Da Bears

[DMBZeppelin]

What the hell? Why is it that other team's players are always allowed to hit our receivers before the ball arrives. This happens all the fucking time and has resulted in INT's twice in the last three games. Seriously, what the fuck?
The one on Olsen last week would have been a pick 6 had the corner held on. I'm just sick of that. Because not only does the call screw us out of points. The defense comes out and gives up a TD. I just don't get it.

[dmbdreamingtree]

offensive line is giving cutler no shot

[Tiduwho]

Lol what a joke. They aren't even blitzing, that's the thing! This is a 4 man rush and the O-Line INSTANTLY crumbles. But even then, it's not as bad as the lack of a push in the run game. Just pathetic.

[dmbdreamingtree]

lol at dmbzeppelin's avatar quote...

[1eyed_jack]

hillenmeyer is an idiot. he was clearly out of bounds trying to recover a fumble, glad he gets paid so much money for being so stupid

[UCFish]

The bears fucking suck.

[thebestauntie]

The bears fucking suck.
I came in here to post this.

[DMBZeppelin]

Did I hear that right? The Bears have gained 2 yards on 12 plays in the 2nd half? I see no way we can bring Turner back.

[AJF_41]

whooo!

[Bron Yr Aur]

Turner has to be gone. Has to. Kick Lovie out while you're at it. Can we please have Mike Shanahan? Would love that.

[DMBZeppelin]

Time of possession
Bears - 19:05
Vikings - 40:55

First downs
Bears - 8
Vikings - 31

Passing yards
Bears - 126
Vikings - 378

Rushing yards
Bears - 43
Vikings - 159

Total yards
Bears - 169
Vikings - 537

[DMBZeppelin]

Cutler Quarter-by-Quarter Comparison

First Quarter
3-3, 9 yards

Second Quarter
13-17, 132 yards, TD, 2 INT

Third Quarter
1-1, 2 yards

Fourth Quarter
1-2, 4 yards

That is just laughable what happened in the 2nd half

[NextMovement41]

^Those stats are telling. Wow.

[DMBZeppelin]

For the 1st time in team history the Bears did not rush for a 1st down in a game. Previous low: 1933-Bears rushed for 2 first downs vs. GB

[DMBZeppelin]

All 8 Bears first downs came in 2nd-quarter when they gained 149 of their 169 total yards. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[Tiduwho]

Did I hear that right? The Bears have gained 2 yards on 12 plays in the 2nd half? I see no way we can bring Turner back.


I was at a Wake, so didn't see the 2nd half. I heard that on the way home, and couldn't believe it.

[DMBZeppelin]

Omiyale has never played guard before this year. So why don't we try this line out.

LT: Williams
LG: Beekman
C: Kreutz
RG: Garza
RT: Omiyale

I also want to see more Aromashadu, and activate Iglesias. He was a 3rd round pick, lets see what you got. Knox, Bennett, and Hester aren't consistent. The one play we saw to DA he made a nice catch. What do we have to lose?

[myersk27]

The bears fucking suck.

no way around it....they certainly do. how did this team beat Pittsburgh?!?!?!?!1!

[myersk27]

i would also like to see Aromashodu.....but i think Iglesias is gonna be a bust....

[BustedStuff87]

no way around it....they certainly do. how did this team beat Pittsburgh?!?!?!?!1!

Because Jeff Reed was the most consistent player for our team....

[JTRocks]

someone mentioned last page that maynard is our mvp. so true right now. imagine how worse off we'd be if he wasnt putting up these monster punts for us.

[DMBZeppelin]

i would also like to see Aromashodu.....but i think Iglesias is gonna be a bust....
I felt the same way, but I don't want him to be Bennet part two. You take a guy in the 1st three games. He should get a chance to play at least once this season. At this point we should be playing the younger guys.

[BotheDMBFan]

someone mentioned last page that maynard is our mvp. so true right now. imagine how worse off we'd be if he wasnt putting up these monster punts for us.

The offense would get the ball faster, because this defense couldn't stop shit if their lives depended on it?

I do wonder how much different the season would be if Urlacher hadn't gotten hurt, but Briggs can make up for the loss of Brian adquetly. Just...fuck this team.

