Da Bears

[crashintonickdm]

big 3rd down, nice nice

[DMBZeppelin]

Thank god Cutler saw that blitz. The guy was free.

[gocubsgo3822]

New Brair Running Back.....still at work?

At fucking work...

Brair unproductive employee

[thebestauntie]

haha not yet at least.
You've got to admit, the odds were in my favor. :lol
another shitty throw.
Your use of that adjective is redundant and/or superfluous. :lol

[gocubsgo3822]

You know the whole Michael Vick thing hasnt worked out to well... He jsut sucks and isnt that fast anymore

Edit: Brair Dog electrocuter

[crashintonickdm]

holding is called way too much IMO. i may sound crazy but i really think it is. let them freakin play, the point is to overpower someone to get to the ball, do whatever thats in reason to stop it.

[DMBZeppelin]

Damnit Kreutz. You suck at snapping the ball. The least you could do is not hold anyone.

[UCFish]

Penalties are dumb .....think Hester was interfered with...

[gocubsgo3822]

holding is called way too much IMO. i may sound crazy but i really think it is. let them freakin play, the point is to overpower someone to get to the ball, do whatever thats in reason to stop it.

I agree. I really think holding shouldnt be a penalty

[UCFish]

You know the whole Michael Vick thing hasnt worked out to well... He jsut sucks and isnt that fast anymore

Edit: Brair Dog electrocuter

Looked pretty good in the 1st quarter.

[gocubsgo3822]

Penalties are dumb .....think Hester was interfered with...

Brair rabbit chaser

[Doors Allan Coe]

Yeah...the Refs are really reaching on that hold...

after they didn't call the interference on Olsen I was under the impression they were going to lat these two teams play.

[gocubsgo3822]

Looked pretty good in the 1st quarter.

LOLOLOLOLOL only saw his passing numbers.. Didnt see the run.. :twenty4

Why do some people have to be so loud. And ask if they can go swimming in a lagoon... :ugh

[crashintonickdm]

michael vick sucks. and he was never good IMO

[gocubsgo3822]

michael vick sucks. and he was never good IMO

maybe this is true... I dont believe it to be but i could be convinced that this is plausible.

[DMBZeppelin]

I think we got a bad spot, but I do like the idea of going for it. We get the ball to start the 2nd half. Lets try to make a statement. We're not going to get back into the playoff chase by being conservative.

[crashintonickdm]

maybe this is true... I dont believe it to be but i could be convinced that this is plausible.

whats good about him? hes a teriffic athlete, but as a pure quarterback? what's so great about him? maybe pocket awareness, which i think his speed kind of makes up for, but thats about it.

[UCFish]

LOLOLOLOLOL only saw his passing numbers.. Didnt see the run.. :twenty4

Why do some people have to be so loud. And ask if they can go swimming in a lagoon... :ugh

some people

what time do u work til

[DMBZeppelin]

Yes we grew some balls!

[gocubsgo3822]

whats good about him? hes a teriffic athlete, but as a pure quarterback? what's so great about him? maybe pocket awareness, but thats about it.

Make plays with both his legs and arm back when. Terrific arm. I really wonder what would have happened if he didnt fuck up his leg that one year and then act like a fucking idiot and go to jail. I think he really would have gotten better. He was getting the hang of it and then he went on the cover of Madden. Also the Michael Vick experience might have been the coolest ride ever.

[41ravens]

damn. props to the bears for going for it.

[Doors Allan Coe]

just please score a TD. this is why we traded for Cutler I thought...

[gocubsgo3822]

some people

what time do u work til

10:30

[gocubsgo3822]

just please score a TD. this is why we traded for Cutler I thought...

There is only one way this will turn out. It will most likely be with Assante Samuel running the other way

[DMBZeppelin]

We're in makeable field goal range. Why try running? Tell Cutler to be smart, and lets try to get that TD.

[41ravens]

dumb.

[gocubsgo3822]

brair gould

[Doors Allan Coe]

who the fuck is cutler throwing to?

I guess it's better than an INT...but come on Baby Jay.

[DMBZeppelin]

Hester wanted illegal contact. I'll rewatch that play after the half.

[crashintonickdm]

Make plays with both his legs and arm back when. Terrific arm. I really wonder what would have happened if he didnt fuck up his leg that one year and then act like a fucking idiot and go to jail. I think he really would have gotten better. He was getting the hang of it and then he went on the cover of Madden. Also the Michael Vick experience might have been the coolest ride ever.

haha. i mean i can throw a football 60 yards, which is not that bad. i'd be pathetic in the NFL though.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Hester wanted illegal contact. I'll rewatch that play after the half.

Earth to Zepp! Earth to Zepp! Cutler just isn't playing good!

[DMBZeppelin]

I think Hester has a case for illegal contact. Ball was just before the 10, and the contact happened right at or after the 5. Hard to tell from the angle.

[DMBZeppelin]

Earth to Zepp! Earth to Zepp! Cutler just isn't playing good!
What does that have to do with what Hester was yelling about? Cutler has been making bad throws, but he threw that ball before the Eagles player got a jam on Hester. I think Cutler is playing bad, but not because of that throw.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Well no interceptions in the Red Zone... thank gos. that is an upgrade.

[rickyh24]

I'm pretty sure Cutler is just not that good.

[Doors Allan Coe]

What does that have to do with what Hester was yelling about? Cutler has been making bad throws, but he threw that ball before the Eagles player got a jam on Hester. I think Cutler is playing bad, but not because of that throw.

I'm just breaking your stones. You are just so fast to deflect scrutiny from Cutler it's funny.

[skatcat]

Whoever signed Cutler should be fired. He's terrible! I couldve hit both of those throws in the first half for TDs....both being wide open. Is hard to be a Bears fan with that guy behind center.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Whoever signed Cutler should be fired. He's terrible! I couldve hit both of those throws in the first half for TDs....both being wide open. Is hard to be a Bears fan with that guy behind center.

