller than him one on one. Let's try and be consistent here folks..

[cbotnyse]

:lol You Bear's fans make very little sense. You defend Rex Grossman until youre death, and yet blame Adam Archuleta for not being able to cover a receiver 10 inches taller than him one on one. Let's try and be consistent here folks..have you watched Archuleta play all year? He is terrible.

[dmb71687]

have you watched Archuleta play all year? He is terrible.

That's just fine and dandy, still doesn't negate my point of blaming something on him that wasn't his fault.

[jaking1185]

Grossman....

[cbotnyse]

That's just fine and dandy, still doesn't negate my point of blaming something on him that wasn't his fault.I wasnt talking about just that play. And I dont really see your point.

[dmb71687]

And I now officially feel sorry for Rex Grossman...

[crashintonickdm]

Rex Grossman flat out sucks. :lol

[dmb71687]

I wasnt talking about just that play. And I dont really see your point.

Did I quote you? The poster underneath you talked about just that play.

[cbotnyse]

Did I quote you? The poster underneath you talked about just that play.it sounded like you were generalizing all Bears fans.

[Tiduwho]

Hell of a run there from Peterson, way to push that pile boys and stay in it!

[DMBZeppelin]

NICE! I still don't understand why we took out Olsen to throw to John Gilmore. That TD run/push was something out of a movie. All set up by the Denver punter trying to angle the punt away from Hester, and hit it right to Tillman's hands.

[DMBZeppelin]

Rex Grossman flat out sucks. :lol
Besides having a horrible O-line, and many dropped passes. What has he done wrong in your eyes? The guys hand went straight onto the ball and popped it out. Oh well no point in arguing with you people. DEATH TO REX!!!! WORST STARTER EVA!!! I really hope they bring in Joey Harrington in the offseason. That will turn Berrian into a Pro Bowler, and Fred Miller will stop getting beat every play.

[DMBZeppelin]

I can't handle anymore of these dropped passes. I know it's raining, but this is crazy. Gotta love that Kreutz snap though, Mr. All-Pro center.

[Tiduwho]

Little things like Peterson stutter-stepping for a big gain instead of just bursting forward for two yards and a first down. So many things happen during a game that change the complexion. Please convert here Bears.

[Tiduwho]

The entire season rests on the next play.

[Tiduwho]

Unfucking real catch!!! Way to hang on to that BERRIAN!!!!


TOUCHDOWN!!!!! :multi

[cbotnyse]

The entire season rests on the next play.unbelievable play! looks like a TD to me

[DMBZeppelin]

WOW!!!! GOOD PASS GREAT CATCH!!! BEARS SEASON IS ON LIVE SUPPORT A LITTLE LONGER!!! It didn't look like anyone was open, I was so scared of a pass getting broken up. Just glad Berrian made that great catch!

[Tiduwho]

Unbelievable game. Just unbelievable. This is one of the best 4th quarters I've ever seen. :multi



Please get the coin toss and give Hester the ball!

[cbotnyse]

this game is awesome. I'm calling a Hester return to win it.

[Tiduwho]

Let's go Gould!!! Let's go Gould!!! End this shit!!


Edit: Good as Gould!!! Bears win! Bears win!! :multi

[DMBZeppelin]

BEARS WIN!!!! HESTER!!! REX!!! GOULD!!!! PETERSON!!! WE WIN IT!!!! I can't even explain what I just saw. I'm totally shocked right now. :multi :multi :multi :multi

[cbotnyse]

what a game. :D

[skatcat]

great game! Go Bears!

[UCFish]

That was beautiful!!

[DMBZeppelin]

Rex was 10 for 18, 108 Yards, 1 TD and 0 INT with a 91.9 QB Rating in the 2nd half. Though combined with the 1st half (which would have looked a lot better had the Olsen TD not been negated) Wound up 17 for 33, 193 Yards, 66.9 QB Rating, 1 TD and 1 INT.

Benson had 47 yards on 8 carries (5.9 AVG), Peterson had 45 yards on 17 carries (2.6 AVG) with 1 TD.

Finally, they said on the Post-Game that St. Clair replaced Miller late in the game. Which explains the commentator comment of "That's the best pocket Rex Grossman had all day." which resulted in just a beautiful pass to Clark.

Rex the play action to Clark was a goal line play. So he was surprised to see it called, but he put it right on the money. That's all that matters.

[DMBZeppelin]

Hester already has matched his 06' output with 5 kick/punt returns this season. He had six returns in total last year with the missed FG. Plus his Super Bowl return, and five more this year. There's just no stopping this guy.

-Devin Hester Record Watch 07'-

Most Punt Returns in a Career
Current Record: 10, held by Eric Metcalf
Devin Hester: 6

Most Kick Returns in a Career
Current Record: 6, held by 5 players
Devin Hester: 5

Most Returns (Combined) in a Career
Current Record: 13, held by Brian Mitchell
Devin Hester: 12

Most Punt Returns in a Season
Current Record: 4, held by Jack Christiansen and Rick Upchurch
Devin Hester 07': 3

Most Kick Returns in a Season
Current Record: 4, held by Travis Williams and Cecil Turner
Devin Hester 07': 2

Most Returns (Combined) in a Season
Current Record: 6, held by Devin Hester
Devin Hester 07': 5

*Hester is tied for the most kickoff returns, and and kick returns for Touchdowns in a game (2). Which he has done multiple times. The Punt Return for Touchdowns in a game is only 2 as well, which you'd have to believe he'll eventually break.
* First person to ever return the opening kickoff in the Super Bowl for a touchdown.
*Hester set a single-game franchise record with 314 Kick Return yards, which is second all time to the Saints Tyrone Hughes who had 347
*Hester set a single-game franchise record for Punt Return yards with 152, and he nearly tied it in Week 12 of the 07' season against the Broncos with 151 punt return yards.
*Thru Week 12, Hester leads the NFL in Punt Returns of 20+ Yards with 9. he also leads the NFL in Punt Returns of 30+ with 6.
*Won Week 2 NFC Special Team Player of the Week, 4th time in Career
*Won Sept. NFC Special Team Player of the Month, 2nd time in Career
*Hester previously tied for the record for longest play (108 yards), but that record recently fell.

[DMBZeppelin]

Just heard the stats on the drops. 7 drops by the recievers in yesterdays game. Five of those I know for sure were easily catchable. The Bears are 2nd in the NFL in dropped passes.

[jaking1185]

Benson out for the year:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3128695

I know this will make some happy around here.

[BotheDMBFan]

Garrett Wolfe baby.

[DMBZeppelin]

Benson out for the year:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3128695

I know this will make some happy around here.
It sucks in a way, because the orginization had gotten to the point with Benson that if he didn't produce he'd get very little carries. He started coming on strong, but he also showed the old Benson who ran down hill too much. One play that could have been a huge gain he just lost his own footing.

There's no denying he's been good the last two games though. I personally hate Benson, and I'm ok with cutting him at the end of the year. Point remains Benson being a bust hurts this orginization. At the number 4 pick so many players were available for us in 2005.

I just hope the "possibility" Benson could be good prevents the Bears from taking an RB on the 1st day. Though 1st round we NEED to draft a LT, and develop him. Imagine how much better the Bears might be if we don't give up on Marc Colombo, and John Tait gets to stay at RT where he's Pro Bowl caliber.

[BotheDMBFan]

We have our LT, his name is Garrett Wolfe.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

We have our LT, his name is Garrett Wolfe.

Maybe if he put on 50 pounds.

He's quick and agile but I have the feeling he wont be breaking many tackles since he's skinny and only about 5' 10''

[americanemu25]

We shouldve never traded Thomas Jones...he was way better than Benson

[BotheDMBFan]

Maybe if he put on 50 pounds.

He's quick and agile but I have the feeling he wont be breaking many tackles since he's skinny and only about 5' 10''

He is; however, HUNGRY LIKE THE WOLFE!

[richieu11]

We have our LT, his name is Garrett Wolfe.

NIU Huskie alum....gotta love my alma mater representing.....

to go even further back, he played high school ball with my cousin at the now defunct Holy Cross (which has merged with Mother Guerin to be called Guerin Prep) he was a stud back then, you knew he was going places...get the kid the ball! :thumbsup

[darbini]

We shouldve never traded Thomas Jones...he was way better than Benson

:thumbsup

[Tiduwho]

We shouldve never traded Thomas Jones...he was way better than Benson

:lorraine


And before anyone says it, I realize he's not having the best year with the Jets either. But then, no one is having their best year with the Jets. Because the Jets blow donkey nuts. LT couldn't run behind that line. TJ wasn't a top back or anything close, but he at least knew how to cutback instead of running into a pile and falling down upon contact.


Let's hope AP can keep those legs motoring and we can have some more rugby piles. He had two runs that were fantastic and showed how much of himself he was giving. Benson would have NEVER gotten that touchdown.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

Vasher is back baby !

And I'm excited to see what Peterson and Wolffe can do.

I think the Bears should pick up another good running back and get rid of Benson.

I mean Benson was a good player, but we need another Thomas Jones back on our team.

How long was Benson's contract for ? somebody anybody ?

[DMBZeppelin]

With his performance against the Broncos, Hester established a Bears record with 10 career kick return TDs and matched the NFL mark he set last season with five kick return scores.

The second-year pro ranks fourth on the NFL’s all-time list, just three by record-holder Brian Mitchell, who had 13 TDs on 1,070 returns in 223 career games. Hester’s 10 TDs have come on just 131 returns in 27 games.

Last Sunday, Hester passed mentor Deion Sanders, who had nine TDs on 367 returns in 189 games.

“The reason he is so good is not only is he fast, but he has the strength to break tackles, good peripheral vision and impeccable timing,” Sanders said Sunday night on NFL Network.

Hester actually has brought back 12 kicks for touchdowns, but his 92-yard kickoff return in Super Bowl XLI doesn’t count because it didn’t occur in the regular season.