[myersk27]

I felt the same way, but I don't want him to be Bennet part two. You take a guy in the 1st three games. He should get a chance to play at least once this season. At this point we should be playing the younger guys.

yeah, it just seems weird to draft someone that high and then not put him out on the field. maybe he doesn't do well in practice so they don't think they can put him out there.....but some players don't practice well and then in the game they show up and perform. i'd like to see him out there, the worst thing that could happen is that he can't get open, which is par for the course with these receivers anyway....

[cwsrule88]

i think the bears should fire every one, from lovie, to ron turner to jerry angelo just bring in a new regime

[BustedStuff87]

i think the bears should fire every one, from lovie, to ron turner to jerry angelo just bring in a new regime

I hear Shoop is looking for work...

[BotheDMBFan]

I hear that's a horrible idea, I do not want to downgrade.

[1eyed_jack]

i heard an interview with joe theismann where he ripped into cutler. he actually called him a taller rex grossman.

so i looked up some stats. right now cutler is on pace for this

Jay Cutler
3885 yards
62% completion percentage
23 TD
29 INT
35 sacks

Rex Grossman 2006
3193 yards
55% completion percentage
23 TD
20 INT
21 sacks

let's throw Orton stats in from chicago

Kyle Orton 2008
2972 yards
59% completion percentage
18 TD
12 INT
27 sacks

[JTRocks]

the thing that gets me about the grossman comparisons is that back in 06, the team was rolling on all cylinders, and occasionally, and by occasionally i mean a lot, rex would get us into shitty situations and force the defense or devin hester to go out there and win the games. this year, the entire team is in shambles

[1eyed_jack]

i am just so sick of cutler. i honestly don't know how he hasn't been benched yet. he has the most interceptions in the league.

in 2008 favre led the league in picks with 22
in 2007 it was a three way tie, with three players all throwing 20
in 2006 23 was the league high.

if cutler throws 30 which is VERY realistic, it will be the most in a single season since 1988.

it's a fact that every year since cutler has been in the league his QB rating has dropped.

i just don't think he has a good attitude, he obviously isn't a competitive person. the whole thing with him an denver started why? because they wanted to bring cassell in to COMPETE for the starting job. and he threw a hissy fit and wanted out. any competitive person would have fought for that job, instead he wants out

[DMBZeppelin]

i heard an interview with joe theismann where he ripped into cutler. he actually called him a taller rex grossman.
That's ridiculous. Even if you hate Cutler he's not a taller Rex. He's a much better all around football player.

i am just so sick of cutler. i honestly don't know how he hasn't been benched yet. he has the most interceptions in the league.
Because what woud be the point? You really want to see how bad things can get with Hanie? This guy is here through 2013. Even if you don't like Cutler you can't see how bad the rest of the offense is? You don't think he'd do better with upgraded weapons? You also don't realize that not all his INT's are his fault?

The stupid red zone throws have to stop. I don't think that will be this year. They need to get a better QB coach and offensive coordinator. Outside of the red zone most of the picks that have happened have not been ugly.

if cutler throws 30 which is VERY realistic, it will be the most in a single season since 1988.
I just hope he doesn't break the single season record :lol

it's a fact that every year since cutler has been in the league his QB rating has dropped.
Yet up until this year he got better every year. 2006 he only played in 5 games, and he was a rookie. I'm not going to put a whole lot of stock in his QB rating. You can find a 5 game streak this year where Cutler's QB rating was great. 07' and 08' were pretty close. He threw for more yards, but his QB rating went down a little. That's expected. This year he's just been bad on a bad offense.

i just don't think he has a good attitude, he obviously isn't a competitive person.
As bad as Cutler has been. This is just stupid. You don't like how he looks on the sideline. I get it, but that's not a reflection of how competitive he is. Even Troy Aikman calling the game yesterday said people like you were wrong. Did you hear his tidbit about the 49ers game? After the game and the long 5 hour flight home. Everyone went home to get sleep. Cutler went straight to Lake Forrest to watch film.

