Da Bears

[BotheDMBFan]

I think he was being sarcastic. Didn't he dislike Orton a lot?

[funksoul]

Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2140), upon hearing that Cutler was now his teammate, was stunned by the news.

"I guess the Bears felt like we needed another quarterback, so they made a move," Urlacher told the Chicago Tribune. "They gave up a lot. Cutler must be pretty good."
"I guess we got better as a team," Urlacher added, according to the newspaper. "You get a quarterback who is a Pro Bowl guy. But I will say this: I think Kyle Orton is a good quarterback. He's a great teammate. I hope he does really well in Denver."

Urlacher, for his part, does not view Cutler as an incoming troublemaker.

"I would be ticked off, too, if someone was trying to trade me and didn't tell me about it," he told the Tribune. "I don't think Jay is going to be an issue. We have a pretty good locker room, so I'm not worried about that. [Linebacker] Hunter [Hillenmeyer] knows him. And [Cutler] seems like a pretty good guy. I've never met him but I've heard good things about him. I'm not worried about him fitting in."


He put up 17-31, 302yds, 2 TD, 1 int vs the Bears D in '07.

[DMBZeppelin]

Based on Football Outsiders' advanced defense-adjusted yards above replacement stats (explained here (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3079031)), Cutler was one of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2008) last season. He holds very little if any blame for Denver's 8-8 record and late-season collapse. Cutler was the only full-time starting quarterback who didn't have a single game below replacement level in 2008. Denver was losing games because its defense was horrible (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef2008). Our DVOA ratings go back to 1994, and over the past 15 seasons, the only defense to play worse belonged to the 2008 Lions.

[BotheDMBFan]

In a loss if I remember correctly. However, that was at Soldier Field which makes me feel that Cutler will adapt to Chicago JUUUSSSTTT Fine.

[BotheDMBFan]

A Broncos loss that is.

[2Step1225]

As a broncos fan, I'll say that if your O line protects him, Cutler will be a stud QB for the bears no matter how mediocre the WRs are. His only drawback is that sometimes he'll make ill-advised throws, thinking his arm strength can bail him out, which can lead to some bad INTs.

If I was a Bears fan, I'd be more worried about keeping his ego under wraps and signing him long term without paying too much.

All in all, I'm hopeful this will work out for both teams. The Broncos can rebuild with the picks, and the Bears finally have a legit QB for the first time in decades to go with their always strong defense.

[funksoul]

A Broncos loss that is.

Bears won 37-34 on a Gould FG in OT. Hester returned a KO and a punt for a TD. Grosman 17-33 183 yds, 1 TD, 1 int. Typical Bears of the last couple of years.

[DMBZeppelin]

http://store.chicagobears.com/store/item.asp?store_item_color_id=3111&item_id=3430

:multi:multi:D:D:D:multi:multi

[funksoul]

http://store.chicagobears.com/store/item.asp?store_item_color_id=3111&item_id=3430

:multi:multi:D:D:D:multi:multi

I just peed myself a bit...

[DMBZeppelin]

Only one QB has thrown for more yards the last two years then Jay Cutler. That is Peyton Manning.

Also I'm listening to Boers and Bernstein. I downloaed the whole show on a iTunes podcast. Someone called it saying they didn't want Orton or Cutler.

Edit: They just corrected the stat on the podcast. Brees is in there as well. So Cutler third most yards the last three years.

[BotheDMBFan]

Legend of my amazing arm must be spreading.

[DMBZeppelin]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-090402-jay-culter-poll,0,7667976,post.poll

Check out that poll. As of this post there are 739 idiots in Chicago who think we should have kept Orton.

[MPizzle06]

I just stepped back and took a look at this...and I'm still amazed that THE CHICAGO BEARS made this trade today. Wow. Just wow.

Yes Opening Day is Monday, but fuck...GO BEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :multi

[darbini]

Go Bears! I am happy with the decision they have made.

[DMBZeppelin]

Just for fun...

Kyle Orton
505/913 (55.3%), 5,319 Yards (5.83 AVG), 30 TD's and 27 INT's (71.1 QB Rating)

Jay Cutler
384/616 (62.3%), 4,526 Yards (7.3 AVG), 25 TD's and 18 INT's (86.0 QB Rating)

You know what I'm comparing? Kyle Orton's CAREER to Cutler's 2008 season. Orton has been the full time starter in 2005 and 2008. Got playing time in 2007 with some starts. 2006 was the only year he didn't play because Rex took us to a Super Bowl.

[DMBZeppelin]

Reading stuff from Denver's angle, and they had this interesting tidbit:

Bears coach Lovie Smith also has the type of calm, soothing manner that may well suit Cutler, who clashed with McDaniels.

However, Cutler may have an issue with Bears offensive coordinator Ron Turner. Coming out of high school, Cutler thought he had a scholarship to the University of Illinois, where Turner was the head coach. Cutler has said Turner pulled the scholarship late in the recruiting process, resulting in his going to Vanderbilt.

[scrock25]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Bears.

[scrock25]

Just for fun...

Kyle Orton
505/913 (55.3%), 5,319 Yards (5.83 AVG), 30 TD's and 27 INT's (71.1 QB Rating)

Jay Cutler
384/616 (62.3%), 4,526 Yards (7.3 AVG), 25 TD's and 18 INT's (86.0 QB Rating)

You know what I'm comparing? Kyle Orton's CAREER to Cutler's 2008 season. Orton has been the full time starter in 2005 and 2008. Got playing time in 2007 with some starts. 2006 was the only year he didn't play because Rex took us to a Super Bowl.

Nope, your defense and special teams did.

[Tiduwho]

Hey Zep, is the actual moment that they broke the Cutler trade news on one of the podcasts on 670?

[DMBZeppelin]

Hey Zep, is the actual moment that they broke the Cutler trade news on one of the podcasts on 670?
Boers and Bernstein 4 o'clock hour. In fact almost the ENTIRE show was about Cutler.

They spent 2 o'clock hour (first hour of the show) explaiing talking about the rumors, and that Bears fans who didn't want Cutler were insane. 3 o'clock hour it continued till towards the end. For about 30-40 min they got on baseball/basketball.

They were about to get into something, and it happened. So if you download the 4 and 5 o'clock hour. You can hear their reaction and all the phone calls they got.

I'm reading comments on Denver's newspages, and I can't believe how many fans of Orton exist. "HE HAD A WINNING RECORD!" I swear to you it means nothing. Rex had a winning record, and a Super Bowl apperance. What does this tell you? Team wins/losses are exactly that TEAM wins/losses.

[DMBZeppelin]

Hey Zep, is the actual moment that they broke the Cutler trade news on one of the podcasts on 670?
http://www.670thescore.com/boers-and-bernstein-full-show-podcast/3578055

There ya go. Listen to the 4 and 5 o'clock hour, or just click subscribe and they'll pop up in your iTunes. That or search for it on iTunes, but that's harder.

Edit: If you're doing it in iTunes go to 17 min, 30 sec mark in the 4 o'clock hour of Boers and Berstein. You'll hear basketball talk for about 10 seconds and then it happens.

[JTRocks]

Just for fun...

Kyle Orton
505/913 (55.3%), 5,319 Yards (5.83 AVG), 30 TD's and 27 INT's (71.1 QB Rating)

Jay Cutler
384/616 (62.3%), 4,526 Yards (7.3 AVG), 25 TD's and 18 INT's (86.0 QB Rating)

You know what I'm comparing? Kyle Orton's CAREER to Cutler's 2008 season. Orton has been the full time starter in 2005 and 2008. Got playing time in 2007 with some starts. 2006 was the only year he didn't play because Rex took us to a Super Bowl.

i dont really want to get into this now, but c'mon, everyone knows rex didnt take the bears to the super bowl, THE BEARS took rex to the super bowl


and i'm surprised Boers and Bernstein didnt find some way to kill the excitement of the Cutler trade. those guys are the most negative motherfuckers in chicago since mariotti left. and they are such assholes to every single person that calls in

[DMBZeppelin]

i dont really want to get into this now, but c'mon, everyone knows rex didnt take the bears to the super bowl, THE BEARS took rex to the super bowl


and i'm surprised Boers and Bernstein didnt find some way to kill the excitement of the Cutler trade. those guys are the most negative motherfuckers in chicago since mariotti left. and they are such assholes to every single person that calls in
You can think that if you want, but it was early seaon Rex that really help clinch the first round bye in the playoffs. It was Rex's arm that put us in a position to win the Seahawks game late. It was Rex's arm that broke up a close game against the Saints.

I think Boers and Bernstein are great. They don't have patience for the average Chicago fan, and they can be a bit pesstimistic. At the same time. Every other sports radio show in Chicago is full of homers.

Regardless of what I think of Rex you just supported my argument. Because I know a lot of people look at it like you do. That's the point. Stupid Bears fans saying Kyle Orton wins. Your record as a starter is all that matters. How did Rex not meet that standard? Because he did with flying colors. I don't care how bad he was in a loss. I'm talking about wins, and under Rex we did that a lot.

That's why I say win/loss is crap. I don't care if Cutler has a losing record as a starer. It's his defenses fault. The Bears for the first time since the 1930's have one of the best QB's in the NFL.

[DMBZeppelin]

After looking at it. I'm all on the Torry Holt train. I'll be honest I thought Holt was older then he actually is.

Torry Holt is 32 (though he turns 33 in June), and Marvin Harrison is 36.

Harrison has kind of fallen off the last two years. Last year was Holts first season not getting 1,000 yards. Something good I noticed about Holt. Look at his last three years.

2006: 16 games, 93 rec, 1,188 yards (12.8 AVG)
2007: 16 games, 93 rec, 1,189 yards (12.8 AVG)
2008: 16 games, 64 rec, 796 yards (12.4 AVG)

His average tells me he's still doing about the same in terms of YAC. Which means his skills weren't diminishing. I think he suffered from simply not getting as many catches he did the previous years. He was obviously still healthy.

So Holts down year was 100% due to Bulgers' crap year. Holt is still a real receiver. All that crap year did was help lower his price. If Angelo gets Holt he'll turn this off season into a grand slam. He got coaches to fix the defense. He got the QB, fixed the O-line, and now he'll give Cutler a decent target.

[darbini]

I'm eager for Bennett and Cutler to start playing catch

[funksoul]

After looking at it. I'm all on the Torry Holt train. I'll be honest I thought Holt was older then he actually is.

Torry Holt is 32 (though he turns 33 in June), and Marvin Harrison is 36.

Harrison has kind of fallen off the last two years. Last year was Holts first season not getting 1,000 yards. Something good I noticed about Holt. Look at his last three years.

2006: 16 games, 93 rec, 1,188 yards (12.8 AVG)
2007: 16 games, 93 rec, 1,189 yards (12.8 AVG)
2008: 16 games, 64 rec, 796 yards (12.4 AVG)

His average tells me he's still doing about the same in terms of YAC. Which means his skills weren't diminishing. I think he suffered from simply not getting as many catches he did the previous years. He was obviously still healthy.

So Holts down year was 100% due to Bulgers' crap year. Holt is still a real receiver. All that crap year did was help lower his price. If Angelo gets Holt he'll turn this off season into a grand slam. He got coaches to fix the defense. He got the QB, fixed the O-line, and now he'll give Cutler a decent target.


Let's reunite Pace and Holt with Lovie :thumbsup

[DMBZeppelin]

I'm eager for Bennett and Cutler to start playing catch

Let's reunite Pace and Holt with Lovie :thumbsup
I think Bennett is going to be our Wes Welker. Someone who might not be good anywhere, but he's a Cutler guy. They know each other and like each other. I think it should work out.

If we can get Holt I pray Nicks falls to us with concerns about him being a fatty. If not. I say we trade the rest of our draft picks this year for Boldin. I'm fine with either. I hope you're right funksoul. Lovie was said to be a part to get Pace to play here. Maybe he can give Holt a call, and I'm sure playing with Cutler will make him want to come here very badly.

[DMBZeppelin]

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

Someone just called in Mulley and Hanley and said we overpaid.

They asked him how.

He brings up his career with Denver record as a starter.

They countered he was 13-1 when the defense held the other team to 21 or less.

He asked "Well how often does this defense hold a team to 21 points?"

They told him "This defense averaged giving up 21 points last year. Using your math we'd be 16-0" :lol:lol:lol:lol

He's still arguing we now are a worse team with Cutler.

[funksoul]

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

Someone just called in Mulley and Hanley and said we overpaid.

They asked him how.

He brings up his career with Denver record as a starter.

They countered he was 13-1 when the defense held the other team to 21 or less.

He asked "Well how often does this defense hold a team to 21 points?"

They told him "This defense averaged giving up 21 points last year. Using your math we'd be 16-0" :lol:lol:lol:lol

He's still arguing we now are a worse team with Cutler.


I'm listening to this at work...often I find them obnoxious, but I am eagerly awaiting the first guy who calls into Boers/Bernstein this afternoon and makes a comment like this. Bernstein is gonna have a field day with the Orton meatballs.

[DMBZeppelin]

I'm listening to this at work...often I find them obnoxious, but I am eagerly awaiting the first guy who calls into Boers/Bernstein this afternoon and makes a comment like this. Bernstein is gonna have a field day with the Orton meatballs.
I just don't get it honestly. The same meatballs bitching how we always blow 1st roun picks, are complaining about giving them up? Do they really think if we kept Orton he'd beat out Cutler? Money spent on Cutler maybe went to Pace and hopefully Holt.

After those people get on board. Barring injury we will never ever ever ever ever have to argue who's our QB for the next 10 years. That's something every Bears fan needs to be on board for. Maybe the Orton fans are scared and warry of this, but it's ok. Cutler is our QB, and we don't need to question it. There's no need to call in this pre-season "PUT IN HANIE! PUT IN HANIE! GIVE HIM A SHOT!". It's all over. We're a real NFL team.

[funksoul]

I just don't get it honestly. The same meatballs bitching how we always blow 1st roun picks, are complaining about giving them up? Do they really think if we kept Orton he'd beat out Cutler? Money spent on Cutler maybe went to Pace and hopefully Holt.

After those people get on board. Barring injury we will never ever ever ever ever have to argue who's our QB for the next 10 years. That's something every Bears fan needs to be on board for. Maybe the Orton fans are scared and warry of this, but it's ok. Cutler is our QB, and we don't need to question it. There's no need to call in this pre-season "PUT IN HANIE! PUT IN HANIE! GIVE HIM A SHOT!". It's all over. We're a real NFL team.


But, but, but, uh...you know...I don't really think we gave Grossman a fair shot.

You know...that Kyle Orton guy is a winner and I really like his beard.

Yeah, hi...I went to Northwestern and I think the Bears should really consider Brett Basanez

Uh yeah...so I was watching the uh Bears in the uh preseason...uh...game. That Caleb Heinee guy looked like he could be the answer. did you see him run around?


SHUT THE FUCK UP FOR GOOD!!!! NO MORE!!! DONE!! OVER!!! NEVER AGAIN THIS KIND OF TALK!! EVER!!!!!!!!!!! EXPECT MORE FROM NOW ON BEARS FANS!!!!!!!!

[BotheDMBFan]

I'm still so fucking happy.

[DMBZeppelin]

But, but, but, uh...you know...I don't really think we gave Grossman a fair shot.

You know...that Kyle Orton guy is a winner and I really like his beard.

Yeah, hi...I went to Northwestern and I think the Bears should really consider Brett Basanez

Uh yeah...so I was watching the uh Bears in the uh preseason...uh...game. That Caleb Heinee guy looked like he could be the answer. did you see him run around?


SHUT THE FUCK UP FOR GOOD!!!! NO MORE!!! DONE!! OVER!!! NEVER AGAIN THIS KIND OF TALK!! EVER!!!!!!!!!!! EXPECT MORE FROM NOW ON BEARS FANS!!!!!!!!
:thumbsup It all ends Sunday night September 13th, 2009. A new era of Bears football starts against the Packers. To me that's just perfect.

[BotheDMBFan]

STILL SO FUCKING HAPPY!!!!!!!

Please bring in Holt.

[meatball41]

Now we just need to get rid of Ron Turner and were Super Bowl bound!! :bounce:bounce

[BotheDMBFan]

Hire Martz. Forte will have a 1,000/1,000 season.

[darbini]

Any fan of Orton should hop on the short bus to Denver

[BotheDMBFan]

I like him as a person, and I can understand arguments for him over Grossman...but Jay Cutler is better in every way shape and form.

[DMBZeppelin]

Desmond Clark is on the Score right now.

Sad to see Kyle go because they are friends. I mean it's becoming clear as a teammate the Bears players like Orton. That said Clark like everyone else is really excited. They do feel a new sense of urgency with Cutler and Pace coming in. He even said we need to get rid of this "We cool attitude". He thinks Cutler will go a long way into doing that. Plus like us he's wondering what he's going to be like, and what the offense will look like.

[BotheDMBFan]

Seriously, Clark should be our Full Back...

[funksoul]

Now we just need to get rid of Ron Turner and were Super Bowl bound!! :bounce:bounce

I couldn't disagree with you more on that.

[DMBZeppelin]

I couldn't disagree with you more on that.
You like Ron Turner?

[funksoul]

You like Ron Turner?

I think he did a remarkable job last year with what he had to work with.

I certainly don't think he is the problem. People were always clamoring for plays which made no sense with our personnel. I expect him to have an outstanding season with Cutler at the helm.

[BustedStuff87]

So the official Grossman vs Orton debate in here is dead forever now right???

[DMBZeppelin]

So the official Grossman vs Orton debate in here is dead forever now right???
Yep. :D

Now we need to get people over the Orton vs Cutler debate. Everyone just get on the Cutler band wagon. Listen to the Score if you don't think he's still got some people who'd rather have him.

Once we all get on board with Cutler. We can stop debating who should be the QB for a while. It will be glorious.

[meatball41]

I think he did a remarkable job last year with what he had to work with.

I certainly don't think he is the problem. People were always clamoring for plays which made no sense with our personnel. I expect him to have an outstanding season with Cutler at the helm.

I was kidding about the Super Bowl Part, but if you think Ron Turner is an asset to this offense and this coaching staff you are sadly mistaken. He was a horrible College coach and a horrible OC. The stats speak for themselves..

'93- 24th
'94- 24th
'95- 8th
'96- 26th
'05- 27th
'06- 3rd
'07- 20th
'08- 15th

[BustedStuff87]

Yep. :D

Now we need to get people over the Orton vs Cutler debate. Everyone just get on the Cutler band wagon. Listen to the Score if you don't think he's still got some people who'd rather have him.

Once we all get on board with Cutler. We can stop debating who should be the QB for a while. It will be glorious.

Fuck yea. Bout time. It's like leaving home for the first time. Never experienced anything like this before so it's going to be weird to have all my confidence put into Cutler.

Now lets get someone for him to throw too.

:BANGBears:BANGBears:BANGBears:BANGBears

[DMBZeppelin]

Cutler is doing an interview on the Score right now. He's going out to dinner with Lovie tonight, and Monday will come to Halas Hall and get to work.

He knows without them saying it how much they want him, and feels the Bears are 100% behind him basically. Overall you can tell just how excited he is to be here. Oh and I heard during the press conference. He knows how important it is to run the ball. He said they threw all the time last year and missed the playoffs. So he's not going to complain if we're not pass happy here.