Also not included is his 108-yard TD return of a missed field goal last season against the Giants. But it’s certainly a play that could convince Coughlin not to try a long field goal Sunday.

[DMBZeppelin]

Pro Bowl Voting Thru 11/13/07 - BEARS players in bold.

NFL ALL-STAR TOP-TEN VOTE-GETTERS
QB Brett Favre -- 684,986
QB Tom Brady -- 639,667
QB Peyton Manning -- 614,948
WR Randy Moss -- 499,853
QB Tony Romo -- 485,017
RB Adrian Peterson -- 457,426
RB Joseph Addai -- 445,311
RB Terrell Owens -- 404,452
WR LaDainian Tomlinson -- 360,086
KR Devin Hester -- 354,480

NFC LEADING VOTE-GETTERS
Offense
QB Brett Favre, Packers -- 684,986
RB Adrian Peterson, Vikings -- 457,426
FB Tony Richardson, Vikings -- 117,596
WR Terrell Owens, Cowboys -- 404,452
TE Jason Witten, Cowboys -- 353,827
T Flozell Adams, Cowboys -- 217,605
G Leonard Davis, Cowboys -- 195,234
C Andre Gurode, Cowboys -- 189,595
K Nick Folk, Cowboys -- 161,784
KR Devin Hester, Bears -- 354,480

Defense
DE Osi Umenyiora, Giants -- 231,867
IL Tommie Harris, Bears -- 133,880
OLB DeMarcus Ware, Cowboys -- 232,286
ILB Brian Urlacher, Bears -- 208,816
CB Charles Woodson, Packers -- 215,903
SS Roy Williams, Cowboys -- 166,926
FS Brian Dawkins, Eagles -- 100,259
P Mat McBriar, Cowboys -- 135,843
ST Keith Davis, Cowboys -- 114,150

When's the last time a kick returner was a top 10 Pro Bowl vote getter? Did Dante Hall even do that? Urlacher looks like he's getting in on name recognition while Olin Kreutz is not. Though he could be a backup.

[TheOtherside]

i saw olin kreutz and ruben brown at a bar in libertyville last night.

they are large men.

that is all.

[davehead86]

i saw olin kreutz and ruben brown at a bar in libertyville last night.

they are large men.

that is all.

:lol :lol :lol :thumbsup

[funksoul]

I have a pair of Bears/Giants tix I'm trying to get rid of and I thought I'd see if any ants would want to go. Tix are in 400 level. I paid slightly over face for them and I am willing to sell for what I paid. Must be responsible as they are season tix of someone else. I have tix in hand and live in Lemont. Hit me up with an email at ryantell@hotmail.com if interested.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

I'm excited about Vasher and watching Peterson and Wolfe own some bitches tomorrow !!!!

ALCOHOL !

See you guys tomorrow during game time... drinking must continue.

[funksoul]

We shouldve never traded Thomas Jones...he was way better than Benson

It didn't have to be an either/or situation...we should have kept both. I don't think either one are that great but together they are at worst formidable.

Thomas Jones has become very much like Aaron Rowand around here in the sense fans believe because this guy is gone our team did not return to the championship. I just don't buy into that.

[richieu11]

I have a pair of Bears/Giants tix I'm trying to get rid of and I thought I'd see if any ants would want to go. Tix are in 400 level. I paid slightly over face for them and I am willing to sell for what I paid. Must be responsible as they are season tix of someone else. I have tix in hand and live in Lemont. Hit me up with an email at ryantell@hotmail.com if interested.

how much you want for the tickets?

[funksoul]

how much you want for the tickets?

already sold, sorry.

[davehead86]

Go Bears...

[BotheDMBFan]

Hungry like the Wolfe...

[DMBZeppelin]

I found this out about an hour ago when it was breaking news...

There has been a change to the Chicago Bears starting lineup. Someone Lovie has shown a lot of faith in. Definetly one of Lovie's guys, and a big surprise to see him benched. The architect of the Lovie Smith Cover 2 saftey position... Adam Archuletta is not starting this week. Brandon McGowan is taking his place.

It's a huge deal, because Lovie is benching one of his own boys who he hasn't in the past. Despite very poor play. Bob Babich in an interview earlier in the week said Archuletta tries really hard. He has great work ethic, and is usually in the right spots. It's just that he can't make the plays when the come to him.

Which has been witnessed many times. Not to mention Fred Miller is benched. Granted he is slightly hurt, but I guess he's still suiting up despite not practicing. If he's good enough to play, he's good enough to start. Hopefully St. Clair helps in giving Rex a real pocket. I'll post if I hear anything about Vasher.

[crashintonickdm]

lets get it done today bears.

beat the giants and give the NFC east to the dallas cowboys.

[DMBZeppelin]

It's offical, most likely because of field conditions, Vasher is inactive today. The field isn't in the best shape and they need that groin to hold up. Miller is for sure active, and is the back up to St. Clair.

They started taking the tarp off the field about 15-20 minutes ago. The sidelines are very muddy, and the field itself could turn into a quagmire by the end of the game.

[Tiduwho]

It's offical, most likely because of field conditions, Vasher is inactive today. The field isn't in the best shape and they need that groin to hold up. Miller is for sure active, and is the back up to St. Clair.

They started taking the tarp off the field about 15-20 minutes ago. The sidelines are very muddy, and the field itself could turn into a quagmire by the end of the game.

Sounds fun! :bounce

[DMBZeppelin]

When it counts:
In the past three weeks, Rex Grossman has compiled a 111.3 passer rating during play in the fourth quarter and overtime. During that span, he has completed 22 of 34 passes for 291 yards, two TDs and no INTs.

Edit: Keep in mind he only had one pass play in Overtime last week. Although it was a big pass. So basically minus one play a majority of those stats are in three quarters. Which is nice, since I'd be happy if a QB did that in a game.

[DMBZeppelin]

Not so much the second play, but on the first play Rex looked freaked out that he had a pocket.

[jaking1185]

Bears looking good.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

Bearssssssssssssss.........

[Tiduwho]

Hester outran the ball. :lorraine

[Tiduwho]

What a shift. Just wow. Hester catches that and it's 14 to 0. Now the Giants have the ball at the 1. One play can change everything.

[crashintonickdm]

derick ward was out of bounds at the 6.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

Rex has no fucking pocket period.

This is disgusting...

Rex also needs to stop running back so far when he's about to get sacked.

[DMBZeppelin]

Rex has no fucking pocket period.

This is disgusting...

Rex also needs to stop running back so far when he's about to get sacked.
Granted, but the reason he does it is to try and make a play. Sometimes it pays off. One major issue is, when our O-line gets beat they quit. Miller did that a lot. If Rex escapes defenders the O-line needs to get back in there to help extend plays.

But had the O-line played like this last year. Rex has 3 INT's already. I think he's shown a lot of growth about handling the blitz.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

Granted, but the reason he does it is to try and make a play. Sometimes it pays off. One major issue is, when our O-line gets beat they quit. Miller did that a lot. If Rex escapes defenders the O-line needs to get back in there to help extend plays.

But had the O-line played like this last year. Rex has 3 INT's already. I think he's shown a lot of growth about handling the blitz.

Yes. I agree.

Rex definitely is hanlding himself better in general.

He is managing games much better than the middle to the end of last year.

He's better during the blitz this year also, he's rolling out and scrambling a lot more.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

Fumble Bear's Ball !

[gocubsgo3822]

nice play by peanut...... why couldnt devin hester catch thqat ball??

[DMBZeppelin]

Rex is 21/34 for 259 yards with 1 TD and 0 INTs, and has thrown to 9 different receivers. That's through 3 quarters.

[crashintonickdm]

keep holding them, bears!

[gocubsgo3822]

going to be realpissed if they come back

[DMBZeppelin]

I can't believe we're about to lose after playing pretty well most of the game. Pass protection, and false starts basically killed us today.

[1eyed_jack]

well, guess you have to understand with hester that he'll win you some guys like last week and lose you some like this week

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

This is sad.

Goodbye playoffs.

[mandy917]

4 seconds it's done.

[gocubsgo3822]

why can we never win two in a row???

[crashintonickdm]

thanks for nothing, bears.

[Tiduwho]

And the season is over.


God I wish our receivers could CATCH the ball.

[BotheDMBFan]

Me too.

Rex played well, our recievers just have hands of fucking stone.

[DMBZeppelin]

I just hope Rex doesn't get blamed for this loss. I really wish we had gone no huddle most of the game. That seemed to be really effective. Play of the game was probably that missed 81 yard TD by Hester.

Rex on the day:
25 for 46 (54.3%), 296 Yards, 1 TD and 0 INT's (81.4 QB Rating)

Except in garbage time (where I'd like to see Orton) I hope they keep Rex in there. I think he's shown enough growth that if we can get him an O-line and a receiver he could be pretty good.

[thehoss]

rex played awesome, fellas. props, to him.

[superfan]

thanks for losing:thumbsup What happened? Last I was able to see the game was when the giants were driving with about 8 minutes left and were down 16-7. I called a friend about an hour later and he told me that the Bears had lost, wow!:multi

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

I just... I can't believe its over...

If only Devin would not have over ran the the deep ball and turned around faster.

If only 1 of those 3 field goals were what they were supposed to be... a TD.

If only there weren't so many penalties.

Oh well its all over ... my hope is in next year ...

[DMBZeppelin]

I've given up on the playoffs, but someone on the ChicagoBears.com message board did the math. Losing to the Giants cost us a good shot at the 5 seed. Anyways, if the Bears win their next 4 games. This is what would need to happen:

If the Bears win out...
Carolina needs to lose any 1 game - @JAC, SEA, DAL, or @TB
Detroit needs to lose any 2 games - Dal, @SD, KC, @GB
Arizona needs to lose any 2 games - @SEA, @NO, ATL, STL

[BotheDMBFan]

thanks for losing:thumbsup What happened? Last I was able to see the game was when the giants were driving with about 8 minutes left and were down 16-7. I called a friend about an hour later and he told me that the Bears had lost, wow!:multi

Go be irrelevant somewhere else.