The guy has taken one of the biggest beatings I've ever seen a Bears QB take. He's never missed a play when he could have if he really didn't want to be in there. He's got his guarnateed money. Why would he dive into the end zone against the Lions, and risk getting hurt? You can think he's the worst QB we've ever had. I just don't see how crap like that is said. No ex-Denver teammate, or current Bears player has ever questioned his attitude or competitiveness. The guy wants to win. It's just a question if he's good enough to help.

the whole thing with him an denver started why? because they wanted to bring cassell in to COMPETE for the starting job. and he threw a hissy fit and wanted out. any competitive person would have fought for that job, instead he wants out
:lol You hate Cutler so much you make things up now? That's not how it happened at all. He never tried to bring in Cassel to compete. He tried to trade him for Matt Cassel. In a three way deal where Cutler went to the Bucs. I doubt Cutler cared who the backup was. He did care that his head coach didn't want him. So he asked the Bronco's about the trade, and they lied to him. Then once it got confirmed that this was a real trade that failed. Cutler was pissed.

So they setup a meeting to work things out. It went very badly, and then Cutler asked to be traded. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805

"I went in there with every intention of solving the issue, being a Bronco, moving forward as a Bronco," Cutler said. "We weren't in there but about 20 minutes, [McDaniels] did most of the talking and as far as I'm concerned, he made it clear he wants his own guy. He admitted he wanted Matt Cassel (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8644) because he said he has raised him up from the ground as a quarterback. He said he wasn't sorry about it. He made it clear that he could still entertain trading me because, as he put it, he'll do whatever he feels is in the best interest of the organization.

"At the end of the meeting, he wasn't like, 'Jay, I want you as our quarterback, you're our guy.' It felt like the opposite. He basically said that I needed to tell him if we can't work this out, to let him know," Cutler added. "I thought he was antagonizing me and that was disappointing because I was ready to move on, committed as a Bronco. Really, I figured we'd hash things out, shake hands, laugh a little and move forward. What happened [Saturday] was the last thing I expected. If I didn't think it could be fixed, I never would have come back to Denver. It was painfully obvious to me and Bus [Cook, his agent] it's not something they want to fix."

Cutler was not present for Monday's team meeting.

"I certainly went back there, expecting I'd be there [Monday] but not now," Cutler said. "It's not mandatory. I'll attend every mandatory minicamp and training camp but that's it. Really, it's best for me to move on. As Coach said, he needs every eye in the meeting room to be on him and not me."

"You know, even after the meeting, I hung around town, kind of expecting him to call me and say, 'Hey, let's just me and you get away and have lunch or a cup of coffee' and mend things, but that didn't happen. So, I get it, really, it's a business. I'm disappointed because I love being a Bronco but I think it's run its course."

The Bronco's didn't have to trade Cutler. Brandon Marshall missed mandatory mini camps. He came to practice and half assed it. That didn't get him out of town. Cutler asked for a trade, but said he'd show up for everything he was suppoe to.

[1eyed_jack]

you're right, i do dislike cutler, dislike forte too, and harris, and hester.

some of the older bears teams might have sucked, but at least players like jim miller and RW mcquarters were good personalities. all the bears have now are idiots, and babies.

i heard on the radio today that urlacher made a comment during yesterdays game about how he hates how they are running the offense now. he said they need to pound the ball and that orton was a winner.

[DMBZeppelin]

you're right, i do dislike cutler, dislike forte too, and harris, and hester.
Which is fine, but you seem to want to take it beyond liking their play. With Cutler it seems you're willing to believe anything if it adds to your case against him. Such as that the Bronco's wanted Cutler to compete with Cassell, which was never the case.

some of the older bears teams might have sucked, but at least players like jim miller and RW mcquarters were good personalities. all the bears have now are idiots, and babies.
You were a McQuarters fan? What was nice about his personality. Jim Miller is a good guy. Though I suppose that's all that matters to you. Obviously he sucked as a player. Now he's an analyst that covers the Bears. He thinks that Jay has been bad, but thinks he'll be great. Says he needs receivers, o-line, and better coaching though. Which I don't see the Bears getting so it doesn't matter.

i heard on the radio today that urlacher made a comment during yesterdays game about how he hates how they are running the offense now. he said they need to pound the ball and that orton was a winner.
Urlacher doesn't like Cutler though. He wasn't too happy with having to share the spotlight, and it didn't help when he went down for the year. He's crazy if he thinks we can do 2008 ball. The defense is much worse. We can't run the ball. The reason we pass so much is because when we try to run, nothing happens. I don't care if we punt after running three times, or passing three times. More times then not this defense sucks, and does nothing. Hopefully Urlacher can stay healthy next year.