[BustedStuff87]

Cutler is doing an interview on the Score right now. He's going out to dinner with Lovie tonight, and Monday will come to Halas Hall and get to work.

He knows without them saying it how much they want him, and feels the Bears are 100% behind him basically. Overall you can tell just how excited he is to be here. Oh and I heard during the press conference. He knows how important it is to run the ball. He said they threw all the time last year and missed the playoffs. So he's not going to complain if we're not pass happy here.


Halllllleee!

Hallllleeeeeeeeee!

Halllleeeeellluuuuujahhhhh!

[DMBCubs25]

seriously anyone thats upset about us giving up orton go get cutler is a fucking idiot, this is the best deal the bears could have made and honestly didn't really give up that much, the goal is the superbowl, not just to compete

[BustedStuff87]

seriously anyone thats upset about us giving up orton go get cutler is a fucking idiot, this is the best deal the bears could have made and honestly didn't really give up that much, the goal is the superbowl, not just to compete

Preach brother Preach. :leroi

[Tiduwho]

Pro-Bowl Quarterback >>>>>> Stupid fucking unknown draft picks that could be busts anyways

[JaJunk]

Plaxico would fit nicely.

[BotheDMBFan]

No he wouldn't.

[kittensXLI]

Yes he would. He'd fit nicely anywhere; he's a great WR.

[BotheDMBFan]

Yes he would. He'd fit nicely anywhere; he's a great WR.

I'm thinking more of the fact that he's goin to jail for a year.

[kittensXLI]

I'm thinking more of the fact that he's goin to jail for a year.
That's besides the point.

[BotheDMBFan]

That's besides the point.

A year off from football RUINS most people.

[kittensXLI]

I agree to an extent. Even if/when Burress is gone for 2009, it'd be a bad move for most teams to pass on him in 2010.

[DMBZeppelin]

Ok Bears fans. I've been thinking about what Jay Cutler means to the Bears. It's so much more then just being a QB. You realize that we now have a good shot at the playoffs?

We were 9-7 this past season. Just replacing Orton with Cutler is worth about 3 wins IMHO. I really think we wind up with about 12 wins with him on this team. All we've done this offseason is improve the team. This O-line looks a lot more talented then last year. Forte is a year older.

Lets not forget just how important Marinelli can be to this team. Warren Sapp credited him for making him who he was in this defense. Harris has been working with Sapp this offseason. Marinelli will get this defensive line back in shape.

I really do feel like we'll get closer to being that 2006 defense with pretty much having the same core guys. Regardless what if this defense is bad? Do you realize what Cutler does for us? He had the 29th ranked defense last year and went 8-8?

Quarteracks cover up A LOT of problems your team may have. Look how Favre was able to dominate the Central/North for years. How often does Peyton Manning have a good defense? Almost never. You're always in a game with a guy like Cutler because you can ALWAYS answer back on offense.

We pretty much traded for someone who will keep us in the playoff hunt every year. I know people might say "Well Cutler has no one to throw to." but I promise everyone if we came back with the same receivers they'd all do better under Cutler. Good QB's can make mediocre receivers look good. Look at Brady and Dieon Branch. I'm all for getting him some lethal weapons, but Cutler is going to have things around him here in Chicago.

Cutler has never had a running back like Forte while he was in Denver. Imagine the running lanes Cutler will open up for Forte. Imagine how well play action will work for Cutler. He has two great safety nets in Olsen and Clark. More importantly look at the NFC in general. Who's there every year? The Eagles are one team. Why? Donovan McNabb, even if he's underrated at times.

Only the Packers will be a consistent threat to us in th NFC North. The NFC in general isn't loaded with QB talent. I really don't know what to expect with this 2009 Bears team, but I do think the playoffs should be expected.

[DMBZeppelin]

YouTube vid: The Jay and Earl Show (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-2yd_EPqB8)

Just like old times.

[TwoStep2888]

Ok Bears fans. I've been thinking about what Jay Cutler means to the Bears. It's so much more then just being a QB. You realize that we now have a good shot at the playoffs?

We were 9-7 this past season. Just replacing Orton with Cutler is worth about 3 wins IMHO. I really think we wind up with about 12 wins with him on this team. All we've done this offseason is improve the team. This O-line looks a lot more talented then last year. Forte is a year older.

Lets not forget just how important Marinelli can be to this team. Warren Sapp credited him for making him who he was in this defense. Harris has been working with Sapp this offseason. Marinelli will get this defensive line back in shape.

I really do feel like we'll get closer to being that 2006 defense with pretty much having the same core guys. Regardless what if this defense is bad? Do you realize what Cutler does for us? He had the 29th ranked defense last year and went 8-8?

Quarteracks cover up A LOT of problems your team may have. Look how Favre was able to dominate the Central/North for years. How often does Peyton Manning have a good defense? Almost never. You're always in a game with a guy like Cutler because you can ALWAYS answer back on offense.

We pretty much traded for someone who will keep us in the playoff hunt every year. I know people might say "Well Cutler has no one to throw to." but I promise everyone if we came back with the same receivers they'd all do better under Cutler. Good QB's can make mediocre receivers look good. Look at Brady and Dieon Branch. I'm all for getting him some lethal weapons, but Cutler is going to have things around him here in Chicago.

Cutler has never had a running back like Forte while he was in Denver. Imagine the running lanes Cutler will open up for Forte. Imagine how well play action will work for Cutler. He has two great safety nets in Olsen and Clark. More importantly look at the NFC in general. Who's there every year? The Eagles are one team. Why? Donovan McNabb, even if he's underrated at times.

Only the Packers will be a consistent threat to us in th NFC North. The NFC in general isn't loaded with QB talent. I really don't know what to expect with this 2009 Bears team, but I do think the playoffs should be expected.

sup, zep

Good post, but I should point out, in regards to the bold, that while Cutler never had one great RB, Denver's run game was excellent last season, even with all the injuries, so Forte won't be a huge advantage for him in Chicago compared to Denver.

NFL Team YPC leaders

1) NYG 5.0
2) DEN 4.8
3) CAR 4.8
4) KC 4.8
5-32) everyone else

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byteam?group=Offense&cat=Rushing&conference=NFL&year=season_2008&sort=40&timeframe=

Aside from that minor technical point, though, you're good. I'm glad y'all are so happy, and I'm looking forward to a shootout in Week 1. :)

[Tiduwho]

YouTube vid: The Jay and Earl Show (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-2yd_EPqB8)

Just like old times.

You've gotta figure that if anyone was going to make Earl Bennett good this year, it's going to be Cutler. Who knows with Bennett. Really, he was never on the field because they say he never learned the playbook.


The kid's GOTTA have some talent, so let's see what he does now that he's reunited with his college QB.

[Tiduwho]

Ok Bears fans. I've been thinking about what Jay Cutler means to the Bears. It's so much more then just being a QB. You realize that we now have a good shot at the playoffs?

We were 9-7 this past season. Just replacing Orton with Cutler is worth about 3 wins IMHO. I really think we wind up with about 12 wins with him on this team. All we've done this offseason is improve the team. This O-line looks a lot more talented then last year. Forte is a year older.

Lets not forget just how important Marinelli can be to this team. Warren Sapp credited him for making him who he was in this defense. Harris has been working with Sapp this offseason. Marinelli will get this defensive line back in shape.

I really do feel like we'll get closer to being that 2006 defense with pretty much having the same core guys. Regardless what if this defense is bad? Do you realize what Cutler does for us? He had the 29th ranked defense last year and went 8-8?

Quarteracks cover up A LOT of problems your team may have. Look how Favre was able to dominate the Central/North for years. How often does Peyton Manning have a good defense? Almost never. You're always in a game with a guy like Cutler because you can ALWAYS answer back on offense.

We pretty much traded for someone who will keep us in the playoff hunt every year. I know people might say "Well Cutler has no one to throw to." but I promise everyone if we came back with the same receivers they'd all do better under Cutler. Good QB's can make mediocre receivers look good. Look at Brady and Dieon Branch. I'm all for getting him some lethal weapons, but Cutler is going to have things around him here in Chicago.

Cutler has never had a running back like Forte while he was in Denver. Imagine the running lanes Cutler will open up for Forte. Imagine how well play action will work for Cutler. He has two great safety nets in Olsen and Clark. More importantly look at the NFC in general. Who's there every year? The Eagles are one team. Why? Donovan McNabb, even if he's underrated at times.

Only the Packers will be a consistent threat to us in th NFC North. The NFC in general isn't loaded with QB talent. I really don't know what to expect with this 2009 Bears team, but I do think the playoffs should be expected.

Great stuff. Well said. :thumbsup

[DMBZeppelin]

Devin Hester eager for Jay Cutler passes (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-04-bears-bits-chicago-apr04,0,938495.story)
Chicago Bears receiver also would like team to add Torry Holt

Devin Hester (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/football/devin-hester-PESPT007248.topic)all but salivated as he envisioned fielding deep balls from new Bears quarterback Jay Cutler. But as he continues to evolve as a receiver, Hester would welcome help at the position.

He even has someone in mind.

" Torry Holt (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/torry-holt-PESPT003321.topic)," Hester said. "In my opinion, he still has two good years left in him.

"From going to the Pro Bowl, I picked his brain. We talked about route running. He seems to have a lot of knowledge. I could pick his brain some more for a few years, and that would really help us out."

Problem is, Holt, 32, reportedly had a good visit in Tennessee and could end up signing with the Titans. The former Rams star also visited Jacksonville. But Holt has a history with Bears coach Lovie Smith (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/football/lovie-smith-PESPT008481.topic) from St. Louis and his former teammate, Orlando Pace (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/orlando-pace-PESPT005612.topic), just signed with the Bears (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/chicago-bears-ORSPT000036.topic).

Another veteran receiver hit the market Friday when Plaxico Burress (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/plaxico-burress-PESPT001010.topic) was released by the Giants (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/football/new-york-giants-ORSPT000197.topic). His legal issue involved a gun-possession charge and that might scare teams away. And the Bears dispatched Tank Johnson and Cedric Benson (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/football/cedric-benson-PESPT008277.topic) after too many off-the-field incidents.

New start: Former Bears quarterback Kyle Orton (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/football/kyle-orton-PESPT007026.topic) arrived in Denver on Friday a day after getting traded for Cutler. And Orton apparently shaved his beard, signifying a new start.

Asked by the Denver Post about the trade, Orton said, "No, I wasn't expecting it. I don't really pay attention to speculation. I'm not a guy who talks to my agent every day, either."

[JaJunk]

No throat beard? Why would he go and do such a thing? And I do think Holt would be a great pickup.

[DMBZeppelin]

No throat beard? Why would he go and do such a thing?
Maybe he's trying to be more like Jay Cutler.

[JaJunk]

Maybe he's trying to be more like Jay Cutler.

Baby face Orton. I don't like it. Throat beards are designed to scare defenses. What will razor burn do?

[DMBZeppelin]

Baby face Orton. I don't like it. Throat beards are designed to scare defenses. What will razor burn do?
Make them draft Mark Sanchez.

[DMBZeppelin]

Anyone ever mess around with the NFL Replay Re-Cutter? http://replay-re-cutter.nfl.com/ you can basically make your own highlight thing. Anyways I'm in the middle of making a Cutler one and wanted some thoughts. After looking at various highlights I have about 4 min here.

Anyone who's bored and watches it. Do you think the plays I picked are good ones? Should I try and get more of other type of plays? One I figure that out I'll try to make the clips transition better. I'm just completely bored and messing around with this :lol.

My Cutler highlights:

http://replay-re-cutter.nfl.com/Clip.aspx?key=791E8339CBBD6D30

[DMBZeppelin]

As some of you may recall. I'm pretty big on Sam Bradford. For whatever reason my friend decided to ask me "So... question... do you care about Sam Bradford now?" to which I replied "Fuck no."

It's a great feeling.

Bear down.

[lockman21]

I really, really hope the Bears can pick up Holt.

[BotheDMBFan]

Jay Cutler rules. When do we build the monument to him?

[BustedStuff87]

Jay Cutler rules. When do we build the monument to him?

When him and Hester hook up for 20 TD's all of 70 yards+

[DMBZeppelin]

Saw this in the Chicago Tribune.

Torry Holt (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/torry-holt-PESPT003321.topic), Marvin Harrison (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/marvin-harrison-PESPT003021.topic)and Joe Jurevicius (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/joe-jurevicius-PESPT003807.topic) are examples of aging players who are not what they once were. But Holt, in particular, still could help a team.

To sign restricted free agent Lance Moore, the Bears probably would have to give up their second-round draft pick to the Saints. But Moore likely would provide immediate production the Bears could only hope a second-round pick would.

There also is a decent chance some wide receivers will be released after the draft. None of them will resemble Jerry Rice (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/jerry-rice-PESPT006161.topic) in his prime, but some capable players will shake loose.

The trade market is ripe with opportunities, but the Bears don't have much to offer after giving up three draft picks in the Cutler trade. Indications are Braylon Edwards and Chad Ocho Cinco could be traded on or before draft day. And the Anquan Boldin situation remains unsettled in Arizona.

I totally forgot Edwards wanted out of Cleveland. What do you think it cost to go get him? He's in a contract year and coming off a dissapointing season. People won't give up a lot for someone who might be a 1 year rental. Apparently the Giants has trade talks about him earlier this offseason.

Edwards has #1 skills, but has produced like a really good 2. He's only 26 and he might get better. I just think unless the Bears pull off another blockbuster for Boldin. I'd love them if, even if they had to give up their 2nd rounder, they went and got Edwards and signed Holt. Jay needs some weapons.

[DMBZeppelin]

Looking at Cutler's game logs. Since he is a gun slinger. We will see those interceptions rear their ugly head. Last year in Week 9 against Miami was his only 3 INT game ever. I figured he'd have like a Rex/Romo bad game, but usually if he has an INT it's just one a game. He's also never had 2+ INT games in back to back weeks. Though he probably will throw an INT for the Bears almost every week.

[kittensXLI]

Lance Moore isn't worth a 4th round pick, let alone a 2nd.

[BustedStuff87]

Saw this in the Chicago Tribune.



I totally forgot Edwards wanted out of Cleveland. What do you think it cost to go get him? He's in a contract year and coming off a dissapointing season. People won't give up a lot for someone who might be a 1 year rental. Apparently the Giants has trade talks about him earlier this offseason.

Edwards has #1 skills, but has produced like a really good 2. He's only 26 and he might get better. I just think unless the Bears pull off another blockbuster for Boldin. I'd love them if, even if they had to give up their 2nd rounder, they went and got Edwards and signed Holt. Jay needs some weapons.

Braylon Edwards and Holt on the Bears would be insane. Braylon is a solid WR and Holt is Torry Holt.

Braylon's made some tight catches with Cleveland and after playing Madden, I'd love to have him.

Our receiving core could only go up, so why not.

[DMBZeppelin]

And on the subject of the Bears, don't count them out of draft-day dealing. General manager Jerry Angelo says the team already is discussing scenarios in which it can move up from its 17th spot in the second round to acquire a "bubble first-rounder" early in the second round. Angelo also is open to the possibility of moving down if the round does not break right.
Sounds to me like they're talking about a Hakeem Nicks type player. How far will Heyward-Bey fall since he was expected to be there when the Bears picked? I mean it's VERY VERY VERY possible the receiver the Bears wanted at 18 could be there as a bubble 1st rounder and the Bears get him anyways.

[hubbsguyhaah]

saw heyward bey play in person last year...guys fast as hell. i feel like hes a little like eddie royal...i think hell be in the top 3 of rookie wrs next year

[BotheDMBFan]

Me and Zach laugh about Eddie Royal regularly.

ANYDAMNWAY, Bring in Torry Holt, please. I don't want Edwards unless he decides to take those cinder blocks off of his hands.

[Garrettnettz]

i dont really want to get into this now, but c'mon, everyone knows rex didnt take the bears to the super bowl, THE BEARS took rex to the super bowl


and i'm surprised Boers and Bernstein didnt find some way to kill the excitement of the Cutler trade. those guys are the most negative motherfuckers in chicago since mariotti left. and they are such assholes to every single person that calls in

Boers and bernstien suck so bad. I hate those motherfuckers so much. How they have the drive time slot is beyond me. I respect u for saying that they blow. We are now friends haha.

[darbini]

Go Bears

[Tiduwho]

Boers and bernstien suck so bad. I hate those motherfuckers so much. How they have the drive time slot is beyond me. I respect u for saying that they blow. We are now friends haha.

You kidding? B&B are the best things in Chicago radio. Easily. They don't cater to meatheads, they don't cater to negative debbie downer fans, they don't cater to anyone that doesn't know anything about sports. They're mostly just funny.

The only time the show goes down is when Bernstein gets mad and pompous, which is a rarity.


I'm so glad Dan McNeil is gone from AM 1000. He brought annoying through the rough.


Chicago Radio Shows
1. B&B
2. Waddle & Silvy
3. Mully & Handley
4. Hamp & Holmes
5. Afternoon Saloon
6. Mike & Mike


Huge dropoff

7. Tirico and Van Pelt

Huge dropoff

8. Murph. God is he awful.

[DMBZeppelin]

Boers and bernstien suck so bad. I hate those motherfuckers so much. How they have the drive time slot is beyond me. I respect u for saying that they blow. We are now friends haha.
Are you a Murph fan? If so we'll never see eye to eye. Enjoy your beef. I realize they aren't as nice about things as Mully, but they do give you everything straight. 9 times out of 10 are 100% correct. Even if they are rude to the meatheads, they are usually objective. When in the mood for it they try to reason with meatheads. Asking them "Why do you believe (insert something)." to which no one ever has an answer for.

Listen to the day they traded for Cutler. They spent the first hour (when people were just speculating) that anyone who wanted Orton over Cutler was an idiot. Again maybe they could sugar coat it like Mully, but it was the god honest truth.

You kidding? B&B are the best things in Chicago radio. Easily. They don't cater to meatheads, they don't cater to negative debbie downer fans, they don't cater to anyone that doesn't know anything about sports. They're mostly just funny.

The only time the show goes down is when Bernstein gets mad and pompous, which is a rarity.


I'm so glad Dan McNeil is gone from AM 1000. He brought annoying through the rough.


Chicago Radio Shows
1. B&B
2. Waddle & Silvy
3. Mully & Handley
4. Hamp & Holmes
5. Afternoon Saloon
6. Mike & Mike


Huge dropoff

7. Tirico and Van Pelt

Huge dropoff

8. Murph. God is he awful.
This list is pretty much spot on. Except I do think there's a decent (but not huge) gap between 4 and 5 on that list. Though I haven't listend to the Afternoon Saloon much since McNeil left. Maybe it got a lot better.

[funksoul]

Boers and bernstien suck so bad. I hate those motherfuckers so much. How they have the drive time slot is beyond me. I respect u for saying that they blow. We are now friends haha.

Wrong. It's tough, intelligent sports talk and that's understandably not for everyone.

[DMBZeppelin]

Wrong. It's tough, intelligent sports talk and that's understandably not for everyone.
:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[DMBZeppelin]

Also check this out: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80fa342e&campaign=ec0009

It's Orton talking about the trade... minus a neck beard. That's what he looked like when we drafted him.

[kittensXLI]

Who is that and where is the real Kyle Orton?

