Da Bears

[RexGrossman]

i hate that excuse as much as the next guy, but you gotta admit, they're missing half of their defense. now the giants' offense, on the other hand...that's a different story.


i remember you.

douche.

[UNC41]

Teams that will trouble the Bears for the rest of the season are ones that can run the ball and pressure the quarterback.

[bothedmbfan]

Hey man, 41's a good duke, lay off.

[RexGrossman]

then whos the guy that yelled at me that rex sucks and all this crap. his username was something to do with a big flock of birds.

[Bron Yr Aur]

Teams that will trouble the Bears for the rest of the season are ones that can run the ball and pressure the quarterback.

Gians: check, and....uh, well....on this occasion, not so much.

[UNC41]

Gians: check, and....uh, well....on this occasion, not so much.

Exactly. Rex looked shaky in the first half. He wasn't stepping into any of his throws. Teams who put pressure on him will have a good chance in forcing a similar situation. In the second half, Rex had all the time in the world and looked great.

[Tiduwho]

Teams that will trouble the Bears for the rest of the season are ones that can run the ball and pressure the quarterback.

So the blueprint for success in the NFL over the past 80 years?

[bartender_man]

what does an off brand window cleaner and rex grossman have in common?

they are both streaky

Ahh no:thumbsdow

[UNC41]

So the blueprint for success in the NFL over the past 80 years?

Yes, exploiting teams' weaknesses is often the blueprint for success.

[Bron Yr Aur]

the Bears did a good job of exploiting the Giants weaknesses tonight, ha....

Well I've got a bit of renewed faith after tonight's game. Rex stayed calm after that awful first interception and played a great game. And the defense and special teams showed once again that they can really make plays despite all of the fumbles. The key to the Bears success lies mostly on turnovers. Grossman could have a shitty game and we could win because of our defense, but only if we don't fumble the ball multiple times in our own half of the field.

[UCFish]

You said it well. As long as we don't create the turnovers in our own zone we will be fine. Our D can stop the long drives. It is a problem though when we give teams the short field. I am in the 1st quarter still of watching the game and boy it started off rough.

[cbotnyse]

face it, the bears suck....the teams they have beaten have as combined record of 23-41....whoopie. cardinals and dolphins have a combined record of 3-13, yet it took a complete implosion by arizona for the bears to beat them, and im sure id ont have to remind anyone about the miami game. the giants have beaten teams with a combined record of 33-31, and play in a harder division. my point? giants are favored on sunday, only by 2 which is a joke, but they WILL BEAT chicago on sunday night. they are the best team in the NFC. THE BEARS ARE AN OVERRATED JOKE.

dude, thats ridiculous....how is ignorant to say a 7-1 record shows absolutely nothing when u play in easily the WORST division in the NFL....the only good team you guys beat was seattle, and that was without Sean Alexander any way.....dude the giants are gonna be without umenyiora, strahan, tuck, arrington, and others on the defensive side, and they are still gonna beat the shit out of the bears....i promise you this.

the giants are giving 2.5 as of today....ill up that and spot the bears a whole 7.5


so lets see what happens sunday night, im going to give the bears 7.5

hahahah Rex Grossman is gonna own the giants defense.....that is pure comedic genious

in the words of the late, great Jim Morrison "you're all a bunch of fucking idiots."

thanks man, why don't you try graduating high school, then get back to me

i cant wait to come back in here Sunday night.I sure didnt see you in here Sunday night.

Maybe next time you come into a Bears thread you can try to have an intelligent football conversation instead of looking like a pompous, condescending asshole, or better yet just dont come back.

[TheOtherside]

Bears.

I don’t want to give Rex a ton of credit because I really don’t think he is anything too special at the moment, but that first interception and the ineffectiveness in general in the first half was due to the offensive line more than anything in my opinion. Rex had a great game but a lot of people are going back to that first interception and saying that it was a terrible throw and that it should have never been thrown in the first place. Did these people not see the two unblocked giants that plowed into him from the backside as he released the ball? My point is that Rex has gotten a lot of flack in the two and half games that the offense has looked less than average but the fact is that our “vaunted” offensive line just isn’t as good as people make it out to be. But like I said, Bears.

[cbotnyse]

Bears.

I don’t want to give Rex a ton of credit because I really don’t think he is anything too special at the moment, but that first interception and the ineffectiveness in general in the first half was due to the offensive line more than anything in my opinion. Rex had a great game but a lot of people are going back to that first interception and saying that it was a terrible throw and that it should have never been thrown in the first place. Did these people not see the two unblocked giants that plowed into him from the backside as he released the ball? My point is that Rex has gotten a lot of flack in the two and half games that the offense has looked less than average but the fact is that our “vaunted” offensive line just isn’t as good as people make it out to be. But like I said, Bears.I totally agree. I admit I am one to jump all over Grossman when he fucks up, like that first interception, but the O-line is alot to blame. It quickly became obvious when we can protect Grossman he can make plays. In my eyes he is still considered a rookie, so he can only get better with dealing with pressure. But when the O-line is on, Grossman is very effective. (and the running game too)

[Tiduwho]

When the pressure started mounting on Eli, guess what happened? Passes not even close to people, random up for grabs throws, and of course interceptions.

Same thing happens to Peyton every year in the playoffs. It's like that for any QB. Just protect Rex, and we will win. I wish Rex could still scramble though...you can tell how hesitant he is to leave the pocket now.

[41ravens]

i remember you.

douche.

hey bud, you can go ahead and go fuck yourself. you were right, it was me giving you shit. you deserve it. it's people like you that make me hate the bears. all you do is spout nonsensical bullshit and never back it up. i can respect the other bears' fans around here cause they at least know what they're talking about. nothing wrong with getting excited about your team, but you just come off like a dumb shit who's got his head half way up grossman's ass. if you want to start having intelligent discussions, that's fine. but all you do is jump into threads and say stupid shit like, "sexy rexy is the man! everyone else sucks!" it makes you look like an ass.

[AFurth]

sexy rexy is the man! everyone else sucks!



oh, and he's a rookie. ROOKIE - making ROOKIE mistakes and showing ROOKIE tendancies. give him 5 years, because he shows flashes of favre (and as much as i hate the packers favre was the man). so everyone calm down - we've got a pretty damn solid team. our weaknesses are the same as any team, but in the first quarter, the Giants were loading the box OFFENSIVELY to disrupt our scheme. worked perfectly, but we adjusted and started executing offensively. if we have the running game going like we did the middle of the 2nd quarter on last night, we're gonna be tough to beat.

[1eyed_jack]

sexy rexy is the man! everyone else sucks!



oh, and he's a rookie. ROOKIE - making ROOKIE mistakes and showing ROOKIE tendancies. give him 5 years, because he shows flashes of favre (and as much as i hate the packers favre was the man). so everyone calm down - we've got a pretty damn solid team. our weaknesses are the same as any team, but in the first quarter, the Giants were loading the box OFFENSIVELY to disrupt our scheme. worked perfectly, but we adjusted and started executing offensively. if we have the running game going like we did the middle of the 2nd quarter on last night, we're gonna be tough to beat.



eh, i wouldn't go that far. is he young? certainly. before this season had he started a seasons worth of games? nope, not even a half season. has he been in the NFL in previous years? you bet

rookie means coming out of college never being involved with the higher level of play. every year in training camp (injuries aside) he practices against one of the best defenses in the NFL. he stands on the sideline and sees the speed of the games in the NFL. he works with coaches and players to adjust to the speed and he has played in games periodically for three seasons before this one. so i wouldn't come close to calling rex a rookie. just cause you haven't played a full season doesn't make you a rookie, it makes you injured. if he's a rookie now then he's got to be the most prepared rookie in the history of the NFL

[41ravens]

yeah, i wouldn't go as far as to call him a rookie. inexperienced, maybe. but he's been in the league long enough to learn how things work. he just needs more real game experience. i'll admit, i don't hate grossman. he shows flashes of brilliance. that throw to muhammad last night was awesome. if quarterbacks like him and romo are the future of the league, i'll be happy. these run first, throw second quarterbacks are starting to piss me off.

[RexGrossman]

hey bud, you can go ahead and go fuck yourself. you were right, it was me giving you shit. you deserve it. it's people like you that make me hate the bears. all you do is spout nonsensical bullshit and never back it up. i can respect the other bears' fans around here cause they at least know what they're talking about. nothing wrong with getting excited about your team, but you just come off like a dumb shit who's got his head half way up grossman's ass. if you want to start having intelligent discussions, that's fine. but all you do is jump into threads and say stupid shit like, "sexy rexy is the man! everyone else sucks!" it makes you look like an ass.


ehhhh. not so much. me acting like rex is god is an inside joke that i have with...myself. i know for a fact i know more about nfl footall than 95 percent of people on this forum because, sadly, i have basically dedicated my life to it. its my passion. deal with it.

i could go into the blocking schemes, defensive adjustments, and all that naughty stuff. but whats the point? to impress people? im not here to impress you.

[Ascf33]

What a game. Giants D blew that one. Grossman has a fucking cannon.

[41ravens]

ehhhh. not so much. me acting like rex is god is an inside joke that i have with...myself. i know for a fact i know more about nfl footall than 95 percent of people on this forum because, sadly, i have basically dedicated my life to it. its my passion. deal with it.

i could go into the blocking schemes, defensive adjustments, and all that naughty stuff. but whats the point? to impress people? im not here to impress you.

if it's your passion, then why make yourself look like you know dick about it? i don't give a shit if you're trying to impress anyone here or not, but if you're so knowledgeable, why not share it every once in a while? to me, you come off as some 12-year old kid who likes the team cause your daddy does. if that's how you want to come across, knock yourself out. but if you want to have some discussions with people, we'd be more than happy to hear what you have to say.