[DMBZeppelin]

It's a part of a much larger article. Here's everything Urlacher said about Cutler.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AgdOpIlj1OkK8.V2mk5M2YlDubYF?slug=ms-morningrush113009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Most notably, he questioned Chicago’s de-emphasis of its running game following last April’s blockbuster trade that sent two first-round NFL draft choices, a third-round pick and quarterback Kyle Orton to the Denver Broncos for strong-armed passer Jay Cutler and a fifth-round selection.

“Look, I love Jay, and I understand he’s a great player who can take us a long way, and I still have faith in him,” Urlacher said. “But I hate the way our identity has changed. We used to establish the run and wear teams down and try not to make mistakes, and we’d rely on our defense to keep us in the game and make big plays to put us in position to win. Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth.”

When Cutler threw a gorgeous touchdown pass to wideout Johnny Knox in the corner of the end zone to tie the score at 7, Urlacher was both excited and impressed. “You see him do [expletive] like that, and you’re like, ‘That’s unreal,’ ” Urlacher said. “I mean, there might be five guys in the league who can make that throw; it couldn’t have been anywhere else. It was [expletive] sweet.” He called Knox “one of my favorite rookies of all time. He’s sensational; he just goes out there and plays. Even in training camp he didn’t talk a lot. He played football and won our respect.”

[DMBZeppelin]

Well we're 5 games away from the end of the Ron Turner era. Hopefully he doesn't go off to become a college head coach, and then returns to the Bears in 2018. Though I feel bad for the next OC. Lovie isn't likely getting fired. We don't have a pick till the 3rd round. Even though technically we used the 2nd round pick on defense. I think our draft will concentrate on fixing this defense. Instead of getting the right personnel for the new offense.

Maybe the Bears will shock us all though and spend in free agency.

[MPizzle06]

Turner must GO. He was terrible as Illinois' head coach, and his offensive schemes with the Bears didn't seem so horrendous when we didn't have a (supposedly) great QB, but his incompetency has really been exposed this year.

Weiss just got fired at ND...anyone thinking what I'm thinking??

[DMBZeppelin]

Weiss just got fired at ND...anyone thinking what I'm thinking??
He'd be tough to get. Because we couldn't go after him till Turner is fired. You're not going to just fire Turner mid-season with no one else qualified to run this thing. Then I doubt he'll want to take a one year deal for Lovie's lame duck season. Maybe if Lovie gets fired, and then we get someone like Cowher (who we've made inquiries to already). Maybe he'll want to bring Weis in.

[myersk27]

Well we're 5 games away from the end of the Ron Turner era. Hopefully he doesn't go off to become a college head coach, and then returns to the Bears in 2018. Though I feel bad for the next OC. Lovie isn't likely getting fired. We don't have a pick till the 3rd round. Even though technically we used the 2nd round pick on defense. I think our draft will concentrate on fixing this defense. Instead of getting the right personnel for the new offense.

Maybe the Bears will shock us all though and spend in free agency.


this really would be shocking.....

so how much cap space do you think we'll have?

i honestly don't see them doing much in the offseason in terms of personnel outside of the draft. they might add a couple mid-level free agents, but they won't throw big money at anyone. The organization is in denial about how bad they are in all phases. I understand Urlacher's frustration that we aren't running the ball, but he has to also see that our O-Line can't run block. I'd like to see them run the ball successfully too, but if we tried to run the ball now i would see many more three and outs on offense than we already do. and we absolutely can't rely on this defense to stop anyone. The strategy of running the ball and playing conservatively on offense can work when you have a stingy defense that creates turnovers and can win the field position game....but our defense isn't doing anything like that right now.

anyone who thinks cutler is the problem is pretty ignorant if you ask me. cutler is not playing well by any stretch, but this team is sooooo far away from doing anything because of all the problems they have offensively and defensively.