[DMBZeppelin]

Who is that and where is the real Kyle Orton?
Probably clogging up the drain pipe in his soon to be old Chicago home.

[kittensXLI]

In all seriousness, I think Orton could have a solid-to-good year if he remains the unquestioned starter as long as he's healthy.

[AlexK79]

This list is pretty much spot on. Except I do think there's a decent (but not huge) gap between 4 and 5 on that list. Though I haven't listend to the Afternoon Saloon much since McNeil left. Maybe it got a lot better.


It hasn't. Unfortunately they replaced him with Carmen DeFalco, who replaces McNeil's loud, obnoxious, blowhard arrogance with his own smug, I'm-too-good-for-you, quiet arrogance.

Sports radio in Chicago is freaking awful. I can't stand the overall mentality - obnoxious, know nothing hosts who cater to obnoxious, know-nothing fans.

It's all the same - stupid meatheads calling in - "[Insert name of current Chicago sports pariah] is a bum! Seriously, get dis guy outta there, I am so sick of watchin him, dees guys don't know what da hell they're doin!"

[DMBZeppelin]

It hasn't. Unfortunately they replaced him with Carmen DeFalco, who replaces McNeil's loud, obnoxious, blowhard arrogance with his own smug, I'm-too-good-for-you, quiet arrogance.

Sports radio in Chicago is freaking awful. I can't stand the overall mentality - obnoxious, know nothing hosts who cater to obnoxious, know-nothing fans.

It's all the same - stupid meatheads calling in - "[Insert name of current Chicago sports pariah] is a bum! Seriously, get dis guy outta there, I am so sick of watchin him, dees guys don't know what da hell they're doin!"
Ya since this is the Bears thread here's the stuff that I'll never understand

- Bear weather: IT DOESN'T EXIST
- Lovie doesn't yell so he's not a good coach: He got us to a Super Bowl

Hopefully no one calls into a radio station this pre-season yelling about how they need to give Caleb Hanie a shot at starting.

Oh and the people who think we should hire every ex-Bear to coach. Granted some of them are good, but that shouldn't be the only thing you base a hiring on.

[Garrettnettz]

Are you a Murph fan? If so we'll never see eye to eye. Enjoy your beef. I realize they aren't as nice about things as Mully, but they do give you everything straight. 9 times out of 10 are 100% correct. Even if they are rude to the meatheads, they are usually objective. When in the mood for it they try to reason with meatheads. Asking them "Why do you believe (insert something)." to which no one ever has an answer for.

Listen to the day they traded for Cutler. They spent the first hour (when people were just speculating) that anyone who wanted Orton over Cutler was an idiot. Again maybe they could sugar coat it like Mully, but it was the god honest truth.


This list is pretty much spot on. Except I do think there's a decent (but not huge) gap between 4 and 5 on that list. Though I haven't listend to the Afternoon Saloon much since McNeil left. Maybe it got a lot better.
Honestly I don't really like the talk radio scene a whole lot in chi anymore. I used to listen to the score religiously before I got sirius, and thankfully I don't have to listen to regular radio now. Its not that I don't think that b&b know what's up, they seem knowledgable(sp?) abt most topics. I just don't like that bernstein turns into a little whiny bitch all the time. And their jokes are so rediculously unfunny I can't stand it. They are like the bob and tom of sports talk for me: unbearable. The thing abt talk radio is that its abt personal preference for most ppl tho. I respect someones appreciation for something I don't like. I just cannottttt stand those two asshats. The score has a bunch of dipshits now that I think of it.

[Garrettnettz]

I was watching espn while on the treadmill today and saw an update abt wrs who were fa's or to be traded. Quite a list. Marvin harrison, torry holt, chad johnson, and a few I can't think of right now. I still think torry holt has a TON of miles left on him. He would be a instant #1 for us right? I just sent my money in today for my season tickets! 4 months and change!!

[BustedStuff87]

I was watching espn while on the treadmill today and saw an update abt wrs who were fa's or to be traded. Quite a list. Marvin harrison, torry holt, chad johnson, and a few I can't think of right now. I still think torry holt has a TON of miles left on him. He would be a instant #1 for us right?

Totally agree. Only worry is that the transition to grass and cold for every single home game might have an impact. But he's a guy, he probably won't be affected.

I just sent my money in today for my season tickets! 4 months and change!!

Nice. My pops just did also. Section 153. Gonna be a sick year hopefully.

[Garrettnettz]

Totally agree. Only worry is that the transition to grass and cold for every single home game might have an impact. But he's a guy, he probably won't be affected.



Nice. My pops just did also. Section 153. Gonna be a sick year hopefully.

Sweet! I'm in 115. Can't wait to see the schedule. Obviously the steelers game will be mnf/snf.

[DMBZeppelin]

Sweet! I'm in 115. Can't wait to see the schedule. Obviously the steelers game will be mnf/snf.
With the addition of Cutler. I bet we have a shot at a lot of national games. How happy do you think the NFL is with the Bears right now?

Week 3 of the pre-season is Bears @ Broncos on Sunday Night Football. Cutler will get booed every single snap.

Then Bears/Packers Week 1 is also Sunday Night Football and Cutler's first offical game as a Bear.

[Garrettnettz]

Yeah I saw that preseason game. Orton vs cutler for all the marbles! Oh wait, its meaningless. Preseason ftl. I am all over that week one matchup. I was hoping for a tgiving game in dtroit but I guess GB is taking that one. I agree w/ u we will be getting a few more natl games with j cutler in there. Plus with the flex schedule we will be In line for a few more no doubt. I heard the schedule comes our next tuesday @ 3pm.

[DMBZeppelin]

Jay Cutler expressed love for Chicago Bears before 2006 draft (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-07-bears-cutler-chicagoapr07,0,7512803.story)
QB let it be known in '06 that Chicago was ultimate choice

The exact date and time slipped John Sisk's memory, but the Vanderbilt strength and conditioning coach remembers the moment Jay Cutler expressed his affection for the Bears (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/chicago-bears-ORSPT000036.topic).

Sisk and Cutler were headed from the weight room to the field for a 2006 pre-combine workout. As the two engaged in casual conversation, Sisk asked Cutler what team he hoped would draft him.

"He said the Bears," Sisk said Monday. "He had been here for four years, and I had no idea about his love for Chicago. But we were hoping his name wouldn't come up with the Bears because they were picking late in the first round."

Weeks after that conversation, Sisk recalled listening to ex-Bear Bryan Cox on XM radio, urging the Bears to draft Cutler.

"And I told Jay to go buy a Bryan Cox throwback jersey and wear it around town," Sisk said with a laugh. "We were both fired up about it, although I was thinking to myself, 'What does Bryan Cox know about the draft?' "

Cutler was selected by the Broncos with the 11th overall pick and the Bears later traded out of the first round. But in Sisk's mind, everything came full circle.

The coach was inside the same weight room on Thursday when Cutler strolled in, wearing a smile from Nashville to Chicago. News of the trade quickly spread, as if Cutler's facial expression didn't already reveal his destination.

"To have Jay and three other Vanderbilt guys up there in Chicago … you can't describe the feeling," said Sisk, referring to Earl Bennett, Chris Williams and Hunter Hillenmeyer (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/football/hunter-hillenmeyer-PESPT008275.topic). "That doesn't happen too much to a school like Vanderbilt."

Familiar faces: Bennett was in a Vanderbilt classroom Thursday, taking in a lecture for his deviant behavior class. How fitting, considering the trade for Cutler defied all odds.

"I stepped out of class because our agent, Bus Cook, called first," Bennett said. "Then I had to step out again when Jay called. He just told me to be ready."

A giddy Bennett reflected on some college moments they shared. Cutler's last pass at Vanderbilt was a touchdown to Bennett, allowing the Commodores to beat Tennessee for the first time in 23 years. But Bennett opted to reveal an off-the-field secret rather than reminisce about on-the-field success.

"Ask Jay when is the last time he went to the Wendy's on West End Street," Bennett said. "He would be there late all the time, like 2 in the morning."

Jokes aside, no one might benefit more from Cutler's arrival than Bennett, who, as a freshman, was Cutler's go-to receiver in 2005. Bennett left Vanderbilt as the Southeastern Conference's all-time leader in receptions (236). The third-round pick ended his first season with the Bears with no catches as he struggled to absorb the playbook.

"When I got here, I was asking him some questions about it because everyone's like, 'Your receivers are not that good,' " Cutler said. "I know what Earl's capable of. And I'll be able to get it out of him. I'm 100 percent sure of that. That's not going to be a problem.

"You're obviously going to see a different receiver this year because I think everyone's a bit down on him right now."

That's a sharp contrast to the electricity Cutler has injected into the city. Williams, possibly the starting right tackle for 2009, was convinced there was no chance for a reunion with his quarterback.

"Two of our college teammates—George Smith and Marlon White—were in Chicago last week, and I had just told them two days before the trade, 'Nah, we're not going to get Jay,' " Williams said. "I looked at the rumors as no big deal. But then coach Sisk called and confirmed that it was going to happen."

Sisk got chills just from watching Cutler's reaction.

"I was excited for him because it was his favorite team," Sisk said. "It was like seeing Jay on draft day all over again."

[DMBZeppelin]

Bill Wade blazed trail for Jay Cutler (http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090405/SPORTS01/904050377/1027)
Ex-Vanderbilt stars traded to Bears

Bill Wade never has met Jay Cutler. Wade lost his eyesight nearly seven years ago, so he never got a chance to see Cutler play.

But Wade is fully aware of the history they share.

Like Cutler, Wade was an All-SEC quarterback at Vanderbilt. And like Cutler, Wade ended up being traded to the Chicago Bears.

In fact, when the Broncos traded Cutler to the Bears this week, some immediately began calling him the franchise's best quarterback since Wade, who guided the Bears to the NFL championship in 1963.

"That,'' the 78-year-old Wade said with a smile, "was a long, long time ago. I guess it's about time they got another Vanderbilt quarterback.''
Wade, who still lives in Nashville, said he hopes Cutler has the time of his life.

"I don't remember things like I used to, but I still remember the fans in Chicago,'' Wade said.

"They are very deliberate; I guess that's a good way to put it, even then. And when you win a (title) it makes it even more enjoyable. It was a good experience for me, all the way around. I hope it works out for him as well as it did for me.''

Cutler, 25, is about to fulfill a childhood dream. Growing up in Santa Claus, Ind., he rooted for the Bears.

He just never envisioned landing in the Windy City this way — shipped out of Denver after an ugly dispute with the Broncos' new head coach, just a few weeks after going to the Pro Bowl for the first time.

"I grew up watching this organization, grew up watching these games,'' Cutler said at a news conference Friday in Chicago. "I love being a Chicago Bear."

Bears fans can hope Cutler will be able to do what Wade did in Chicago.

Named the SEC's Most Valuable Player in 1951 and considered one of the greatest athletes in Nashville history, Wade played for the Bears from 1961-66 after spending seven seasons with the Rams. He had requested the trade to Chicago, and led legendary Coach George Halas' 1963 team to the NFL crown, scoring twice in a 14-10 victory over the Giants.

In the last 50 years the Bears have had only two Pro Bowl quarterbacks — Wade in 1963 and Jim McMahon in 1985. Bears fans adored McMahon, who led the Bears to victory in Super Bowl XX, but injuries and off-field behavior hurt his career.

Wade, who passed for 18,530 yards and 124 scores in his NFL career, is still remembered fondly by long-time Bears fans. And Wade is still fond of the Bears.

"Chicago is a great city to play in, especially for a quarterback,'' Wade said. "If you play well they'll love you. I hope he has a good career. The specialty of it all will be how he plays — it can go one way or the other. I hope he enjoys every minute of it.''

[DMBZeppelin]

Most detailed version I could find of the Turner/Cutler story:


As the story goes--and it's unfolded in the Denver Post, on ESPN.com and in the Post-Tribune in Merrillville, Ind., among other places--Cutler accepted a scholarship to Illinois without having visited the campus. Turner, of course, was the head coach at the time. Cutler's high school football season led straight into basketball season (he was a three-sport star who reportedly had the talent as a switch-hitting shortstop to play professionally) and he didn't get to Champaign, Ill., to check out the campus until the end of December. When he got there, things weren't all "Oskee Wow-Wow.'' Try "what the hell?!?''

"When Jay went for his official visit, the coach told him they were rescinding the offer because they had some hot-shot quarterback from California,'' Burch told Paige.

That hot shot turned out to be Mike Dlugolecki, who quickly transferred away from Illinois to San Diego State where he made his mark, if you can call it that, passing for 2,597 yards with 10 touchdowns and 16 interceptions.

"It's not right,'' Cutler's father, Jack Cutler, told ESPN.com's Pat Forde in an April 24, 2006 column. "I still have a bitter taste in my mouth over that.''

[DMBZeppelin]

I read the other day Cutler reached out to Burress. I just saw this in the Trib.

The package could become sweeter yet for Pace if his buddy from the Rams, free-agent receiver Torry Holt (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/torry-holt-PESPT003321.topic), ends up in Chicago.

"I spoke to Torry," Pace said. "He's just out searching. I'm probably recruiting him in Chicago here. Hopefully it works out."
Cutler, Pace, and Lovie need to call Holt every day.

[DMBZeppelin]

How Cutler-Orton trade went down (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/04/05/trade/index.html)

At about 2:30 p.m. Denver time Thursday, the Broncos gave the Chicago Bears (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/bears) the final terms of what they'd accept in trade for disgruntled quarterback Jay Cutler (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/7760): first- and second-round picks this year, a first-round pick in 2010 and quarterback Kyle Orton (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/7282).

Whoa! Too steep, thought Chicago GM Jerry Angelo, and he asked for a little time to mull it over and talk about it with his people. The Broncos told Angelo: "You've got a half-hour.''

A few things went though Angelo's mind, including the last time he was part of a staff that traded two No. 1s for a player. "We did Keyshawn Johnson (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/3499) for two ones in Tampa Bay, and we really got burned by it,'' he told me Friday night. "But this is a quarterback. Maybe a really good quarterback.''

We really want this guy, Angelo told those on his staff, but the compensation is too much. So he called the Broncos back and offered two ones, Orton and this year's fourth-round pick. Denver GM Brian Xanders and coach Josh McDaniels mulled it over and came back with this compromise: two first-round picks, Orton, and this year's third-round pick for Cutler and Denver's fifth-round pick this year.

Done, Angelo said. Fair deal.

"It was high-stakes poker,'' Angelo said when it was over. "And I couldn't see anyone else's hand.''

In the end, Angelo rebuilt his battered, way-too-conservative GM image and Chicago got a potentially great long-term quarterback. (No other 4,000-yard passer has ever been traded at 25, or even the season after accumulating such a lofty number.) Denver got a better deal than the Broncos had a right to expect after their dissed owner ordered Cutler dealt, losing whatever leverage the team might have had. And Cutler proved he should write the foreword to Drew Rosenhaus' next book -- the one about how a superstar can shoot himself out of town. Cutler got exactly what he wanted, though talking oneself off the best young offense in football is not my idea of a good career decision by a franchise quarterback.

Aside from the late haggling between the Bears and Broncos over the price, I do know some facts that haven't been out there -- I don't think -- yet. The five things I know for sure, from talking to those in the middle of the Cutler trade discussions in the three days since the deal went down:

1. The key to the trade was Kyle Orton. Laugh if you want, but it's the absolute truth. McDaniels looked hard at tape of the available quarterbacks from teams that made serious offers, players like Orton, Washington's Jason Campbell (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/7201) and Tampa Bay's Luke McCown (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6865). Every one of those teams was in the ballpark with an offer of at least two first-round draft picks and a quarterback.

But as the deal went down, McDaniels, who watched every offensive snap of more than 10 Bears games with Orton playing, got more and more impressed with Orton's arm, his decision-making and his ability to extend plays when the pocket broke down. You can think and I can think it's crazy he didn't like Campbell -- who got Washington off to a 6-2 start last year -- more than he liked Orton, but it's the unvarnished truth. McDaniels thinks he can win with Orton.

2. The Bears were sure the deal was collapsing Thursday afternoon, because the Broncos weren't answering phone calls, e-mails or texts. GM Jerry Angelo thought he'd gotten the rug pulled out from underneath him. Angelo hadn't heard from the Broncos for about three hours, and got so nervous by mid-afternoon Chicago time that he sent McDaniels a text message that said, in effect, "We gotta get this done. What's it gonna take for the Bears to win this?''

But the Broncos weren't ignoring Angelo, and they weren't working another team for a better deal. McDaniels told Xanders and the rest of the football people in the building that they weren't stopping business following owner Pat Bowlen's declaration that there was an open market for Cutler. Workouts would continue with McDaniels around; coaches meetings would go on as normal.

And the Broncos had eight players in the building between Tuesday and Friday -- including first-round prospects Brian Orakpo (defensive end, Texas), Knowshon Moreno (running back, Georgia) and Tyson Jackson (defensive end, LSU). McDaniels met with two of the prospects during the middle of the talks for Cutler on Thursday, and he ignored the bleating on his cell phone while those meetings were going on.

Now Angelo can know for sure -- the Broncos were going to make the deal with him unless his final offer was a fraction of those from Washington and Tampa Bay.

3. The Jets were never in it seriously -- true story. New York is either convinced that Brett Ratliff (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/8622) or Kellen Clemens (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/7798) is its guy, or the Jets think the New York spotlight would have been too white-hot for a rabbit-ears guy like Cutler to handle, or they didn't want to pay two first-round picks for Cutler after giving a third for one season of Brett Favre (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/1025). I just know that the Jets never made a remotely serious offer for Cutler, much to my surprise.

4. All you Redskins fans who are so sure youwerethisclose to getting Cutler? Total BS. Yes, Washington was competitive, and the 'Skins would have done whatever it took to get Cutler. But once McDaniels decided Orton was his man -- even though Washington's first-round pick would have been the 13th overall, five slots ahead of Chicago's -- the contest was over. The 'Skins were out of it, even though Cutler and greater Washington were sure it almost happened.

5. In the end, this trade happened so quickly because, first and foremost, the owner of the Broncos felt dissed. And you do not diss Pat Bowlen. Bowlen is 65. He has owned the team for 25 years. In Bowlen's world, there is a protocol to doing business, and part of that protocol is the players and coaches having respect for the owner, regardless of their personal feelings about anyone else in the organization. Imagine Tom Brady (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/5228) ignoring calls from Bob Kraft. It'd never happen. Imagine Dan Rooney getting snubbed by Ben Roethlisberger (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6770), or Peyton Manning (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/4256) ditching Jim Irsay. Never in a million years, regardless of how they felt about what was happening with the team, would it happen.

In all the years Bowlen has owned the team, he has never felt quite the disrespect from a player or coach that he felt from Cutler ignoring his attempts to speak to him to attempt to bridge the problems between player and team. And you should not underestimate how significant this was in Bowlen's Tuesday-night pronouncement that Cutler was being put up on the trading block.

[Tiduwho]

Let's go get Holt please.

[DMBZeppelin]

I was browsing the Suntimes.com like I do everyday hoping I see "BEARS SIGN HOLT!" when I saw Mike North and Dan Jiggets weigh in on the Cutler trade. North is such an idiot that I had to post this. As a result I'll never watch Monster in the Morning, or w/e it's called. I've only seen it once.