[BotheDMBFan]

I've given up on the playoffs, but someone on the ChicagoBears.com message board did the math. Losing to the Giants cost us a good shot at the 5 seed. Anyways, if the Bears win their next 4 games. This is what would need to happen:

If the Bears win out...
Carolina needs to lose any 1 game - @JAC, SEA, DAL, or @TB
Detroit needs to lose any 2 games - Dal, @SD, KC, @GB
Arizona needs to lose any 2 games - @SEA, @NO, ATL, STL

Arizona won't do that, so that's moot.

[davehead86]

Im just fucking pumped that my man Rex is doign so well. I hope he stays with the Bears and I hope that ESPN and all those dumbass Rex haters shut the fuck up now.

[davehead86]

Wow that sounded stupid, Id edit the post but my computer wont let me. Oh well. Go Rex, down with the haters.

[DMBZeppelin]

Im just fucking pumped that my man Rex is doign so well. I hope he stays with the Bears and I hope that ESPN and all those dumbass Rex haters shut the fuck up now.
When's the last time you saw a QB do what Rex did with that bad of O-line? That's the kind of crap that got Peyton Manning picked off 6 times in San Diego. I just hope he wants to stay.

[dmbhoosier21]

Im just fucking pumped that my man Rex is doign so well. I hope he stays with the Bears and I hope that ESPN and all those dumbass Rex haters shut the fuck up now.

It'll take a few more games for that to happen.

There has never been any doubt (I don't think) about the guy's arm or talent, it has been his propensity to have really really bad games and obviously inconsistency.

This is the perfect situation for Rex, not much pressure now.

[dmbhoosier21]

When's the last time you saw a QB do what Rex did with that bad of O-line? That's the kind of crap that got Peyton Manning picked off 6 times in San Diego. I just hope he wants to stay.

To be fair, Manning has had to play with that "type" offensive line for the past month.

Other than the 4 INTs early in SD, he has played relatively well.

i.e. tonight, Manning was pressured all game long, 20-28, 288 yds, 4-1

[jaking1185]

I have to admit that when Rexy had time he made some nice passes. The only bad trait I saw was when he got pressured he'd run backwards instead of moving up in the pocket and he ended up losing 10-15 yards a few times.

Otherwise, not too shabby.

[dmbhoosier21]

I have to admit that when Rexy had time he made some nice passes. The only bad trait I saw was when he got pressured he'd run backwards instead of moving up in the pocket and he ended up losing 10-15 yards a few times.

Otherwise, not too shabby.

agreed.

Guy can definitely throw the deep ball with ease though.

[DMBZeppelin]

It'll take a few more games for that to happen.

There has never been any doubt (I don't think) about the guy's arm or talent, it has been his propensity to have really really bad games and obviously inconsistency.

This is the perfect situation for Rex, not much pressure now.
I think he's done well the last few games. Pressure from the media to win for playoff hopes, and the fact he's under constant blitzing.

You're wrong, I've seen people on other boards who honestly believe Rex won't be on an NFL team next year. That's how untalented and bad they think he is. Despite everything he's done, he's not even a backup or third stringer in the eyes of many. A lot of that has to do about what they read.

They claim to know about Good Rex/Bad Rex but don't realize to be called Good Rex he actually had to play good at one point. He's still only got 1 INT since coming off the bench 4 weeks ago. His 1 INT wasn't even a bad throw. Your number 1 receiver is on on one. Any QB takes their chances.

[dmbhoosier21]

I think he's done well the last few games. Pressure from the media to win for playoff hopes, and the fact he's under constant blitzing.

agreed


You're wrong, I've seen people on other boards who honestly believe Rex won't be on an NFL team next year. That's how untalented and bad they think he is. Despite everything he's done, he's not even a backup or third stringer in the eyes of many. A lot of that has to do about what they read.

That's laughable; the physical tools are there.

I think everyone (that counts, meaning people in the NFL) knows that Rex won't be out of the NFL, that's just plain ridiculous. Rex knows it, the Bears knows it and the rest of the NFL knows it.

The problem with Rex before was that he was on a team with SB aspirations, not many young QBs have to deal with that. Most inexperienced QBs have the luxury of experiencing growing pains with the organization .... i.e. Manning.

Now, the pressure is off. It's unlikely that the Bears will get in the playoffs; Rex can just go out and play.

Relatively speaking the pressure is off. Although I will admit the whole media/fans waiting to jump all over Grossman as soon as Bad Rex comes out is still present, but as long as Rex avoids the 0.8 passing rating stuff, he'll be ok.

[DMBZeppelin]

Where did it all go wrong? Was it the play where a Grossman pass bounced off the left shoulder of Devin Hester as the young receiver ran at least five yards behind the nearest defender, dropping a sure touchdown? Was it the fact that receiver Bernard Berrian never seemed to contemplate extending out and diving for a couple of the deep balls thrown his way? Was it the way in which Berrian seemed to peak at an oncoming safety and attempt to protect himself while jumping for a high pass that bounced off his hands on the sideline?

Was it the way the Bears somehow lost track of their tight ends, completing just two passes to Desmond Clark in the second half, including a 44-yarder over the middle of the field, and not finding Greg Olsen despite hooking up five times with those two in the first half?

The Bears opened the game in two-minute drill and ran a no-huddle or muddle-huddle offense to great effect, but decided not to stay in it.

''They came out with the no- huddle that first drive, which was tough,'' Giants defensive end Michael Strahan said. ''You were out there trying to read run or pass. You could tell it was a pass, but you couldn't believe it was a pass because they just passed before and this team, you thought, was going to run the ball. We were a little unsettled.''

Strahan said he understood why the Bears got away from the strategy, because they were winning and wanted to slow the game down and eat some clock.

''I'm glad they did,'' Strahan said. ''I was tired.''

[Tiduwho]

Where did it all go wrong? Was it the play where a Grossman pass bounced off the left shoulder of Devin Hester as the young receiver ran at least five yards behind the nearest defender, dropping a sure touchdown? Was it the fact that receiver Bernard Berrian never seemed to contemplate extending out and diving for a couple of the deep balls thrown his way? Was it the way in which Berrian seemed to peak at an oncoming safety and attempt to protect himself while jumping for a high pass that bounced off his hands on the sideline?

Was it the way the Bears somehow lost track of their tight ends, completing just two passes to Desmond Clark in the second half, including a 44-yarder over the middle of the field, and not finding Greg Olsen despite hooking up five times with those two in the first half?

The Bears opened the game in two-minute drill and ran a no-huddle or muddle-huddle offense to great effect, but decided not to stay in it.

''They came out with the no- huddle that first drive, which was tough,'' Giants defensive end Michael Strahan said. ''You were out there trying to read run or pass. You could tell it was a pass, but you couldn't believe it was a pass because they just passed before and this team, you thought, was going to run the ball. We were a little unsettled.''

Strahan said he understood why the Bears got away from the strategy, because they were winning and wanted to slow the game down and eat some clock.

''I'm glad they did,'' Strahan said. ''I was tired.''


Ron Turner finally does something unexpected and then fucking goes away from it because its working. Just like whenever Benson actually started running well, what happens when things are working? Bench people, get away from anything that works. :BANG

[DMBZeppelin]

I'm listening to Boers and Bernstein right now. They were asking "What's the Rex situation this week? Is he safe?" and they talked about how well he was throwing the ball and what not.

But they bring up a good issue.

1.) Do we bring Rex back?
2.) If he's the guy, does Orton get any playing time?

It's very obvious Rex is still learning and growing as a QB. What's more important? Developing Rex or letting Orton get snaps? I'd prefer they let Rex play it out, unless it's a blow out one way or the other. If it's the 4th quarter and we're losing by a lot, or winning by a lot. Then you bring in Kyle Orton.

But at 5-7 I don't believe you can even talk about Orton playing yet. There's 52 other guys who still want to win. I don't think Lovie would throw in the towel until we get the 8th or 9th loss. Not to mention the last 4 games Rex has been consistently good, and handling the constant blitzing well.

Remember Orton in 2005: 15 starts (10-5 record). 1,869 Yards with 9 TD's and 13 INT's and a 59.7 QB Rating. He never really showed you flashes of being good. Not to mention he had a GREAT O-line that year. Plus he had a good running game, and Moose was still good that year.

Don't give me the "He was a rookie" crap. Inexperiance means bad decisions. He just was plain bad. Though his accuarcy was a lot better this past training camp. He might deserve a shot. But do we think he'll ever show Grossman's upside?

[darbini]

Orton blows and it sucks that he is on the Bears. He led Purdue to like 6 straight wins or something and everyone thinks he's still good or something, let it go people!!! Only two quarterbacks led their teams to the Super Bowl last year, one is Peyton Manning and the other is Rex Grossman, that's all I need.

[davehead86]

Orton needs another year to ride the bench and watch, dont fuck up another QB by putting him into high pressure situations too early.



As for Rex, the man looked horrible in only a HANDFUL of games over the last two years, other times it was just a normal bad game on a team with an amazing defense and a good offense so it looked a lot worse than it was. People just need to step back and look at the whole picture with him. Oh yeah and RON TURNER needs to get the fuck out or learn how to keep the momentum going. Nice job blowing the game asshat, and WTF was with the offense not producing, how can you not catch balls, over the entire game just missed catch one after another. Thats bogus and needs fixing, it cost us the game and honestly cost us a huge lead game.