Actually it feels good to a guy with a decent are and ability. He's playin like shit, but as a Bears fan I can visually see a difference in his overall ability. Give him time. the Bears aren't too far away from having a potent offense.

[DMBZeppelin]

I'm just breaking your stones. You are just so fast to deflect scrutiny from Cutler it's funny.
Cutler has been bad. Some of your comments that he's like Rex and stuff are crazy. When Rex was bad we had no chance in that game unless Hester returned some. Cutler minus the Cards and Bengals game has had a chance to win us games. He's mostly failed.

What things do you have issue with? That our play calling sucks? That we setup the run game and pass game for failure? I'm also curious to see if we get a lead if the Eagles can stop Bell. If he continues to look good... what does that mean about Forte? I though Forte could be Westbrook-Lite. He's got the passing stuff down, but sucks at running.

Whoever signed Cutler should be fired. He's terrible! I couldve hit both of those throws in the first half for TDs....both being wide open. Is hard to be a Bears fan with that guy behind center.
He wasn't signed. We traded for him.

[DMBZeppelin]

Dungy says Cutler is scared of throwing INT's. He did call him a good QB though. I thought Dungy didn't like Cutler? I'm confused.

[Doors Allan Coe]

I think that is the 1st time I heard Dungy call Cutler a good QB

[TwoStep2888]

Whoever signed Cutler should be fired. He's terrible! I couldve hit both of those throws in the first half for TDs....both being wide open. Is hard to be a Bears fan with that guy behind center.

Eh, I think Cutler's overrated, but I think it was a good decision by Chicago. Talent-wise, Cutler's one of the better QBs in the league. He's dumb as a rock and makes terrible decisions all the time, but he's much more naturally talented than basically anyone Chicago's ever had. If he can get a decent head on his shoulders and actually make good decisions and not force the ball into retarded places all the time, he can be amazing, and the Bears' offense can be quite dangerous.

[DMBZeppelin]

Actually it feels good to a guy with a decent are and ability. He's playin like shit, but as a Bears fan I can visually see a difference in his overall ability. Give him time. the Bears aren't too far away from having a potent offense.
I agree that Cutler could be really good for us, but do you really think we'll attempt to build an offense around him?

[TwoStep2888]

I agree that Cutler could be really good for us, but do you really think we'll attempt to build an offense around him?

Probably.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Dungy says Cutler is scared of throwing INT's. He did call him a good QB though. I thought Dungy didn't like Cutler? I'm confused.

Ha... I was thinkin the same thing.

[skatcat]

He wasnt good in Denver, and to me he hasnt been good in Chicago. He's had flashes of being good, but geesh i've never seen such inaccuracy in my life...and not just in this game. How many INTS this year? whew!

[Doors Allan Coe]

I agree that Cutler could be really good for us, but do you really think we'll attempt to build an offense around him?

well, they are a couple of linemen away from being much better...and maybe a veteran WR and a bruiser #2 back...

In the past we were several WRs, a couple O-linemen, and a QUARTERBACK away from possibly being potent...

[DMBZeppelin]

He wasnt good in Denver, and to me he hasnt been good in Chicago. He's had flashes of being good, but geesh i've never seen such inaccuracy in my life...and not just in this game. How many INTS this year? whew!
How was he not good in Denver? He went to the Pro Bowl in the AFC.

[DMBZeppelin]

well, they are a couple of linemen away from being much better...and maybe a veteran WR and a bruiser #2 back...

In the past we were several WRs, a couple O-linemen, and a QUARTERBACK away from possibly being potent...
We need a real left tackle, but I do like how they've held up so far tonight. Cutler has had to escape a sack a couple of times, but he has had time to throw.

[Doors Allan Coe]

they need to take the WR Screen to Hester out of the playbook for a few weeks...

[DMBZeppelin]

Has the Hester screen gained any yards at all this year?

[crashintonickdm]

Has the Hester screen gained any yards at all this year?

you need a bigger reciever running that route so he can break tackles.

[UCFish]

they need to take the WR Screen to Hester out of the playbook for a few weeks...

agreed

[Tiduwho]

He wasnt good in Denver, and to me he hasnt been good in Chicago. He's had flashes of being good, but geesh i've never seen such inaccuracy in my life...and not just in this game. How many INTS this year? whew!

Where were you the past 15 years? :ugh

[crashintonickdm]

eagles need to just take the wildcat out back and shoot it. no pun intended.

[Doors Allan Coe]

...3rd and 11...LUCKY DROP!!

[myersk27]

Has the Hester screen gained any yards at all this year?

has it done anything productive ever? seriously...they just need to never run it again

[DMBZeppelin]

I'm scared of what this penalty might be.

[DMBZeppelin]

has it done anything productive ever? seriously...they just need to never run it again
It be nice if Cutler checked to it against an all out blitz, or if they stack the box against the run. Why are we using it when they playing the pass?

[myersk27]

i want a Kahlil Bell jersey....that guy runs like he actually cares....nice to see

[UCFish]

11 yard kick after penalty....nice.

[myersk27]

It be nice if Cutler checked to it against an all out blitz, or if they stack the box against the run. Why are we using it when they playing the pass?

i don't understand a lot of things the Bears do/don't do....you are correct

[myersk27]

how many times do i have to hear about Cutler and Bennett being teammates at Vanderbilt....seriously

[rickyh24]

Wow got lucky there.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

Wow we suck........I can barely watch.

[rickyh24]

24 passes for 89 yards :lol

[myersk27]

for how bad they are playing....it amazes me that they are now winning

[DMBZeppelin]

Bears lead!!!!!

[Doors Allan Coe]

Robbie Gould...MVP

[gocubsgo3822]

Brair Goukd strikes again

[myersk27]

24 passes for 89 yards :lol

it's pretty pathetic

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

Gould and Cutler are the only two players the Bears shouldn't just murder.