Did the Bears do the right thing in trading for Jay Cutler?

Bears nurtured a winner at QB, may regret one who got away

Mike North: Dan, the Bears did the unthinkable. They brought along a quarterback, nurtured him, and after a few years, they let him go.

Jay Cutler threw twice as many passes as Kyle Orton for twice as many yards, but I say, big deal! Cutler needed to win one of three remaining games to get Denver into the playoffs. You will argue he threw for 1,200 yards in his last three games, but I will say he didn’t get it done. The Broncos had no defense or running game, so Cutler had to throw.

Orton had a running game and a better defense. But if that defense holds on for 11 seconds against Atlanta, the Bears go 10-6 and make the playoffs, and Jay Cutler is playing for someone else.

Now, can Cutler play? Sure he can. Will I accept him as our quarterback? Got no problem with that. Besides, I’m a Bears fan, and I’m happy Orton gets a new lease on life. He never was Jerry Angelo’s guy, but he never whined like Cutler did when it was rumored the Broncos might deal with the Patriots for Matt Cassel.

And Orton was a team player. How do you think the Broncos players feel while Cutler is saying he is a team player? He basically left his team hanging. And team owner Pat Bowlen accused him of insubordination for not being classy enough to return phone calls.

That being said, I’m ready to move on and hope this works out for Angelo and the Bears. But Orton is 21-12 as an NFL starter. Cutler is 17-20.

Hopefully the change will do the Bears good. But I hope the Santa Claus, Ind., native understands: He has a lot to prove, and I’m right.
Sad thing is I've heard othe meatheads take this argument. You can't argue a bad defense for Orton, and then say it shoudn't have effected Cutler. How do people like this get on Radio/TV?

The only thing that's been more annoying is stuff I've read in Denver newspapers. About how Elway didn't whine and cry when he was almost traded to the Redskins in 2001, and he had to continue playing for Reeves. Totally ignoring the fact of how he arrived in Denver.

[Tiduwho]

My God Mike North is an idiot.

I used to like his angry rants 5 or 6 years ago when he was on The Wise Guys with Doug Buffone. That was great radio to drive home from back in high school. But he's just a rambling idiot ever since then. And when he tries to be political? Dear God.

[Styx Cover Band]

Found this on The Onion (http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/roster_depleted_bears_sign) and even though it is satire and hilarious it is pretty close to reality for Bears recievers

"CHICAGO—Anticipating that new Bears quarterback Jay Cutler will need more targets than converted cornerback Devin Hester and undersized journeyman Rashied Davis—the only receivers on their squad who have ever caught an NFL pass—the Chicago Bears signed a tire swing to their roster Tuesday. "We are expecting great things from this tire swing once the tire and Cutler get some practice time and develop some chemistry," receivers coach Darryl Drake said of the six-year-old Goodyear all-season radial suspended from a tree branch by a 7-foot length of rope. "This could easily be the best quarterback-receiver duo in recent Bears history." Analysts say that, while the move is somewhat unorthodox, Chicago was prudent in passing on veteran free agents Amani Toomer and Joe Jurevicius in favor of offering the tire swing a 3-year, $2.4 million contract."

[DMBZeppelin]

SEPTEMBER
Sun. 13th - @ Packers - 7:20 PM/NBC
Sun. 20th - V.s. STEELERS - 3:15 PM/CBS
Sun. 27th - @ Seahawks - 3:05M/FOX

OCTOBER
Sun. 4th - V.s LIONS - 12:00 PM/FOX
Sun. 18th - @ Falcons - 7:20 PM/NBC
Sun. 25th - @ Bengals - 12:00 PM/FOX

NOVEMBER
Sun. 1st - V.s. BROWNS - 12:00 PM/CBS
Sun. 8th - V.s. CARDINALS - 12:00 PM/FOX
Thur. 12th - @ 49ers - 7:20 PM/NFLN
*Sun. 22nd - V.s. EAGLES - 7:20 PM/NBC
*Sun. 29th - @ Vikings - 12:00 PM/FOX

DECEMBER
*Sun. 6th - V.s. RAMS - 12:00 PM/FOX
*Sun. 13th - V.s. PACKERS - 12:00 PM/FOX
*Sun. 20th - @ Ravens - 12:00 PM/FOX
Mon. 28h - V.s. Vikings - 7:30 PM/ESPN

JANUARY
*Sun. 3rd - @ Lions - 12:00 PM/FOX

*Start time may shift due to NFL flexible scheduling

[DMBZeppelin]

Primetime players: The Bears are scheduled to make five appearances on primetime television during the 2009 regular season after going 4-1 in 2008 on NBC’s Sunday Night Football (2-1), ESPN’s Monday Night Football (1-0) and NFL Network’s Thursday Night Football (1-0). The Bears open the regular season on Sunday Night Football for the second straight year when they take on the Packers. Chicago will make two other appearances on Sunday Night Football in Week 6 (at Atlanta) and Week 11 (vs. Philadelphia). The Bears will appear on NFL Network for the third straight season when they travel to San Francisco in Week 10 on Thursday Night Football. Chicago’s lone Monday Night Football appearance will be during Week 16 when the Bears host the Minnesota Vikings

Just so people know. We'll for sure have 4 national games. The week 12 matchup against the Vikings can be moved to an earlier time.

Though I could see the Packers or Ravens game in December getting moved to Sunday Night Football if those games matter.

[funksoul]

I was just thinkibg about how great it's going to be on Saturday when it's gorgeous outside and I don't find myself overly concerned about what's going on in the draft. I'll get some Blackberry updates from the beach on the overall outcome and be quite happy knowing that the Bears have already done more than I could have imagined. Thank you Jerry Angelo!!

[DMBZeppelin]

Edit: Wrong thread

[DMBZeppelin]

The price on Boldin has dropped to a 2nd rounder and "other considerations"

Do it. Offer 2nd, 4th, and a player if need be. Sure we give away a draft. Boldin, Hester, and Bennett I could see working really well together.

[DMBZeppelin]

Source: New interest in Cards' Boldin (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4096399)

The Arizona Cardinals continued to entertain offers for Anquan Boldin on Friday, with the Baltimore Ravens and Philadelphia Eagles showing serious interest in the disgruntled receiver, an NFL source told ESPN's Pedro Gomez.

The Cardinals were willing to take offers for less than originally thought for Boldin, two sources told ESPN's Sal Paolantonio. Boldin could be had for a second-round pick and other considerations, rather than the first- and third-round pick originally projected, the sources said.

The Cardinals have also fielded calls from the New York Jets and New York Giants, the sources told Paolantonio.

The Cardinals and Tennessee Titans denied a previously reported offer had been accepted or made.

"I'll just say the reports today are erroneous," Graves told The Associated Press late Friday. "We have not received any offers today with respect of Anquan."

But Graves told Gomez the Cardinals, who have the 31st pick in Saturday's draft, are willing to listen to any offers and have never asked for anything or made "trade demands."

"Our position is still the same," Graves said, according to the AP. "That is we expect at some point we're going to sit down with him and talk with him about an extension."

Despite possible movement in trade talks, teammate and fellow receiver Larry Fitzgerald said Friday he thought Boldin would like to stay with the Cardinals.

"I don't think he really wants to go," Fitzgerald said, according to The Associated Press. "He's been out there six years. His family is comfortable; his son is in school. There's a lot of things that I think will be conducive for him to stay.

"But this is a business. You never know what's going to happen."

Graves and coach Ken Whisenhunt had repeatedly emphasized at the team's pre-draft news conference Tuesday that they would be happy to keep Boldin and eventually try to sign him to a new contract.

"Quite a few teams have called but we have no offers from those teams," Graves said Tuesday. "Anything can evolve from this point through draft day so that's where it is right now."

Boldin expressed extreme displeasure with his contract in last season's training camp, accusing Cardinals management of failing to follow through on a promise of a new deal and vowing never to re-sign with Arizona.

Still, he went on to have his third Pro Bowl season in six years in the NFL as the Cardinals advanced to the Super Bowl.

"I didn't say a trade was necessary," Boldin said last week. "I just want something to get resolved. It's something that's gone on long enough."

Boldin has two years remaining on a four-year, $22.25 million contract. He earned $4 million last season.

By comparison, Fitzgerald is in the second season of a four-year, $40 million deal, with $30 million guaranteed. Fitzgerald and quarterback Kurt Warner have said they would be open to altering their contracts in order to keep Boldin.

"He was a big part of what we were able to do last year," said Fitzgerald, who was participating in an event promoting the "Madden NFL" video game. "He's helped me out tremendously. I hope he's with us for the rest of his career."

[DMBZeppelin]

Chicago Bears must pursue Anquan Boldin -- now (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-25-haugh-bears-boldin-apr25,0,1916945.column)
Arizona Cardinal reportedly receiver available for 2nd-round pick


Before picking up the phone to dial the number of whatever player the Bears have agreed to take with the 49th selection of Saturday's NFL draft, Jerry Angelo has a more important call to make.

If it's not too late, the Bears general manager has to communicate with Arizona Cardinals GM Rod Graves to see if he wants that second-round pick as part of a package including a starting-caliber player for wide receiver Anquan Boldin.

The worst Graves can say is no, which is what he reiterated Friday in refuting an ESPN report the Cardinals had lowered their asking price for Boldin to a second-round choice and "other considerations."

"None of that is true," Graves told the Arizona Republic. "We've never said what we were looking for. All we've said is we're willing to listen and certainly would consider something of commensurate value."

What the Cardinals say and do appear to be two different things. Arizona seriously was considering an offer Friday night for Boldin from Tennessee that included a second-round pick and a player-to-be-named, according to ESPN.com. Talks had progressed enough that the Titans reportedly received permission to negotiate with Boldin's agent, Drew Rosenhaus.

Suddenly, this NFL draft just got a lot more interesting in Chicago.

The Bears figure to get at least one player out of what is a deep group of wide receivers -- wide receivers such as Georgia's Mohamed Massaquoi -- who they hope one day will be as good and explosive as Boldin. There should have been no debate Friday night at Halas Hall about whether to pursue Boldin, other than wondering if texting or calling would be the best way to reach out to Graves.

Remember, the Bears can't say anything publicly about their interest in a player under contract with another team -- and Boldin has two years and $5.75 million remaining on his deal in Arizona.

So don't necessarily confuse Friday's silence out of Halas Hall regarding any interest in the Boldin developments as indifference. Rules simply prohibit them from indicating how excited they may or may not be about the possibility of adding one of the NFL's best receivers after the catch and having him run routes for Jay Cutler.

It's similar to the way the Cutler saga unfolded. The Bears said nothing publicly about the possibility of bringing Cutler to Chicago but that silence -- a statement would squelch any speculation -- was telling.

Believe this: The Bears didn't have the ammunition in the way of first-round draft picks to consider making a run at Boldin before but if the price is changed, so likely has Angelo's interest level. The boldness Angelo showed in the Cutler deal should illustrate how quickly he has adapted to this Let's-Make-A-Deal off-season in the NFL.

Besides the Titans, it is believed the Eagles and Jets also have strong interest in Boldin, who is 29. One league source warned not to count out the Ravens. A bigger hang-up with whatever team gets involved could be money.

Boldin and Rosenhaus likely would want a new deal immediately or assurances one would be signed before training camp. A $9 million-per-year average is what Boldin is rumored to be seeking in his next contract.

Salary-cap space wouldn't be the issue for the Bears, who have ample room for the type of deal Boldin seeks. Cash available could be, and it's impossible to know how much the Bears have or would have to dole out in bonuses to Boldin.

Chances are remote, yes, given the Titans' aggressiveness. But if Boldin has not been traded by the time the Bears are on the clock sometime around 8 p.m. Saturday, then Angelo needs to make Graves a better offer than any he has heard.

Sure, trading away first- and second-round picks for a proven quarterback and wide receiver would force the Bears to stop thinking of themselves as a draft-driven team. But if Boldin joins Cutler in the Bears huddle, nobody will care about labels.

[DMBZeppelin]

Our 2nd round pick is much higher then the Titans. I wonder what else they were offering. I think we could beat their offer.

[Garrettnettz]

I've heard urlacher is in the offer that they would put together. Then move briggs to the mlb position. I hateeee all the speculation its so annoying. But itd be something I'd love to see them do! Not necessarily trading 54 but trading for boldin.

[DMBZeppelin]

I've heard urlacher is in the offer that they would put together. Then move briggs to the mlb position. I hateeee all the speculation its so annoying. But itd be something I'd love to see them do! Not necessarily trading 54 but trading for boldin.
Why would they move Briggs? The MLB is not important in the Cover 2.

For this defense to work you need an pro bowl: DT, WLB, and S

Harris is suppose to be the Sapp, Briggs the Brooks, and we don't have the safety. Why do you think when Mike Brown was healthy we were so much better? Because he plays at a pro bowl level when 100% and is important to this defensive scheme.

Hillenmeyer has been successful in this defense as the MLB when Urlacher was hurt in 04'. The reason being that he can drop into coverage. Which is whart you need from your MLB in this system.

[DMBZeppelin]

I've heard urlacher is in the offer that they would put together. Then move briggs to the mlb position. I hateeee all the speculation its so annoying. But itd be something I'd love to see them do! Not necessarily trading 54 but trading for boldin.

Where did you read about this offer?

[devilandthelord]

Sorry if this is old news, but I heard on ESPN earlier of the Bears possibly trading Devin Hester and their second rounder in this year's draft for Boldin.
Which, if the Cards are actually interested, I would do in a second if I'm Da Bears.

Bearssss.
Bullssss.
Polish Sausage.
Ditka.
Bearsss.

[DMBZeppelin]

Sorry if this is old news, but I heard on ESPN earlier of the Bears possibly trading Devin Hester and their second rounder in this year's draft for Boldin.
Which, if the Cards are actually interested, I would do in a second if I'm Da Bears.

Bearssss.
Bullssss.
Polish Sausage.
Ditka.
Bearsss.
That would be an AWESOME trade. Link though? I've been on ESPN and haven't seen the Bears even mentioned as involved. I'd love for this stuff to be true.

[devilandthelord]

That would be an AWESOME trade. Link though? I've been on ESPN and haven't seen the Bears even mentioned as involved. I'd love for this stuff to be true.

It would be awesome.
But I don't have a link, I just saw it on TV a few hours ago.
I don't know how serious it was, but would be a great trade for Da Bears.

[Tiduwho]

David Haugh was just saying two weeks ago that the Bears shouldn't even bother with Boldin. Now the price drops, but that doesn't mean almost any other team couldn't outbid us.

[devilandthelord]

David Haugh was just saying two weeks ago that the Bears shouldn't even bother with Boldin. Now the price drops, but that doesn't mean almost any other team couldn't outbid us.

Well probably.
Thats the thing. After the Cutler trade, I don't think we would measure up to what at least what several other teams could offer for Boldin.
It was still worth it, but I don't think we have enough to bid for Boldin.
Would be sweet though if they somehow pulled it off.

Can you imagine Cutler to Boldin? OMG.

[DMBZeppelin]

David Haugh was just saying two weeks ago that the Bears shouldn't even bother with Boldin. Now the price drops, but that doesn't mean almost any other team couldn't outbid us.
I know anyone could outbid us, but no one was biting on the higher asking price. If you read the story I posted. The Titans got serious with the Cards.

Bears have a higher 2nd rounder then Tennessee. Bears should at least look into it.

[devilandthelord]

I know anyone could outbid us, but no one was biting on the higher asking price. If you read the story I posted. The Titans got serious with the Cards.

Bears have a higher 2nd rounder then Tennessee. Bears should at least look into it.

Titans are probably pretty serious after not getting Torry Holt after looking like they would at first.
No matter who their QB is they need somebody better to throw to at WR as bad as we do.

Edit: Zep, you on facebook?
If so, why can't we be friends?

[BotheDMBFan]

If Bears get Boldin...rename the field after Angelo.

[DMBZeppelin]

Edit: Zep, you on facebook?
If so, why can't we be friends?
Search for: Zach Withers

If Bears get Boldin...rename the field after Angelo.
This is probably true.

[BotheDMBFan]

My deal...

Bears trade 2nd round pick and Nathan Vasher for BOldin.

[kittensXLI]

My deal...

Bears trade 2nd round pick and Nathan Vasher for BOldin.
That would be the dumbest deal ever for Arizona. Never, ever going to happen.

[DMBZeppelin]

My deal...

Bears trade 2nd round pick and Nathan Vasher for BOldin.
The Bears would love it because they clear up money, but the Cards don't need CB help. It's one of their deepest positions. Though they didn't become a historically bad franchise by making good moves.... maybe you're on to something.

[BotheDMBFan]

That would be the dumbest deal ever for Arizona. Never, ever going to happen.

Yes, it would be an incredibly dumb deal for Arizona. So is getting rid of Boldin in the first place.

[BotheDMBFan]

The Bears would love it because they clear up money, but the Cards don't need CB help. It's one of their deepest positions. Though they didn't become a historically bad franchise by making good moves.... maybe you're on to something.

Essactly.

[DMBZeppelin]

Dan Hampton loves Jay Cutler. Apparently before he got here and has for years. Thinks he'll be the best QB in the NFL over the next 10 years.

Hub on the Score backed up his claim. They've worked for PFW over the years, and he said he only other QB Hamp has ever been that high on is Carson Palmer. Who obviously when healthy was a special QB.

Not a big deal, but nice to hear from former Bear greats.

[DMBZeppelin]

Ok so tomorrow we have.

3rd Round:
4th pick (68 overall)
35th pick (99 overall) NOT TRADEABLE

4th Round:
5th pick (105 overall)
19th pick (119 overall)

5th Round:
4th pick (140 overall)
18th pick (154 overall)

6th Round:
17th pick (190 overall)

7th Round:
37th pick (246 overall) NOT TRADEABLE
42nd pick (251 overall) NOT TRADEABLE

[UCFish]

Did we trade down today.

I thought we had a 2nd round pick.

[DMBZeppelin]

Did we trade down today.

I thought we had a 2nd round pick.
yes we traded out of the 2nd round because all the good receivers were gone.

[UCFish]

ok thanks for the info.

[devilandthelord]

So Boldin is still a Cardinal, right?
I say offer the Cardinals next year's #1 and Hester.

[kittensXLI]

No thanks, we don't want that trash you call Devin Hester.

[devilandthelord]

No thanks, we don't want that trash you call Devin Hester.

We who mafakka?
You're a Steelers fan!

[kittensXLI]

Who am I? I'm the unsilent majority, bigmouth.

[DMBZeppelin]

Here's how Scouts Inc. graded out the receivers. The only one graded out higher then the ones taken is Williams over Robiskie.