[41ravens]

What a game. Giants D blew that one. Grossman has a fucking cannon.

now, now...don't blame it all on the d. your offense and special teams looked like shit as well.

;)

[The ConMan 3000]

yeah, i wouldn't go as far as to call him a rookie. inexperienced, maybe. but he's been in the league long enough to learn how things work. he just needs more real game experience. i'll admit, i don't hate grossman. he shows flashes of brilliance. that throw to muhammad last night was awesome. if quarterbacks like him and romo are the future of the league, i'll be happy. these run first, throw second quarterbacks are starting to piss me off.

:thumbsup genious.
Go Bears.

[On Bended Knees]

I sure didnt see you in here Sunday night.

Maybe next time you come into a Bears thread you can try to have an intelligent football conversation instead of looking like a pompous, condescending asshole, or better yet just dont come back.

nah you big jerkoff, i was actually AT the game, and if i wasnt i would have been out watching it, not sitting home like a nerd typing away....anyway, i concede, the bears played a GREAT second half, so congrats bears fans....its just kills me how the past two weeks teams the bears played blitzed the shit out of grossman, yet coughlin decides to sit back and put absolutely NO pressure on the QB. thats all everyone at the game was talking about, how the bears blitz like crazy, but Tim Lewis is too big a retard to blitz....and the couple sacks we had were when we sent our corners on a blitz. amazing how everyone sees this, except for the coaches. anyway, im not going to make any excuses ( :cough: injuries :cough:), the bears made the adjustments at halftime and played a hell of a second half.

[davehead86]

now, now...don't blame it all on the d. your offense and special teams looked like shit as well.

;)

Our special teams raped your asshole all night long, maybe not returning the ball to the 40 every time, but Gould is still perfect, and a nice lil feild goal return.

Our offense looked like shiot the first half, but second half Rex played like he normally does, so ill go with half of your statment being true.

[Tiduwho]

Lmao, on Around the Horn everyone but Marrioti is proclaiming that last night proved the Bears are just an "okay" team, and it's really that the Giants quit and the Giants just aren't a good team. And that they had to depend on a fluke field goal return just to win the game. Not to mention the injury excuse as well.

WHAT? They dominated the ENTIRE 2nd half. What the crap? That play was just the icing on the cake.


How can anyone say last night proved they are just an "okay" team, but actually not that good?

[TheOtherside]

Seriously, I bet they just all decided to gang up on marriotti because he's fun to get riled up. Let’s face it though, the Bears aren't going to get any respect until they win a playoff game. A lot of these so called experts are so busy sucking the dick of the collective AFC (hmmm, sort of like the AL ballwashing during the baseball season) that they will write off any NFC team offhand. The funny thing is that experts are rarely right.

[Tiduwho]

Our special teams raped your asshole all night long, maybe not returning the ball to the 40 every time, but Gould is still perfect, and a nice lil feild goal return.

Our offense looked like shiot the first half, but second half Rex played like he normally does, so ill go with half of your statment being true.

ravens41 is a cowboys fan (avatar..) and he was talking to a giants fan.

[Tiduwho]

Seriously, I bet they just all decided to gang up on marriotti because he's fun to get riled up. Let’s face it though, the Bears aren't going to get any respect until they win a playoff game. A lot of these so called experts are so busy sucking the dick of the collective AFC (hmmm, sort of like the AL ballwashing during the baseball season) that they will write off any NFC team offhand. The funny thing is that experts are rarely right.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2659805

Len Pasquerrelli says that last night's game proved that whoever makes it from the AFC should be at least a two touchdown favorite.


It's like the 2nd half doesn't matter to these guys. All that matters to them is the Grossman double hit interception. They are talking like the Bears did nothing but the field goal return.

[41ravens]

ravens41 is a cowboys fan (avatar..) and he was talking to a giants fan.

thank you. i had no idea what the hell was going on there for a second.

[cbotnyse]

nah you big jerkoff, i was actually AT the game, and if i wasnt i would have been out watching it, not sitting home like a nerd typing away....anyway, i concede, the bears played a GREAT second half, so congrats bears fans....its just kills me how the past two weeks teams the bears played blitzed the shit out of grossman, yet coughlin decides to sit back and put absolutely NO pressure on the QB. thats all everyone at the game was talking about, how the bears blitz like crazy, but Tim Lewis is too big a retard to blitz....and the couple sacks we had were when we sent our corners on a blitz. amazing how everyone sees this, except for the coaches. anyway, im not going to make any excuses ( :cough: injuries :cough:), the bears made the adjustments at halftime and played a hell of a second half.disregard my last post, you wouldnt believe the bad mood I was in and I decided to jump on a few of your posts. I hope we can meet again in the playoffs with both teams at full strength.....it could happen.

[davehead86]

ravens41 is a cowboys fan (avatar..) and he was talking to a giants fan.

oops, misunderstanding. Sorry.

Thanx for pointing it out. The comment still tand though just in general now.

[On Bended Knees]

disregard my last post, you wouldnt believe the bad mood I was in and I decided to jump on a few of your posts. I hope we can meet again in the playoffs with both teams at full strength.....it could happen.

its all good...does the NYSE mean you do business on the floor of the exchange?

[davehead86]

its all good...does the NYSE mean you do business on the floor of the exchange?

Just gonna go with yeah since hi occupation is listed as trader. Which is uber cool IMO, what a fast paced job that must be.

[On Bended Knees]

Just gonna go with yeah since hi occupation is listed as trader. Which is uber cool IMO, what a fast paced job that must be.

yea i ask because i work on the floor of the NYSE

[cbotnyse]

its all good...does the NYSE mean you do business on the floor of the exchange?No, actually its the other part of my username, CBOT. Thats Chicago Board of Trade. I am a trader there.

yea i ask because i work on the floor of the NYSEThats cool, I've always wanted to work there. What do you do? PM me if you want.

[saygdbye4134]

thank you. i had no idea what the hell was going on there for a second.


what else is new you stinky bastard.

get your romo loving ass out of here.

[UCFish]

Hester special teams player of the week.

[Tiduwho]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRankings?FSO1&ATT=HCP&GT1=8807

"The Bears beat up the Giants in the rain Sunday night, knocking around New York in typical Chicago fashion. Defense and special teams led the way, as the offense did just enough to ensure a Bears win. The 2006 Bears are beginning to look more and more like the 2000 Ravens as the weeks go by — Brian Urlacher playing the Ray Lewis role; Rex Grossman as Trent Dilfer; Robbie Gould as Matt Stover; and "run-back guy" (Al Michaels' term, not mine) Devin Hester wearing the Jermaine Lewis hat. Can Desmond Clark play the Shannon Sharpe role? Well, I haven't seen Desmond Clark's work as a studio show analyst yet. If he can laugh uncontrollably at things that aren't that funny, well, then yes, yes he can."


Trent Dilfer. Trent fucking Dilfer. How in the world can you compare the way Rex plays in ANY way with Trent Dilfer? God, that's dumb. Ortonball= Trent Dilfer Ball. Rex Ball = Deep balls, heart attack mistakes, lots of TD passes, very few dink and dunks.

The 2005 Bears? Yeah, that was a good comparison. 2006? Not at all really...

[Tiduwho]

And Rex wins playing Ortonball. Lol.


Bears 10
Jets 0


Well this will probably go down as one of the more forgetable games this season. Got another shutout, so that's cool. Should be #1 in points allowed again. Here's an interesting stat:


The Bears defense has not allowed 300 total yards even once this season. That's pretty good. Hopefully San Diego's shellacking of the Broncos will put to rest who the best defense is.

[UCFish]

Hey the Bears won.....again.

[Dancing Ants]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRankings?FSO1&ATT=HCP&GT1=8807

"The Bears beat up the Giants in the rain Sunday night, knocking around New York in typical Chicago fashion. Defense and special teams led the way, as the offense did just enough to ensure a Bears win. The 2006 Bears are beginning to look more and more like the 2000 Ravens as the weeks go by — Brian Urlacher playing the Ray Lewis role; Rex Grossman as Trent Dilfer; Robbie Gould as Matt Stover; and "run-back guy" (Al Michaels' term, not mine) Devin Hester wearing the Jermaine Lewis hat. Can Desmond Clark play the Shannon Sharpe role? Well, I haven't seen Desmond Clark's work as a studio show analyst yet. If he can laugh uncontrollably at things that aren't that funny, well, then yes, yes he can."


Trent Dilfer. Trent fucking Dilfer. How in the world can you compare the way Rex plays in ANY way with Trent Dilfer? God, that's dumb. Ortonball= Trent Dilfer Ball. Rex Ball = Deep balls, heart attack mistakes, lots of TD passes, very few dink and dunks.

The 2005 Bears? Yeah, that was a good comparison. 2006? Not at all really...

Grossman is weak. Too many INTs.

[UCFish]

I will take his 17 TD passes.

[cbotnyse]

And Rex wins playing Ortonball. Lol.


Bears 10
Jets 0


Well this will probably go down as one of the more forgetable games this season. Got another shutout, so that's cool. Should be #1 in points allowed again. Here's an interesting stat:


The Bears defense has not allowed 300 total yards even once this season. That's pretty good. Hopefully San Diego's shellacking of the Broncos will put to rest who the best defense is.Yeah Grossman didnt have a great day, but he had NO turnovers. I'll take that any day. Running game and the defense was on and it was great to watch that. I thought Rex handled pressure well and is getting better at that. Gotta love a New York Sweep. Lets hope we are on for the big test next week.

And San Diego did run all over Denver but I'd be quite concered to face LD with the way our run defense has been playing, that guy is amazing.

[Tiduwho]

Grossman is weak. Too many INTs.


As long as you agree that Eli, Plummer, Big Ben, and Drew Brees are weak. Only Rex has more TDs than all of them.