[DMBZeppelin]

Oh yeah and RON TURNER needs to get the fuck out or learn how to keep the momentum going. Nice job blowing the game asshat
This is probably going to turn into a long post, but I think it should be discussed. Do you know who Laurence Holmes on the Score is? He's a reporter for the Score and his job has been covering the Bears since 2003. He knows the entire team personally. Lovie Smith even shot a joke at him in a press conference last year. Guys on the team were texting him Monday after the Dallas game to find out if Rex was benched. He's the best Bears reporter in town, and everyone should try to catch his pre-game show.

Anyways, he was on Boers and Bernstein earlier today. Bernstein brought up how he thought his T.V. was messing up in the 1st quarter because Rex Manning was playing quarterback. They got into why they went away from the no huddle. Laurence basically said there's some egos up at Halas Hall.

If you remember the Philly game. The head set went out with Griese, and he led the drive minus the TD which was Turners call (we got lucky, because that was a bad play and almost picked off). Griese looked solid on the rest of that big drive.

Monday they had a press conference, and Griese who never goes to podium (he does all post-game interviews at his locker). Got up there and started saying how it was 50/50 and he went to the sidelines to get plays and Turner called this play and that play. Even though the day before he said Turner didn't call any of them.

Instead of letting Griese enjoy the moment, and praising him for doing his job. The coaching staff wanted the credit that bad they make Griese look like an idiot. Now Rex was smarter. While he admitted that he was the one calling the plays in the no huddle. He deflected credit to Turner for a few plays that he said Turner called into the head set, and the plays he was allowed to call he said were decided between him and Turner.

That way he doesn't step on anyones toes and wind up in the dog house like Griese. Lovie said they decided to go away from the no huddle, because it was like a change up. If you keep throwing it, then someone will eventually stop it. Which is by all means retarded.

The Bears coaching staff is too worried about taking credit for great jobs done by their players. Who cares if the no huddle makes Rex look good for calling plays, and not Turner? This is about winning. The Bears refuse to adjust to not only other teams, but themselves.

Seahawks game it was well known they planned to give Peterson more carries. Despite the early showings of Benson. They didn't get away from their own gameplan. Benson is looking great early, but we're still pretending like he's crap.

The no huddle was just meant to change things up, but the offense moved around with EASE. They yet again got away from what works. This is just insanity. This has been a problem since 2005. All of 2006, we RARELY used the Shotgun. Even though as anyone can tell, all of our QB's have done better out of it. This O-line has been suspect since last year, and the QB's are set to throw from the snap instead of dropping back.

In 7 games this year, Rex has been sacked 25 times (plus MANY MANY MANY HITS). In 16 games last year? He was sacked 20 times. Although he was still hit a lot. This O-line keeps regressing. We need more Shotgun, and Turner is not capable of adjusting to that. He's not capable of putting his ego aside, and letting Rex run no huddle until the other team stops us.

[BotheDMBFan]

I have no doubt that Ron Turner will be Gone Turner after this year.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

I have no doubt that Ron Turner will be Gone Turner after this year.

Please let it be true.

[DMBZeppelin]

I have no doubt that Ron Turner will be Gone Turner after this year.
I'd love to believe that, but Lovie isn't one to surround himself with great coaches. Rivera was a talented young, future head coach type coordinator. He and Lovie clashed over what they wanted to do. Lovie got rid of him so there wasn't any competiton for his job, had the Bears not paid him they could have promoted Rivera.

Terry Shea basically got fired because Rex got hurt. Shea was a Martz prodigee, and had a very insane and complex offense. Rex said the playbook was bigger then a phonebook. They were averaging 21 points a game, then Rex got hurt in his breakout game against Minnesota.

Knowing Lovie IF he fired Turner (which I highly doubt), he'll probably make Pep Hamilton offensive coordinator.

[davehead86]

I understand the posts and the validity of them. I just do not understand how an organization bent on winning can allow for trends to not continue. If Benson runs it, let him. If no-huddle works, mix it up and throw in no-huddles all game. If we do good in Shotgun formations, work em.

This is why I hate stupid people, this is just plain stupidity. It lost us the Superbowl, and it lost us the playoffs this year, and a winning season this year.

[DMBZeppelin]

I understand the posts and the validity of them. I just do not understand how an organization bent on winning can allow for trends to not continue. If Benson runs it, let him. If no-huddle works, mix it up and throw in no-huddles all game. If we do good in Shotgun formations, work em.
"The plan wasn't to run it the entire football game. When you get a lead, you don't want to ... well, you would like for the clock to run a little bit. [The] no-huddle offense can really put the defense back on the football field if you don't have success with it. So that's why we got away from it a little bit."

That's from Lovie Smith himself. What type of thinking is that? "If we keep doing it, the other team will stop it." THEN LET THEM! I mean that opening drive was AWESOME. We put in a few runs towards the end so we could work off the play action. Which then left Clark wide open in the back of the end zone.

Unless we're up by 3 or 4 touchdowns, or the defense shows it can stop it. Why would we stop what's working? No lets go back to the offense that got us our 5-7 record.

We ran a no huddle on the 2 minute drive to end the half. Penalties cost us the chance for a TD. We also ran no huddle where we almost came back at the end of the day. Though the results weren't the best, we MOVED the ball.

[DMBZeppelin]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-071203bearsbits,1,1611921.story?ctrack=3&cset=true

The final statistics showed Mark Bradley catching one pass for 7 yards Sunday against the Giants. Those numbers weren't indicative of Bradley's value, but a move quarterback Rex Grossman made certainly was a statement.

Fox play-by-play man Joe Buck said during Sunday's broadcast that Grossman had approached offensive coordinator Ron Turner last week about getting Bradley more involved in the offense.

"I just found out about it today," Bradley said Monday. "I think that's a person that's trying to get somebody on the field that he thinks could be an asset.

"Rex is trying to get his weapons on the field. We were trying to put ourselves in position to get in the win column. I feel good I'm being considered."

Bradley has been an afterthought this season. Back in September, coach Lovie Smith responded to Bradley's plea for more playing time by saying it was hard to entertain discussion about the fifth receiver. Bradley had two catches through the first 11 games and was inactive at Seattle. Sunday was his most game action since Week 8 against the Lions.

"It's always good to have Mark out there," center Olin Kreutz said.

[DMBZeppelin]

Well I was listening to the Score yesterday. Boers and Bernstein were talking about the Bears. They brought up some issues they discussed with their Bears insiders.

- Griese was going to get benched. The whole Philly situation was that bad, that he would have gotten benched had he fallen over a yard stick. Which is the way Bernstein put it.

- There are many in the orginzation who do not like Ron Turner. The problem is, the people higher up in the orgizination. They don't like him, but they don't hate him. Kind of neutral on the matter.

- Some in the orginization did not want Rex to play again. They wanted to be done with him. As of right now, they are playing the wait and see with how Rex performs. There hasn't been any talks about bringing Rex back yet.

- If they bring Rex back, it's likely that Turner will be back. For some reason I guess the two are tied together. Though that's not a 100% thing.

[funksoul]

Well I was listening to the Score yesterday. Boers and Bernstein were talking about the Bears. They brought up some issues they discussed with their Bears insiders.

- Griese was going to get benched. The whole Philly situation was that bad, that he would have gotten benched had he fallen over a yard stick. Which is the way Bernstein put it.

- There are many in the orginzation who do not like Ron Turner. The problem is, the people higher up in the orgizination. They don't like him, but they don't hate him. Kind of neutral on the matter.

- Some in the orginization did not want Rex to play again. They wanted to be done with him. As of right now, they are playing the wait and see with how Rex performs. There hasn't been any talks about bringing Rex back yet.

- If they bring Rex back, it's likely that Turner will be back. For some reason I guess the two are tied together. Though that's not a 100% thing.

Boers and Bernstein also told me on my way home from work that one of Bernstein's sources from the Palm Beach Post told him that Miguel Cabrera and the White Sox were about to announce a major deal in the next 48 hours. Then I got home 5 minutes later and I found out Cabrera had been dealt to the Tigers. Probably the same source that told him Kobe was coming to the Bulls for Heinrich et al. and it was up to Kobe to just sign the deal. So it might be wise to take any Bears info with a HUGE grain of salt.

[Tiduwho]

Boers and Bernstein also told me on my way home from work that one of Bernstein's sources from the Palm Beach Post told him that Miguel Cabrera and the White Sox were about to announce a major deal in the next 48 hours. Then I got home 5 minutes later and I found out Cabrera had been dealt to the Tigers. Probably the same source that told him Kobe was coming to the Bulls for Heinrich et al. and it was up to Kobe to just sign the deal. So it might be wise to take any Bears info with a HUGE grain of salt.

ESPN and every sports outlet in existence was hyping that up. :rolleyes

[DMBZeppelin]

Boers and Bernstein also told me on my way home from work that one of Bernstein's sources from the Palm Beach Post told him that Miguel Cabrera and the White Sox were about to announce a major deal in the next 48 hours. Then I got home 5 minutes later and I found out Cabrera had been dealt to the Tigers. Probably the same source that told him Kobe was coming to the Bulls for Heinrich et al. and it was up to Kobe to just sign the deal. So it might be wise to take any Bears info with a HUGE grain of salt.
Then maybe you should have listened to the rest of that story. They never claimed it was from them. It was from a WRITER, they said his name, and that's something anyone could find online.

Only about 5 minutes later as you said, they talked about how all the other major sources were saying he was going to the Tigers. They then proceeded to rip that writer, for some of the stuff he said. They never claimed he was a source of theirs. Just a guy who wrote an article that anyone could find online.

I didn't hear the Kobe rumor, but Hinrich was involved in some of the deals. We almost had a three way trade with the Bulls, Lakers, and Kings twice but then failed. But all the stuff they said, is pretty much 100% true. The only thing that could be up for debate is if Rex comes back, Turner comes back. If they're playing the wait and see with Rex. Everything else has been reported through various sources.

[DMBZeppelin]

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/marlinsblog/entries/2007/12/04/white_sox_closing_in_on_cabrer.html - This was the link for the false Cabrera report.

Edit: If you scroll down to comments. This is what one person said last night about Boers and Bernstein.