Grade/Info
96 - Michael Crabtree WR 6'1⅜" 215 Texas Tech
95 - Jeremy Maclin WR 6'0⅛" 198 Missouri
91 - Hakeem Nicks WR 6'0¾" 212 North Carolina
90 - Darrius Heyward-Bey WR 6'0⅝" 210 Maryland
89 - Percy Harvin WR 5'11⅛" 192 Florida
88 - Kenny Britt WR 6'2⅞" 218 Rutgers
83 - Mohamed Massaquoi WR 6'1½" 210 Georgia
79 - Pat White WR 6'0¼" 197 West Virginia
77 - Brian Robiskie WR 6'2⅞" 209 Ohio State

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78 - Derrick Williams WR 5'11½" 194 Penn State
73 - Brandon Tate WR 5'11⅞" 183 North Carolina
71 - Mike Thomas WR 5'7⅞" 195 Arizona
68 - Louis Murphy WR 6'2⅜" 203 Florida
66 - Juaquin Iglesias WR 6'0⅞" 210 Oklahoma
65 - Johnny Knox WR 5'11½" 185 Abilene Christian
63 - Ramses Barden WR 6'6" 229 Cal Poly
62 - Deon Butler WR 5'10⅜" 182 Penn State
60 - Austin Collie WR 6'0⅞" 200 Brigham Young
59 - Brooks Foster WR 6'0½" 211 North Carolina
58 - Mike Wallace WR 6'0⅜" 199 Mississippi
56 - Demetrius Byrd WR 6'0¼" 199 LSU
54 - Kenny McKinley WR 6'0⅜" 189 South Carolina
53 - Jarett Dillard WR 5'10¼" 191 Rice
51 - Sammie Stroughter WR 5'9⅜" 189 Oregon State
50 - Brandon Gibson WR 6'0⅜" 210 Washington State
49 - Quan Cosby WR 5'8⅝" 196 Texas
48 - Kevin Ogletree WR 6'0½" 196 Virginia
46 - Tiquan Underwood WR 6'1⅛" 184 Rutgers
45 - Andrew Means WR 6'0⅝" 214 Indiana
43 - Quinten Lawrence WR 5'11⅝" 184 McNeese State
42 - Darius Passmore WR 6'0⅜" 188 Marshall

90-100 Rare Prospect Player demonstrates rare abilities and can create mismatches that have an obvious impact on the game. Is a premier college player that has all the skill to take over a game and play at a championship level. He rates in the top 5 players in the nation at his position and is considered a first round draft prospect.

80-89 Outstanding Prospect Player has abilities to create mismatches versus most opponents in the NFL. A feature player that has an impact on the outcome of the game. Cannot be shut down by a single player and plays on a consistent level week in and week out. He rates in the top 10 at his position and is considered a second round draft prospect.

70-79 Solid Prospect Still a standout player at the college level that is close to being an elite player. He has no glaring weaknesses and will usually win his individual matchups, but does not dominate in every game, especially when matched up against the top players in the country. He will usually rate in the top third of players at his position and is considered a third round draft prospect.

60-69 Good Prospect This player is an good starter that will give a solid effort week in and week out, but he is overmatched versus the better players in the nation. His weaknesses will be exposed against top competition. He is usually a prospect that is missing something from his game. For example, he has the size and skills to be an outstanding prospect, but lacks the speed. He will usually rate in the top half of the players at his position and is considered a middle round draft choice.

50-59 Adequate Prospect These are usually players that play at a high level in college, but lack some measurables or skills to play at that same level in the NFL. He may be a player that has a lot of developmental qualities, or could be a player that will contribute right away on special teams or in a situational capacity. He will usually rate in the second-third at his position and is considered a fifth round draft choice.

21-49 Borderline Draft Prospect These are players that teams like something about, but certainly do not have the full package in terms of NFL talent. A lot of times, teams will take chances on character players or developmental type athletes with this grade. And often, these are players that come from smaller schools or did not standout at the college level. NFL teams are looking for 'diamonds in the rough' with this type of prospect. He will usually rate in the bottom third of players at his position and will be considered a late round draft choice or un-drafted free agent.

20 Free Agent Prospect These are players that did not make our original 'evaluation list' but are prospects that need to be monitored. Especially in the pre-season, these players will fluctuate up and down depending on performance in their final year of eligibility.

10 Not a legitimate Prospect These are players that lack NFL measurables and/or skills. They are players that we feel would not even make a solid contribution as a training camp body.

[DMBZeppelin]

I really wouldn't mind Louis Murphy. I'm not big on Williams.

[DMBZeppelin]

Angelo revealed that the prospects the Bears were interested in drafting at No. 49 included Ohio State receiver Brian Robiskie, Oregon cornerback Jairus Byrd and an unidentified pass rusher.

Robiskie was chosen by the Browns at No. 36; and Byrd, the son of Bears defensive assistant Gill Byrd, went to the Bills at No. 42.

“There were a couple of receivers, not just Robiskie, that we felt could possibly be there,” Angelo said. “We liked them all and we would have pulled the trigger had they been there. But they went and we didn’t want to manufacture a receiver for the need sake.

[DMBZeppelin]

NFL.com has some highlight vid of receiver prospects. Including the guy I like in Murphy.

Derrick Williams: Highlights (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f884b4)
Louis Murphy: Highlights (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f887f8)
Juaquin Iglesias: Highlights (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f88578)
Patrick Turner: Highlights (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f88676)

[JTRocks]

well, apparently the bears didnt trade that 49th pick solely because there were no receivers left. they tried to trade the 49th pick for boldin but it didnt work out i guess. But i just found this story about how the bears were going to pick that safety michael mitchell from ohio (not ohio state). But the raiders ended up picking this guy at the 47th pick and he wasnt even projected to go until the later rounds. you can barely even find info on this player on any of the draft sites. I almost wish we could have gotten this guy now because it just fits angelo and lovies style to just confuse us with some random prospect that we've never heard of/

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/raiders/detail?&entry_id=39117


looks like were about to pick in the next 10 or 15 minutes. i hope we take chip vaughn the safety from wake forest

[JTRocks]

oh yeah, and rhett bomar is still on the board. i was a lot more intersted before we had cutler, but i think he might end up being the best qb picked in this entire draft, and for sure the best one picked today

[JTRocks]

we got this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXDSPbZ_OUw

[BotheDMBFan]

What the fuck? We were trying to get the guy from Ohio too?

[Tiduwho]

Well, that is a definite backup need going forward. A defensive end. Because let's face it, Alex Brown and Ogunleye are both starting to age (Ogun more so), and Mark Anderson is never going to be anything but a pass rusher on 3rd down.

[kittensXLI]

I hate you all and the Bears organization.

[BotheDMBFan]

Jim knows this guy is going to be the shit.

[Tiduwho]

I hate you all and the Bears organization.

Hey man, I'm tellin ya. Why worry about getting Gilbert or Brown when you can have both?


He's just sitting out there at his house.

http://www.gilbertbrown93.com/

[BotheDMBFan]

Dude, he's in the Green Bay Packers hall of fame; and probably on those teams that beat the ever-loving shit out of Da BEars for 10 straight years.

[Tiduwho]

Why the hell did the Bears draft another DE? Let alone one that also played running back, and can't rush the passer? :confused


Henry Melton, wtf?

[DMBZeppelin]

Well, that is a definite backup need going forward. A defensive end. Because let's face it, Alex Brown and Ogunleye are both starting to age (Ogun more so), and Mark Anderson is never going to be anything but a pass rusher on 3rd down.
Not to mention Anderson and Ogunleye are in their contracts final year. I think we try to re-sign Anderson if this guy is legit. Let Ogunleye walk.

[DMBZeppelin]

For the record I wish we had gotten Murphy. Even though we didn't why did we draft Iglesias. I just don't see him having the NFL tools. I hope I'm wrong, and he's an awesome possesion receiver for us.

[DMBZeppelin]

Knox scouting report reads to me like he's a shorter Berrian.

[DMBZeppelin]

I can't find a scouting report on the safety we just took.

[DMBZeppelin]

Is Nate Davis still available? I'd take him in the 7th.

[DMBZeppelin]

Well Davis went in the 5th. Lets get Drew Willy.

We don't know if Hanie can be an NFL backup. Willy has the tools, but like Hanie he's a sort of a project. I just don't want that Basanez kid as the third string.

[DMBZeppelin]

Lance Louis TE... we don't need another one. Unless they plan to move him to guard or something. Wasn't that LT that got traded from the Bills to Eagles, who's really good, a TE in college?

[DMBZeppelin]

:lol The Bears almost used almost the full 5 minutes for their compensation pick in the 7th round (which can't be traded). When it got uner a minute they got booed.

Derek Kinder WR out of Pittsburgh... hmmmm. Anyone know about this kid?

[DMBZeppelin]

Mel Keiper said injuries hurt Kinder's stock in college. Some teams thought he might have been an early round draft pick at one point while he was in college. Even going into the draft some thought rounds 5 or 6. So getting him here was an ok deal then.

[DMBZeppelin]

I just noticed our CB we drafted in the 5th, D.J. Moore, is from Vanderbilt.

[Tiduwho]

I just noticed our CB we drafted in the 5th, D.J. Moore, is from Vanderbilt.

Yeah, people are proclaiming us the "VanderBears" on the ESPN boards.

[ProudestAnt]

You guys got a great kid in Kinder. I threw to him for 3 years in high school and he made my job as QB so much easier. He's big, physical, catches anything that comes his way. If he hadn't blown out his ACL 2 seasons ago, he would have been a first day pick...

[Tiduwho]

You guys got a great kid in Kinder. I threw to him for 3 years in high school and he made my job as QB so much easier. He's big, physical, catches anything that comes his way. If he hadn't blown out his ACL 2 seasons ago, he would have been a first day pick...

Wow, that's pretty cool man. I'm pretty sure both Booker and Brandon Lloyd are gone, so that's more room on the roster.

[DMBZeppelin]

Kinder 80 yard TD, check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAxaM5AM8Qg&fmt=18

[kittensXLI]

I just noticed you had 10 straight posts in a row.

[DMBZeppelin]

You guys got a great kid in Kinder. I threw to him for 3 years in high school and he made my job as QB so much easier. He's big, physical, catches anything that comes his way. If he hadn't blown out his ACL 2 seasons ago, he would have been a first day pick...
Ya Keiper said something like that. Did he not get his explosiveness back or something? I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do. That's awesome you threw to him in high school.

[Tiduwho]

I just noticed you had 10 straight posts in a row.

I had 25 in the Cubs thread once.

[DMBZeppelin]

I just noticed you had 10 straight posts in a row.
*flexes posting muscle* Ya a 10 spot here and there is no biggie. I think I'm gonna go for 20 eventually.

Though honestly I had no idea till you said that.

[UCFish]

I had 25 in the Cubs thread once.

That was like 5 days ago. :lol

[ProudestAnt]

Ya Keiper said something like that. Did he not get his explosiveness back or something? I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do. That's awesome you threw to him in high school.
That's exactly the kind of kid you're getting. He's not going to give up on a play, he's not going to run out of bounds, and he's not going to get tackled by his shoe-strings. I can't tell you how many curls, short ins and quick outs I threw to him that he turned into TDs by breaking tackles or outrunning kids. The main problem with Kinder was once he got hurt and Palko left, Pitt went to a mainly rushing offense with LeSean McCoy. As far as I've heard from talking to his brother and parents, he's back to 100% and even read that he was the top performer at Pitt's pro day with a solid 40, great vertical and was catching everything that came his way, which is how he is anyway. 6'1" is definitely correct as he's as tall as I am, but I think he's a smidge bigger than 210...

[DMBZeppelin]

73 yard punt return by Kinder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV3g2Z-0ExA&fmt=18

Doesn't look like the fastest guy, but he doesn't have to be.

[DMBZeppelin]

That's exactly the kind of kid you're getting. He's not going to give up on a play, he's not going to run out of bounds, and he's not going to get tackled by his shoe-strings. I can't tell you how many curls, short ins and quick outs I threw to him that he turned into TDs by breaking tackles or outrunning kids. The main problem with Kinder was once he got hurt and Palko left, Pitt went to a mainly rushing offense with LeSean McCoy. As far as I've heard from talking to his brother and parents, he's back to 100% and even read that he was the top performer at Pitt's pro day with a solid 40, great vertical and was catching everything that came his way, which is how he is anyway. 6'1" is definitely correct as he's as tall as I am, but I think he's a smidge bigger than 210...
If possible you should let us know how his family/he feels about the Bears. Personally I think it's a GREAT situation for him.

He gets to play on an offense that buffed up it's line, got an elite QB, has a young star at running back, and no established receivers. So he'll get every chance to prove himself. It's not like Cutler has a go to guy here. Bennett might be, but they haven't played together in years. So I mean all these receivers will get a chance to play IMO.

[ProudestAnt]

That was Darrelle Revis that returned that punt. Kinder threw that first block to spring him...

[ProudestAnt]

If possible you should let us know how his family/he feels about the Bears. Personally I think it's a GREAT situation for him.

He gets to play on an offense that buffed up it's line, got an elite QB, has a young star at running back, and no established receivers. So he'll get every chance to prove himself. It's not like Cutler has a go to guy here. Bennett might be, but they haven't played together in years. So I mean all these receivers will get a chance to play IMO.
He's been talking about the Bears since Pitt's pro-day. They told him they were very interested in him. He knows it's a place where he can compete for a spot on the field, which is obviously what he wants. It's the best place for him...

[DMBZeppelin]

That was Darrelle Revis that returned that punt. Kinder threw that first block to spring him...
:lol The Bears offical website linked it. I watched it and didn't even pay attention. I didn't know why they'd be showing it otherwise. Fail on my part.

[ProudestAnt]

:lol The Bears offical website linked it. I watched it and didn't even pay attention. I didn't know why they'd be showing it otherwise. Fail on my part.
It really shows the kind of kid he is though. If you watch the block, he puts his head down and levels that kid. He's able to contribute in a number of ways. That block shows one...

[ProudestAnt]

Couple more great plays you guys have to look forward to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWVxNRMkMI4&feature=PlayList&p=E52F10C9991EAECA&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=16

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDTuR3cfSQA&feature=PlayList&p=E52F10C9991EAECA&index=18

[BotheDMBFan]

DJ Moore was our best pick today; Kinder may be my favorite.

[JTRocks]

DJ Moore was our best pick today; Kinder may be my favorite.

yeah, i have one of those draft magazines that came out before the combine and it had him ranked as the 3rd best corner.

mel kiper said on espn today that the d-lineman we got from san jose st was the steal of the draft. and i just heard todd mcshay on torico and vanpelt saying the bears had one of the best drafts

[DMBZeppelin]

The Bears began the day with three players at the top of their list, and they held the fourth pick at No. 68, acquired from Seattle on Saturday in the trade for the No. 49 pick. Iowa cornerback Bradley Fletcher and Purdue defensive tackle Alex Magee were on that list, and it's believed the Bears wanted Magee, an Oswego native who went one pick earlier to Kansas City. A Chiefs source said they knew the Bears were zeroing in on Magee and took him because he is a fit in their new scheme.

Then, according to general manager Jerry Angelo, the draft began to fall the Bears' way. They got Oklahoma wide receiver Juaquin Iglesias at the end of the third round, and he's expected to be more game-ready than Earl Bennett was last season.

Vanderbilt cornerback D.J. Moore was a value pick in the fourth round, and the Bears were surprised to see speedy Abilene Christian wide receiver Johnny Knox on the board in the fifth round. They said the same thing about Ohio State linebacker Marcus Freeman, a fifth-round choice who Angelo said could have gone in the second or third if he came out last year.
Damn those Chiefs.

[DMBZeppelin]

Mel Kiper:
Chicago Bears (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=chi): GRADE: B

I think Jarron Gilbert (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24740) is one of the steals of the draft. Wide receiver Juaquin Iglesias (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=23988) was a good pick, as were cornerback D.J. Moore and wide receiver Johnny Knox (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24182). Seventh-round pick Derek Kinder (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24611) could turn out to be quite a sleeper if he's able to return to his strong level of play before his injury a couple of years ago.

Todd McShay:

Chicago Bears (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=chi)

2009 draft class (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/team?team=chi&draftyear=2009)
Best pick: CB D.J. Moore (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24696), Vanderbilt (fourth round, No. 119)
Worst pick: WR Juaquin Iglesias (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=23988), Oklahoma (third round, No. 99 overall)
Bottom line: The Bears' biggest need was finding weapons for new QB Jay Cutler, and they failed to accomplish that goal. Iglesias is, at best, a possession receiver and Johnny Knox (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24182) will probably max out as a receiver in sub packages who would contribute on special teams. On the positive side, the Bears hit homers on DT Jarron Gilbert (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24740) and Moore.

Pete Prisco (CBSSports)
Grade: A
They get that if you count Cutler, which I do.

Best pick: It's not a draft pick, but trading their first-round pick to get quarterback Jay Cutler is the move of the year.
Questionable move: Trading out of the second round. They had no picks on the first day. Wow.
Second-day gem: I love third-round pick Juaquin Iglesias. He will be a factor as a slot receiver for Cutler.

Rob Rang (NFLDraftScout.com)
Chicago Bears (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/page/CHI): B

With the trade for franchise quarterback Jay Cutler, the Bears could have taken a pass on this entire draft and still earned a passing grade. As it stands, the Bears did a fine job, adding versatile defenders Jarron Gilbert, D.J. Moore and Marcus Freeman, among others. The Bears also added plenty of receivers to take advantage of Cutler's great arm. The decision not to fortify their offensive line and instead rely on Orlando Pace remaining healthy could be a gamble Chicago ultimately loses.

Clark Judge (CBSSports)
Ten biggest winners

9. Chicago GM Jerry Angelo. He took the first day off after trading away a second-round choice, but he went back to work Sunday and produced results. Getting defensive tackle Jarron Gilbert at the top of the third round was a steal. Getting Joaquin Iglesias at the bottom was another bargain. But maybe his best move was acquiring defensive end Henry Melton in the fourth round. A former running back, he was one of the few defensive ends in this draft with size and speed.

Five second-day moves I like

3. Jarron Gilbert and Joaquin Iglesias to Chicago in the third round. Both could've -- maybe should have -- gone a round higher. The Bears waited and walked off with second-day bargains.

[kittensXLI]

Pete Prisco is arguably the biggest moron out of most sports reporters on major websites.

[DMBZeppelin]

Pete Prisco is arguably the biggest moron out of most sports reporters on major websites.
:thumbsup Agreed.

[DMBZeppelin]

Bennett switches his jersey number, Hester remains 23

LAKE FOREST, Ill. – A Bears wide receiver has changed his uniform number, but it isn’t Devin Hester.

As he prepares for his second NFL season, Earl Bennett has traded in the No. 85 he wore as a rookie for No. 80. He wanted No. 10, the number he wore at Vanderbilt, but the NFL prohibits receivers who have a number in the 80s from switching to a number from 10 through 19.

“It wasn’t anything specific,” Bennett said. “I just wanted to change my number. I feel like ‘80’ fits me a little bit better. I think it’s in my character. I didn’t really think ‘85’ really fit it.

“Number 80 has so much tradition behind it with Jerry Rice and Cris Carter and those guys, and hopefully I can become one of those guys and be a legend like they were.”

Prior to Bennett, the last four Bears players to wear No. 85 were tight ends: Keith Jennings (1991-97), Alonzo Mayes (1998-2000), Kaseem Sinceno (2000) and John Gilmore (2002-07).

The last four Bears to wear No. 80 were speedy wide receivers: Curtis Conway (1993-99), Dez White (2000-03), Bernard Berrian (2004-07) and Brandon Lloyd (2008).

Wide receiver Bo Rather wore No. 80 from 1974-78 because the number looked like his first name.