[myersk27]

Robbie Gould...MVP

:thumbsup:thumbsup

[Doors Allan Coe]

I guess I should be happy we have the lead...if we win we are actually still in the Wild Card hunt...even thought we have the Queens next week.

[myersk27]

yeah, next week could be ugly

[DMBZeppelin]

We must be running the magic blitz play. We're sending more players then they have blockers, and it's working. Usually everyone still gets blocked.

[Doors Allan Coe]

...3rd and 13....STOP!!

not bad D not bad.

[myersk27]

good job D

[UCFish]

I do not understand how we r winning.

[DMBZeppelin]

I do not understand how we r winning.
We're not turning the ball over, the defense is getting stops.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Cutler looks confused...

[UCFish]

offense looks lost.

[UCFish]

We're not turning the ball over, the defense is getting stops.

that works...

[DMBZeppelin]

Cutler looks confused...
There's only two things that could of happened on that play. Knox stopped running his route, or Cutler thought they were running a different play. Figures that for a few weeks we could move the ball, but the defense sucked. Now the defense is holding its own and Cutler sucks.

[Doors Allan Coe]

There's only two things that could of happened on that play. Knox stopped running his route, or Cutler thought they were running a different play. Figures that for a few weeks we could move the ball, but the defense sucked. Now the defense is holding its own and Cutler sucks.

thanks for the jinx zepp...thanks for the jinx

[DMBZeppelin]

I have no faith in this team to come back. We're not even down by a full touchdown.

[Doors Allan Coe]

touchdown eagles...

[crashintonickdm]

eagles live and die by the big play.

[1eyed_jack]

defense sucked on that play.

cutler is horrible today. i don't know how much you can blame on the line. other teams have bad lines too, but cutler is one of the worst quarterbacks in the league. if it wasn't for some historically bad QBs this year cutler would be bottom 5 for sure

[gocubsgo3822]

i wish we could draft a DB.... oh wait....

[DMBZeppelin]

cutler is horrible today. i don't know how much you can blame on the line.
The line has been pretty decent tonight.

[Doors Allan Coe]

good return...here we go...

[DMBZeppelin]

Cutler is drawing up plays now? Has Turner lost faith in himself?

[Doors Allan Coe]

forte for a positive rush...amazing

[gocubsgo3822]

offense!

[crashintonickdm]

immediate answer.

[gocubsgo3822]

Td!!!!!!!

[DMBZeppelin]

Wow I thought the throw was going to get screwed up by the hit he took.

[UCFish]

That looked good.

[1eyed_jack]

its about time. nice pass.

actually accepted he was gonna get hit and threw the ball instead of panicking he threw the damn thing

[Doors Allan Coe]

wow td and 2...

[gocubsgo3822]

Brair TD

[DMBZeppelin]

I don't get how we make it look so easy on this drive? Cutler offense FTW?

[gocubsgo3822]

Wow I thought the throw was going to get screwed up by the hit he took.

I was almost positive it was gonna be a pick

[Tiduwho]

That Shaw guy can fuckin bring it!!


Jacked his ass UP!!!

[crashintonickdm]

eagles defense stinks after getting a go ahead score

[gocubsgo3822]

OMG!!! Whata fucking hit

[DMBZeppelin]

Tim Shaw #58 is the guy we signed when Urlacher went on IR. First time I remember seeing him.

[Tiduwho]

Alex Brown GREAT DEFENSE on that screen.

[gocubsgo3822]

I havent seen Gaines Adams yet? Has he played a down

[DMBZeppelin]

Wow Brown going right at Peters. That's impressive.

[DMBZeppelin]

I havent seen Gaines Adams yet? Has he played a down
Many downs, and they've showed him several times. A couple they show him unable to get by Peters. I don't know how you missed him.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Peanut!!!

[DMBZeppelin]

Damnit the Tillman special went out of bounds.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Tripping!!!

[Tiduwho]

They actually called something on them, phew.

[DMBZeppelin]

What a good open field tackle by Graham. If he misses that it could have been a big play.

[Tiduwho]

I havent seen Gaines Adams yet? Has he played a down

Really? They keep showing replay after replay of him getting manhandled with Collinsworth saying how he hasn't added anything at all to the Bears D since they traded for him...

[gocubsgo3822]

Many downs, and they've showed him several times. A couple they show him unable to get by Peters. I don't know how you missed him.

just got home from work

[DMBZeppelin]

just got home from work
He's #99 I'm sure you'll see him sooner then later.

[gocubsgo3822]

Good job D :thumbsup

[DMBZeppelin]

I hope we don't come out and just run. Lets keep that offense from the last drive going.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

Cutler has over thrown a lot of people this game....

[DMBZeppelin]

Good punt.

[gocubsgo3822]

I dont know how i feel about our QB

[Doors Allan Coe]

Maynard, Gould, and Tillman 4 Pro Bowl!

[Doors Allan Coe]

Tillman again?>Q!?!?!?!

[gocubsgo3822]

Awesome

[DMBZeppelin]

Peanut is amazing.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

Kickass!!!!

[DMBZeppelin]

Forte could have had so many more yards if he doesn't go ahead of his blocker.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

yikes

[Tiduwho]

Honestly, when's the last time Gould actually missed a FG?


He only gets them blocked....

[crashintonickdm]

meaningless turnover.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

Honestly, when's the last time Gould actually missed a FG?


He only gets them blocked....

aint that the truth, only misses when their blocked.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

meaningless turnover.

yet another chance to score and a fail.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

here comes TD.

[DMBZeppelin]

We suck again!

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

Good Job D.

[gocubsgo3822]

Turrible

[DMBZeppelin]

Damn refs.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

anotherrrrrrrrrrrrr overrrrrrrrr thrrrrrrrow.