By Jake
December 4, 2007 6:34 PM
Wow. You messed up on this one. The Score 670 in Chicago just read your post on the air about the Sox getting Cabrerra. They then reported that you must have confused yourself as the Tigers are completing a deal for him and Willis. Thanks alot CLOWN SHOED CORNHOLE!

The Score 670 is a huge sports station and they are kind of laughing at you. LOL

[funksoul]

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/marlinsblog/entries/2007/12/04/white_sox_closing_in_on_cabrer.html - This was the link for the false Cabrera report.

Edit: If you scroll down to comments. This is what one person said last night about Boers and Bernstein.

By Jake
December 4, 2007 6:34 PM
Wow. You messed up on this one. The Score 670 in Chicago just read your post on the air about the Sox getting Cabrerra. They then reported that you must have confused yourself as the Tigers are completing a deal for him and Willis. Thanks alot CLOWN SHOED CORNHOLE!

The Score 670 is a huge sports station and they are kind of laughing at you. LOL

Ha! Yeah I was out of my car at that point...turned on espn news and it had cabrera to the Tigers in the bottom right.

[funksoul]

Ha! Yeah I was out of my car at that point...turned on espn news and it had cabrera to the Tigers in the bottom right.

And the Kobe thing they reported was Kobe for Heinrich and others they did not know about and the Kings and Artest were somehow involved but they were unsure but it was a done deal and Kobe just had to approve.

[DMBZeppelin]

Ha! Yeah I was out of my car at that point...turned on espn news and it had cabrera to the Tigers in the bottom right.
Ya, I bet a lot of White Sox fans heard that. Got all excited, and got home just like you and let out a :lorraine because they have no shot of winning that division now.

[funksoul]

ESPN and every sports outlet in existence was hyping that up. :rolleyes


Everyone WAS hyping the deal but I never heard Heinrich's name except from the Score...that was my point :)

[funksoul]

Ya, I bet a lot of White Sox fans heard that. Got all excited, and got home just like you and let out a :lorraine because they have no shot of winning that division now.


Cubs fan and you know what I was doing :monkey :ha :D :haha :monkey :hump :multi :lol

[DMBZeppelin]

Wednesday practice update: Urlacher has minor calf injury

The Bears finished their preparation for Thursday’s game with a workout this morning at Halas Hall before departing for O’Hare.

Middle linebacker Brian Urlacher popped up on the injury report with a new injury. He injured his calf in practice Tuesday and left the field early. He participated in today’s activities, though, and is listed as probably meaning he will start. Urlacher has been plagued since training camp with a chronic arthritic condition in his back.

Right tackle Fred Miller (right ankle) also practiced and is probable so he will return to the starting lineup after John St. Clair replaced him for one game.

Strong-side linebacker Hunter Hillenmeyer (shoulder) is also probable and will start. Defensive back Corey Graham, who has been performing well on special teams, has not been on the injury report despite spraining his right ankle against the Giants, so he should be ready to go.

Defensive tackle Anthony Adams (right elbow) and cornerback Nathan Vasher (groin) will not play.
_________________________________

This is from the Suntimes.com, if this is true about Miller starting... :lorraine Poor Rex.

[1eyed_jack]

put in orton!

[Tiduwho]

So how dirty was the hit on Rex? I can't watch the game here in Wisconsin, thanks to the NFL network not even being offered. The ESPN boards are making it sound like he went straight for his knee.

[DMBZeppelin]

Before they went to the commercial after the injury. Rex was limping without pain on his face. Hopefully it's only a sprain, but the way his knee went I'm betting he tore it.

[1eyed_jack]

So how dirty was the hit on Rex? I can't watch the game here in Wisconsin, thanks to the NFL network not even being offered. The ESPN boards are making it sound like he went straight for his knee.


it didnt stand out to me as looking dirty.

can't you watch the game for free on nfl.com? i know they did that last week

[DMBZeppelin]

So how dirty was the hit on Rex? I can't watch the game here in Wisconsin, thanks to the NFL network not even being offered. The ESPN boards are making it sound like he went straight for his knee.
Just bad blocking. He was hit as he threw, but the guy dove at his leg not him. Rex looked sharp as usual, but Clark dropped the easy pass after juggling with it. If Rex is done for the year, he's probably done with the Bears. Because as of now, they still wanted to see more.

[jaking1185]

It looked like the Bears lineman bumped into the blitzer and he kinda flew into Rex's knee. It looked bad but the announcers don't sound too concerned. It's hard to say.

[Tiduwho]

it didnt stand out to me as looking dirty.

can't you watch the game for free on nfl.com? i know they did that last week

Holy shit, that's fucking awesome!!! THank you man!!!! :multi


Just caught the replay, Rex's leg looked horrible....:lorraine

[1eyed_jack]

Holy shit, that's fucking awesome!!! THank you man!!!! :multi


Just caught the replay, Rex's leg looked horrible....:lorraine



glad they're still doing it. i was watching the game last week and it's a pretty good picture, not too blurry. but yes, knee looks bad.

happy watching!:bounce :multi :monkey

[dmbhoosier21]

I have the NFL network, the pass rusher fell over Kreutz (I think it was him), as he was pursuing Rex; It wasn't a dirty play.

[Tiduwho]

Blech....on NFL.com they were showing the game for about 6 or 7 minutes, and now they are just using it as a tease. It's mostly just idiots back in the studio talking.

[swampdonkey]

If you download TVU player you can watch the game. Complete with Danish commentary.

[dmbhoosier21]

Well Campbell is about to come out ..... looks like a stinger.

[DMBZeppelin]

This is just ridiculous. I hope Cooley, Rex, Garay, and Campbell are all ok. Though Campbell doesn't look like he's going to play the rest of the year.

[dmbhoosier21]

Yikes .... Campbell comes back then now it looks like he has sustained a serious knee injury. He's being taken off in a cart.

[dmbhoosier21]

This is just ridiculous. I hope Cooley, Rex, Garay, and Campbell are all ok. Though Campbell doesn't look like he's going to play the rest of the year.

Yah, it's bad out there, 1st half isn't even over.

Rex's injury looked bad, but Campbell's looked alot worse.

Based on just the way both went down, Rex may get away with a knee sprain (if he's lucky), Campbell's looked horrible.

[BotheDMBFan]

What the hell happened?

[dmbhoosier21]

Bears fan are lucky they didn't see that last series of plays.

Chance to get 3 pts. and Griese throws it away .... leading to a TD. All with under 1:30 on the clock.

I'd like to see Orton. What's the point of playing Griese at this point?

[dmbhoosier21]

What the hell happened?

Horrible throw by Griese, Redskins DB jumped all over the pass intended to Hester.

INT brought back to the 20, next play TD pass for the Redskins.

[BotheDMBFan]

I mean with all the fucking injuries.

[dmbhoosier21]

Griese picked off again by Springs.

This is such BS that local fans can't watch their team play. NFL needs to fix this crap.

[BotheDMBFan]

Put. In. Orton.

[DMBZeppelin]

Horrible throw by Griese, Redskins DB jumped all over the pass intended to Hester.

INT brought back to the 20, next play TD pass for the Redskins.
Was it close enough to Hester to rule that it was intended for him? Absolutely HORRIBLE throw. Had Rex been in there. He'd have hit Hester over the top. If he catches it is another thing, but who knows.

I'd like to see Orton, or Rex on crutches in the 2nd half. Didn't Leftwhich play on a broken leg in college? The O-line had to carry him down field after the plays. But we gain nothing by Griese playing.

Griese 9-17, 65 yards, and 2 INTs.

[DMBZeppelin]

Griese picked off again by Springs.

This is such BS that local fans can't watch their team play. NFL needs to fix this crap.
Local fans can watch their team. It's on free T.V. in Chicago land area. I live in Griffith, IN and I get the game for free. It's on Channel 50. All Thursday NFL Network games are aired on free T.V. in the local market. Just sucks for guys like Tiduwho. He's a Bears fan, but in the Green Bay market.

Oh and Tiduwho, you can listen to the Bears game on the internet: http://cbsplayer.streamtheworld.com/?CALLSIGN=WBBMAM

[Tiduwho]

Please Lovie, PLEASE put in Orton. I can't take anymore of this season. I don't care if it invalidates a roster spot, just PUT IN ORTON. That 2nd INT may have been on Hester, either way again Griese stared down a receiver. :BANG

:lorraine

[dmbhoosier21]

Was it close enough to Hester to rule that it was intended for him? Absolutely HORRIBLE throw. Had Rex been in there. He'd have hit Hester over the top. If he catches it is another thing, but who knows.

It was a short route, hitch route I think. And Springs just read it all the way and jumped all over the pass, wasn't even close. There's no doubt it was intended to Hester.

:lol The second INT, I'm sure was a mis-communication b/w the QB and the intended receiver b/c it was about 10 yards short of the receiver.


I'd like to see Orton, or Rex on crutches in the 2nd half. Didn't Leftwhich play on a broken leg in college? The O-line had to carry him down field after the plays. But we gain nothing by Griese playing.Griese 9-17, 65 yards, and 2 INTs.

Yah, give the kid a shot. The Bears essentially has nothing to lose ..... although if I were Orton, I don't know if I'd want to play considering the shoddy protection - the Redskins are blitzing alot.

[dmbhoosier21]

Local fans can watch their team. It's on free T.V. in Chicago land area. I live in Griffith, IN and I get the game for free. It's on Channel 50. All Thursday NFL Network games are aired on free T.V. in the local market. Just sucks for guys like Tiduwho. He's a Bears fan, but in the Green Bay market.

Ah, well at least that's something. :thumbsup

[BotheDMBFan]

Shit, put me in at QB.

[dmbhoosier21]

dislocated patella tendon for Campbell, still no word about Rex.

[BotheDMBFan]

Jason is fucked.