benching cutler isn't the answer either. you think Caleb Hanie will do any better? the poor kid would get killed back there, and then you create more problems by benching the guy you gave all those picks up for...it just doesn't make sense. if we had a productive defense and running game and Cutler still plays this shitty, then maybe you talk about a change, but i'd venture to say that if we had a productive defense and a running game, Cutler would be playing very well. He's proven that when he has stability at some positions he can put up pretty good numbers and win football games. right now, this team has NO stability....anywhere...and change needs to start at the top.

now i'm done

[Tiduwho]

this really would be shocking.....

so how much cap space do you think we'll have?

i honestly don't see them doing much in the offseason in terms of personnel outside of the draft. they might add a couple mid-level free agents, but they won't throw big money at anyone. The organization is in denial about how bad they are in all phases. I understand Urlacher's frustration that we aren't running the ball, but he has to also see that our O-Line can't run block. I'd like to see them run the ball successfully too, but if we tried to run the ball now i would see many more three and outs on offense than we already do. and we absolutely can't rely on this defense to stop anyone. The strategy of running the ball and playing conservatively on offense can work when you have a stingy defense that creates turnovers and can win the field position game....but our defense isn't doing anything like that right now.

anyone who thinks cutler is the problem is pretty ignorant if you ask me. cutler is not playing well by any stretch, but this team is sooooo far away from doing anything because of all the problems they have offensively and defensively.

benching cutler isn't the answer either. you think Caleb Hanie will do any better? the poor kid would get killed back there, and then you create more problems by benching the guy you gave all those picks up for...it just doesn't make sense. if we had a productive defense and running game and Cutler still plays this shitty, then maybe you talk about a change, but i'd venture to say that if we had a productive defense and a running game, Cutler would be playing very well. He's proven that when he has stability at some positions he can put up pretty good numbers and win football games. right now, this team has NO stability....anywhere...and change needs to start at the top.

now i'm done

There'll be no such thing as "cap space". The salary cap is going bye bye.


Unless the CBA gets done, this league is going to be off-kilter the next 2 years.

[DMBZeppelin]

There'll be no such thing as "cap space". The salary cap is going bye bye.


Unless the CBA gets done, this league is going to be off-kilter the next 2 years.
Thanks to guys like Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones the NFL future will go

2010: No salary cap
2011: Lockout year

Then I imagine something gets done and it takes years and years for the NFL to recover. I just don't see why some of the top owners are so stupid. The NFL is great how it is setup right now.

[myersk27]

There'll be no such thing as "cap space". The salary cap is going bye bye.


Unless the CBA gets done, this league is going to be off-kilter the next 2 years.

i forgot about that, but that makes it even worse for the Bears because they won't "out-spend" anyone for free agents....not a chance

[DMBZeppelin]

i forgot about that, but that makes it even worse for the Bears because they won't "out-spend" anyone for free agents....not a chance
If there's going to be a lock out teams won't spend. Since there isn't going to be a floor. Lots of teams might cut good players. It's all very complicated, but who knows. First we need to find out who the head coach is going to be in 2010.

[DMBZeppelin]

Urlacher clarified his comments during a phone interview with the Tribune.

"I'm not taking a shot at Jay. I'm not one bit taking a shot at Jay,'' Urlacher said. "He throws it better, right? And we haven't tried to run the ball as much. That's true.

"But Kyle has won games. His formula works. So I'm not taking a shot at Jay or Kyle.''

Urlacher said he doesn't feel the need to clear the air with Cutler.

"I do like Jay,'' he said. "He's a cool dude. But the way things are going right now, anything you say that appears to be derogatory, they're going to run with it. That's for damn sure.

"People are going to think I'm taking shots at my teammates, but I'm not. The guys that have been around here and have played with me would know my tone of voice when I'm saying that (stuff). I don't feel like I said anything bad about Jay.''

Also in the Yahoo! Sports story, Urlacher had this to say after running back Matt Forte was stuffed on a screen pass:

"You know why that doesn't work? We don't make anyone [expletive] miss. I guess I just don't realize what great tacklers these [opposing defenders] are. They're amazing."

Urlacher said he was not criticizing Forte's ability.

"Minnesota's a good-tackling team, and they were up on our receivers pressing all game along,'' Urlacher said. "They never backed off. That's all I was saying.''