[DMBZeppelin]

Damnit Pace. Damnit Cutler. Damnit our sucking.

[gocubsgo3822]

fuck

[gocubsgo3822]

fucking inches

[DMBZeppelin]

We should challenge the spot. Might as well.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

1st down. bearsseasonover.

[DMBZeppelin]

I mean if we were going to burn out timeouts anyways. The challenge is a timeout if you lose. Now we can't challenge anyways.

[gocubsgo3822]

But if we challenge and lose the challenge, does the clock stop or not?

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

oh man...here we go.

[gocubsgo3822]

Big fucking stop. This is what we pay Cutler for....

[DMBZeppelin]

But if we challenge and lose the challenge, does the clock stop or not?
Good point. I was being stupid. I'm almost positive the clock keeps going.

[DMBZeppelin]

I'm glad we have a chance to win the game, but I'm not a believer of this offense.

[UCFish]

ok game time.....

[DMBZeppelin]

What a lame call.

[TwoStep2888]

1st down. bearsseasonover.

11/29 - @ Vikings L
12/06 - vs Rams W
12/13 - vs Packers W
12/20 - @ Ravens L
12/28 - vs Vikings L
01/03 - @ Lions W

that's my prediction. Depending on whether Cutler can pull this bullshit off, you'll probably either be 8-8 or 7-9.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

bearsseasonover.

[DMBZeppelin]

Typical Cutler, typical Bears.

[UCFish]

Cutler pick game.

[gocubsgo3822]

Bears FTL

[rickyh24]

Savior fail.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

At least we got to see Hester's ass.

[1eyed_jack]

well, cutler's QB rating drops lower now, and Forte's YPC is quickly approaching under 3

[DMBCubs25]

Bring back McNown!

[MPizzle06]

At least we got to see Hester's ass.

:lol:lol that was pretty hilarious

[DMBZeppelin]

Bell had 4 carries for 81 yards.

[jackisback24]

thank you, Cutler for sucking. I'm still in my office pool running for the week!!!:bounce

[jackisback24]

At least we got to see Hester's ass.


Talk about Twilight: New Moon!:lol

[MPizzle06]

Talk about Twilight: New Moon!:lol

:lol zing!!

[Tiduwho]

At least we got to see Hester's ass.

:thumbsup

[TwoStep2888]

At least we got to see Hester's ass.

lololololololololololol (http://i50.tinypic.com/2q8wo4x.jpg)

[DMBZeppelin]

The 72-yard run by Kahlil Bell was the longest by a rookie on his 1st NFL carry since Alan Ameche had a 79-yarder in 1955.

[DMBZeppelin]

Apparently the 72-yard run was the longest by a Bear since Neal Anderson had a 73-yard run vs. Green Bay Dec. 17, 1989.

[TwoStep2888]

It was a good run.

[DMBZeppelin]

Watched the post game on Comcat. Jim Miller wasn't too high on Cutler obvioulsy. He did say everything Cutler is doing wrong is correctable. He said the over throws to Hester and Olsen were caused by bad footwork. He went over some other stuff as well. Kind of makes me scared because I don't think Pep Hamilton and Turner will do this stuff.

[VanHorneDog]

lololololololololololol (http://i50.tinypic.com/2q8wo4x.jpg)

wow, i need to see video of that. what did he do run off the field with his jersey over his ass? :lol

[MPizzle06]

Watched the post game on Comcat. Jim Miller wasn't too high on Cutler obvioulsy. He did say everything Cutler is doing wrong is correctable. He said the over throws to Hester and Olsen were caused by bad footwork. He went over some other stuff as well. Kind of makes me scared because I don't think Pep Hamilton and Turner will do this stuff.

I agree with this. He doesn't step into those bombs. Just because his arm is strong enough doesn't mean he shouldn't use correct form and footwork :shrug

[DMBZeppelin]

- Bears offense has been in red zone 33 times. Opposing teams have been in red zone 33 times vs Bears. Bears outscored by 50 inside red zone

- Jay Cutler has attempted a pass with the lead just 49 times this year. 332 of his attempts have come with Bears tied or behind.

[skwormin]

we suck

[Doors Allan Coe]

Rex Cutler?

[myersk27]

11/29 - @ Vikings L
12/06 - vs Rams W
12/13 - vs Packers W
12/20 - @ Ravens L
12/28 - vs Vikings L
01/03 - @ Lions W

that's my prediction. Depending on whether Cutler can pull this bullshit off, you'll probably either be 8-8 or 7-9.

i don't know....i actually think they might lose to Detroit in Detroit....and lose at home to Green Bay.....and i think the Rams game will be tougher than expected

[Doors Allan Coe]

Would we have a better record with Orton AND a #1 draft pick?

It seems quite possible.

[myersk27]

Would we have a better record with Orton AND a #1 draft pick?

It seems quite possible.

maybe. but i still think Cutler has more potential than Orton....i just hope his potential eventually translates into winning games....

[Jake]

I watched that whole game with great interest, because I think Jay Cutler & Jeff George are the same person.

Not only does he have horrible footwork, but he locks on receivers so early he tips most of his downfield passes. and when Forte lines up wide or goes in motion out to a flanker, the defense might as well not cover him. He won't even look to that side of the field.

He's just a very poor qb.

[Doors Allan Coe]

I watched that whole game with great interest, because I think Jay Cutler & Jeff George are the same person.

Not only does he have horrible footwork, but he locks on receivers so early he tips most of his downfield passes. and when Forte lines up wide or goes in motion out to a flanker, the defense might as well not cover him. He won't even look to that side of the field.

He's just a very poor qb.

Well, in Cutler defense he is playing in a terrible system. The playbook is dumbed down. In fact, it seems like they have so few plays they repeat bad ones, like the Hester bubble screen, over and over.

While he's thrown a ton is INTs and mistakes he clearly has a rocket arm and a competitive nature. I'm not sold that with a different OC and QB Coach he couldn't turn the corner rather easily. He has a stopgap O-line, short WRs, and a terrible running game.