Rex has had 5 games with no INTs at all. Take out his two off-games and he has 17 TDs to 4 INTs. Yeah, that sucks.


The stigma will continue unabated however. 7 good games to 2 off games. But Rex has already been implanted with the "Which Rex will show up" label.

[UNC41]

As long as you agree that Eli, Plummer, Big Ben, and Drew Brees are weak. Only Rex has more TDs than all of them.


Rex has had 5 games with no INTs at all. Take out his two off-games and he has 17 TDs to 4 INTs. Yeah, that sucks.


The stigma will continue unabated however. 7 good games to 2 off games. But Rex has already been implanted with the "Which Rex will show up" label.

What kind of math gives you 7 good games to two off games? I'll go ahead and assume you are counting Arizona and Miami as off games, but that means you consider Minnesota a good game. To be blunt, he was not good that game. Yesterday was also not a "good" game. He completed 50 percent of his passes for 119 yards and all credit for that touchdown goes to Mark Bradley. He wasn't good, but he wasn't bad.

If you're scoring at home, that's 5 good, 3 bad and one so-so.

[TheOtherside]

leave rex alone. he's sexy. sometimes.

anyway.

Bears v. Pats.

This is the game I’ve been looking forward to all season and i think it will be the toughest test. The pats have lost two in a row at home and they will be under a lot of pressure to get back in the home win column. Honestly, I'm not too worried if the Bears lose this one considering they have the NFC pretty much locked up, but they need to play well. If they get blown out and Rex turns into Wreck again I will have some serious doubts about the playoffs. If they win/keep it close/play well, and Rex has a decent game i will relax a bit. I sort of hope they adopt the same game plan they used against the Jets early on and just pound the ball but set up the play action a little more effectively. This should be fun.

[41ravens]

you know what game i can't wait for? the nfc championship game. dallas vs. chicago. romo vs. grossman. #1 defense vs. #3 defense. now that would be a hell of a game.

[Carbon Copy]

Orton>Rex

[cbotnyse]

Orton>Rex:confused :shrug :eek :thumbsdow :rolleyes :BANG no.

[Tiduwho]

What kind of math gives you 7 good games to two off games? I'll go ahead and assume you are counting Arizona and Miami as off games, but that means you consider Minnesota a good game. To be blunt, he was not good that game. Yesterday was also not a "good" game. He completed 50 percent of his passes for 119 yards and all credit for that touchdown goes to Mark Bradley. He wasn't good, but he wasn't bad.

If you're scoring at home, that's 5 good, 3 bad and one so-so.

Sorry, I miscounted from the get-go as the Bears have played 10 games, not 9. I think my mind was just thinking "9" from 9 wins. That makes 6 good, 3 bad, and 1 so-so for you. Anyways:

Yesterday, he didnt have to, and Ron Turner didn't give him the chance to. It clearly was a game that Turner wanted to work on the run game. He only threw it 22 times all game, and the vast majority were dink and dunk. He normally throws it 30+ times. He threw 4 deep passes the whole day. One was caught, two Rex put on the money and were out and out dropped, and one was overthrown. The gameplan was clearly run run run the ball. Rex didn't play bad at all, so I'll agree with a so-so assessment. In the Minny game, Rex had 2 INTs, but he also had nearly 300 yards and the game winning touchdown pass. Which is what matters, and gives him an "okay..so so" rating in hindsight in my eyes.

My little evaluation only consisted of those 2, good or bad. Just made it simple. Here's a further made one then for you:

GB - Good
Det - Great
Min - So-so
Sea - Great
Buf - Good
Ari - Downright bad
SF - Great
Mia - Downright bad
NYG - Good
NYJ - So-so

3 Greats, 3 Goods, 2 So-so, 2 Downright bad. 6 times on his game, 1 where he was off but still won the game, 1 where he didnt have to, and two downright bad. Simplified, I put any game where helped his team win as "good", and any game where he was leading his team to the loss column as "bad".

So 8 "good" to 2 "bad. Because that is what matters in the NFL and looking at a QB to lead a team. People knock Rex and say that he is what is holding the Bears back from winning and why they are not legit contenders in the playoffs, but in actuality he only held them back in two games out of 10. Just because he didn't put up as flashy numbers in the others, doesn't mean he "held" them back. Which is the stigma that I was intending to break.

That's why I put it as such, to break the stigma that the Bears won't win because you "never know which Rex will show up". Not to jazz up his numbers.


Though, by my definition, you can probably rule out the Jets game and instead just give it a "neutral" as he didn't really "help" them win so much as just let the team do what it had to do. So 7 good and 2 bad [and 1 neutral]. So I'll stick with what I had before, lol.

[Tiduwho]

Anyone willing to grant Rex the benefit of the doubt if he is able to overcome Belichick's no doubt Blitz-Hell gameplan and plays well? Sigh...can't say I'm not worried.

[UNC41]

Anyone willing to grant Rex the benefit of the doubt if he is able to overcome Belichick's no doubt Blitz-Hell gameplan and plays well? Sigh...can't say I'm not worried.

I'm not in here knocking Rex just to knock Rex. Personally, I think he's been good, but not great this year. To mention him among the elite NFL QBs like was being done last night just isn't logical at this point in time. It may be in the future, but not right now. I'm guessing Belichick will have an interesting gameplan aimed at shaking up Rex and am interested to see how he handles it.

Also, I can't think you are looking at Rex without a huge bias if you are considering his performance in the Minnesota game anywhere near good. The Vikings pass defense is hideous and he still struggled.

[TheOtherside]

Also, I can't think you are looking at Rex without a huge bias if you are considering his performance in the Minnesota game anywhere near good. The Vikings pass defense is hideous and he still struggled.

he still threw the game winning td when it was needed though.

[Tiduwho]

I'm not in here knocking Rex just to knock Rex. Personally, I think he's been good, but not great this year. To mention him among the elite NFL QBs like was being done last night just isn't logical at this point in time. It may be in the future, but not right now. I'm guessing Belichick will have an interesting gameplan aimed at shaking up Rex and am interested to see how he handles it.

Also, I can't think you are looking at Rex without a huge bias if you are considering his performance in the Minnesota game anywhere near good. The Vikings pass defense is hideous and he still struggled.

I never hinted at hiim being an "elite" qb, and I wouldn't put him there either. Last night, my post you quoted was solely based on the "stigma" that Rex has been labeled with. Go ahead and read it again if you like....


I gave him an "okay...so-so" for the Vikings game, because he shook off his troubles, and throwing the game winning TD pass. He also threw for 278 yards. He was "losing" the game for the Bears, but then ended up actually winning it.


Outside of those 2 games I mentioned, he's thrown 17 TDs to 4 INTs. Would you rather have a guy who is inconsistent here and there in his first full season, or a QB who is consistently average? 2 TDs and an INT every game, or a bunch of good games and two stat killer games?

I'll take a guy with the potential to be great, over a guy who "you know what your gonna get" from. I'm seen that type of guy my entire life on the Bears. "Game Managers". No thanks, I'm done with them. Just because the Ravens and Bucs did it, doesn't mean that it is a smart model. Dink and dunk nothingness gets you nowhere in this league. The rule takes precedence over the exception.

[DMBZeppelin]

Grossman isn't elite? He's damn near close. He makes mistakes because he's inexperianced. Look at the Jets game! He didn't force anything. He played the role of a game manager. Unlike Orton though who would have thrown for 60 yards. He still had 150. Grossman is only going to get better. This is his first full season. He has 18 (not 17 as said on here. The don't update the stats on players until the next day. So it still said 17 after the Jets game), and 18 is good for 3rd in the league and 1st in the NFC. Only people with more is Brady (19) and Manning (20). They get TDs every game it seems. Drew Brees is considered elite he has 17 TDs and 10 INTs. Grossman has 18 TDs and 11 INTs. With Grossman's INTs mostly coming in huge chunks. Grossman has been great in most games. Grossman is on pace for 3,542 yards 29 TDs and 18 INTs.

[davehead86]

Grossman didnt force plays and didnt rush his game, which turned out to be good. He's gaining those skills, and yes considering this is his first true season playing i consider that he has skills to still learn, apparently EPSN dosent feel the same way.

And the GB was fucking amazing, not just good, cause it was a shutout against the Pack, which any bears fan will tell you is the best win.

Im excited to see what the Bears can do against the Pats, spec since the Jets beat the Pats.

AND looks like the Colts arent invincible after all.

[Tiduwho]

Grossman didnt force plays and didnt rush his game, which turned out to be good. He's gaining those skills, and yes considering this is his first true season playing i consider that he has skills to still learn, apparently EPSN dosent feel the same way.

And the GB was fucking amazing, not just good, cause it was a shutout against the Pack, which any bears fan will tell you is the best win.

Im excited to see what the Bears can do against the Pats, spec since the Jets beat the Pats.

AND looks like the Colts arent invincible after all.

Don't let Pats fans get to ya, but they just did the same thing to the pack only better.


Only because Favre wasn't there though, I swear!

[tofixyou]

Grossman is weak. Too many INTs.

7 were in two games, 1 of which was a win. He's still young and will have a few bad games, just as Tony Homo will eventually, remember he's only played 3 games against bad defenses... Wait till they see a real team.... oh btw the giants arent a real team,

[41ravens]

7 were in two games, 1 of which was a win. He's still young and will have a few bad games, just as Tony Homo will eventually, remember he's only played 3 games against bad defenses... Wait till they see a real team.... oh btw the giants arent a real team,

did you think of that one all on your own?

[tofixyou]

did you think of that one all on your own?