[DMBZeppelin]

Orton is listed as inactive. I know if we put Orton in Griese can't go back in unless Orton gets hurt. But can Orton go in without Griese getting hurt?

[BotheDMBFan]

Why is Orton inactive?

[dmbhoosier21]

Orton is listed as inactive. I know if we put Orton in Griese can't go back in unless Orton gets hurt. But can Orton go in without Griese getting hurt?

I have never heard of this rule before ...... huh :confused

[Tiduwho]

Orton is listed as inactive. I know if we put Orton in Griese can't go back in unless Orton gets hurt. But can Orton go in without Griese getting hurt?

If Orton goes in, Griese cannot come back in period. His roster spot is lost for the game. If Orton then got hurt, we'd have to put a WR or something in at QB.

[1eyed_jack]

he's right, i think third string quarterback isn't even technically part of the active roster

[BotheDMBFan]

If Orton goes in, Griese cannot come back in period. His roster spot is lost for the game. If Orton then got hurt, we'd have to put a WR or something in at QB.

Putting in a fucking parapalegic would be better than Griese.

[dmbhoosier21]

Head-hunting by Landry .... probably cost them at least 3 pts.

[Tiduwho]

Unreal. How do you have 6 penalties on ONE drive? Pathetic.

[DMBZeppelin]

Why is Orton inactive?

he's right, i think third string quarterback isn't even technically part of the active roster
You can have a third string QB active. They usually aren't though. Thus making them an Emergency Third Quarterback. If they go in the 1st and 2nd stringer can no longer go in. I thought there was a rule that if the emergency guy got hurt, one of the first two could go back in. I guess not though.

[DMBZeppelin]

Griese has no sense of the play clock. In the red zone the play clock is right in front of you. He's still pumping that leg, after its hit zero. Not to mention a 5'10" defender knocked down a sure touchdown. Just wow.

I wonder what Moose and Griese were just fighting about.

[DMBZeppelin]

THAT'S A CATCH! I was about to sh** a brick if Lovie didn't throw a flag.

[Tiduwho]

Hell of a catch by Berrian there, that's a touchdown. There's no way they can't overturn that.

[Tiduwho]

Unbelievably pathetic. 1st down from the 1 yard line and all we can manage is a field goal. At least Griese has recovered and Hester is also looking good at receiver.

[DMBZeppelin]

I'm glad we are seeing more of Hester and Wolfe.

[funksoul]

I'm glad we are seeing more of Hester and Wolfe.


It would be even better if Hester knew what the hell he was supposed to do on offense.

[BotheDMBFan]

Well, season is officially over boys.

[Tiduwho]

Pretty good joke of a season. Orton should get the start against Minnesota on Monday Night.

[BotheDMBFan]

Wolfe should start too. Peterson, as much heart as he has, blows.

[crashintonickdm]

any news on rex? the hit didnt look too good.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

Bo , I know all season you were saying to put Wolfe in more and I didn't quite buy it.

But now looking back at this game he definitely showed some talent and potential.

Him and Hester were doing pretty good.

Anderson and Ogunleye(sp) were doing good as well.

It's too bad Rex got injured, I feel the game would have been closer by the 4th, the way Hester was playing on reciever.

Griese made some bad plays that Rex has seemed to recently rid himself of.

Just as Rex was finally back in the groove of things and doing some good things he gets injured. ( Which by the way looked disgusting, I thought his leg was comepletly fucked )

Griese is mediocre at best.

But we already knew that Griese is a decent back up QB.

But I wanna see what Orton can do.

He better play the remainder of the season, just to see what he can do.

He's basically the only guy left on our roster that we need to evaluate this year.

The defense played pretty well for most the game but penalties, our pathetic running game and turnovers cost us the game.

Where do we go from here guys ?

There are a lot of issues that need to be dealt with and fixed.

We go from Superbowl contenders to league scum.

I am sad.

[DMBZeppelin]

any news on rex? the hit didnt look too good.
No, and there won't be any news. Lovie and the Bears are a strange group. Rex walked off the field, to the tunnel, and was carted to the training room. He later walked while in street clothes with a knee brace.

Like Benson or anyone else, they'll side step the questions all week. I'd like to see Rex more. Because I know they weren't thinking extension yet. Once they do see enough to decide one way or another on him. Then I'd want to see Orton.

[DMBZeppelin]

But now looking back at this game he definitely showed some talent and potential.

Him and Hester were doing pretty good.
The reason he didn't play more was because he looked HORRIBLE earlier in the year. He was struggling grasping the offense. Then recently he's been doing better. He had that 20 or 25 yard run at the end of the first half of the Denver game.

He'll never be a starter but he can be a weapon. He runs in the 4.3's, and if used right will help the offense.
It's too bad Rex got injured, I feel the game would have been closer by the 4th, the way Hester was playing on reciever.

Griese made some bad plays that Rex has seemed to recently rid himself of.

Just as Rex was finally back in the groove of things and doing some good things he gets injured. ( Which by the way looked disgusting, I thought his leg was comepletly fucked )
Thing that sucks more is the Bears were undecided about giving Rex an extension. I think as of right now it's VERY clear he's our best QB option. Since coming back he's shown improvement in each game. I really do believe if Rex doesn't get hurt we probably win that game.
Where do we go from here guys ?

There are a lot of issues that need to be dealt with and fixed.

We go from Superbowl contenders to league scum.
It's been the same problems from the start of the year. We have a horrible O-line. Rex was getting killed earlier in the year, and it finally knocked him out. He's taken monster hits this year. Shown he's tough as nails, but if you get hit in the knee like that. There's not much you can do.

You HAVE to resign Rex. Unless you think Anderson is worth a 1st and 3rd round pick with a huge financial investment. There's Culpepper, Josh McCown, Jamie Martin, Todd Collins, and Quinn Gray lead QB free agency. Rex has shown he can lead a 4th quarter comeback.

Berrian is only worth resigning as long as he's not asking for a ridiculous contract. He's shown this year he can make some great catches, but he's also shown he can dissapear for a game. He's a number 2 with number 1 potential.

Bears currently have the 10th pick. Hopefully we lose out, and with 5 wins end up with a top 10 pick. Were 5-8 right now. Oakland, Cincy, KC, and Baltimore are tied for the 6th pick at 4-8. We need them all to win this Sunday. Jets, 49ers, St. Louis, and Atlanta are all tied for the 2nd pick at 3-9.

We need without a doubt to draft a franchise left tackle. This is a good draft for linemen. Say we wind up with the 10th pick. You take a tackle at picks 10 and 42? As long as you take the right guys the Bears are set. Tait is a horrible left tackle, a good right tackle. He'd probably make a fantastic guard.

After you grab tackles, you grab best available players out of guards, running backs, receivers, and safties. That way Rex/Orton will have time to throw. Peterson and Wolfe aren't starting caliber but will do good behind a great line. Though throw all that out of the window if we have the balls to trade up and grab McFadden.

[UCFish]

So sad that by the time I got to the bar Rex was gone. I hate Griese with a passion. Never though he was the answer. I am pretty sure tonight proved it.

[DMBphan83]

:( :shrug :BANG needless to say I'm not going to hear the end of this from anybody at work tomorrow UGH
Well, season is officially over boys.

[davehead86]

Im sad about Rex, Im pissed that i couldnt watch the game, and Im fucking outraged that the fucktard Griese is now going to play.

[funksoul]

The defense played pretty well for most the game but penalties, our pathetic running game and turnovers cost us the game.



Whoa there!!!! We let TODD COLLINS shred our pass defense. How is that good to you??

[saygdbye4134]

why not put orton in?

give me a one good reason.

[DMBphan83]

Agreed with you!! I just wonder why they haven't started Orton at all? What is the decision on Rex what really happened I just missed that hit because I didn't get to the bar after the first few minutes of the game.

why not put orton in?

give me a one good reason.

[dmbhoosier21]

Agreed with you!! I just wonder why they haven't started Orton at all? What is the decision on Rex what really happened I just missed that hit because I didn't get to the bar after the first few minutes of the game.

Not at all a dirty hit.

The pass rusher on his way to Rex tripped/fell over an offensive lineman right onto Rex's knee.

[saygdbye4134]

the hit was legit. same with campbell's. nothing dirty at all.

but why put griese in? seriously? he's a band-aid for a much bigger problem on the bear's offense. orton is the answer. went 13-3 as a rookie and DID NOT turn the ball over. knows the offense inside and out by now. why the hell not put him in? what the hell do the bears have to lose at this point?

[dmbhoosier21]

the hit was legit. same with campbell's. nothing dirty at all.

but why put griese in? seriously? he's a band-aid for a much bigger problem on the bear's offense. orton is the answer. went 13-3 as a rookie and DID NOT turn the ball over. knows the offense inside and out by now. why the hell not put him in? what the hell do the bears have to lose at this point?

At the very least, the Bears will be able to evaluate a young talent ..... you just never know. Who would have believed Romo would be where he is just two years ago?

disclaimer: not at all saying that Orton is the next Romo, just sayin' ...... you never know.

[dre2142]

It was cold as fuck at last nights game.......LOVED THE OUTCOME THOUGH!

[funksoul]

the hit was legit. same with campbell's. nothing dirty at all.

but why put griese in? seriously? he's a band-aid for a much bigger problem on the bear's offense. orton is the answer. went 13-3 as a rookie and DID NOT turn the ball over. knows the offense inside and out by now. why the hell not put him in? what the hell do the bears have to lose at this point?

He did not go 13-3 as a rookie, Orton got pulled against the falcons and Rex started the rest of the way. In terms of not turning the ball over, apparently you did not watch the game against the Bengals when he threw not 1, not 2 but 5 INTERCEPTIONS.

By the way, I remember another guy who "knew the offense inside and out"...his name was Johnathan Quinn.

So who you crappin'? :twak

[davehead86]

^
Truth, but I feel with the season literally over and Griese being a giant fucking shitpile that Orton should be put in to develope his skills some more and so the Bears can see what kind of third stringer they have in Orton.