Even though the season looks all but over, I'm still looking forward watching Jay Cutler. Maybe if he didn't put so much mustard on the ball I wouldn't like him so much.

[Bron Yr Aur]

Cutler was overthrowing everyone last night. We really could've used a touchdown on one of those two plays where he overthrew Hester and Olsen.

However, we threw the ball 40+ times yet again. What can people really expect? Not only that, but his 24 completions were for 171 yards. All we can complete are short passes it seems, or those are the only plays that are called. Even when we get down to 2 minutes to go and a long field, Turner has us running 5 yard passing routes. They only went ~20ish yards in over a minute during the end of that game before the pick. It's so damn frustrating to watch this crap.

[DMBZeppelin]

Would we have a better record with Orton AND a #1 draft pick?

It seems quite possible.
No because Orton would have gotten killed. He can't run around like Cutler can. So we'd probably lead the league in sacks given up. Though maybe we win last night because the O-line had one of its better games.

[Bron Yr Aur]

No because Orton would have gotten killed. He can't run around like Cutler can. So we'd probably lead the league in sacks given up. Though maybe we win last night because the O-line had one of its better games.

Eh, Cutler looked positively Orton-esque at times in that game. He really was overthrowing guys like Orton did a lot in the second half of last season.

Our running game really is odd, though. That 72-yarder was really nice, but we need to break guys loose for 10+ yard runs more often than twice a year. Forte is a thousand yard rusher on almost any other team. I mean, he's not a good power back at all, but he can put some great moves on defensive players if he gets any space.

[JTRocks]

i dont care what you fellow bears fans think of me, but i really would rather see this team lose out the rest of the schedule, at least then, maybe the ownership will feel the pressure to clean house on this whole coaching staff.

[1eyed_jack]

orton never threw 18 picks in a season and never once looked like a spoiled brat when things weren't going his way

[monkeyman420]

i dont care what you fellow bears fans think of me, but i really would rather see this team lose out the rest of the schedule, at least then, maybe the ownership will feel the pressure to clean house on this whole coaching staff.
I still don't think that will change anything. Lovie is owed $11 million for the next 2 years. There is nothing the organization has done to make me think they will pay Lovie off and then hire a bonafide head coach. Because if they actually bring in a head coach, which is something they have never done, they're going to have to pay big bucks to that coach. I don't see ownership making a move like that. Plus, there's Angelo to consider as well. I have no idea what he's making, but if you bring in a coach like Cowher or Shanahan then Angelo has to go as well. I don't see the organization paying off the GM and current head coach to bring in a new coach and GM. No matter how poorly the team performs the rest of the year. I think the most likely scenario is that most of the offensive coaches will be gone after this season and Lovie will be back next year.

[Doors Allan Coe]

I still don't think that will change anything. Lovie is owed $11 million for the next 2 years. There is nothing the organization has done to make me think they will pay Lovie off and then hire a bonafide head coach. Because if they actually bring in a head coach, which is something they have never done, they're going to have to pay big bucks to that coach. I don't see ownership making a move like that. Plus, there's Angelo to consider as well. I have no idea what he's making, but if you bring in a coach like Cowher or Shanahan then Angelo has to go as well. I don't see the organization paying off the GM and current head coach to bring in a new coach and GM. No matter how poorly the team performs the rest of the year. I think the most likely scenario is that most of the offensive coaches will be gone after this season and Lovie will be back next year.


Exactly.

I really don't see Lovie OR Angelo being fired after this season. Chicago just made its biggest trade in years, if not ever. They just traded our 2nd round pick for a project DE. If would be foolish for FIRE Lovie and JA. Trading for Cutler made it clear Angelo wants a winner. While our D hasn't been amazing they've been on the field for the better part of the last 5 years. Offense isn't Lovie's strong suit we've know since before he was hired.

Firing Lovie would be totally irrational. Jay Cutler has throw the GAME LOSING interception THREE times during Nationally Televised games. Chicago is 4-6...or 7-3 if Cutler and the O could win games. They aren't firing Cutler...they will fire Turner, the QBs coach, the line-coach, the WR coach, ANYBODY but Lovie, Cutler and Angelo...

Gutting the offensive coaching staff and evaluating the Defensive staff is a better idea. Not starting from scratch because Jay Cutler was supposed to be some HERO. He's always thrown a ton of INTs. Last year the D was losing us games in the 4th quarter...this year the O isn't winning us games when when they could.

[JTRocks]

Exactly.

I really don't see Lovie OR Angelo being fired after this season. Chicago just made its biggest trade in years, if not ever. They just traded our 2nd round pick for a project DE. If would be foolish for FIRE Lovie and JA. Trading for Cutler made it clear Angelo wants a winner. While our D hasn't been amazing they've been on the field for the better part of the last 5 years. Offense isn't Lovie's strong suit we've know since before he was hired.

Firing Lovie would be totally irrational. Jay Cutler has throw the GAME LOSING interception THREE times during Nationally Televised games. Chicago is 4-6...or 7-3 if Cutler and the O could win games. They aren't firing Cutler...they will fire Turner, the QBs coach, the line-coach, the WR coach, ANYBODY but Lovie, Cutler and Angelo...

Gutting the offensive coaching staff and evaluating the Defensive staff is a better idea. Not starting from scratch because Jay Cutler was supposed to be some HERO. He's always thrown a ton of INTs. Last year the D was losing us games in the 4th quarter...this year the O isn't winning us games when when they could.

I totally understand the situation, and i know this organization rarely, if ever, buys people out of contracts, especially an 11 mill one like lovies.

but lets say somehow the mccaskeys came to you and asked what you want to do, and whatever your answer was, they would do it. would you keep lovie and JA over bringing in a shanahan or cowher and letting them run the show?