Yeah I did (which I'm sure many others have figured it out as well) and I'll admit it was juvenille, but people look at stats and not games, and it makes them seem unintelligent. I'll take 7 ints in two games and 4 ints among 8 games, than 2 or 3 each over 5 games. Romo's not bad, and not saying he's better or worse than Rex, but he hasn't played in nearly as many games, and also hasn't played a real team.

By the way, whats with a cowboy's fan liking the Ravens?

[41ravens]

Yeah I did (which I'm sure many others have figured it out as well) and I'll admit it was juvenille, but people look at stats and not games, and it makes them seem unintelligent. I'll take 7 ints in two games and 4 ints among 8 games, than 2 or 3 each over 5 games. Romo's not bad, and not saying he's better or worse than Rex, but he hasn't played in nearly as many games, and also hasn't played a real team.

By the way, whats with a cowboy's fan liking the Ravens?

it's referencing the song "raven". i just thought the name "41raven" sounded dumb. little did i know that 4 years later, i'd hate the name altogether. but i've put too much effort into these 9,000-something posts to change now.

and i won't argue either quarterback is better than the other. romo hasn't played that much. but i won't say that he hasn't played anyone. he's played carolina @ carolina and the undefeated colts. i'm not impressed with his numbers so much as the way he carries himself on the field. he doesn't look like someone who's only started 4 games in the nfl.

[SoRight24]

Romo reminds me alot of Jake Delhomme. Not a huge name, drafted in the 6th round.

Doesnt fill up the stat books but just flat out gets the job done.

[DMBZeppelin]

it's referencing the song "raven". i just thought the name "41raven" sounded dumb. little did i know that 4 years later, i'd hate the name altogether. but i've put too much effort into these 9,000-something posts to change now.

and i won't argue either quarterback is better than the other. romo hasn't played that much. but i won't say that he hasn't played anyone. he's played carolina @ carolina and the undefeated colts. i'm not impressed with his numbers so much as the way he carries himself on the field. he doesn't look like someone who's only started 4 games in the nfl.
I need to see how Romo handles some adversity before I know for sure he's the real deal. Rex has been handling it great (IMO). Either way with the weak ass NFC I think Romo and Grossman will be going to the Pro Bowl for years to come. Even though Grossman has been up and down his 18 TDs lead the NFC. Romo looks like he's going to put up big numbers with guys like TO. Then you just have Brees and an aging Hasslebeck (he's 31). McNabb with an ACL tear is a wait and see.

[Tiduwho]

Don't forget Bulger.

[saygdbye4134]

what's this fucking romo talk in the bears thread?


Adam, you have your own thread for your cowboys and that sexy beast romo, so go use it you dirty little slut.

[cbotnyse]

huge test today. How sweet would it be to come out with an east coast sweep! But even if we lose it wont mean much in the standings, as long as we keep it close and play well, I'll be happy.

Note to Rex: remember last week, no turnovers! its a beautiful thing.

[bothedmbfan]

I don't like our chances this week.

It's hard to win on the road, harder to win on the road two week in a row, nearly impossible to do it 3 weeks in a row.

[Tiduwho]

I don't like our chances this week.

It's hard to win on the road, harder to win on the road two week in a row, nearly impossible to do it 3 weeks in a row.

Hey, we did it with Wanny. And we didn't even make the playoffs.

[Dancing Ants]

you guys gotta replace Grossman. he's so bad.

[Dancing Ants]

Romo reminds me alot of Jake Delhomme. Not a huge name, drafted in the 6th round.

Doesnt fill up the stat books but just flat out gets the job done.

he's filling up the stat books right now. should prolly check out a cowboys game.

22-29 passing, 5 TDs on thursday. 19-23 passing against the Colts (beats a 9-0 team after playing 4 games...that should be in some kinda stat book).

[UCFish]

I agree Romo has looked good. Hell Dallas is suddenly the only team that worries me in the NFC.

[saygdbye4134]

you can't blame the whole loss on Rex.

the play calling was absolutely terrible. why go for it all at the end of the game when the guy had already thrown two picks? why?

we ran the ball great yesterday, damn near amazing.

look at the stats, 36 rushes between Bensen and Jones for 171 yards, averaging 4.4 ypc. key stat here: NO TURNOVERS BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM.


look at Rex, 15 for 34, 176 yards and 3 picks.


no matter how bad you want to be a passing team chicago, you ARE a run team.

deal with it. run the ball. pound it home. and throw when you need to. i understand sometimes, you can throw on 1st down and try to make things happen. however, the only thing that is happening right now is Rex has 15 turnovers since the Cardinals game.

[TheOtherside]

you can't blame the whole loss on Rex.

the play calling was absolutely terrible. why go for it all at the end of the game when the guy had already thrown two picks? why?

we ran the ball great yesterday, damn near amazing.

look at the stats, 36 rushes between Bensen and Jones for 171 yards, averaging 4.4 ypc. key stat here: NO TURNOVERS BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM.


look at Rex, 15 for 34, 176 yards and 3 picks.


no matter how bad you want to be a passing team chicago, you ARE a run team.

deal with it. run the ball. pound it home. and throw when you need to. i understand sometimes, you can throw on 1st down and try to make things happen. however, the only thing that is happening right now is Rex has 15 turnovers since the Cardinals game.

concur. i don't know if rex kept on looking off the intermediate routes or if turner really is an idiot and kept calling for home run plays - but either way some one is an idiot. There have been a couple of games this year where I seriously wished Orton was playing again and this was one of them.

[1eyed_jack]

the bears would have won the game had orton been playing.
grossman's thrown as many picks in his last 6 games as orton did that awhole season when he played. not to mention fumbles.

and don't even mention how our offense is better cause frankly we don't need it to be.

i don't care about beating green bay, detroit, seattle, buffalo an san fran by 25+ points, that doesn't matter. these are games that orton could have won as well. only difference is that orton didn't throw as many picks cause they wouldn't let him throw as much. orton wouldn't win you games, but he wouldn't lose them either right now grossman's cost us two

and honsetly, have the bears won any games BECAUSE of rex? i don't think so, i think while he's shined in blowouts, he's hurt the team more than he's helped

[TheOtherside]

the bears would have won the game had orton been playing.
grossman's thrown as many picks in his last 6 games as orton did that awhole season when he played. not to mention fumbles.

and don't even mention how our offense is better cause frankly we don't need it to be.

i don't care about beating green bay, detroit, seattle, buffalo an san fran by 25+ points, that doesn't matter. these are games that orton could have won as well. only difference is that orton didn't throw as many picks cause they wouldn't let him throw as much. orton wouldn't win you games, but he wouldn't lose them either right now grossman's cost us two

and honsetly, have the bears won any games BECAUSE of rex? i don't think so, i think while he's shined in blowouts, he's hurt the team more than he's helped

did you read mariotti this morning i usually can't stand him but he was dead on. if orton plays i think the bears win 12-10. 4 field goals.

[1eyed_jack]

did you read mariotti this morning i usually can't stand him but he was dead on. if orton plays i think the bears win 12-10. 4 field goals.


no i didn't read mariotti. who reads mariotti?

but yeah i agree, 13 points when causing 5 turnovers is pathetic. the bears D should be pissed. I want urlacher to call our grossman

[cbotnyse]

The Great Neck Bearded Orton should not be out there!!! No fucking way. Rex is improving. He is near the top of the league in TDs at 19 and passing yards, almost 2400. The Bears havent had a QB with that kind of production in years and you people are calling for Orton??? unbelieveable.

Yes he has way too many turnovers, but he is getting better. Against the Patroits he just had a few bad passes, they werent stupid passes however. I'll take bad over stupid anyday. He is still very young but he is showing great signs of being a solid QB.

Orton is a tool and a D-bag and is not an NFL QB. Please people dont go flying off the handle. We are 9-2, the best team in the NFC and just hung in there with a AFC powerhouse on the road. please take it easy on the Orton calls.

[TheOtherside]

i want orton to demand playing time so he can showcase his righteous beard more often.

[cbotnyse]

did you read mariotti this morning i usually can't stand him but he was dead on. if orton plays i think the bears win 12-10. 4 field goals.Fuck Moronotti, he is the worst writer in all of sports. Dont ever, ever listen to a thing that Moron has to say. Ever.

[1eyed_jack]

The Great Neck Bearded Orton should not be out there!!! No fucking way. Rex is improving. He is near the top of the league in TDs at 19 and passing yards, almost 2400. The Bears havent had a QB with that kind of production in years and you people are calling for Orton??? unbelieveable.

Yes he has way too many turnovers, but he is getting better. Against the Patroits he just had a few bad passes, they werent stupid passes however. I'll take bad over stupid anyday. He is still very young but he is showing great signs of being a solid QB.

Orton is a tool and a D-bag and is not an NFL QB. Please people dont go flying off the handle. We are 9-2, the best team in the NFC and just hung in there with a AFC powerhouse on the road. please take it easy on the Orton calls.


hey man not to be an ass, but hav you watched the bears this season, grossman is getting WORSE not better. his QB rating has gone down progressively month by month

[TheOtherside]

The Great Neck Bearded Orton should not be out there!!! No fucking way. Rex is improving. He is near the top of the league in TDs at 19 and passing yards, almost 2400. The Bears havent had a QB with that kind of production in years and you people are calling for Orton??? unbelieveable.

Yes he has way too many turnovers, but he is getting better. Against the Patroits he just had a few bad passes, they werent stupid passes however. I'll take bad over stupid anyday. He is still very young but he is showing great signs of being a solid QB.

Orton is a tool and a D-bag and is not an NFL QB. Please people dont go flying off the handle. We are 9-2, the best team in the NFC and just hung in there with a AFC powerhouse on the road. please take it easy on the Orton calls.