[Bron Yr Aur]

you're right, i do dislike cutler, dislike forte too, and harris, and hester.

some of the older bears teams might have sucked, but at least players like jim miller and RW mcquarters were good personalities. all the bears have now are idiots, and babies.

i heard on the radio today that urlacher made a comment during yesterdays game about how he hates how they are running the offense now. he said they need to pound the ball and that orton was a winner.

You do realize that nothing you say makes any sense, correct?

Just checking.

[Bron Yr Aur]

You've got to wonder what people expect out of this team? Sure, I'd say if Cutler could've limited the mistakes we might have a couple more wins. But he's also carried the team in a couple of games, as well. People expect a team with a bad defense and defensive scheme, god-awful offensive line, mediocre offensive talent, and a terrible offensive coordinator to perform well? This season has shown that we have some serious issues.

When you watch the Colts or the Vikings or the Saints....do you see Manning, Favre, Brees, getting bum-rushed by a four-man rush as soon as the ball is snapped? Fuck no, these guys have all the time in the world. Cutler is getting flushed from the pocket constantly and has to force the issue because the pressure is squarely on his shoulders. Is he perfect? Hell no. Against the 49ers in a very winnable game he had possibly the worst game of his career. That can't happen. But at the same time, give Cutler a good offensive line and suddenly he looks a lot better, Forte looks better, and the receivers look a lot better.

[1eyed_jack]

You've got to wonder what people expect out of this team? Sure, I'd say if Cutler could've limited the mistakes we might have a couple more wins. But he's also carried the team in a couple of games, as well. People expect a team with a bad defense and defensive scheme, god-awful offensive line, mediocre offensive talent, and a terrible offensive coordinator to perform well? This season has shown that we have some serious issues.



you do realize that makes no sense right?

the bears have 4 wins. with orton an no cutler they still easily beat detroit and cleveland.

however without cutler and with a more ball control offense they could very easily have beaten green bay, SF and possibly atlanta. so it's kind of a wash.

and while the defense is not great, or even good by any means, the best way to help them is by............

...wait for it....

NOT turning the ball over. 20 interceptions have led to a ton more minutes the defense has to be on the field. it's no secret that the longer a defense is on the field the worse they get. and yes, they do need to get more stops, but guess what? they aren't. so these turnovers are just adding insult to injury and making an already struggling defense struggle more.

[Doors Allan Coe]

The D sucks. Our running game sucks. Our team seems light years away from being good. Yet... Cutler COULD have won or tied 4 games on the FINAL Drive. Green Bay, Atlanta, San Fransisco, and Philly. 4-7 could be 8-3. Admittedly the other 3 games we lost we were torched.

We need several skills players but we have something to build around.

I really don't know what to say about Lovie's D though. That's like a Pizza place making a shitty pizza. Defense is his ONLY specialty. I really had confidence this D would play well this year...losing #54 hurts.

On the bright side... Tillman has been looking pretty good...

[myersk27]

you do realize that makes no sense right?

the bears have 4 wins. with orton an no cutler they still easily beat detroit and cleveland.

however without cutler and with a more ball control offense they could very easily have beaten green bay, SF and possibly atlanta. so it's kind of a wash.

and while the defense is not great, or even good by any means, the best way to help them is by............

...wait for it....

NOT turning the ball over. 20 interceptions have led to a ton more minutes the defense has to be on the field. it's no secret that the longer a defense is on the field the worse they get. and yes, they do need to get more stops, but guess what? they aren't. so these turnovers are just adding insult to injury and making an already struggling defense struggle more.

i think this is the problem. we aren't capable of a ball control offense right now. our o-line stinks, so we really can't run the ball, which is what a ball control offense needs. i would say that we could use the short passing game to act like a run game, but that's hard to do when receivers can't get open and pass protection causes the QB to rush throws and/or run for his life. yes, turnovers hurt both sides of the ball....but if we are punting all day and only kicking FG's, then we probably lose more games than we have already.

[myersk27]

you do realize that makes no sense right?

the bears have 4 wins. with orton an no cutler they still easily beat detroit and cleveland.

however without cutler and with a more ball control offense they could very easily have beaten green bay, SF and possibly atlanta. so it's kind of a wash.

and while the defense is not great, or even good by any means, the best way to help them is by............

...wait for it....