[DMBZeppelin]

the hit was legit. same with campbell's. nothing dirty at all.

but why put griese in? seriously? he's a band-aid for a much bigger problem on the bear's offense. orton is the answer. went 13-3 as a rookie and DID NOT turn the ball over. knows the offense inside and out by now. why the hell not put him in? what the hell do the bears have to lose at this point?

Orton IS amazing! 13-3 on an 11-5 team that lost their first playoff game? Incredible. Orton was actually 10-5 as a starter. That 10th win was more Rex. So 9-5 in real starts.

Do you remember his franchise record 5 INT first half? The 70 yard passing games? The constant over throwing of wide open receivers? The lowest QB rating in the league among qualifiers? Plus he had the support of an awesome O-line and run game.

I'd like to see Orton, but everyone was happy when he got benched in 05'. We all started thinking Super Bowl after that. If only that defense would have shown up.

Edit: Ortom had more INT's then TD's.

[saygdbye4134]

well apparently we need a new quarterback all together.

so who's on the block?

mcnabb? maybe 2 years ago when he was a decent qb.

i say anderson from cleveland if he doesn't get resigned.

[DMBZeppelin]

well apparently we need a new quarterback all together.

so who's on the block?

mcnabb? maybe 2 years ago when he was a decent qb.

i say anderson from cleveland if he doesn't get resigned.
What's wrong with bringing back Rex, Orton, and drafting a QB? McNabb behind his line would be out by week 3. Anderson who isn't flawless, and how will he be next year with lots of film on him? Will cost you a huge contract, a 1st and a 3rd rounder.

He's a restricted free agent. They've already said they're giving him the max tender offer, and just letting him go. They will probably use the extra picks to make sure Brady has all the weapons he needs.

[DMBZeppelin]

Oh and in case anyone was wondering. Rex is done for the year. Unless the Bears are delusional and don't put him on IR because they think they are saving him for the playoffs.

He sprained the MCL in his knee. He'll be out 3-4 weeks and ready to go, but we'll have run out of season. If the Bears resign him he'll be able to participate in training camp and what not. No rehabbing.

[funksoul]

^
Truth, but I feel with the season literally over and Griese being a giant fucking shitpile that Orton should be put in to develope his skills some more and so the Bears can see what kind of third stringer they have in Orton.


Oh I'm not saying don't play him now...might as well see what he has become. We've got nothing else to lose. I was just countering the other poster's points.

On a side note w/ Benson and Rexy's injuries I can all but assure you they will be back on the Bears because they are both in contract years and we will be able to sign them at the reduced "you're coming off of an injury" price.

I predict we'll throw Orton out there for a couple games and see if anything has changed. If it has, he stays and we will have the same 3 QB's back next year with a more open training camp competition. If he sucks he will be dropped/traded (not sure of his contract status to be honest) and we will draft another guy in the mid to late rounds. We have WAAAAAAYYYY bigger issues than our QB (depending on the severity of Rexy's injury of course). Besides there are only 2 great QB's, 7 good ones, 10 mediocre guys and a rotating pile of bad, and if you think those 9 teams with good or great are going to let their guy go...well you just crazy then.

The Patriots will probably be looking to get out of their first round pick from the 49'ers, which should be great (God that almost seems unfair). I'd love to see us pull something off to get a Jake Long from Michigan.

[DMBZeppelin]

On a side note w/ Benson and Rexy's injuries I can all but assure you they will be back on the Bears because they are both in contract years and we will be able to sign them at the reduced "you're coming off of an injury" price.
Rex is going to get some offers thrown his way. He's the top Unrestricted Free Agent available. His injury wasn't that serious.
I predict we'll throw Orton out there for a couple games and see if anything has changed. If it has, he stays and we will have the same 3 QB's back next year with a more open training camp competition. If he sucks he will be dropped/traded (not sure of his contract status to be honest)
I don't care how good or how bad he looks. You don't judge Orton off these three games. You just look to see if you see anything. The last three teams we play are still playing for something. I'd just like to see that Orton isn't the bum from 05'.

If he tears it up, that doesn't mean much to me. There's no recent footage of him out there. Defensive coaches are implementing the Kyle Orton game plan. Even if he tore it up, that's only the first step. Defenses caught onto Rex after he tore it up. Will Orton make adjustments after they catch on?

If he looks bad, it's still not fair to say he has no future. He has experiance, but he'll probably be rusty. What I do expect is smart decisions. He does that I'll be fine. Even if he makes the right choice, and it gets picked off because the throw is off. I'll be fine, because to me that's improvement from 05' when he didn't always go to the right guy.
We have WAAAAAAYYYY bigger issues than our QB (depending on the severity of Rexy's injury of course).
It's not, if we were in the playoffs. He'd probably be ready for the 1st game.
The Patriots will probably be looking to get out of their first round pick from the 49'ers, which should be great (God that almost seems unfair). I'd love to see us pull something off to get a Jake Long from Michigan.
You build Rex a line, and watch out. He throws one of the better deep balls around. With time, he'd be able to do that a lot more. Build him a line, then get him a running back.

[amoore624426]

another team that lost the super bowl that will not make the playoffs.....

[jaking1185]

Rex is going to get some offers thrown his way. He's the top Unrestricted Free Agent available. His injury wasn't that serious.

If you are talking top QB of a bad bunch? Maybe, I could agree to that.

If you mean top UFA overall? No way. I think it's some guy named Randy Moss.

[DMBZeppelin]

If you are talking top QB of a bad bunch? Maybe, I could agree to that.

If you mean top UFA overall? No way. I think it's some guy named Randy Moss.
I was referring to QB's. No other free agent besides Culpepper, who's a shell of his former self. Has done the things Rex has done.

[jaking1185]

I was referring to QB's. No other free agent besides Culpepper, who's a shell of his former self. Has done the things Rex has done.

Ok. Just clarifying.

[funksoul]

Hell if I were Orton I might not want to play at all. At least right now he is this mystery QB who "won" some NFL games, apparently had a good camp, and has grown up. Someone might be looking for the next Derek Anderson...I know the Ravens are. He's going to get the shit blitzed out of him, he has no O-line, no running back, a reciever in Berrian who is scared to get hurt in his contract year, and an offense in general who's morale must be deflated with no legitimate playoff possibilities. Good luck young man!!

[Tiduwho]

Want to know what I'd like to see? How about a little Mark Bradley. I mean jeez, what the crap could this guy have done to get into Lovie's doghouse so deep? I don't get it. It seemed like he had so much potential...

[jaking1185]

Want to know what I'd like to see? How about a little Mark Bradley. I mean jeez, what the crap could this guy have done to get into Lovie's doghouse so deep? I don't get it. It seemed like he had so much potential...

You're right. He can't be any worse than Muhammad, who only has one gear left.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

You build Rex a line, and watch out. He throws one of the better deep balls around. With time, he'd be able to do that a lot more. Build him a line, then get him a running back.

B- I- N- G- O-

If Rex actually had a line these past few games the outcomes would have been much different.

I mean what the hell happened to the D from last year?

They really need to work on obtaining a better offensive line #1, running back #2 and maybe a good saftey.

I wonder what will happen to Mike Brown next year ?

I will be really sad if he is traded.

I gaurentee the second they trade him, he will remain healthy and be unstopable.

[DMBZeppelin]

I wonder what will happen to Mike Brown next year ?

I will be really sad if he is traded.

I gaurentee the second they trade him, he will remain healthy and be unstopable.
He's a free agent. Either they resign him or they don't. I hope they re-sign Rex and Brown. Cut Griese. He's a good backup, but if you get to him the season is over. I'd rather Orton or a drafted QB is the backup.

[Tiduwho]

Just some thoughts I want to re-post from the ESPN boards about the QB position this offseason:

I know everyone wants to go on deluding ourselves that Derek Anderson is a proven long-time vet, and would be worth the very steep price of a 1st round & 3rd round pick (or if franchised TWO 1st round picks) and a whole TON of cash, but we have to look at this objectively here. Something that is hard to do with quarterbacks.

Cleveland's O-Line is improved dramatically this year, with Joe Thomas he doesn't have to worry about anyone ever coming off the edge at him. He has Kellen Winslow at TE, who can be just as good as any TE in the league. He has Braylon Edwards (anyone else think this guy was gonna be David Terrell 2.0 a few years ago?) who is becoming an absolute force at the WR position and a legitimate #1 threat. Jamal Lewis is better than anything we have in our backfield.

Derek Anderson is in a perfect position to succeed, and succeed he has. I do not for a second believe that he could play this well on our offense though. Our O-Line is swiss cheese, our run game is the worst in the league, our receivers are afraid of getting hurt. He is not worth handicapping our draft for.

[Tiduwho]

So what is the answer? I don't know. Culpepper would be a return to the Kordell Stewart era, a former running threat QB that is now old with limited mobility and limited accuracy. Josh McCown? Cleo Lemon? Ick.

Let's say we had a legitimate shot at a trade for McNabb. I've loved him for years and always thought he'd eventually come here being a Mt. Carmel Chicago native. But I'd be weary of giving up much for him as well....he's been hurt for 3 straight seasons now. And while he can still put on a show one week, the next he looks incredibly ineffective. And he has Brian Westbrook too, who can do as much as any back in the league.


We have to face reality. We need to draft an O-Lineman in round 1, and a QB in round 2. Then we have to figure out which of the 3 guys on the current roster should play until that guy is ready. Rex will be probably be cheaper with an incentive laden contract due to injury, Griese is already here, and Orton....I guess we'll see in these final three games (hopefully Lovie PLAYS that Throat Beard. If not then he's plain delusional).

[funksoul]

He's a free agent. Either they resign him or they don't. I hope they re-sign Rex and Brown. Cut Griese. He's a good backup, but if you get to him the season is over. I'd rather Orton or a drafted QB is the backup.