I am sort of kidding but i seriously think that if Orton was playing they would have won. But Mariotti has it right, this isn't the time to develop a young QB. This defense is ready to win a super bowl and if they have a guy that can manage the game and still compete through the air when needed (Griese!!!) then they should play him. It’s not fair to this defense to lose games like that. Sure they hung in there against one of the best AFC teams on the road but the fact remains that they should have won. Period. Grossman probably will be a good QB, along the lines of Farvre, although not as good, but the Bears don’t need a gunslinger to take risks down field. They need someone who will not turnover the football and eat up minutes.

[TheOtherside]

Fuck Moronotti, he is the worst writer in all of sports. Dont ever, ever listen to a thing that Moron has to say. Ever.

i don't like him either, but when a man speaks the truth you don't ignore him just because he's a douche bag

[cbotnyse]

hey man not to be an ass, but hav you watched the bears this season, grossman is getting WORSE not better. his QB rating has gone down progressively month by monthI understand that Grossman has not been Mr. Consistency. But in the AZ game, for example, he forced passes that were not there and gave the ball away. Last night, his recievers were there, he just made bad passes. Please name the last QB that has had the production that Rex is having this year. I'm sure niether of us were alive when that happened. His production and potential is there, he just has to limit his mistakes, and that will happen.

He also needs to step up in the pocket and haddle pressure better than he has. you can only improve that by playing. He has only played in about 20 NFL games in his career, so let him take his lumps and get better.

Just dont call for Orton to play, please.

[cbotnyse]

I am sort of kidding but i seriously think that if Orton was playing they would have won. But Mariotti has it right, this isn't the time to develop a young QB. This defense is ready to win a super bowl and if they have a guy that can manage the game and still compete through the air when needed (Griese!!!) then they should play him. It’s not fair to this defense to lose games like that. Sure they hung in there against one of the best AFC teams on the road but the fact remains that they should have won. Period. Grossman probably will be a good QB, along the lines of Farvre, although not as good, but the Bears don’t need a gunslinger to take risks down field. They need someone who will not turnover the football and eat up minutes.The Moron is never right. He writes plain bullshit just to piss people off. This IS the time to develop a young QB. I'll take Rex over a washed up vetern or a neck-bearded d-bag anyday. I am just as frustrated with Rex as anybody, but he has the ability to put up big numbers and move the ball down field. He can only get better with playing time, not benching him.

[TheOtherside]

The Moron is never right. He writes plain bullshit just to piss people off. This IS the time to develop a young QB. I'll take Rex over a washed up vetern or a neck-bearded d-bag anyday. I am just as frustrated with Rex as anybody, but he has the ability to put up big numbers and move the ball down field. He can only get better with playing time, not benching him.


i don't care if he's getting better. he can get better next year. this isn't the year to build a QB, this is the year to win a super bowl.

[1eyed_jack]

in 95 erik kramer threw for nearly 4000 yards, had 29 touchdowns and 9 interceptions

[TheOtherside]

in 95 erik kramer threw for nearly 4000 yards, had 29 touchdowns and 9 interceptions

harbaugh was good occasionally too. Let’s not forget about jim miller, either. If he didn’t get hurt on a bogus play in 2001, I firmly believe he would have led them back to win that game.

[cbotnyse]

i don't care if he's getting better. he can get better next year. this isn't the year to build a QB, this is the year to win a super bowl.so you honestly think Orton is a better option?

[1eyed_jack]

fucking hugh douglas. no penalty but he gets fined :lol

and how about the bogus late hit call yesterday, that's not why we lost the game, but if that's not a patriot call i don't know what is. on the replay the guy running didn't even have a foot out of bounds when he got hit

[1eyed_jack]

so you honestly think Orton is a better option?


at least orton won't lose a game like grossman has done.

and i think griese is the better option, but orton is a convenient reference of someone playing to not lose games and having it work

[TheOtherside]

so you honestly think Orton is a better option?

relax, no one is seriously suggesting that. griese on the other hand...

[TheOtherside]

fucking hugh douglas. no penalty but he gets fined :lol

and how about the bogus late hit call yesterday, that's not why we lost the game, but if that's not a patriot call i don't know what is. on the replay the guy running didn't even have a foot out of bounds when he got hit

true, but the bears got a couple bogus PI calls in their favor and got away with a few face gaurding penalties.

[cbotnyse]

at least orton won't lose a game like grossman has done.

and i think griese is the better option, but orton is a convenient reference of someone playing to not lose games and having it workWell we are gonna have to disagree then. I think Orton is an embarrasment to the team and simply not an NFL caliber QB. And I dont really know what to think of Griese, but I dont think he has the abilty to win games either. As far as not losing games, I believe Grossman will get better.

[1eyed_jack]

they did

it seemed like berrian wanted PI on ever single play :lol

[dmbgodagirl41]

hehehehehehehehehehe

[cbotnyse]

relax, no one is seriously suggesting that. griese on the other hand...OK, but think of it this way. We have a playoff spot locked up so why bench the guy that got you there when all he can do now is gain valuable experinance and get better? He is still very young, so you have to let him get better. I just dont think playing Griese now will get us anywhere. Its a step back, or at least sideways.

[DBTpig5]

So am I and jack the only ones who think that Rex should be benched?

[dmbgodagirl41]

So am I and jack the only ones who think that Rex should be benched?

no, keep him in, so he'll keep losing to teams that are actually good and all of chicago can shut the fuck up :)

[DBTpig5]

OK, but think of it this way. We have a playoff spot locked up so why bench the guy that got you there when all he can do now is gain valuable experinance and get better? He is still very young, so you have to let him get better. I just dont think playing Griese now will get us anywhere. Its a step back, or at least sideways.
That is a good point (posted while I was posted, apologies) Rex just worries me, I mean the Giants were the only game IMO that he stepped up over a good team

[DBTpig5]

no, keep him in, so he'll keep losing to teams that are actually good and all of chicago can shut the fuck up :)
Damn little sour are we;)

[TheOtherside]

OK, but think of it this way. We have a playoff spot locked up so why bench the guy that got you there when all he can do now is gain valuable experinance and get better? He is still very young, so you have to let him get better. I just dont think playing Griese now will get us anywhere. Its a step back, or at least sideways.

grossman will get better, but I really feel like this isn’t the year to worry about developing a QB. This is the year to try and win a super bowl and I really don’t see rex stepping up in a close game in the playoffs - I see him throwing three ints and fumbling once. What has he shown you that leads you to believe he will play otherwise in a big game situation? I don’t know if griese has the ability to lead the BEears down the field to win a game like Brady but he won’t throw ints as much and will manage the game and let the D do what it does.


So am I and jack the only ones who think that Rex should be benched?

I’m getting there.

[cbotnyse]

no, keep him in, so he'll keep losing to teams that are actually good and all of chicago can shut the fuck up :)feel free to jump off the bandwagon at any time.

[1eyed_jack]

we can beat the pats, at least we proved that. there's no doubt the bears lost this game rather than the pats winning it. so that's kind of a positive. but realistically speaking i think starting griese next week could be good for everyone. it'll give grossman some time to think and watch from the sideline and chicago fans will get to see their other option

[dmbgodagirl41]

Damn little sour are we;)

:lol nah, it was just a joke.

[dmbgodagirl41]

feel free to jump off the bandwagon at any time.

I'm sorry who the fuck are you and why are you not aware of my level of fan-age?

[TheOtherside]

I'm sorry who the fuck are you and why are you not aware of my level of fan-age?

i'm sure there is a whole thread for you to brag about your fan-age.

[dmbgodagirl41]

i'm sure there is a whole thread for you to brag about your fan-age.

I'm just saying to not call me some kind of bandwagon fan in terms of the Patriots. If that person actually thinks that, they clearly don't know me and/or they have never paid attention.

P.S. Junior Seau's arm = holy crap that was ridiculous:lorraine

[cbotnyse]

grossman will get better, but I really feel like this isn’t the year to worry about developing a QB. This is the year to try and win a super bowl and I really don’t see rex stepping up in a close game in the playoffs - I see him throwing three ints and fumbling once. What has he shown you that leads you to believe he will play otherwise in a big game situation? I don’t know if griese has the ability to lead the BEears down the field to win a game like Brady but he won’t throw ints as much and will manage the game and let the D do what it does.




I’m getting there.believe me I am just as frustrated with Rex as anyone, but I dot see Griese as a better option. Grossman has shown the signs of being great and leading us down the field. Benching him would just be a step back. You really need to stop reading the Moron, he is getting to you. ;)

[cbotnyse]

I'm sorry who the fuck are you and why are you not aware of my level of fan-age?

I'm just saying to not call me some kind of bandwagon fan in terms of the Patriots. If that person actually thinks that, they clearly don't know me and/or they have never paid attention.

P.S. Junior Seau's arm = holy crap that was ridiculous:lorrainewhoa whoa whoa, I thought you were a Bears fan.

edit. post 1000. :thumbsup

[1eyed_jack]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=4322

those numbers are not bad at all folks, look at his last season where he played a lot, 2004. i would kill for numbers like those

[TheOtherside]

believe me I am just as frustrated with Rex as anyone, but I dot see Griese as a better option. Grossman has shown the signs of being great and leading us down the field. Benching him would just be a step back. You really need to stop reading the Moron, he is getting to you. ;)

i try not to, i really do. i came to this conclusion while watching the game yesterday, Mariotti just mirrored my thoughts. you're right though, using him to back up an argument is not very wise.

so what would it take for you to think about benching him?

to take the heat off of Grossman for a second, what the fuck is Turner thinking going for it all on 1st down with 1:52 to play after Grossman has thrown two ints and has not looked very sharp all game?

[cbotnyse]

i try not to, i really do. i came to this conclusion while watching the game yesterday, Mariotti just mirrored my thoughts. you're right though, using him to back up an argument is not very wise.

so what would it take for you to think about benching him.

to take the heat off of Grossman for a second, what the fuck is Turner thinking going for it all on 1st down with 1:52 to play after Grossman has thrown two ints and has not looked very sharp all game?good point about Turner. I think his play calling was a lot to blame for the last game. A young QB should not be throwing that much on the road against a good team.