[monkeyman420]

I totally understand the situation, and i know this organization rarely, if ever, buys people out of contracts, especially an 11 mill one like lovies.

but lets say somehow the mccaskeys came to you and asked what you want to do, and whatever your answer was, they would do it. would you keep lovie and JA over bringing in a shanahan or cowher and letting them run the show?
If we are living in fantasy land then yes, I'd tell the McCaskey's to fire Lovie and Angelo and bring in one of Shanahan or Cowher and let them run the show, no matter the cost. However, we don't live in fantasy land, we live in the real world. And living in the real world and being a Bear fan for almost all 33 years of my existence, I know the Bears will never ever make a move like that as long as the McCaskey's own the Bears.

[Doors Allan Coe]

I totally understand the situation, and i know this organization rarely, if ever, buys people out of contracts, especially an 11 mill one like lovies.

but lets say somehow the mccaskeys came to you and asked what you want to do, and whatever your answer was, they would do it. would you keep lovie and JA over bringing in a shanahan or cowher and letting them run the show?

If we are living in fantasy land then yes, I'd tell the McCaskey's to fire Lovie and Angelo and bring in one of Shanahan or Cowher and let them run the show, no matter the cost. However, we don't live in fantasy land, we live in the real world. And living in the real world and being a Bear fan for almost all 33 years of my existence, I know the Bears will never ever make a move like that as long as the McCaskey's own the Bears.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind that. Both are good coaches but what are the odds they top their past accomplishments? Lovie isn't a genius by any means. We could do a lot worse than Angelo and Lovie.

In the past they have been quite reserved. It's not like the McCaskeys are screaming "just win baby!" They've been around a while and led us to a Super Bowl which has happened ONE other time in franchise history. They BOTH understand they NEED to improve next season. The Cutler trade insinuates a sense of urgency. The trade for Adams makes it almost seem like they would rather gamble on a former top 5 pick than draft a decent player for the future.

I truly expect Angelo to be active in free agency. What other choice does he have? With no picks and a bad record the only way to make this team better is during free agency... check out who could be hitting the market...

Cadillac Williams, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (27)
Darren Sproles, San Diego Chargers (26)
Leon Washington, New York Jets (27)

Vincent Jackson, San Diego Chargers (26)
Brandon Marshall, Denver Broncos (25)
Braylon Edwards, New York Jets(26)
Terrell Owens, Buffalo Bills (35)

Logan Mankins, New England Patriots (27)
Jahri Evans, New Orleans Saints (26)

Julius Peppers, Carolina Panthers (29)
Elvis Dumervil, Denver Broncos (25)
Aaron Kampman, Green Bay Packers (29)
Derrick Burgess, New England Patriots (31)

Vince Wilfork, New England Patriots (27)
Richard Seymour, Oakland Raiders (29)

Barrett Ruud, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (26)
Shawne Merriman, San Diego Chargers (25)
Karlos Dansby, Arizona Cardinals (28)
DeMeco Ryans, Houston Texans (25)
Kirk Morrison, Oakland Raiders (27)
D’Qwell Jackson, Cleveland Browns (25)

Carlos Rogers, Washington Redskins (28)
Dunta Robinson, Houston Texans (27)
Leigh Bodden, New England Patriots (27)

...as of now Free Agency could be plentiful. Plus with the team playing the way it is you never know who could be cut or traded if Angelo truly wanted to remodel this team in what could be his and/or Lovie's final chance.

Is is possible Angelo does nothing and rolls the dice on this team? Yes. Based on the Cutler and Adams trade it sure seems like they are trying to win NOW. It seems like after all these years Angelo said, fuck the draft, now we have a potentially great QB, we need to build around him. It wouldn't have been fair to FIRE Turner after all these years BEFORE he got to work with guy with Cutlers ability. After 4 national television embarrassments (and counting) this season, it would be an embarrassment NOT to make drastic changes.

[BustedStuff87]

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/129270-cowher-to-bears-or-texans?eref=sihp

Was this already posted?

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

I can't wait until we get absolutely destroyed by the Vikes. I might not even watch the game. Maybe I'll go change my oil in my car and come back and hope the score isn't too bad.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

What do you guys think of kicking out Ron Turner?

Over the past years I've watched him time and time again call the most horrible plays at wrong moments.

This year it seems like every 1st down the bears get Ron calls that stupid play where Cutler hands off to Forte and he runs up the middle, into the back of a brick wall.

I'm just so sick of watching this talented team fail. I'm going crazy.

[Doors Allan Coe]

What do you guys think of kicking out Ron Turner?

Over the past years I've watched him time and time again call the most horrible plays at wrong moments.

This year it seems like every 1st down the bears get Ron calls that stupid play where Cutler hands off to Forte and he runs up the middle, into the back of a brick wall.

I'm just so sick of watching this talented team fail. I'm going crazy.

I just read and "insider" rumor that the Bears are indeed looking into the possibility of a new GM or HC. But, that's a rumor for now. Could happen if things get even worse I guess.

I would prefer if they dropped Turner. Bring in a better O coaching staff. Somebody who has had success. I know Turner is just turning into a scapegoat but he really doesn't have a great track record.

Anybody have and leads on "free agent" coordinators?

[TwoStep2888]

i don't know....i actually think they might lose to Detroit in Detroit....and lose at home to Green Bay.....and i think the Rams game will be tougher than expected

Detroit might put up a fight, but I think you guys can do it, even with all of your issues. I also think that, though Green Bay is probably the stronger team right now, Lovie usually has a decent gameplan for the Packers, and playing at Soldier Field in the dead of winter is usually an advantage. It'll be a close fight, but I think the Packers and Bears will probably split the series.