We could probably trade Griese don't you think? He is still one of the top 60 QB's in the league...someone would want him. Even if you get a bag of balls for him, it's something.

[DMBZeppelin]

We have to face reality. We need to draft an O-Lineman in round 1, and a QB in round 2. Then we have to figure out which of the 3 guys on the current roster should play until that guy is ready. Rex will be probably be cheaper with an incentive laden contract due to injury, Griese is already here, and Orton....I guess we'll see in these final three games (hopefully Lovie PLAYS that Throat Beard. If not then he's plain delusional).
Depends who the QB is, because I believe a more pressing need is running back. If we resign Rex, we have a passing game. It may not be one that everyone likes. But it's an actual passing game.

We can't even run the ball! We are very very very bad. You can find a good running back in the second round. Then you have Wolfe, Peterson, Benson, and the Rook go all out in training camp.

This draft is going to be very deep at Tackle. I actually wouldn't mind taking a tackle in the 1st and 2nd round. We did it at defensive tackle in 04. Because I don't know where else we find tackles. Free Agency we can always try to get Turner. We can always bring back Rex. There's not any free agent tackles. We need two new ones badly.

[DMBZeppelin]

We could probably trade Griese don't you think? He is still one of the top 60 QB's in the league...someone would want him. Even if you get a bag of balls for him, it's something.
He's probably worth a 6th or 7th rounder. Problem is we signed him to a pretty decent deal. Will people want him at his current cost?

[funksoul]

He's probably worth a 6th or 7th rounder. Problem is we signed him to a pretty decent deal. Will people want him at his current cost?

Depends how teams value an insurance policy. He won't be starting BUT on a contending team he's a pretty servicable backup. You at least know what you're getting with Griese. So for a team contending for a title, if your big guy goes down at least you wouldn't have to throw in a rookie or an unknown. Plus he knows how to and could comprehend a complex playbook.

[funksoul]

I don't know if anyone has been watching the Delaware/SIU game but this Joe Flacco kid from Delaware is one hell of a quarterback. If this guy is there in round 3 I would take him...maybe even higher, but I've only seen this one game.

[BotheDMBFan]

We should wait a year or two, and just wait for Juice Williams.

[DMBZeppelin]

We should wait a year or two, and just wait for Juice Williams.
Or just tank next year and get Tebow.

[BotheDMBFan]

Tebow is a one year wonder.

[crashintonickdm]

get d-mac.

and thats donovan mcnabb. im not aan eagles fan but i see the way stars are treated here. i wanna see him go somewher and win a championship so everyone here suffers.

lol at me. TO is doing it with dallas, maybe mcnabb can doit with the bears.

[DMBZeppelin]

get d-mac.

and thats donovan mcnabb. im not aan eagles fan but i see the way stars are treated here. i wanna see him go somewher and win a championship so everyone here suffers.

lol at me. TO is doing it with dallas, maybe mcnabb can doit with the bears.
McNabb isn't what he was once upon a time. People would have very high expectations for McNabb in Chicago. The media would tear him apart. McNabb is injury prone, this line is good at causing QB's to get hurt. That's not a good match.

Edit: And what do the Bears even have that we could trade to get McNabb?

[DMBZeppelin]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/687985,CST-SPT-mully09.article

Now that the final diagnosis of Rex Grossman's 2007 season is in the hands of doctors and trainers, not coaches and personnel bosses, the only issue left to resolve is whether the Bears want him back for another year or two.

Or is it? Not according to defensive end Alex Brown, who asks not if the Bears want Grossman back, but if Grossman wants to be back with the Bears.

Grossman's expiring contract and unrestricted-free-agent status signify a shift in leverage from team to player.

''It's up to him if he wants to come back,'' Brown said. ''It's going to be his decision; that's all I know.''

Grossman, who suffered a sprained medial collateral ligament in his left knee Thursday that requires three to four weeks to heal, doesn't seem to have soured on the Bears. But in a league in which teams are forced to play retreads such as Todd Collins, Gus Frerotte and Chris Redman, you'd think there might be a demand for Grossman on the open market, especially because the free-agent class is so thin.

It's true he has been injured four of his five years and he's not going to get any taller, faster or more athletic, but Grossman nonetheless has a ton of intangibles, including a big arm, charisma and leadership ability. He also may have a chip on his shoulder because of the way he has been treated before and since his Super Bowl meltdown.

''He did a lot of good things for us last year -- took us to a Super Bowl -- and people hated him for it,'' Brown said. ''It's unbelievable. I put myself in his shoes, and I would have to think really hard about it.

''He started every game last year for the first time in his career. He led us to the Super Bowl -- now, granted, we had a lot of people play well -- but he was the quarterback, and he made a lot of great plays for us. People killed him for it. I don't understand it. I never will.

''A lot of people will say I'm biased because I played with him in college. But I know he's good. I don't know what he should do, but he'll make the right decision for him and his family.''

[davehead86]

4 weeks for Rex, ok I can deal with that. He has the whole off season to recover from it now too. This is a good thing. I think the Bears would be stupid not to sign him again, that is if Rex dosen't get greedy. Like others have said in here, and I whole heartily agree, build him an O-Line and he will be a MAJOR offensive threat. Thats just me though.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

4 weeks for Rex, ok I can deal with that. He has the whole off season to recover from it now too. This is a good thing. I think the Bears would be stupid not to sign him again, that is if Rex dosen't get greedy. Like others have said in here, and I whole heartily agree, build him an O-Line and he will be a MAJOR offensive threat. Thats just me though.

*starting chant*

Build Rex a wall !
Build Rex a wall !
Build Rex a wall !

[davehead86]

*starting chant*

Build Rex a wall !
Build Rex a wall !
Build Rex a wall !

:lol :lol :thumbsup

Just think of how well this season could have been with a fucking O - Line. We would have been running with the Pats and Cowboys. :monkey

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:lol :lol :thumbsup

Just think of how well this season could have been with a fucking O - Line. We would have been running with the Pats and Cowboys. :monkey
Possibly, but our running game was pretty horrible, and yea if Rex had an O-line the passing game would be much much better.

But then again our recievers really love to drop passes so who knows...

The Bears need to rebuild ... big time...

[DMBZeppelin]

Possibly, but our running game was pretty horrible, and yea if Rex had an O-line the passing game would be much much better.

But then again our recievers really love to drop passes so who knows...

The Bears need to rebuild ... big time...
Benson would of had a good year behind a good line. He'll take what's there. Had there been big holes, then Benson would of had big gains. Benson's problem is that he can't create anything for himself. Which is why he'll never be anything special.

Rex shows the ability to hit guys on the hands. Ya they drop passes. Outside of Berrian we don't have any playmakers in the receiving core. Tom Brady is probably going to break the TD record, but he's taken plenty of chances this year. Rex at times last year got picked off when receievers didn't try to break up plays.

Early this year with guys running wrong routes and crap, it was just a bad combo. We need to get Rex the 22 year old version of Moose. A big tall possession guy who can make a play. Olsen is kind of in that mold, but Turner doesn't always like to use him.

Get Rex a wall, and a sure handed receiver. We'll get back to being 2nd in points in the NFL.

[DMBZeppelin]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/689068,CST-SPT-bear10.article

You don't have to project Hester on another team, though, to get a handle on what he has meant to the Bears. He leads the team with six touchdowns. After only 15 touches on offense through the first 12 games, he caught five passes for 67 yards Thursday at Washington, getting in open-field situations where he was one busted tackle from going all the way.

But Hester's overall failure to develop as a receiver is disturbing in that he still needs to be lined up. Is he being coached enough? Can he be coached? Just imagine how dangerous he would be for 25 snaps a game if he knew where he was supposed to be every time.

''We know what he can do with the ball as a returner,'' offensive coordinator Ron Turner said. ''But he's got unbelievable receiving skills, and he's got natural receiving instincts. He does some things against DBs that you sit there and work and try to coach and get other guys to do. He does it naturally.

''The other day we ran a quick screen to him, and normally the guy just takes a step up and comes back, but the DB was pressed and he felt it, so he worked him a little more. It's stuff he does naturally. I've seen him come out here and guys are on him, and he just uses his hand to push off, legally, to get separation. Usually, you're teaching guys to do that. I'm like, 'Devin, how did you see it?'''

[davehead86]

Possibly, but our running game was pretty horrible, and yea if Rex had an O-line the passing game would be much much better.

But then again our recievers really love to drop passes so who knows...

The Bears need to rebuild ... big time...

I didnt literally mean run, damn sports terms. :lol I ment be on the same level as. :lol

Oh well.

I agree with the last part though.

[DMBZeppelin]

Orton to start Sunday. Rex is week to week. Listening to the press conference. Orton kind of sounds like a douche with how he's talking, but at the same time. I hope he does well. GO ORTON! If he does well enough, there's no reason not to cut Griese.

[Tiduwho]

Orton to start Sunday. Rex is week to week. Listening to the press conference. Orton kind of sounds like a douche with how he's talking, but at the same time. I hope he does well. GO ORTON! If he does well enough, there's no reason not to cut Griese.

How so? I only heard a snippet.

[cbotnyse]

I'm still more excited to see Hester return a few kicks and Adrian Peterson run all day.

Orton is only playing to keep his backup job, no way is he a starting QB in this league.

[BotheDMBFan]

Adrian Peterson(Ours) sucks balls as a starter. Give the ball to Garret Wolfe.

[Styx Cover Band]

Adrian Peterson(Ours) sucks balls as a starter. Give the ball to Garret Wolfe.\

:thumbsup

[davehead86]

Orton to start Sunday. Rex is week to week. Listening to the press conference. Orton kind of sounds like a douche with how he's talking, but at the same time. I hope he does well. GO ORTON! If he does well enough, there's no reason not to cut Griese.

It will def be an interesting game. :thumbsup :cool