Grossman has always bounced back from bad games, so I'm gonna need a few more bad games in a row to call for his head. Yeah inconsistency sucks, but he has always bounced back. Like I said, the pats game was just bad plays and bad play calling, so I dont put full blame on Rex for the loss. I'm expecting a bounce back next week.

[TheOtherside]

good point about Turner. I think his play calling was a lot to blame for the last game. A young QB should not be throwing that much on the road against a good team.

Grossman has always bounced back from bad games, so I'm gonna need a few more bad games in a row to call for his head. Yeah inconsistency sucks, but he has always bounced back. Like I said, the pats game was just bad plays and bad play calling, so I dont put full blame on Rex for the loss. I'm expecting a bounce back next week.

i hope so. if he doesn't i think we will see Griese sooner than later.

[dmbgodagirl41]

whoa whoa whoa, I thought you were a Bears fan.

edit. post 1000. :thumbsup

yeah, cuz if I was a bears fan, I'd want myself to shut up?
Not to mention, what kind of Bears fan would have the avatar and title like I do?


Men. sheesh. :)

[cbotnyse]

yeah, cuz if I was a bears fan, I'd want myself to shut up?
Not to mention, what kind of Bears fan would have the avatar and title like I do?


Men. sheesh. :)yeah I completely missed the avitar. :twak

[dmbgodagirl41]

yeah I completely missed the avitar. :twak

Yeah you best not call me no bandwagon fan, fo' sho! ;)

Oh, and P.S. sorry for yelling at you. I was super crabby this morning; I've been up since 3:00 cuz I had to catch a 6:00 flight from NH to MD today. So yeah, sorry about that :)

[davehead86]

grossman will get better, but I really feel like this isn’t the year to worry about developing a QB. This is the year to try and win a super bowl and I really don’t see rex stepping up in a close game in the playoffs - I see him throwing three ints and fumbling once. What has he shown you that leads you to believe he will play otherwise in a big game situation? I don’t know if griese has the ability to lead the BEears down the field to win a game like Brady but he won’t throw ints as much and will manage the game and let the D do what it does.


Ok i agree with everything but that, its not his call its the offensive coordinators. That guy is the reason that after the whole night of seeing the running game was the only way to win Rex was still throwing bombs that were getting intercepted, and the reason Rex isnt saying fuck you to him is because hes only been in 20 games.



And yeah neither Orton or Greise would be able to bring the bears any farther than Grossman, tha man makes amazing throws consistanly everyone just likes to judge him straight away cause he was inconsistant when he was hurt, and not all the Turnovers were his fault, the snap hit the guys ass before rex even had a hand on the ball etc.

13-5 aint bad in my book for a QB. Give him a break guys.

EDIT: guess i sumarized everyone here. But it still stands.

[Tiduwho]

So can someone remind me how Griese has played in big games and under pressure? Oh yeah, PICK CENTRAL. Come on guys, I know Chicago fans have it in their blood the last 15 years, but curiosity killed the Bear. Griese will NOT, I repeat will NOT lead us to the promise land. We live or die by Rex Grossman. In the playoffs, we will not win playing Trent Dilfer ball. Our defense is not as good as the 2000 Ravens. When we play the Cowboys or any other solid team, we will have to score points.

Griese has been a chokemaster most of his career, sure he can manage and I love that we have him as a backup, but he won't give you much more than Brad Johnson. Don't get caught up in his profeciency of being able to exploit third string defenses in the preseason. Griese has thrown many many 4th quarter picks, and is just as inefficient when playing from behind. It's Rex playing good or one and done. That's how it is.

[davehead86]

I like that. And im gonna stick with it.

We as Bear Fans will live and die by Rex Grossman from now on.


And frankly our defense isnt all that amazing (stated above) while it does work most of the time its not hard to crack, and I have a feeling that next year it will not be enough, so grooming Rex this year is just as important as the Bears working on making it to the Superbowl.

[Tiduwho]

From Rosenusuallyamoronicblog:

Lovie Smith wants to play the quarterback who gives the Bears the best chance to win. Problem is, the same guy also gives them the best chance to lose.

Here’s the problem with arguing for sitting Rex Grossman in favor of Brian Griese: What would you really learn if the backup faced the December JV schedule of the Vikings, Rams, Buccaneers, Lions and Packers, all with losing records? And isn’t that just the kind of schedule you want a rookie quarterback to face? What that does for anyone when you suddenly have to face big-boy football teams in the playoffs, I don’t know.

[fantasia22]

just wanted to say " i told you so" to all bears fans out there..

[UNC41]

just wanted to say " i told you so" to all bears fans out there..

You predicted one win. Congrats on the W, Swam. :thumbsup

[dmbgodagirl41]

You predicted one win. Congrats on the W, Swam. :thumbsup

hahahahhahaha

[TheOtherside]

just wanted to say " i told you so" to all bears fans out there..

f u.

[fantasia22]

i told you weeks ago the bears will be going down against my pats.. and if it wasnt for those other bears players in the refs uniform. the game would have been a blow out..slowly you must be realizing your team couldnt be more overreated

[TheOtherside]

haha

[Tiduwho]

i told you weeks ago the bears will be going down against my pats.. and if it wasnt for those other bears players in the refs uniform. the game would have been a blow out..slowly you must be realizing your team couldnt be more overreated

A blowout? Well if we're playing the "if" game, if Rex doesn't turn the ball over in the Red Zone when they had been marching up and down the field the whole first quarter, Bears are up 10 to 3. Instead, they go down with a 14 point swing. Besides Rex playing 2005 Favreball, our offense did pretty dang good against the Pats D. Both TJ and Benson ran it down their throats all day when they weren't supposed to get anything.

It was a sloppy game that could have gone either way. Play of the game was Brady shaking Urlacher. If Urlacher makes the tackle we're looking at a 3 point game (or even tie) with all kinds of time left.

[fantasia22]

every single pass interference call was complete bullshit. i dont care who your routing for,you saw the replays they were shit calls. and everyone of em took the bears all the way down field.

[Tiduwho]

every single pass interference call was complete bullshit. i dont care who your routing for,you saw the replays they were shit calls. and everyone of em took the bears all the way down field.

2 of them took them down the field. The other was a half the distance 3 yard holding penalty on 2nd down.The first one was bullshit, the second one at least there was clearly contact with the Pats defender leading into him with his forearm, but was definitely debateable.

The first one was clearly a make up call at the time for all of the first half PI no-calls. I can live with the sandwich one, but the one in the end zone? Embarassing. Not to mention Troy Brown's hold at the line, followed by having his right arm on Moose's right hip to get leverage to block the ball down, which is not allowed. Also, the 15 yarder on Manning for "out of bounds hit" when the replay shows that he was only headed out of bounds and not even one foot had touched the white line yet. And not to mention the kicking the ball backwards before a measurement, that's an automatic delay of game. The Pats weren't even whistled for a single penalty until an unabated offsides in the 3rd quarter while the Bears had already had 5 or 6.

You have to admit the Refs were all around shitty. An ever-increasing trend in the NFL.

[fantasia22]

2 of them took them down the field. The other was a half the distance 3 yard holding penalty on 2nd down.The first one was bullshit, the second one at least there was clearly contact with the Pats defender leading into him with his forearm, but was definitely debateable.

The first one was clearly a make up call at the time for all of the first half PI no-calls. I can live with the sandwich one, but the one in the end zone? Embarassing. Not to mention Troy Brown's hold at the line, followed by having his right arm on Moose's right hip to get leverage to block the ball down, which is not allowed. Also, the 15 yarder on Manning for "out of bounds hit" when the replay shows that he was only headed out of bounds and not even one foot had touched the white line yet. And not to mention the kicking the ball backwards before a measurement, that's an automatic delay of game. The Pats weren't even whistled for a single penalty until an unabated offsides in the 3rd quarter while the Bears had already had 5 or 6.

You have to admit the Refs were all around shitty. An ever-increasing trend in the NFL.


the kicking the ball backwards was one of the greatest cheats caught on camera. i loved it

[dmbgodagirl41]

I have to admit......there was nothing funnier than seeing the slowest player in the NFL totally out run the defensive player that is constantly fellated by all of sports. Amazing.

[dmbgodagirl41]

And I agree with Tiduwho...the refs are really teh sucking this year all around. In the bears/patriots game alone, the Refs called two "catches" for the Patriots in that last drive that were clearly dropped balls. If only Tommy hadn't been a huge dope and snapped it before the red flag was thrown :lol

[Tiduwho]

I have to admit......there was nothing funnier than seeing the slowest player in the NFL

Don't be silly, Drew Bledsoe doesn't play for you guys anymore.

[davehead86]

the kicking the ball backwards was one of the greatest cheats caught on camera. i loved it

Thats fuckign bullshit is what it is. The Patriots were acting like fucking babies. And the refs sucked during that game, some of THE worst calls I have ever seen on both sides.

[1eyed_jack]

there was nothing funnier than seeing the slowest player in the NFL totally out run the defensive player that is constantly fellated by all of sports. Amazing.

ok two flaws with this.

1) brady is far from the slowest player in the NFL. in fact speaking in terms of quarterbacks he's not even one of the slowest.

2) how is urlacher "fellated" on when there have been many articles written saying he's one of the most overrated athletes?