Hester, meanwhile, will remain No. 23. While the NFL requires wide receivers to wear numbers 10-19 and 80-89, the league ruled that Hester doesn’t have to switch because No. 23 is an eligible number that will allow him to play receiver without reporting to the referee.

The Bears also assigned uniform numbers to their nine draft picks and nine undrafted free agents.

The draftees will wear the following numbers, though some likely will change before the regular season: DL Jarron Gilbert (73), WR Juaquin Iglesias (17), DE Henry Melton (69), CB D.J. Moore (30), WR Johnny Knox (13), LB Marcus Freeman (58), S Al Afalava (46), G Lance Louis (60) and WR Derek Kinder (83).

Undrafted free agents will wear the following numbers: FB Will Ta’ufo’ou (45o), S Dahna Deleston (45d), CB Woodny Turenne (47), RB Tyrell Fenroy (48), LB Mike Rivera (59), G Johan Asiata (62o), LB Kevin Malast (62d), G Dennis Conley (70) and WR Eric Peterman (86).

The draft picks and undrafted free agents are slated to arrive at Halas Hall on Thursday and practice Friday, Saturday and Sunday as part of the Bears' rookie minicamp.

[DMBZeppelin]

Basically there's no way in hell Hester should be wearing #23. The only reason they are letting him do it is for money purposes. You think Reebok and other NFL partners who make jerseys. Want to print up a bunch of new Hester jerseys? The NFL knows it's popular.

[JTRocks]

yeah ive always wondered how hester could keep wearing number 23. but it totally is a marketing thing. Does anyone here have a cutler jersey yet? I'm probly gonna get one in the next few weeks

[ProudestAnt]

I just noticed that you guys were coming to The Ralph for a preseason game. So glad I'll get to see my boy Derek play some professional football...

[kittensXLI]

That's stupid Bennett can't get 10-19. Plaxico went to 17 when he signed with New York, but I guess since that number change was after he signed with a new team, it's okay. It's also stupid Hester isn't changing his number. Not only should he be forced to get rid of 23, but the fact Bennett can't get a legit number for his position but Hester can keep his completely counters itself.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

LET'S GO BULLS!

They better effin win tonight. This is such an exciting series. I just wish the refs weren't so blind.

[kittensXLI]

Really Lloyd?

[Tiduwho]

LET'S GO BULLS!

They better effin win tonight. This is such an exciting series. I just wish the refs weren't so blind.

http://antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=217841&page=23

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

http://antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=217841&page=23

hahahahaha.

I must be blind. I coulda swore this was the Da Bulls thread. SHUT UP! It's my birthday I can post where I want.

[DMBZeppelin]

Listening to Boers and Bernstein today. They were doing Chicago sports trivia. Bill Wade has the most 300+ yard passing games for a Bears QB with 9. Just to put that in perspective. Cutler had 8 last season. So much like I did when Hester was around. I'm doing the Jay Cutler record watch. I'll look into all of the Bears QB franchise season/career records. Should be a pretty laughable list for Cutler to destroy.

[DMBZeppelin]

Looking at a story on Bears.com they listed all the undrafted FA's we signed, and the people we're bringing in for a tryout this weekend. Anyone see somebody good?

9 Undrafted Free Agents
G, Johan Asiata (UNLV)
G, Dennis Conley (Hampton)
S, Dahna Deleston (Connecticut)
RB, Tyrell Fenroy (Louisiana-Lafayette)
LB, Kevin Malast (Rutgers)
WR, Eric Peterman (Northwestern)
LB, Mike Rivera (Kansas)
FB, Will Ta’ufo’ou (California)
CB, Woodny Turenne (Louisville)

25 Tryout Players
QB, C.J. Bacher (Northwestern)
QB, Chase Patton (Missouri)
QB, Drew Weatherford (Florida State)
WR, Maurice Covington (Virginia)
WR, George Smith (Vanderbilt)
CB, James Arnold (North Carolina)
DT, Greg Brown (Indiana)
S, Daniel Charbonnet (Texas Tech)
S, Byron Glaspy (Virginia)
CB, Marquis Hundley (Arizona)
RB, Brad Lester (Auburn)
G, Aaron Lockwood (Southern Illinois)
LB, Pat Maynor (Stanford)
TE, Adam McDowell (Fresno State)
P, Chris Miller (Ball State)
Long-snapper, Dave Peck (Wisconsin)
CB, Derek Pegues (Mississippi State)
S, Anthony Reddick (Miami (Fla.))
P, Jake Richardson (Miami (Ohio))
G, Lou Saucedo (Montana State)
T, Sean Sester (Purdue)
FB, Brandon Smith (Ohio State)
DE, Peter Tverdov (Rutgers)
K, Jeff Wolfert (Missouri)
TE, Kenneth Zacharie (Louisiana-Monroe)

[DMBZeppelin]

-Jay Cutler Record Watch 09'-

INDIVIDUAL GAME

Most Passing Yards in a Game
Current Record: 468 Yards held by Johnny Lujack
Jay Cutler: 0 Yards

Most Touchdowns in a Game
Current Record: 7 Touchdows held by Sid Luckman
Jay Cutler: 0 Touchdowns

Highest Completion Percentage in a Game
Current Record: 86.7% held by Bob Williams
Jay Cutler: 0%

Most Completions in a Game
Current Record: 34 Completions held by Jim Miller
Jay Cutler: 0 Completions

Most Attempts in a Game
Current Record: 60 Attempts held by Erik Kramer
Jay Cutler: 0 Attempts

SINGLE SEASON

Most Passing Yards in a Season
Current Record: 3,838 Yards held by Erik Kramer
Jay Cutler: 0 Yards

Most Touchdowns in a Season
Current Record: 29 Touchdows held by Erik Kramer
Jay Cutler: 0 Touchdowns

Highest Completion Percentage in a Season
Current Record: 65.1% held by Shane Matthews
Jay Cutler: 0%

Most Completions in a Season
Current Record: 315 Completions held by Erik Kramer
Jay Cutler: 0 Completions

Most Attempts in a Season
Current Record: 522 Attempts held by Erik Kramer
Jay Cutler: 0 Attempts

Highest QB Rating in a Season
Current Record: 107.8 QB Rating held by Sid Luckman
Jay Cutler: 0.0 QB Rating

Most 300+ Yard Passing Games in a Season
Current Record: 4 held by Bill Wade
Jay Cuter: 0


CAREER

Most Passing Yards in a Career
Current Record: 14,686 Yards held by Sid Luckman
Jay Cutler: 0 Yards

Most Touchdowns in a Career
Current Record: 137 Touchdows held by Sid Luckman
Jay Cutler: 0 Touchdowns

Highest Completion Percentage in a Career
Current Record: 61.1% held by Shane Matthews
Jay Cutler: 0%

Most Completions in a Career
Current Record: 1,023 Completions held by Jim Harbaugh
Jay Cutler: 0 Completions

Most Attempts in a Career
Current Record: 1,759 Attempts held by Jim Harbaugh
Jay Cutler: 0 Attempts

Highest QB Rating in a Career
Current Record: 80.7 QB Rating held by Erik Kramer
Jay Cutler: 0.0 QB Rating (Needs 400 Attempts to Qualify)

Most 300+ Yard Passing Games in a Career
Current Record: 9 held by Bill Wade
Jay Cuter: 0

[JTRocks]

Looking at a story on Bears.com they listed all the undrafted FA's we signed, and the people we're bringing in for a tryout this weekend. Anyone see somebody good?

9 Undrafted Free Agents
G, Johan Asiata (UNLV)
G, Dennis Conley (Hampton)
S, Dahna Deleston (Connecticut)
RB, Tyrell Fenroy (Louisiana-Lafayette)
LB, Kevin Malast (Rutgers)
WR, Eric Peterman (Northwestern)
LB, Mike Rivera (Kansas)
FB, Will Ta’ufo’ou (California)
CB, Woodny Turenne (Louisville)

25 Tryout Players
QB, C.J. Bacher (Northwestern)
QB, Chase Patton (Missouri)
QB, Drew Weatherford (Florida State)
WR, Maurice Covington (Virginia)
WR, George Smith (Vanderbilt)
CB, James Arnold (North Carolina)
DT, Greg Brown (Indiana)
S, Daniel Charbonnet (Texas Tech)
S, Byron Glaspy (Virginia)
CB, Marquis Hundley (Arizona)
RB, Brad Lester (Auburn)
G, Aaron Lockwood (Southern Illinois)
LB, Pat Maynor (Stanford)
TE, Adam McDowell (Fresno State)
P, Chris Miller (Ball State)
Long-snapper, Dave Peck (Wisconsin)
CB, Derek Pegues (Mississippi State)
S, Anthony Reddick (Miami (Fla.))
P, Jake Richardson (Miami (Ohio))
G, Lou Saucedo (Montana State)
T, Sean Sester (Purdue)
FB, Brandon Smith (Ohio State)
DE, Peter Tverdov (Rutgers)
K, Jeff Wolfert (Missouri)
TE, Kenneth Zacharie (Louisiana-Monroe)


Chase Patton (6'4 230lbs)the qb from Mizzou could end up being the next matt cassel. He was a one of the top qb's in the country coming out of high school. At mizzou he lost out on the starting job to chase daniel, and i dont think he ever played while he was at mizzou, but pro scouts have said that he's a more nfl-ready qb than Chase Daniel. It just so happened that at mizzou, chase daniel's style fit the offense better. I didnt even know about this until you posted it. I seriously think he will make the roster.

I follow the U and anthony reddick was awesome back when he was a freshman, i even remember hoping he would one day end up on the bears, but he got injured like every year after that and i'd be surprised ig any teams will even take a chance with him

[DMBZeppelin]

Chase Patton (6'4 230lbs)the qb from Mizzou could end up being the next matt cassel. He was a one of the top qb's in the country coming out of high school. At mizzou he lost out on the starting job to chase daniel, and i dont think he ever played while he was at mizzou, but pro scouts have said that he's a more nfl-ready qb than Chase Daniel. It just so happened that at mizzou, chase daniel's style fit the offense better. I didnt even know about this until you posted it. I seriously think he will make the roster.

I follow the U and anthony reddick was awesome back when he was a freshman, i even remember hoping he would one day end up on the bears, but he got injured like every year after that and i'd be surprised ig any teams will even take a chance with him

I heard good things about Patton from the camps. Right now they're on Day 2. Apparently Eric Peterman has also stood out with a chance to make the team (he's a receiver).

[hubbsguyhaah]

yo im a broncos fan and i got a jay cutler vanderbilt card that i got him to sign personally so if anyone wants it pm me with an offer

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

Hey did u guyz here teh bears got jake hutler ?

[Tiduwho]

I'm sor drunk uright now/

[DMBZeppelin]

yo im a broncos fan and i got a jay cutler vanderbilt card that i got him to sign personally so if anyone wants it pm me with an offer
:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[BotheDMBFan]

Bears is good.

[DMBZeppelin]

Beardless Orton wearing Rex's number is funny to me: http://media1.suntimes.com/multimedia/050409orton_cst_feed_20090504_17_57_16_11397-282-400.imageContent

[JTRocks]

Bears

[BarrieDavefan]

anyone wanna buy any of this stuff...I am a Bronco fan...have been for 25+ years...I have a pile of Cutler stuff...a lot I have dumped to fans that have come to my broncos fan forum broncosfreaks.com ...here is some other things I have for any Bears fans that want it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/CanuckBroncofan/Cutler2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/CanuckBroncofan/Cutler-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/CanuckBroncofan/Cutlerauto-1.jpg

[Tiduwho]

Beardless Orton wearing Rex's number is funny to me: http://media1.suntimes.com/multimedia/050409orton_cst_feed_20090504_17_57_16_11397-282-400.imageContent


He looks like Troy Aikman...

[BarrieDavefan]

wait till you see jay pout when one of his receivers drops a pass or he gets sacked. Enjoy.

[DMBZeppelin]

wait till you see jay pout when one of his receivers drops a pass or he gets sacked. Enjoy.

Wait till you see how useless Marshall and Royal are with Kyle Orton. Enjoy.

[kittensXLI]

I guarantee Marshall still puts up 1,100-1,200 yards next year.

[hubbsguyhaah]

useless? i believe you are mixed up with the fact that kyle orton was mediocre with bad bad bad recievers, now hes got somethin to work with

[DMBZeppelin]

I guarantee Marshall still puts up 1,100-1,200 yards next year.
I suppose if Calvin Johnson can put up numbers in Detroit. It could happen. Orton doesn't have a 3,000 yard season though. So if Marshall puts up those numbers it will probably be at Royal's expense.

useless? i believe you are mixed up with the fact that kyle orton was mediocre with bad bad bad recievers, now hes got somethin to work with
I think you're overrating Orton if you're expecting him to be good.

[DMBZeppelin]

Angelo: Bears in holding pattern on veteran WR (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-10-bears-gala-photosmay10,0,4774135.story)

Although a veteran receiver -- even Anquan Boldin -- remains an option for the Bears (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/chicago-bears-ORSPT000036.topic), general manager Jerry Angelo dismissed talk of Amani Toomer (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/amani-toomer-PESPT007403.topic) being on the radar Saturday night.

The NFL (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/football/nfl-ORSPT000007.topic) Network reported Thursday that the Bears placed a call inquiring about Toomer, a 34-year-old free agent who spent 13 seasons with the New York Giants.

"We have not talked about [Toomer]," Angelo said Saturday before the Bears Care Gala at Soldier Field (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/football/soldier-field-PLTRA0000156.topic).

"A veteran receiver is something we could do. We've looked at just about everybody. But right now we're in a holding pattern. If we go to camp and go into the season with the hand we dealt ourselves, we're very comfortable with that as well."

The Bears made a play for Boldin before the draft, but Arizona wanted more than the Bears' second-round pick. Agent Drew Rosenhaus recently sent out a message via his Twitter (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/arts-culture/internet/twitter-inc.-ORCRP00010280.topic) account saying he expects Boldin to be traded before training camp.

Angelo was asked if the Bears might get back in the bidding.

"I'm not going to say 'No' to anything," he said. "Things have changed now from when we were exploring that before. But [Rosenhaus] also made the statement that someone was going to give the Cardinals a first-round pick. That's part of the salesmanship for his client.

"I don't know what Arizona is going to do. [Boldin] is under contract. We really can't talk about that. Just leave it at that."

[DMBZeppelin]

Bears sign tight end Michael Gaines (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-12-bears-gaines-chicagomay12,0,4177406.story)
Gaines welcomes chance with Bears after winless Lions

Last week, veteran tight end Michael Gaines figured the best financial situation would determine his NFL (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/football/nfl-ORSPT000007.topic) future. After a Monday visit to Halas Hall, Gaines altered his approach.

"When I got there, money pretty much went out the window," said Gaines, who agreed to a one-year contract with the Bears (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/chicago-bears-ORSPT000036.topic), the terms of which were not disclosed. The minimum salary for a veteran with four to six credited seasons is $620,000.

"It was all about handling business and just winning."

Gaines, who played for the 0-16 Lions last season, sees the Bears as his best opportunity to win now.

The Bears view the 6-foot-4-inch, 277-pound Gaines as a player capable of contributing immediately as a blocker. The Bears struggled in some short-yardage situations last season, such as the second-quarter drive at Minnesota that resulted in three plays from the Vikings' 1 for no gain.

General manager Jerry Angelo admitted the Bears discussed using Gaines as a blocking fullback as well. Angelo also said bringing in another tight end does not necessarily signify the end for second-year player Kellen Davis, last year's third tight end behind Desmond Clark (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/desmond-clark-PESPT001299.topic) and Greg Olsen (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/football/greg-olsen-PESPT008269.topic).

"We're looking for a blocker, and Michael fits the bill," Angelo said Saturday before the Bears Care gala. "He's been released several times, but he does have a role. He is a good blocker, and we are a running football team.

"I don't know if it means anything for [Davis]. We like Kellen. If Kellen takes care of his business, everything will take care of itself."

Angelo said adding Gaines should not cause fullback Jason McKie (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/football/jason-mckie-PESPT007523.topic) to look over his shoulder either.

"We're not trying to run any players off," Angelo said. "It's not anything other than creating a better team in terms of going into camp."

Gaines, 29, was a seventh-round pick of Carolina out of Central Florida. He spent three seasons with the Panthers, one with the Bills (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/football/buffalo-bills-ORSPT000034.topic) and one with the Lions. Gaines has 79 career receptions for 810 yards and five touchdowns.

Gaines caught 23 passes for 260 yards and a TD for the Lions last season.

He left Chicago on Monday evening but planned to be back to work Tuesday.

"I'm going home [to Detroit] to pack a small bag and I'm right back here early in the morning," he said. "The learning starts [Tuesday]. I'm eager to get this new system down."

[DMBZeppelin]

This was in the Tribune. Kind of sucks we came close to getting a 1st round draft pick next year. I wonder if we could have flipped that 1st round pick for Boldin.

Three teams were interested in the Bears' 49th pick. One was offering a 2010 first-round pick straight up. The Bears were ready to do the deal. But then the player the other team wanted was taken by someone else. Deal off.

Of the two remaining offers, the Bears took the best one -- the 68th and 105th picks (third- and fourth-rounders) from the Seahawks for the 49th pick.

When the Bears were on the clock at 49, they had four players they would have been happy taking if they could not make a deal. They were hoping that if they moved down 19 spots, one of the players would still be there.

And they got lucky. Two of the players still were there. They chose the one they thought would go more quickly if they did not choose him, defensive tackle Jarron Gilbert (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/football/jarron-gilbert-PESPT0000008657.topic). As it turns out, the Cowboys were prepared to take him with the next pick.

So after the Bears drafted Gilbert, they started considering their options for their next third-round pick, 31 selections later. But they didn't need to.

When the 99th selection came around, a player who was in the Bears' coveted four from the 49th pick was still on the board.

And so the Bears ended up with Gilbert and wide receiver Juaquin Iglesias (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sports/football/juaquin-iglesias-PESPT0000008658.topic) -- more than they thought was possible. And with their extra pick acquired from Seattle they drafted defensive end Henry Melton.

[Doors Allan Coe]

tick tock.

[Tiduwho]

Why tick tock?

[DMBZeppelin]

I was looking at this stats analysis of Favre:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcnorth/0-11-65/The-issue-of-Favre-s-stamina.html

They wound up comparing him to the other 2008 Pro Bowl QB's.

Here was a break down of it, and the reason I'm posting is obviously Cutler.

Drew Brees
Games 1-11: 67.4%, 8.43 Yds/Att, 22 TD's and 11 INT's
Games 12-16: 60.2%, 7.08 Yds/Att, 12 TD's and 6 INT's

Jay Cutler
Games 1-11: 60.1%, 7.48 Yds/Att, 19 TD's and 12 INT's
Games 12-16: 65.7%, 7.09 Yds/Att, 6 TD's and 6 INT's

Brett Favre
Games 1-11: 70.6%, 7.09 Yds/Att, 20 TD's and 13 INT's
Games 12-16: 56.1%, 6.03 Yds/Att, 2 TD's and 9 INT's

Eli Manning
Games 1-11: 62.0%, 6.88 Yds/Att, 18 TD's and 7 INT's
Games 12-16: 56.3%, 6.47 Yds/Att, 3 TD's and 3 INT's

Peyton Manning
Games 1-11: 62.7%, 6.66 Yds/Att, 19 TD's and 10 INT's
Games 12-16: 80.2%, 9.0 Yds/Att, 8 TD's and 2 INT's

Kurt Warner
Games 1-11: 69.7%, 8.1 Yds/Att, 21 TD's and 8 INT's
Games 12-16: 60.0%, 6.53 Yds/Att, 9 TD's and 6 INT's

Only Cutler and P. Manning wound up having a higher completon % down the stretch. He was able to maintain 7+ Yds/Att the whole season. Only Brees, P. Manning, and Cutler had a 7+ Yards/Att down the stretch. I think those are very good signs. Esecially since Denver is cold in Decemeber.