NOT turning the ball over. 20 interceptions have led to a ton more minutes the defense has to be on the field. it's no secret that the longer a defense is on the field the worse they get. and yes, they do need to get more stops, but guess what? they aren't. so these turnovers are just adding insult to injury and making an already struggling defense struggle more.


so looking at this team realistically, i guess i'd like to hear your solution. if we attempt a more ball control offense, then we will be punting on just about every possession, likely 3 and outs, meaning the defense will be on the field just as much as they are now, and possibly worse because punting will put the opposition further away. example: Cutler throws a pick at the Bears 40 vs. punting the ball to the oppostions 20. defense is on the field longer because they can't stop anybody.

i mean, i like your idea of the ball control offense, but you have to understand that they aren't capable of that right now. so what is the solution?

[1eyed_jack]

look at cutler's stats

he's 23rd in QB rating
he's 14th in yards

the bears can move the ball, it's just he throws too many picks. he needs to become a smarter player. when the bears get in field goal range maybe bring in the backup QB or something, cause cutler is pathetic down there and his decision making in those situations are comparable to a rookie

[myersk27]

look at cutler's stats

he's 23rd in QB rating
he's 14th in yards

the bears can move the ball, it's just he throws too many picks. he needs to become a smarter player. when the bears get in field goal range maybe bring in the backup QB or something, cause cutler is pathetic down there and his decision making in those situations are comparable to a rookie

:lol:lol or maybe he should just take a knee once we are in range for a FG

[DMBZeppelin]

look at cutler's stats

he's 23rd in QB rating
he's 14th in yards

the bears can move the ball, it's just he throws too many picks. he needs to become a smarter player. when the bears get in field goal range maybe bring in the backup QB or something, cause cutler is pathetic down there and his decision making in those situations are comparable to a rookie
Do you not understand that part of Cutler's problem is being on a bad offense? In the offseason the Bears thought they were upgrading the O-line. Instead of St. Clair, Beekman, and Tait. We went with Pace, Omiyale, and Williams. It has not turned out well. You make it seem like you want a ball control offense, but our run blocking is a joke.

How many sacks has Cutler escaped this year? He's got a very quick release. Orton would be getting killed behind this line. Orton can't throw the deep ball. Half the reason we've been in games besides the Cutler picks is he moves the ball down the field. You really see us doing that with a game manager QB? Cutler has been bad at times this year, but what makes you think Orton would do any better?

[1eyed_jack]

Do you not understand that part of Cutler's problem is being on a bad offense? In the offseason the Bears thought they were upgrading the O-line. Instead of St. Clair, Beekman, and Tait. We went with Pace, Omiyale, and Williams. It has not turned out well. You make it seem like you want a ball control offense, but our run blocking is a joke.

How many sacks has Cutler escaped this year? He's got a very quick release. Orton would be getting killed behind this line. Orton can't throw the deep ball. Half the reason we've been in games besides the Cutler picks is he moves the ball down the field. You really see us doing that with a game manager QB? Cutler has been bad at times this year, but what makes you think Orton would do any better?

i think some of cutler's picks are because he's cocky. he thinks he can make every throw. i want a confident QB, but some of those red zone interceptions could have been picked by multiple people, THAT's how bad they were. if nothing is there he needs to throw it away and take 3 points. would have won us a few more if he did that this season.

i think orton knew what he was. he didn't try to do anything he couldn't, and right now a player like that would have the bears with a slightly better record

[Doors Allan Coe]

With no picks and a bad record the only way to make this team better is during free agency... check out who could be hitting the market...

Cadillac Williams, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (27)
Darren Sproles, San Diego Chargers (26)
Leon Washington, New York Jets (27)

Vincent Jackson, San Diego Chargers (26)
Brandon Marshall, Denver Broncos (25)
Braylon Edwards, New York Jets(26)
Terrell Owens, Buffalo Bills (35)

Logan Mankins, New England Patriots (27)
Jahri Evans, New Orleans Saints (26)

Julius Peppers, Carolina Panthers (29)
Elvis Dumervil, Denver Broncos (25)
Aaron Kampman, Green Bay Packers (29)
Derrick Burgess, New England Patriots (31)

Vince Wilfork, New England Patriots (27)
Richard Seymour, Oakland Raiders (29)