[DMBZeppelin]

i told you weeks ago the bears will be going down against my pats.. and if it wasnt for those other bears players in the refs uniform. the game would have been a blow out..slowly you must be realizing your team couldnt be more overreated
LOL! Ya what about the two PI's never called? Like the one on Berrian in the endzone? That should have brought the Bears up to the 1 yard line and they could easily punch it in. The Bears shot themselves in the foot a lot. If anyone was in a position to blow out anyone it was the Bears. They got ZERO pressure on Tom Brady and he just couldn't pick apart our secondary. Some blown coverages by linebackers on 3rd downs were driving me nuts though. Trust me when I say that I'd rather of had the two non-calls on Berrian then the ones that were called.

[DMBZeppelin]

Griese has been a chokemaster most of his career, sure he can manage and I love that we have him as a backup, but he won't give you much more than Brad Johnson. Don't get caught up in his profeciency of being able to exploit third string defenses in the preseason.
THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU!!! I've been trying to tell people this all the time. Lay off Rex because he's our best option by far!! Funny how in the Jets game we had a Brian Griese/Kyle Orton game plan and everyone bitched! Because ya scoring 10 points wont cut it in the playoffs... but HEY NO TURNOVERS!! Anyways a little history lesson for everyone that thinks just because Griese can't throw downfield it means he's efficient:

- First off in Denver Griese was on a very talented team. He had a top NFL O-Line. He had the great Denver running system which never fails (unlike the on and off again Bears running game). He had a very elite tight end in Shannon Sharpe. Desmond Clark was even in the mix there at certain points. Rod Smith is an under rated and very reliable reciever. The man had weapons.

- Lets look at Griese's career TDs and INTs:
1998: 0 TDs and 1 INT
1999: 14 TDs and 14 INTs
2000: 19 TDs and 4 INTs
2001: 23 TDs and 19 INTs
2002: 15 TDs and 15 INTs
2003: 5 TDs and 6 INTs
2004: 20 TDs and 12 INTs
2005: 7 TDs and 7 INTs
2006: 0 TDs and 0 INTs
Total: 103 TDs and 78 INTs

Wait so the great Brian Griese who can tear up and 3rd string defense? The same 3rd string defenses that made Kyle Orton look like Dan Marino in the 05' Pre-season. This great great QB has had ONE great year. So in just three seasons though 2000, 2001, and 2004 has he EVER thrown more TDs then INTs. 2001 wasn't even a huge difference. So this QB who struggled on more talented offenses. This guy who chokes in big games, and is HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE career numbers in the 4th quarter and coming from behind. This same guy who's NEVER won a playoff game. Is the Bears Super Bowl ticket? I just want to put to rest with facts that no one should bring up Brian Griese again.

Also I'd like to note that 9 times out of 10 if Rex Grossman gives you 21 points at Soilder Field you have a pretty good chance at winning (referring to the playoff game last year). He started off slow but got hot at the end. If we didn't have the likes of practice squad CBs Chris Thompson going man to man on Steve Smith and falling down we would have won. Contrary to popular belief we only lost that game by a touchdown. We didn't get blown out. The only reason people were even talking about the Bears being elite was the emergance of the offense... which was started by Rex Grossman. Keep in mind this ENTIRE offense was in place last season. Also Rex has FANTASTIC numbers at Soilder Field this year: 1165 yards, 12 TDs 3 INTs, and a 100.5 QB Rating. If the playoffs go through Chicago will be fine.

[cbotnyse]

Grossman :BANG :BANG :BANG

I have one foot firmly off of the Grossman bandwagon.

[bothedmbfan]

I hate all 3 of our QB's......but Rex get's a majority of it right now.

[Tiduwho]

*shakes head*


I'm dumbfounded. What happened to him? Why won't he throw the checkdowns anymore? The 10-15 yard passes were the bread and butter of the Bears offense early on. Where did they go? All he throws are 5 yard outs that gain nothing, or the deep balls that are terrible.


He's just not the same guy. *sigh*

[bothedmbfan]

Take him out of your avatar....maybe it'll help.

[cbotnyse]

yeah all I can do is shake my head and sigh too....I cant bring myself to say that Griese is a better option though. Like bothedmbfan said, I hate all of our QBs right now......Although this is nothing new as a Bear fan. Just run the damn ball nad let the D do its job.

[bothedmbfan]

I still wish we woulda got Kurt Warner.........damn it.

[bothedmbfan]

Ok, seriously, pull Rex Grossman, because honestly, it can't get any worse than this.

[cityondown5]

Nevermind.

[bothedmbfan]

All I want for Christmas is Kurt Warner at QB.......................What?

[SoRight24]

Kurt Warner for MVP

[PilotC150]

Win or lose, you gotta admit your team is playing a shitty, shitty game today.

I mean, you're barely beating the Vikings right now.

(By the way.....look where I live)

[bothedmbfan]

Kurt Warner for MVP

I said that before everyone found out that AZ doesn't have an offense line.....at all.

[cityondown5]

Win or lose, you gotta admit your team is playing a shitty, shitty game today.

I mean, you're barely beating the Vikings right now.

(By the way.....look where I live)

Our offense is playing shitty. Defense is playing well.

[bothedmbfan]

Win or lose, you gotta admit your team is playing a shitty, shitty game today.

I mean, you're barely beating the Vikings right now.

(By the way.....look where I live)

Defense and Special Teams is playing a good game, offense........damn you Rex Grossman.

[cbotnyse]

Win or lose, you gotta admit your team is playing a shitty, shitty game today.

I mean, you're barely beating the Vikings right now.

(By the way.....look where I live)I admit it. :BANG

[cbotnyse]

Our offense is playing shitty. Defense is playing well.

Defense and Special Teams is playing a good game, offense........damn you Rex Grossman.I dont know, we are giving up a shitload of rushing yards again.

[Tiduwho]

Our defense can't stop the run for shit now that both Tommie and Mike Brown are gone.


The Bears look so incredibly pedestrian.

[bothedmbfan]

I can't see the game, so I'm going by the numbers my fantasy ticker is giving me/

[bothedmbfan]

Our defense can't stop the run for shit now that both Tommie and Mike Brown are gone.


The Bears look so incredibly pedestrian.

Which Tomm ie?

[cbotnyse]

Thank you defense. Brad Johnson is looking as good as Rex today.

[Tiduwho]

RICKY MANNING JR!!!


I'm sure we'll find a way to win this game. But in the playoffs....

[bothedmbfan]

Another INT, I love this D.

[cbotnyse]

Which Tomm ie?Harris, leg injury I believe.

[Tiduwho]

Which Tomm ie?

You know, that Pro Bowl tackle guy? Yeah, he's gone.

[bothedmbfan]

You know, that Pro Bowl tackle guy? Yeah, he's gone.

For how long?(I, again, can't watch the game so I didn't know which Tommie you were talking about.)

[UNC41]

The Bears don't need a quarterback that will win them games. They need one that won't lose them. Rex Grossman is a guy that can lose you games.

[cityondown5]

Wow is Brad Johnson an idiot.

[bothedmbfan]

Wow is Brad Johnson an idiot.

Just figured that out?

[PilotC150]

Wow is Brad Johnson an idiot.

Yes, yes he is. I fear that that just ended the game.

[cityondown5]

Just figured that out?

No, just stating the obvious.

[bothedmbfan]

No, just stating the obvious.

Just making sure.

Also, how long is Harris out for?

[cbotnyse]

Wow is Brad Johnson an idiot.Grossman is really rubbing off on him today.

[cityondown5]

Grossman is really rubbing off on him today.

It might be contagious.

[cbotnyse]

awesome run by Benson for a TD.

[bothedmbfan]

Yessssssss!!!!!

[Tiduwho]

Just making sure.

Also, how long is Harris out for?

Nobody knows. The game is all they've said.

[bothedmbfan]

Hopefully that is all he's out for, because it loks as though we've got this one pretty well in hand.

[Tiduwho]

Mmmmm....safety. Yum.

[bothedmbfan]

Kick arse.

NOw if Griese comesout on the field as opposed to Grossman, I'll be REALLY happy.

[Tiduwho]

Our Defense and Special Teams are amazing.

[bothedmbfan]

They've scored me 36 points so far this week.

[cbotnyse]

Congratulations to the NFC North Champion Chicago Bears. :hump

[malarks26]

Congratulations to the NFC North Champion Chicago Bears. :hump

Good thing your guys defense and special teams are amazing b/c Grossman and that offense have been quite stinky the second half of the season.

How long do you think Grossman will last as the starter before the coaching staff realizes they HAVE to make the move?

[cbotnyse]

Good thing your guys defense and special teams are amazing b/c Grossman and that offense have been quite stinky the second half of the season.

How long do you think Grossman will last as the starter before the coaching staff realizes they HAVE to make the move?yeah Grossman is really dissapointing. The offense is really going nowhere. I think Lovie really wants to stick with Grossman, but I just dont see him lasting much longer.

[SoRight24]

Where's Kyle Orton when you need him?

[malarks26]

Where's Kyle Orton when you need him?

Isn't their backup Brian Griese? I think Orton is the 3rd guy this year. Either way, they need a change from Grossman to someone else.

[SoRight24]

Yeah Griese is their backup.

I was just saying, Orton was their qb in the playoffs last year, and now he's just disappeared.

[bothedmbfan]

Uhhhh, Grossman was the QB in the playoffs last year.

[SoRight24]

Really? I could have sworn it was Orton.

Well then, my mistake.

[saygdbye4134]

grossman was the QB in the playoff game. the only one that they played in last year.


one word for the day today: sloppy.


without that defense, we would have been screwed. grossman needs to get his shit together. fast. it's not something that can be coached or taught, he just has to pull it together, and fast. only 4 games left in the regular season.

[malarks26]

one word for the day today: sloppy.

without that defense, we would have been screwed. grossman needs to get his shit together. fast. it's not something that can be coached or taught, he just has to pull it together, and fast. only 4 games left in the regular season.