[skwormin]

Bears season turned out just like the Cubs. I'd almost say this is worse. wtf

[JTRocks]

Bears season turned out just like the Cubs. I'd almost say this is worse. wtf

yeah, except the cubs failing is a forgone conclusion. Even when the cubs are predicted to go all the way, everyone knows deep down inside theyre gonna blow it. people actually thought this team could've won a super bowl this year.

as a bears fan, i wasnt really thinking super bowl, but i was at least thinking maybe by this point in the season the bears would be maybe in the mix as one of the best 4 teams in the nfc or at least a threat to make it to the super bowl

[Bron Yr Aur]

Ron Turner sucks. He's the scapegoat but he deserves it. His playcalling is mind-numbingly stupid and predictable.

Also, people are crushing Cutler and everyone else. But, let's give Cutler a year with this team. If he does the same shit next year then we can say he just isn't the quarterback for this scheme. He throws a lot of picks but so has Brett Favre at points in his career. With a better offensive scheme and playmakers Cutler can be an elite QB. But he can't when his offensive line is swiss cheese and his coordinator in all likelihood doesn't know what he's doing.

[DMBZeppelin]

What do you guys think of kicking out Ron Turner?

Over the past years I've watched him time and time again call the most horrible plays at wrong moments.

This year it seems like every 1st down the bears get Ron calls that stupid play where Cutler hands off to Forte and he runs up the middle, into the back of a brick wall.

I'm just so sick of watching this talented team fail. I'm going crazy.
I hate Ron Turner, but unless we clean house during the offseason. We're going to be in a sticky situation with him. In 2007 Angelo, Turner, and Smith all got new deals. Angelo's ran through 2013, Smith's through 2011, and Turner's through 2009.

Now during this last offseason for whatever reason we gave Turner a year extension. So he's here through 2010. Now lets assume the Bears intend to let Lovie play out this contract and go from there. What do we do with Turner after 2010? You think he'd take a 1 year deal for an obvious lame duck season? Would you want Cutler exposed to another coordinator? Because what good OC would even take that job for the 2011 season. Knowing that Smith could be gone after the year. You can't sign the new OC beyond 2011 and make him the new head coach's problem.

While I hate Ron Turner his offense is a basic pro offense. So if Cutler had to continue to run it, not the end of the world. I would like for the Bears to get Cutler a real QB coach though. Hamilton is a joke. The only thing I pray for is that the Bears decide it's worth buying themselves out of this situation. Because they have Cutler for his prime years. If we basically just do nothing with a bad team through 2011. It's going to take a few seasons to build a new team around new players in new systems. It's just a bad time to be a Bears fan.

Like any NFL team this could around in a season, but I think it would require major change.

[JTRocks]

just rumors, but wow, this would be a step up from that piece of shit ron turner. fire him so he can go ruin a college football program somewhere

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/129573-martz-to-jump-start-bears-offense

[Doors Allan Coe]

I hate Ron Turner, but unless we clean house during the offseason. We're going to be in a sticky situation with him. In 2007 Angelo, Turner, and Smith all got new deals. Angelo's ran through 2013, Smith's through 2011, and Turner's through 2009.

Now during this last offseason for whatever reason we gave Turner a year extension. So he's here through 2010. Now lets assume the Bears intend to let Lovie play out this contract and go from there. What do we do with Turner after 2010? You think he'd take a 1 year deal for an obvious lame duck season? Would you want Cutler exposed to another coordinator? Because what good OC would even take that job for the 2011 season. Knowing that Smith could be gone after the year. You can't sign the new OC beyond 2011 and make him the new head coach's problem.

While I hate Ron Turner his offense is a basic pro offense. So if Cutler had to continue to run it, not the end of the world. I would like for the Bears to get Cutler a real QB coach though. Hamilton is a joke. The only thing I pray for is that the Bears decide it's worth buying themselves out of this situation. Because they have Cutler for his prime years. If we basically just do nothing with a bad team through 2011. It's going to take a few seasons to build a new team around new players in new systems. It's just a bad time to be a Bears fan.

Like any NFL team this could around in a season, but I think it would require major change.

Well, we actually have hope. I really don't feel this team is too far away from doing well again. The D has struggled but played well at times. The O is visually very potent, just sloppy and undisciplined. We have play makers on both sides of the ball. Cut some fat, the hopefully triumphant return of Urlacher and this team could easily contend. Cutler blew it 3 times on the FINAL drive. 4-6 becomes 7-3 with just a little improvement. But who knows, maybe we lose out and end up 4-12 and I'm not so confident anymore...

either way I would love to beat the fuckin Vikings...

[DMBZeppelin]

Brett Favre: Jay Cutler will be fine (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/11/brett-favre-jay-cutler-will-be-fine.html)

Vikings quarterback Brett Favre is aware of the post-game exchange Donovan McNabb had with Jay Cutler during which McNabb offered words of encouragement. Favre was asked today what kind of advice he would give to the struggling Cutler.

"I wouldn't give him any, anything that he wouldn't already know,'' Favre said. "I've obviously have been in that situation at different times of my career.

"For Jay, I know the expectations level obviously was high, as it would have been high in Denver. It comes with a lot of extra baggage, being the star quarterback. ... You try to do too much. I know Jay a little bit, but I don't know him all that well, so it would be unfair for me to sit here and say what he's thinking or doing or whatever. But I think they picked him up for a reason. I think he's damn good. I think he will be good. He'll be fine ... that team will be much better off with him than without him.''

Favre was asked if Cutler reminded him of himself at a young age.

"I think he's better," Favre said.

In terms of his own future, Favre said he has not thought about next year because he's more concerned with leading his team to the Super Bowl this year.

Favre is surprised by the Bears' 4-6 record.

"Anytime the Bears would be a .500 or less, it's a surprise,'' he said. "Lovie's teams have always been very good. And I think they are now. They have had some key injuries. No doubt losing Brian (Urlacher) there at middle linebacker is a huge loss.

"I think Hunter (Hillenmeyer) has done a heck of a job. I still think Lance Briggs is one of if not the best linebacker in football. And Tommie Harris has still got the quickness.''