[DMBZeppelin]

Jay Cutlers 4th Quarter Stats

2006
4th Quarter: 15/30 (50%), 202 yards (6.7 AVG), 2 TD's and 1 INT's (80.1 QB Rating)
4th Quarter within 7: 13/25 (52%), 183 yards (7.3 AVG), 2 TD's and 1 INT's (85.9 QB Rating)

2007
4th Quarter: 70/125 (56%), 765 yards (6.1 AVG), 2 TD's and 4 INT's (66.3 QB Rating)
4th Quarter within 7: 62/108 (57.4%), 703 yards (6.5 AVG), 1 TD's and 4 INT's (64.7 QB Rating)

2008
4th Quarter: 100/167 (59.9%), 1,212 yards (7.3 AVG), 11 TD's and 4 INT's (94.2 QB Rating)
4th Quarter within 7: 95/160 (59.4%), 1,140 yards (7.1 AVG), 10 TD's and 4 INT's (91.7 QB Rating)


His 2008 4th quarter stats are awesome. Lets hope he can keep that up. Just good to see he learned to play well from behind with that crap defense.

[darbini]

useless? i believe you are mixed up with the fact that kyle orton was mediocre with bad bad bad recievers, now hes got somethin to work with

Kyle Orton is mediocre when he is at his best. I'm so happy the Bears got rid of such a horrible QB.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Kyle Orton is mediocre when he is at his best. I'm so happy the Bears got rid of such a horrible QB.

Orton was not horrible. We will see how he does in Denver. He is an intelligent, hard working QB. I had mixed emotions about the trade.

from 2005-2009 Orton was a decent QB for the Bears. He started as a rookie in 2005 when we made the playoffs and he looked much better in 2008 when he was restored as official starter.

As a Bears I have nothing to hate about Orton. He is a middle of the road starter going into this year and probably the best #2 in the league.

[Tiduwho]

I see us winning at least 10 games this year.

[DMBZeppelin]

Orton was not horrible. We will see how he does in Denver. He is an intelligent, hard working QB. I had mixed emotions about the trade.

from 2005-2009 Orton was a decent QB for the Bears. He started as a rookie in 2005 when we made the playoffs and he looked much better in 2008 when he was restored as official starter.

As a Bears I have nothing to hate about Orton. He is a middle of the road starter going into this year and probably the best #2 in the league.
You had mixed emotions about the trade!? ARE YOU CRAZY!?

2005: Orton didn't give a damn about football
2006: Orton didn't give a damn about football
2007: Orton finally decides to get in shape
2008: Orton actually cared about winning the starting job

His first two years here Orton did not care about starting. Ask anyone who covered the Bears. He was content being out of shape and drinking.

Sure Orton might be the best backup in the league. The Bears got a franchise QB. Lets shed tears for Orton. I also promise you whatever Orton does in Denver. He wouldn't have done those things here. Orton is a system QB, and now he's in a system. Look what the system did for someone like Cassel. You think Cassel would put up those type of numbers under the Bears?

[Carbon Copy]

i hope orton somehow moves into the starting position to show you how good he actually was with good receivers

[DMBZeppelin]

i hope orton somehow moves into the starting position to show you how good he actually was with good receivers
Did Simms beat him out for the job already? I was under the impression he was the starter?

I've seen Orton cost the Bears game last year by missing WIDE OPEN receivers. I suppose if this was Royal or Marshall the throw would magically come towards them? How about Devin Hester when he would totally beat his guy, but Orton would underthrow the ball and put the defender back in the play? These things will be fixed with good receivers?

Orton can make throws, but not all of them.

[JTRocks]

i meant to post this the other day. So peter king came out with his first nfl power rankings since the season ended and look what team he has ranked number 4


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/05/10/may11/index.html

[Doors Allan Coe]

Did Simms beat him out for the job already? I was under the impression he was the starter?

I've seen Orton cost the Bears game last year by missing WIDE OPEN receivers. I suppose if this was Royal or Marshall the throw would magically come towards them? How about Devin Hester when he would totally beat his guy, but Orton would underthrow the ball and put the defender back in the play? These things will be fixed with good receivers?

Orton can make throws, but not all of them.

I never said he could make every throw. Did you watch in 2005? How can you say he didn't care about football? He starter his rookie season and led Chicago to the playoffs. Grossman ended up losing at home against Carolina. In 2006 Orton was #2 since day 1. Grossman lost in the Super Bowl. In 2007 and 2008 Orton proved to be a winning QB. He isn't pretty but the Bears in general haven't been pretty.

Orton led the bears to a 9-7 record this year. THREE games the DEFENSE gave up leads in the 4th quarter. Carolina, Atlanta, and Tampa Bay in OT. Atlanta Orton led Chicago down the field in under 2 minutes to give the Bears the go ahead PASS TD with little time on the clock. I have fond memories of Orton.

He isn't Joe Montana. But, he was a tough QB. He plays outdoors at least 10 time a year. He got the job done for the most part. Hopefully this year he proves it. I have confidence in him and I hope he does well.

[Tiduwho]

I never said he could make every throw. Did you watch in 2005? How can you say he didn't care about football? He starter his rookie season and led Chicago to the playoffs. Grossman ended up losing at home against Carolina. In 2006 Orton was #2 since day 1. Grossman lost in the Super Bowl. In 2007 and 2008 Orton proved to be a winning QB. He isn't pretty but the Bears in general haven't been pretty.

Orton led the bears to a 9-7 record this year. THREE games the DEFENSE gave up leads in the 4th quarter. Carolina, Atlanta, and Tampa Bay in OT. Atlanta Orton led Chicago down the field in under 2 minutes to give the Bears the go ahead PASS TD with little time on the clock. I have fond memories of Orton.

He isn't Joe Montana. But, he was a tough QB. He plays outdoors at least 10 time a year. He got the job done for the most part. Hopefully this year he proves it. I have confidence in him and I hope he does well.

I agree with you that in 2008, Orton was definitely a casualty of our lax defense in 4th quarters. He made some throws, and he has good pocket presence. I think he'll be great in Denver's system personally.


In 2005, it was the defense carrying Orton. Outside of his really bad 5 INT game in Cincy, he held onto the ball which was enough for our premier defense to win games. He really didnt' do anything though. However, Rex was the only reason we were even in that playoff game against Carolina. Not a bad season for a rook though.

[DMBZeppelin]

I never said he could make every throw. Did you watch in 2005? How can you say he didn't care about football? He starter his rookie season and led Chicago to the playoffs.
:confused Did you watch in 2005?

In 15 starts did the following:

190/368 (51.6%) with 1,869 Yards (5.1 AVG), 9 TD's and 13 INT's (59.7 QB Rating)

In what ways is this taking care of the ball? Just because you suck and can't make big plays doesn't make you a "game manager". He also had 6 fumbles in 2005.

You know what led Chicago to the playoffs? A great defense and an outstanding running game.

Grossman ended up losing at home against Carolina.
Rex was the one and only reason we were in the game. I know Rex had a horrible start in that game, but he brought us back to within 29-21. Earlier in the season before Mike Brown went down. 21 points was enough. Because of a stupid Lovie Smith rule on defense we wound up with a practice squad guy on Steve Smith. That's also part of the reason the defense blew it. Regardless defense is why we lost the game, not the offense.

In 2006 Orton was #2 since day 1. Grossman lost in the Super Bowl. In 2007 and 2008 Orton proved to be a winning QB. He isn't pretty but the Bears in general haven't been pretty.
First off Griese was the #2 in both 2006 and 2007. How did Orton prove to be a winning QB? I hate how people like to argue "Bears won with Orton!" well guesswhat we won with Rex. Does winning with Rex effect your opinion of him? Then it shouldn't with Orton. You also recall that the Bears would have made the playoffs if the Bears beat the Texans last week of the season? Where's the winning Kyle Orton then?

Maybe if Kyle Orton doesn't throw 3 INT's against the Vikes in Week 13 we don't need to win that game to get in.

Orton led the bears to a 9-7 record this year. THREE games the DEFENSE gave up leads in the 4th quarter. Carolina, Atlanta, and Tampa Bay in OT. Atlanta Orton led Chicago down the field in under 2 minutes to give the Bears the go ahead PASS TD with little time on the clock. I have fond memories of Orton.
You don't remember the Carolina game where all Orton had to do was hit a wide open Marty Booker on a slant for a Bears win? Rex or Griese would have made that throw. Most NFL QB's could. I remember a similar situation against TB, I'll go look in this thread to see.

He isn't Joe Montana. But, he was a tough QB. He plays outdoors at least 10 time a year. He got the job done for the most part. Hopefully this year he proves it. I have confidence in him and I hope he does well.
I also hope Orton does well. Why we're even giving him a 2nd thought, or the fact you had mixed feelings is crazy. Do you think we'd be a better team this year with Orton instead of Cutler?

[Doors Allan Coe]

I also hope Orton does well. Why we're even giving him a 2nd thought, or the fact you had mixed feelings is crazy. Do you think we'd be a better team this year with Orton instead of Cutler?

I wouldn't feel better with Orton.

I don't why you are knocking him so hard. You can dig up all the stats on him you want. You can say what-if about whatever you want. His record is 21-12
16-2 in Chicago. You can keep trying to embellish mistakes he has made. However, the bottom line is he played well in Chicago. You can talk about INTS all you want. I know that when I watched Kyle Orton play he won the majority of the time. Orton has played better than almost ANY Chicago Bears QB since 1985. In fact I'm pretty sure he DOES have the best W/L Record out of any Chicago Bears QB since Mcmahon.

Trust me I know AWEFUL Qbs when I see them. Orton is one of the best we have had in DECADES. You run him down like he is terrible. I think you just don't really know what your talking about.

I've grown to like Orton as a player. I enjoyed watching him in Purdue and I really enjoyed watching him progress in the NFL. If we didn't trade for Cutler I would have been happy rooting on Orton again. I honestly believe he could have led this team to the Super Bowl with the right pieces in place.

EDIT: Don't let your head get too big. While Cutler is a great QB I wouldn't exactly put us in the playoffs yet. Green Bay and Minnesota both have the ability to LEVEL us again. Also I'm sure Detroit won't be losing EVERY division game again. Culter is nice but NOBODY can carry a team...you know other than Dion Sanders...

[DMBZeppelin]

I wouldn't feel better with Orton.

I don't why you are knocking him so hard. You can dig up all the stats on him you want. You can say what-if about whatever you want. His record is 21-12
16-2 in Chicago. You can keep trying to embellish mistakes he has made. However, the bottom line is he played well in Chicago. You can talk about INTS all you want. I know that when I watched Kyle Orton play he won the majority of the time. Orton has played better than almost ANY Chicago Bears QB since 1985. In fact I'm pretty sure he DOES have the best W/L Record out of any Chicago Bears QB since Mcmahon.

Trust me I know AWEFUL Qbs when I see them. Orton is one of the best we have had in DECADES. You run him down like he is terrible. I think you just don't really know what your talking about.

I've grown to like Orton as a player. I enjoyed watching him in Purdue and I really enjoyed watching him progress in the NFL. If we didn't trade for Cutler I would have been happy rooting on Orton again. I honestly believe he could have led this team to the Super Bowl with the right pieces in place.

EDIT: Don't let your head get too big. While Cutler is a great QB I wouldn't exactly put us in the playoffs yet. Green Bay and Minnesota both have the ability to LEVEL us again. Also I'm sure Detroit won't be losing EVERY division game again. Culter is nice but NOBODY can carry a team...you know other than Dion Sanders...
We were 21-12 with Orton as a starter. We were 19-12 with Rex as a starter.

Though 2 of Orton's wins were due to Rex. Orton started the Atlanta game in 05' where Rex came in at halftime that we won. Orton also went down in the Detroit game this past season. It was Rex who came in brought us back from behind. Also in 07' Griese sucked against the Raiders. Rex came in at half time and led a 4th quarter comeback. THat's 3 wins that don't go on Rex's record that he was responsible for.

While the games Orton didn't finish, Rex won for him. When Rex went down against KC in 03' we were in the game. We wound up losing without him. When Rex went down against the Vikings in 04' Rex was having a breakout game. Then Quinn came in and shit the bed. In 07' when Rex came off his benching he was doing great. Then he went down against the Redskins and Griese blew the game.

Unlike how you think Orton could have led us to a Super Bowl. Rex actually did.

So again I don't see your point about W/L. Because most Bears fans will say Rex sucks. I think you judge a QB on how he produes. Kyle Orton has yet to throw for 3,000 yards in a season. His career 30 TD's and 27 INT's are very average. He's an average starter. I'm not knocking him hard. I'm just saying he's nothing special. Yet anyone who judges a QB's W/L record over actual production doesn't know jack about football IMO.

[Doors Allan Coe]

We were 21-12 with Orton as a starter. We were 19-12 with Rex as a starter.

Though 2 of Orton's wins were due to Rex. Orton started the Atlanta game in 05' where Rex came in at halftime that we won. Orton also went down in the Detroit game this past season. It was Rex who came in brought us back from behind. Also in 07' Griese sucked against the Raiders. Rex came in at half time and led a 4th quarter comeback. THat's 3 wins that don't go on Rex's record that he was responsible for.

While the games Orton didn't finish, Rex won for him. When Rex went down against KC in 03' we were in the game. We wound up losing without him. When Rex went down against the Vikings in 04' Rex was having a breakout game. Then Quinn came in and shit the bed. In 07' when Rex came off his benching he was doing great. Then he went down against the Redskins and Griese blew the game.

Unlike how you think Orton could have led us to a Super Bowl. Rex actually did.

So again I don't see your point about W/L. Because most Bears fans will say Rex sucks. I think you judge a QB on how he produes. Kyle Orton has yet to throw for 3,000 yards in a season. His career 30 TD's and 27 INT's are very average. He's an average starter. I'm not knocking him hard. I'm just saying he's nothing special. Yet anyone who judges a QB's W/L record over actual production doesn't know jack about football IMO.

No, take a look at Super Bowl winners. Not every team has a prolific QB raking up stat. Orton is a middle of the road QB with something to proove. To say he hasn't continually improved would be false. He has. Unlike Rex who continually hit new lows.

I think we agree about the quarterback Kyle Orton is. I just feel he would have excelled in 2009 and you feel he would have declined. I was counting on the D playing better and Orton playing decent ball. I had confidence he would have led us to the playoffs. You clearly did not. The way you talk about him is as if you had no hope of winning this season before the Cutler trade. I already felt this team could win the division without the blockbuster Cutler trade.

[Tiduwho]

No, take a look at Super Bowl winners. Not every team has a prolific QB raking up stat. Orton is a middle of the road QB with something to proove. To say he hasn't continually improved would be false. He has. Unlike Rex who continually hit new lows.

I think we agree about the quarterback Kyle Orton is. I just feel he would have excelled in 2009 and you feel he would have declined. I was counting on the D playing better and Orton playing decent ball. I had confidence he would have led us to the playoffs. You clearly did not. The way you talk about him is as if you had no hope of winning this season before the Cutler trade. I already felt this team could win the division without the blockbuster Cutler trade.

No, I can speak for Zep that it's not that he feels Orton was going to decline or anything close. You two aren't on a black and white level of "getting better/getting worse". What Zep is doing is pointing out the double standard so many fans have had for lauding Orton for his W/L record while bashing Rex to the extreme. I loved Orton, and I think he's improved tenfold since 2005. He can make throws he never could before this past year.

But Rex Grossman had more potential than any qb we've had since 1985, and was the 2nd most talented qb we've had (behind Eric Kramer). Orton, this year in 2008, was becoming the game manager that he'd been labeled for years. He could also make some plays. But for the most part, he wasn't a prototypical "game manager".

He didn't take care of the ball as well as people have selectively taught themselves to remember. He didn't have a high completion percentage. He didn't even have an average passer rating. The stats back that up. He was an average quarterback (vastly below average before this past season), that was carried solely by his defense and running game.

I think Orton will do dandy for Denver. The point is, Cutler is an actual premier QB, potential that we've never seen as Bear fans in our lives. That sounds dramatic, but it's true....that's how pathetic our QBs are. He's already our best QB since Eric Kramer before throwing a pass.

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No, take a look at Super Bowl winners. Not every team has a prolific QB raking up stat. Orton is a middle of the road QB with something to proove. To say he hasn't continually improved would be false. He has. Unlike Rex who continually hit new lows.

I think we agree about the quarterback Kyle Orton is. I just feel he would have excelled in 2009 and you feel he would have declined. I was counting on the D playing better and Orton playing decent ball. I had confidence he would have led us to the playoffs. You clearly did not. The way you talk about him is as if you had no hope of winning this season before the Cutler trade. I already felt this team could win the division without the blockbuster Cutler trade.
The teams that don't have prolific teams have had great defenses. It takes an all time great defense to get Dilfer a ring.

Take a look at the last 15 Super Bowl winners.

2008: Steelers with Roethlisberger
2007: Giants with E. Manning
2006: Colts with P. Manning
2005: Steelers with Roethlisberger
2004: Patriots with Brady
2003: Patriots with Brady
2002: Bucs with B. Johnson
2001: Patriots with Brady
2000: Ravens with Dilfer
1999: Rams with Warner
1998: Broncos with Elway
1997: Broncos with Elway
1996: Packers with Favre
1995: Cowboys with Aikman
1994: 49ers with S. Young

Last 15 years the only bad QB's to win a ring had all time great defenses. Even those two went to a Pro Bowl during their career at one point. Bottom line this is a quarterback driven league. The same people saying Orton would have excelled in 2009 are the same people who like to tell me "Who is Cutler going to throw to?"

Then again in a previous post you say "Just because the Bears have Cutler. Don't put the Bears in the playoffs just yet." but you sound more optimistic about the playoffs with Orton in this post. Don't you think we improve a couple wins with Cutler?

I don't think Rex continually hit new lows. In fact I think in 2007 he was looking just fine before he got hurt. Sure he looked like crap against the Titans, but QB's a lot better then Rex looked like crap against them. Probably didn't help Rex hadn't practiced with the first team since training camp.

I never said Orton hasn't improved. 2008 Orton was the best he ever played. I wanted to see Orton do well, but we've likely seen his ceiling. Unless you think the Bears defense was going to return to 2005 form. It is very unlikely we'd win a Super Bowl with him.

No, I can speak for Zep that it's not that he feels Orton was going to decline or anything close. You two aren't on a black and white level of "getting better/getting worse". What Zep is doing is pointing out the double standard so many fans have had for lauding Orton for his W/L record while bashing Rex to the extreme. I loved Orton, and I think he's improved tenfold since 2005. He can make throws he never could before this past year.