It's been the same story the past 3-4 weeks, Grossman and the offense have been non-existant.

[UCFish]

Yay for the clinch. Boo for Grossman.

[Tiduwho]

It's been the same story the past 3-4 weeks, Grossman and the offense have been non-existant.

The run game has been getting pretty good. 240 yards combined against the #1 and #2 ranked run defenses the past two weeks.



We won with 107 total yards.

[bothedmbfan]

And SIX first downs.....to the Vikings 21.......how the hell did we win?

[Play_Like_Fonz]

We won w/ a qb who threw for 34 yrds and 3 interceptions...

[BigE]

Just imagine if our offense was as good as (or even 1/2 as good as) our defense. :rolleyes We continue to win despite Grossman.

[davehead86]

Everyone blams Grossman for every thing. I think the offensive coordinator is making dumb mistakes too, who the hell throws a bomb in the cold on 3 & 2. They need to just run teh ball cause thats how we can win games, when we run we break through eventually and cant be stopped.

As for subbing another QB, fuck that, 10-2 for a reason, Grossman isnt doing atrociously it could be worse, and frankly i dont think Greise could do much better, and theres no fucking way Orton is ready to go back in.

The Bears will live and die by Grossman tis a sad fact, but Grossman will pull it together 4 more games to get out of a slump is plenty, im feelin a second streak second game of the playoffs.

[DMBZeppelin]

Grossman's performance today just sucked. So lets put in Brian Griese... wait that won't work cause the offense would still suck. I've been a Bears fan a long time. Usually we just accept the fact the defense has to win every game. We were always "We need a defensive TD to lock this one up." because with guys like John Schoop and Terry Shea it wasn't looking good. Grossman made both their systems look good by the way. He's also made this current offense look good. Kyle Orton sucked last year with these same guys playing Brian Griese ball.

Grossman is the spark plug in this offense. When he's not on NO ONE is. He makes everything go. If we take him out will be taking a huge step backwards. If everyone wants Griese or Orton then say goodbye to Desmond Clark, Bradley, and Berrian. Grossman is the only deep ball thrower on the team. How effective was Clark with Orton? I'm not saying Grossman won't cost us a playoff game. He just might, but if we win in the playoffs it will be because of him.

[UNC41]

Everyone blams Grossman for every thing. I think the offensive coordinator is making dumb mistakes too, who the hell throws a bomb in the cold on 3 & 2. They need to just run teh ball cause thats how we can win games, when we run we break through eventually and cant be stopped.

As for subbing another QB, fuck that, 10-2 for a reason, Grossman isnt doing atrociously it could be worse, and frankly i dont think Greise could do much better, and theres no fucking way Orton is ready to go back in.

The Bears will live and die by Grossman tis a sad fact, but Grossman will pull it together 4 more games to get out of a slump is plenty, im feelin a second streak second game of the playoffs.

But that's not true. The Bears don't need a QB who can win games, they need one who won't lose them. Grossman simply isn't that kind of QB. Griese may not be able to win you a game on his arm alone, but I think he's much less likely to cause a loss than Grosssman.

[DMBZeppelin]

But that's not true. The Bears don't need a QB who can win games, they need one who won't lose them. Grossman simply isn't that kind of QB. Griese may not be able to win you a game on his arm alone, but I think he's much less likely to cause a loss than Grosssman.
GRIESE HAS 3 AND JUST 3 SEASONS WHERE HE'S EVER THROWN MORE TDs then INTs!!! I posted his career numbers like two pages back. Not to mention that his better days are behind him. Our O-Line protection sucks, and you want to put a slow old QB with a weaker arm? If Grossman doesn't pull it together and they go out and draft or sign a QB. Well that's all fine and dandy. Fact is no one on the roster has more talent QB wise then Rex. That's a fact.

Moose has even said that many times and said he signed with the Bears to play with Rex. Like Lovie Smith "We're not changing. We're 10-2 with Rex as our quarterback." it's not like he's been Orton all year. He's been great at times. Look at the Jets game. They pulled the reigns back on him and he didn't turn the ball over. A lot is play calling. They need to pull it back and run. Then let Rex open it up with the play action that he does so well.

And wow Terry Bradshaw just said about Rex "DO NOT BENCH HIM! DO NOT BENCH HIM!" and Jerry Jones agreed. Then one of the other guys asked "Aren't you interested in what Brian Griese could do?" and they all said No because he'd kill the Bears in the playoffs.

[UNC41]

GRIESE HAS 3 AND JUST 3 SEASONS WHERE HE'S EVER THROWN MORE TDs then INTs!!! I posted his career numbers like two pages back. Not to mention that his better days are behind him. Our O-Line protection sucks, and you want to put a slow old QB with a weaker arm? If Grossman doesn't pull it together and they go out and draft or sign a QB. Well that's all fine and dandy. Fact is no one on the roster has more talent QB wise then Rex. That's a fact.

Moose has even said that many times and said he signed with the Bears to play with Rex. Like Lovie Smith "We're not changing. We're 10-2 with Rex as our quarterback." it's not like he's been Orton all year. He's been great at times. Look at the Jets game. They pulled the reigns back on him and he didn't turn the ball over. A lot is play calling. They need to pull it back and run. Then let Rex open it up with the play action that he does so well.

And wow Terry Bradshaw just said about Rex "DO NOT BENCH HIM! DO NOT BENCH HIM!" and Jerry Jones agreed. Then one of the other guys asked "Aren't you interested in what Brian Griese could do?" and they all said No because he'd kill the Bears in the playoffs.

You fail to mention that Griese's also had just one season where he had more interceptions than touchdowns. I'm not including his first season because he threw just three passes. You can talk about how bad he is and how he's older now, but he looked like a competent quarterback the past two years in Tampa Bay.

If you feel comfortable with Rex as a QB, so be it, but I see him as a guy who can lose you a game. He's got 8 touchdowns and 14 picks in the last seven games and there has been a variety of problems. Last week he couldn't execute and this week he made terrible decisions. For how good the Bears defense is and effective the running game can be, all they need is a QB who isn't going to lose you games. Sure Griese is less talented than Rex, but he is the kind of guy I just talked about.

[TheOtherside]

So I missed the game yesterday because I had to do a family thing (Christmas Carol, wooohooo!) and we eventually wound up at a restaurant in the loop around 4ish and I had no idea if the bears had won or not. So I asked the waiter and he gave me the score and I am feeling pretty good. I'm thinking, 23 points! Rex must have turned it around. Thank god….. I should have known. I get home and see his line, holy shit. I'm sorry, but he's just bad right now. The sad thing is that it is too late to try and go with Griese. The guy hasn’t played since the SF game and that was garbage time. We have to live or die by Rex at this point, and that is depressing as hell. Hopefully they turn real conservative with him these last four games. Just remake the fucking guy. Run, run, run, run. Set up the play action, hit Clark, don’t throw it down the field on 1st down and 3rd and short! I agree with those saying that a lot of Rex’s trouble has to be placed on the shoulders of Turner. He has to get his head fucking straight and realize that Rex isn’t Farve. He’s a mediocre QB with an awesome arm.

[1eyed_jack]

not to mention lovie smith is not a good coach

[Tiduwho]

not to mention lovie smith is not a good coach

So the only type of "good" coach in the league is an adjustments coach then?


Lovie sure had nothing to do with turning Jauron's shit-team into a winner. His system has nothing to do with it, and he's just lucky that Angelo drafted some good players I guess.

[TheOtherside]

not to mention lovie smith is not a good coach

racist.

[1eyed_jack]

So the only type of "good" coach in the league is an adjustments coach then?


Lovie sure had nothing to do with turning Jauron's shit-team into a winner. His system has nothing to do with it, and he's just lucky that Angelo drafted some good players I guess.


he had nothing to do with being be too stubborn to double team steve smith too huh? i don't give a shit what he does during the regular season. he's the dusty baker of football

[TheOtherside]

he had nothing to do with being be too stubborn to double team steve smith too huh? i don't give a shit what he does during the regular season. he's the dusty baker of football

racist

[1eyed_jack]

he's about as exciting as jouron? is that better?

[TheOtherside]

Nice. In both cases, Smith and Jouron, i really think their downfall is their loyalty to their coordinators. Jouron was a good coach, you could never say his teams weren't ready to play, same with Smith, he just trusted Shoop way too much. Smith with Rivera last year in that playoff game, this year with Turner's play calling. You don't need to be Ditka to be a good head coach, but you need to have the balls to question your subordinates.

[1eyed_jack]

yeah, at this point you can't throw downfield with grossman. best case is to go short early in the game and progressively get into deeper throws if the short ones are going well. grossman success is almost 100% based on confidence. he doesn't throw a few bad and then a few good. it's pretty much an all or nothing deal. if he doesn't have confidence there's no way in hell he's completely anything long

[Tiduwho]

he had nothing to do with being be too stubborn to double team steve smith too huh? i don't give a shit what he does during the regular season. he's the dusty baker of football


So he had a lot to do with the cornerbacks inexplicably falling down 10 yards previous then?

[DMBZeppelin]

In both cases, Smith and Jouron, i really think their downfall is their loyalty to their coordinators.
Ya I really wish Smith would wake up and get rid of Terry Shea to... wait... so he's out.... and the guy who coordinates of the best defenses in the NFL is still in... but in if Jauron wanted to keep his job he just needed to fire John Schoop.

[DMBZeppelin]

You fail to mention that Griese's also had just one season where he had more interceptions than touchdowns. I'm not including his first season because he threw just three passes. You can talk about how bad he is and how he's older now, but he looked like a competent quarterback the past two years in Tampa Bay.

If you feel comfortable with Rex as a QB, so be it, but I see him as a guy who can lose you a game. He's got 8 touchdowns and 14 picks in the last seven games and there has been a variety of problems. Las