[BotheDMBFan]

just rumors, but wow, this would be a step up from that piece of shit ron turner. fire him so he can go ruin a college football program somewhere

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/129573-martz-to-jump-start-bears-offense

Jay Cutler will die in the Martz system. He will also throw for 8000 yards

[Tiduwho]

Martz would be horrible, oh god no. How many times does he have to fail and be an over-reaching jackass before people will stop chanting his name?

He fails. And fails. And fails. And yet, people still believe he'll take a backseat to the Head Coach (he won't, he wants all the power), and not only that, but also think he'll be competent as well? He's a walking fail. I really hope no one is pining for a man that has been living off a myth 10 years in the running....

[BotheDMBFan]

Martz would be horrible, oh god no. How many times does he have to fail and be an over-reaching jackass before people will stop chanting his name?

He fails. And fails. And fails. And yet, people still believe he'll take a backseat to the Head Coach (he won't, he wants all the power), and not only that, but also think he'll be competent as well? He's a walking fail. I really hope no one is pining for a man that has been living off a myth 10 years in the running....

Martz is a great offensive mind. He made the Lions watchable a few years ago, and then with mostly the same roster the year after he was fired, they didn't win a game.

Martz is definitely a guy who can't be anything but a head coach though (Will probably be HC next year unless he wants an OC job.)

[DMBZeppelin]

Frank Omiyale is back in the starting lineup over Beekman. Desmond Clark is inactive.

[DMBZeppelin]

Troy Aikman on Cutler: "I see a guy who doesnt have confidence that he'll have time to throw the football.''

[DMBZeppelin]

This was coming into today, but I was reading this about Cutler: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/6597/air-and-space-cutlers-accuracy they had a interesting chart.

Most pass attempts overthrown this season
Player, Team - Overthrown Passes - Attempts
Tom Brady, New England - 49 OTP - 393 ATT
Jay Cutler, Chicago - 48 OTP - 381 ATT
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis - 47 OTP - 388 ATT
Tony Romo, Dallas - 44 OTP - 330 ATT
Matt Cassel, Kansas City - 42 OTP - 289 ATT

[BustedStuff87]

This was coming into today, but I was reading this about Cutler: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/6597/air-and-space-cutlers-accuracy they had a interesting chart.

Most pass attempts overthrown this season
Player, Team - Overthrown Passes - Attempts
Tom Brady, New England - 49 OTP - 393 ATT
Jay Cutler, Chicago - 48 OTP - 381 ATT
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis - 47 OTP - 388 ATT
Tony Romo, Dallas - 44 OTP - 330 ATT
Matt Cassel, Kansas City - 42 OTP - 289 ATT

....interesting. Nice find.

[DMBZeppelin]

3rd down we suck as always.

[Tiduwho]

So 1st down was fine.
2nd down was retarded bubble screen that NEVER WORKS TO A WIDE RECEIVER = blame ron turner
3rd down a 2 yard route on 3rd and 5 = blame ron turner.


2/3 idiotic playcalls to start the game.

[Tiduwho]

Lol, Briggs is down, please just finish us off with Briggs done.

[DMBZeppelin]

Briggs is down. The trifecta is complete.

[AJF_41]

bears are toast...

[BustedStuff87]

bears are toast...

ewww. green koolaid

[DMBZeppelin]

As bad as our run blocking is this season. You know Forte only has 5 broken tackles all season?

[DMBZeppelin]

3 straight runs? Really?

[Tiduwho]

Maynard is still our MVP.....

[Tiduwho]

Omfg I hate the Cover 2. We do NOT have the personnel to run it. This is so pathetic. They just release and release and release! They don't guard anyone! 10 yard cushions! My God!!!!!!!!!!

[DMBZeppelin]

What a sack by Afalava

[DMBZeppelin]

What a catch by Aromashadu!

[Doors Allan Coe]

I would love to stun the Vikings! Oh boy Aroumashadu!!

[DMBZeppelin]

What a throw by Cutler!!!

[BotheDMBFan]

PERFECT pass.

JOHNNY KNOX!!!!

[Tiduwho]

Nice pass, holy wow. That was right in the corner, where no one else could get it. There was not much room there.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Knoxxxxxxxxx

[Doors Allan Coe]

Now we just have to rattle Favre some more.

[BotheDMBFan]

Ugh.

[DMBZeppelin]

Aikman's comments about Cutler getting killed make laugh, but it's very sad.

[BotheDMBFan]

Dear Lovie,

This defense you're calling, it doesn't work.

Signed, common sense.

[jackisback24]

Da Bears are all done.

[BotheDMBFan]

Fire everyone but our ST coaches. Lovie, I like you a lot but you piss me off greatly.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Well, let's see if Jay can answer back.

[BotheDMBFan]

God damn it.

[DMBZeppelin]

Game over.

[grace2]

That was kind of weird. I'll take it

Edit: Lovie's challenging, forsure gonna lose

[DMBZeppelin]

Lovie save your damn challenge. We might actually need it. Who's up in a booth telling Lovie to do this?

[Tiduwho]

This might be the worst challenge of All Time. What is Lovie thinking????

[Doors Allan Coe]

They should put Hester back on the next kick off...

[grace2]

Why don't they put in Hester? Has been doing shitty this year?

[DMBZeppelin]

What a play by Anderson of all people!!!

[DMBZeppelin]

Now that we're down 10 I feel Jay will try to do too much, and bad things happen. That or Turner calls 3 straight runs.

[DMBZeppelin]

I am so sick of these bullshit no calls on our receivers.

[jackisback24]

and the hits just keep on coming.

[Bron Yr Aur]

What the hell? Why is it that other team's players are always allowed to hit our receivers before the ball arrives. This happens all the fucking time and has resulted in INT's twice in the last three games. Seriously, what the fuck?