But Rex Grossman had more potential than any qb we've had since 1985, and was the 2nd most talented qb we've had (behind Eric Kramer). Orton, this year in 2008, was becoming the game manager that he'd been labeled for years. He could also make some plays. But for the most part, he wasn't a prototypical "game manager".

He didn't take care of the ball as well as people have selectively taught themselves to remember. He didn't have a high completion percentage. He didn't even have an average passer rating. The stats back that up. He was an average quarterback (vastly below average before this past season), that was carried solely by his defense and running game.

I think Orton will do dandy for Denver. The point is, Cutler is an actual premier QB, potential that we've never seen as Bear fans in our lives. That sounds dramatic, but it's true....that's how pathetic our QBs are. He's already our best QB since Eric Kramer before throwing a pass.
This is all true.

[Doors Allan Coe]

2008: Steelers with Roethlisberger
2007: Giants with E. Manning
2005: Steelers with Roethlisberger
2004: Patriots with Brady
2003: Patriots with Brady
2002: Bucs with B. Johnson
2001: Patriots with Brady
2000: Ravens with Dilfer


Here are the stats for your "prolific" QBs.
Comp - Att - Att/G - Pct - Yds - Yds/G - TD - Int - Sack - Rate

Orton 2008 - 21st ranked D - 26th ranked O
272 465 31.0 58.5 2972 198.1 18 12 27 79.6

Roethlisberger - Super Bowl 2008 - 4th ranked D - 22nd ranked O
281 469 29.3 59.9 3301 206.3 17 15 46 80.1

Manning - Super Bowl 2007 - 7th ranked D - 16th ranked O
297 529 33.1 56.1 3336 208.5 23 20 27 73.9

Grossman - Super Bowl 2006 - 5th ranked D - 15th ranked O
262 480 30.0 54.6 3193 199.6 23 20 21 73.9

Roethlisberger - Super Bowl 2005 - 4th ranked D - 15th ranked O
168 268 22.3 62.7 2385 198.8 17 9 23 98.6

Brady - Super Bowl 2001 - 24th ranked D - 19th ranked O
264 413 27.5 63.9 2843 189.5 18 12 41 86.5

Your telling me these teams weren't predicated on a strong D? Look at the numbers for these SUPER BOWL winners. The stats don't look that different from Orton's. I think your revising history a bit. Take a look at Drew Brees he almost set the single season passing record and his team didn't even make the postseason. I'm not a huge stat guy but these are the numbers from the Super Bowl winning QBs season. Orton is not last in ANY category.

Your telling me that if the D lived up to the hype this team wouldn't have been in the playoffs? We're talking about a QB who had NO #1 WR. Hell he didn't even know who was starting week to week.



I don't think Rex continually hit new lows. In fact I think in 2007 he was looking just fine before he got hurt. Sure he looked like crap against the Titans, but QB's a lot better then Rex looked like crap against them. Probably didn't help Rex hadn't practiced with the first team since training camp.

I never said Orton hasn't improved. 2008 Orton was the best he ever played. I wanted to see Orton do well, but we've likely seen his ceiling. Unless you think the Bears defense was going to return to 2005 form. It is very unlikely we'd win a Super Bowl with him.



Grossman - 2007
122 225 28.1 54.2 1411 176.4 6.3 4 7 25 66.4
Grossman - 2008
32 62 20.7 51.6 257 85.7 4.1 2 2 2 59.7

For a guy who like whipping out stats your sure don't seem to know what the hell is going on. Take a look at Grossman's stats...how can you even say he didn't hit new lows? 2006 is the only YEAR he threw more TDs than INTs.

Rex isn't half the QB Orton is. Rex is 6'1" and has small hands. He can't see over the line and he can't hold onto the ball. He also has ended up injured EVERY YEAR(he started) other than 2006. If Rex had more potential I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be a free agent still. Nobody wants anything to do with the guy. Denver could have signed Grossman...but he is terrible and reached his ceiling. Unlike Orton who has continually improved and shows promise.

I don't understand Chicago was ONE win out of the playoffs. We lost in OT after a personal foul against TB. We lost with like 7 seconds left in Atlanta. Both losses were given up on defense. I can't fathom how you can think this team COULDN'T win a Super Bowl if the Defense played well and Chicago invested in a WR.

I like Cutler. Hopefully his "skill" will up the ability of the current WRs.

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Dude....:confused


Your argument doesn't make sense. :confused

[Doors Allan Coe]

Bottom line this is a quarterback driven league. The same people saying Orton would have excelled in 2009 are the same people who like to tell me "Who is Cutler going to throw to?"


I'm not asking who is he throwing to. I feel ok with the play makers around him. If Orton were here I would have been eager to add a WR, but Cutler makes up for that.

WR - Hester/Bennett/Davis/Rookie - Cutler already excelled with Bennett in college. Davis is a drop machine either way. Who know what sort of impact whichever rookies make the team will add. Hester, well Cutler better throw a nicer long ball than Orton...that is really what everyone is counting on.

TE - We have possibly the best set of TEs in the league.

RB - One word, Forte...

I do feel confident that trading for Cutler was a good idea. The main reason is because of his age. I wouldn't have dropped Orton for Favre. You basically come off like "Cutler saved the team." When that is far from the truth.

This season lies in the hands of Lovie and Marinelli. We have the core of a great D. They just have to preform like they did and be conditioned to survive 4 quarters of football before November.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Dude....:confused


Your argument doesn't make sense. :confused

what argument?

Orton stats are comparable to the "Franchise Qbs" that were mentioned.

Grossman grew worse every year. At this point nobody wants him.

how is that confusing?

edit: You can also see how these SUPER BOWL winners were predicated on defense. Sure QB is a glorious position but Defense wins championships.

[DMBZeppelin]

Here are the stats for your "prolific" QBs.
Comp - Att - Att/G - Pct - Yds - Yds/G - TD - Int - Sack - Rate

Orton 2008 - 21st ranked D - 26th ranked O
272 465 31.0 58.5 2972 198.1 18 12 27 79.6

Roethlisberger - Super Bowl 2008 - 4th ranked D - 22nd ranked O
281 469 29.3 59.9 3301 206.3 17 15 46 80.1

Manning - Super Bowl 2007 - 7th ranked D - 16th ranked O
297 529 33.1 56.1 3336 208.5 23 20 27 73.9

Grossman - Super Bowl 2006 - 5th ranked D - 15th ranked O
262 480 30.0 54.6 3193 199.6 23 20 21 73.9

Roethlisberger - Super Bowl 2005 - 4th ranked D - 15th ranked O
168 268 22.3 62.7 2385 198.8 17 9 23 98.6

Brady - Super Bowl 2001 - 24th ranked D - 19th ranked O
264 413 27.5 63.9 2843 189.5 18 12 41 86.5

Your telling me these teams weren't predicated on a strong D? Look at the numbers for these SUPER BOWL winners. The stats don't look that different from Orton's. I think your revising history a bit.
REVISING HISTORY!? I'm not the one who says "Take a look at the Super Bowl winners" and puts Rex Grossman in the group of Super Bowl winners to cherry pick my stats. You said not every Super Bowl winner had a prolific QB. To which I agreed, but for said "average" QB team to win it. They usually need an all time great defense. Such as the 00' Ravens and 02' Bucs. How can you deny that? Can you look at that list of the last 15 Super Bowl winners and put Orton in the same group as those guys? Are you really going to make that clam?

Sure maybe a small group of those QB's didn't have a career year. Point being with the exception of Johnson and Dilfer. You'd want any of those guys QBing the Bears over Orton. Though you'll probably say otherwise and that's fine if you want to be crazy. For the record I never said you didn't need a good defense to win it. You usually do. Point being it still takes elite defenses to make up for mediocre QB play.

You know how the 06' Colts with a horrible defense beat the Bears? Better QB play. You know how the 08' Cards made it to the Super Bowl with a so-so defense? QB Play.

Take a look at Drew Brees he almost set the single season passing record and his team didn't even make the postseason. Your telling me that if the D lived up to the hype this team wouldn't have been in the playoffs? We're talking about a QB who had NO #1 WR. Hell he didn't even know who was starting week to week.
No one ever said a QB alone is the key to winning a Super Bowl. Teams win Super Bowls. That's why a team win/loss record (aka your record as a starting QB) doesn't mean jack next to your production.

Brees did his part without question. Just like with any QB, you produce and your team is in the picture. The New Orleans went down to the final weeks to miss out. In fact I think it was the Bears beating them that helped cost them a shot. When you have a franchise QB you'll always be in the picture. If you give Brees a decent defense and they have a Super Bowl shot like they did in 06'. If Brees wins a Super Bowl his name would blend right in on the list of Super Bowl winning QB's. Not so much with Orton.

Grossman - 2007
122 225 28.1 54.2 1411 176.4 6.3 4 7 25 66.4
Grossman - 2008
32 62 20.7 51.6 257 85.7 4.1 2 2 2 59.7

For a guy who like whipping out stats your sure don't seem to know what the hell is going on. Take a look at Grossman's stats...how can you even say he didn't hit new lows? 2006 is the only YEAR he threw more TDs than INTs.

Rex isn't half the QB Orton is. Rex is 6'1" and has small hands. He can't see over the line and he can't hold onto the ball. He also has ended up injured EVERY YEAR(he started) other than 2006. If Rex had more potential I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be a free agent still. Nobody wants anything to do with the guy. Denver could have signed Grossman...but he is terrible and reached his ceiling. Unlike Orton who has continually improved and shows promise.
Wow so first you're only about Win/Loss. Then I give you a decent argument how Rex's W/L argument is better then Orton's. Now we're back to stats.

Case in point. Rex's 2006 is better then anything Orton has ever done. Because case in point first 3 games of 2007 Rex sucked. So did the entire offense though. Fred Miller turned into a revolving door, and Rex was getting killed. These are only things that can effect Orton though. Things go bad and it's always Rex's fault. Even though Orton has more career fumbles then Rex, but Rex is the one with the small hands right?

Oh and I love the Rex is only 6'1" argument when I never hear people calling 6'0" guys like Brees too short to play. Then again most people called Brees a bust in SD. Getting benched for Flutie at times. Then they drafted Rivers. Suddenly once you put an offense around him. People were surprised to see how good Brees was.

Here's what I know during the 5 game span of 2007 after the benching Rex didn't have a lot of INT's, but only 1 INT. He didn't always get the TD's for those drives, but he led to a lot of scoring. We had to win out, and he was keeping us in every game. His QBing against Denver and the Giants were some of the best NFL throws I've ever seen out of a Bears QB. Though I guess beating Champ Bailey on an end zone throw to a spot only Berrian can get it isn't a big deal when Orton can "manage" a game.

In 2008 after not working with the first team he leads a comeback against Detroit and didn't blow the game against the Titans, but didn't win it. Over his last 8 games with the Bears he had 6 TD's (5 passing, 1 Rushing) and 3 INT's. I wouldn't call this horrible or great.

I can't fathom how you can think this team COULDN'T win a Super Bowl if the Defense played well and Chicago invested in a WR.
I can see Orton winning a Super Bowl, but unless it was an all time great defense. It just wouldn't be likely. Because we'd get into the playoffs against better QB's and we'd most likely lose.

I like Cutler. Hopefully his "skill" will up the ability of the current WRs.
Again comments like these are what make me question if you really support Cutler over Orton.

You basically come off like "Cutler saved the team." When that is far from the truth.
Cutler changes everything. Again why did the Packers dominate the NFC Central for so many years? Favre. Why did the Colts do that to the AFC South for so many years now? P. Manning. Teams with QB's are always in it. When you're the only team in the division with a QB. Then you're likely going to win said division.

This season lies in the hands of Lovie and Marinelli. We have the core of a great D. They just have to preform like they did and be conditioned to survive 4 quarters of football before November.
I think this defense could be great in that it works, but don't go expecting 2005. A lot of these guys are older. We don't have a starting free safety. Tommie Harris might not be healthy. The Tampa 2 doesn't work without a dominant DT, WLB, and S. That's just the way it is, and all of those are question marks. The D-line will be better and conditioned under Marinelli, but will Tommie finally be healthy?

Orton stats are comparable to the "Franchise Qbs" that were mentioned.
:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol Ya that list of last 15 QB's to win the Super Bowl is just full of bums. Seriously we need to stop. Because while I do reply to your answers. Most of what you say contradicts your previous post.

Grossman grew worse every year. At this point nobody wants him.
Outside of the first 3 games in 2007 when did he grow worse?

edit: You can also see how these SUPER BOWL winners were predicated on defense. Sure QB is a glorious position but Defense wins championships.
No one ever said you didn't need a defense, but the QB is the most important position in the NFL.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Maybe I'll come back later to write more Zepp but it's clear we just don't see eye to eye.

You seem to really be hung up on Rex. You seem to dislike Orton. That is really where are opinions differ. I think Orton has much more potential and I think Rex is pretty much done. I'm sure I'm not the only person who will say Rex doesn't have what it takes and Orton has progressed.

I feel great teams are predicated on great D. I feel a QB with marginal stats can be enough to win it all. Which clearly the stats support. I'm positive I'm not the first person to feel that way. Many franchises feel the exact same way. Ask the Steelers...but I'm sure you'll be saying Terry Bradshaw was amazing just like Eli, Big Ben, and Brady when they first won the Super Bowl. Most of the recent Super Bowl winners were taken there by a great D. Seriously just check out the ranking I posted. It's not an opinion that from nfl.com.

You can laugh at my opinions if you want. You can sit for an hour and try and pick apart every little thing I say. That really is all you are doing. You want to talk football I would talk football. But, your purposely trying to argue and be a smart ass.

There is nothing you can do. I like Orton. I would have been happy to have him in Chicago. I like Cutler. I'll be rooting for him and hoping he does amazing.

Just because I'm not crowning him King of Chicago yet doesn't mean I don't like him. Just because I question our WR core doesn't mean I didn't question it with Orton. In fact I was more worried about out WRs before. I feel if Cutler lives up to the hype he should do just fine with Olsen/Forte/Clark/Hester. Plus, he did quite well with Bennett at Vandy, so I'm optimistic.

and by the way, just the fact you think Rex Grossman has more potential than Orton is laughable. Seriously could 32 other NFL coaches be wrong? NOBODY signed the guy. NOT EVEN they Bengals! He is a young QB who has been to a SB. You have to show some pretty terrible tendencies for a crappy team not to sign you after your rookie contact expires... Get your head out of the clouds. It's not September 2006. Grossman is done man. D's figured him out. His size matters. You don't need to be a giant to be a good QB but he clearly has issue holding the ball and issue reading coverages. I'm attributing it to his size, although maybe he just can't read coverage. But, I truly don't think he is stupid, I just think he lacks some intangibles. He clearly does...

So have fun. If you post something original I'll respond. I really don't know what the argument even is. Hopefully I covered it here.
Orton = Ok
Cutler = Good
Grossman = Bad
QB = Important
D = Very Important

I don't see how that is so outrageous...

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1. Jay Cutler isn’t the first quarterback from Vanderbilt the Bears acquired via a trade. Who is the other?
A. Ed Brown
B. Rudy Bukich
C. Sid Luckman
D. Bill Wade

2. Matt Forte rushed for a season-high 139 yards against which team last season?
A. Colts
B. Lions
C. Rams
D. Texans

3. Who is the only player the Bears have selected with the 18th pick in the NFL Draft?
A. Jim Covert
B. Wendell Davis
C. Willie Gault
D. Brad Muster

4. Who led the Bears in interceptions last season?
A. Lance Briggs
B. Corey Graham
C. Kevin Payne
D. Charles Tillman

5. Since 2005, who is the only NFC team to register more wins than the Bears?
A. Cowboys
B. Giants
C. Panthers
D. Seahawks

6. Who has appeared in the most post-season games in Bears history?
A. Mark Bortz
B. Dan Hampton
C. Steve McMichael
D. Mike Singletary

7. Which Bears player was drafted by the Packers?
A. Hunter Hillenmeyer
B. Jason McKie
C. Nick Roach
D. Jamar Williams

8. Devin Hester scored his first NFL touchdown against which team?
A. Lions
B. Packers
C. Rams
D. Vikings

9. Which Bears player entered the NFL as an undrafted free agent?
A. Desmond Clark
B. Roberto Garza
C. Brad Maynard
D. Adewale Ogunleye

10. Who led the Bears in sacks last season?
A. Alex Brown
B. Tommie Harris
C. Adewale Ogunleye
D. Brian Urlacher

11. Who was the last Bears quarterback to throw four TD passes in a game?
A. Rex Grossman
B. Cade McNown
C. Jim Miller
D. Kyle Orton

12. Which Bears assistant coach played for the Chicago Blitz in the USFL?
A. Gill Byrd
B. Jon Hoke
C. Tim Spencer
D. Dave Toub

Answers:
1-D: The Bears acquired former Vanderbilt star Bill Wade in a trade with the Los Angeles Rams in 1961 in exchange for quarterback Zeke Bratkowski. Wade played six seasons for the Bears from 1961-66, leading them to the 1963 NFL championship. Wade still holds Bears records for longest pass (98 yards), 300-yard games in a career (9) and 300-yard games in a season (4 in 1962).

2-C: Bears running back Matt Forte rushed for a season-high 139 yards and 2 touchdowns on 21 carries in a 27-3 rout of the Rams last Nov. 23 in St. Louis.

3-C: The Bears selected Tennessee wide receiver Willie Gault with the 18th overall pick in the 1983 draft.

4-C: Safety Kevin Payne led the Bears with a career-high four interceptions last season. Cornerback Charles Tillman and linebacker Lance Briggs were tied for second with three apiece.

5-B: With a 41-23 record, the New York Giants are the only NFC team to register more wins than the Bears (40-24) over the past four seasons.

6-A: Guard Mark Bortz has appeared in a Bears-record 13 playoff games, one more than Kevin Butler, Dennis Gentry, Dan Hampton, Jay Hilgenberg, Steve McMichael, Ron Rivera, Mike Singletary and Keith Van Horne.

7-A: Linebacker Hunter Hillenmeyer was selected by the Green Bay Packers in the fifth round of the 2003 NFL Draft (166th overall).

8-B: Devin Hester scored his first NFL touchdown against the Packers on an 84-yard punt return in a 26-0 victory over Green Bay in his first pro game on Sept. 10, 2006 at Lambeau Field.

9-D: Defensive end Adewale Ogunleye entered the NFL with the Miami Dolphins in 2000 as an undrafted free agent out of Indiana.

10-A: Defensive end Alex Brown led the Bears in sacks last season for the third time in his career with six.

11-A: Rex Grossman was the last Bears quarterback to throw four TD passes in a game, accomplishing the feat in a 34-7 win over the Detroit Lions on Sept. 17, 2006 at Soldier Field.

12-C: Bears running backs coach Tim Spencer played running back for the Chicago Blitz in the USFL in 1983. Spencer later played six seasons with the San Diego Chargers.

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I got 11/12 with the only one I got incorrect being #6.

[kittensXLI]

I knew 2, 5, and 7, guessed correctly on 11, and thought Briggs was the INT leader since I knew he had 3; so 4.5 out of 12 from a complete Bears outsider.

[BotheDMBFan]

7/12. I am so depressed.

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Only got 3,7 and 11 right. I'm surprised I got that many correct.