Barrett Ruud, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (26)
Shawne Merriman, San Diego Chargers (25)
Karlos Dansby, Arizona Cardinals (28)
DeMeco Ryans, Houston Texans (25)
Kirk Morrison, Oakland Raiders (27)
D’Qwell Jackson, Cleveland Browns (25)

Carlos Rogers, Washington Redskins (28)
Dunta Robinson, Houston Texans (27)
Leigh Bodden, New England Patriots (27)



this

[monkeyman420]

you do realize that makes no sense right?

the bears have 4 wins. with orton an no cutler they still easily beat detroit and cleveland.

however without cutler and with a more ball control offense they could very easily have beaten green bay, SF and possibly atlanta. so it's kind of a wash.

and while the defense is not great, or even good by any means, the best way to help them is by............

...wait for it....

NOT turning the ball over. 20 interceptions have led to a ton more minutes the defense has to be on the field. it's no secret that the longer a defense is on the field the worse they get. and yes, they do need to get more stops, but guess what? they aren't. so these turnovers are just adding insult to injury and making an already struggling defense struggle more.
Ball control offense? They can't run the fucking football now, so how does that change by having Orton? Explain that to me because unless I missed something, the Bears are at the bottom in the league in rushing the football, which has nothing to do with who is quarterback and everything to do with the shitty offensive line the Bears have.

And you know what else helps a defense? Stopping the other team on 3rd down. The Bears are horrible when it comes to defending 3rd downs. Didn't MN complete over 70% of their 3rd down possesions? No defense in the league is going to get off the field if you can't stop the other team on 3rd down.

Cutler deserves criticisim but this is just freaking ridiculous. I wonder how many people actually watch the games, and not just look at them.

[DMBZeppelin]

i think some of cutler's picks are because he's cocky. he thinks he can make every throw. i want a confident QB, but some of those red zone interceptions could have been picked by multiple people, THAT's how bad they were. if nothing is there he needs to throw it away and take 3 points. would have won us a few more if he did that this season.

i think orton knew what he was. he didn't try to do anything he couldn't, and right now a player like that would have the bears with a slightly better record
Like I'm not trying to be mean here, but I think you live in a fantasy world where Orton is capable of a lot more then he actually is. For every red zone INT Cutler throws. We probably aren't even across midfield with Orton. It's not as if good ol' neck beard would make the run game any better. We couldn't even pick up a rushing first down against the Vikings.

- Jay Cutler completed 78.3% of his passes (18 -23) at MIN, highest single-game completion % by a Bears QB on the road since at least 1970

- Cutler is only Bears QB in franchise history with 4 games in a single season in which he completed 70+ percent of his pass attempts

Cutler isn't Rex or Orton. When they threw 2-4 INT's everything went to hell. They'd complete 30% of their passes and throw for 60 yards. Cutler is moving the ball. He's very accurate. He needs to make better decisions in the red zone, but he needs better weapons around him. Our receivers give up on routes, and run wrong routes frequently. Turner even said after the Knox kick return against the Vikes that went to the 8. Cutler got sacked on one of the plays because his primary receiver ran a wrong route. You can't have that.

- Cutler’s 242.8 passing yards per game average is currently highest in Bears franchise history

The guy is on pace for the most passing yards in Bears history. You cut him down for being 14th in passing, but where do you think Orton would be at? Do you think he'd set the single season passing yard record for the Bears? I doubt it after the last two games, but we led the NFL for completions over 20 yards at one point this season. We had over 20 of them at the time. In 2008 with Orton we had 1 all season. Orton is an average QB who needs a strong run game and defense. The Bears have neither. You can't win with him on this team.

[myersk27]

i think he must have gone to Purdue, because only Purdue supporters believe that Orton could be doing better right now....it's just stupid to think that Orton would be better in this offense....if anything he would be worse and he probably would have been killed by now

[BustedStuff87]

i think he must have gone to Purdue, because only Purdue supporters believe that Orton could be doing better right now....it's just stupid to think that Orton would be better in this offense....if anything he would be worse and he probably would have been killed by now

Fuck Purdue.

Plus, I agree with you. We would probably have more incomplete passes and Orton would've been knocked out of the game along time ago.

[DMBZeppelin]

Bears signed Cato June to a 1 year deal. Probably means Briggs will be out for a while.

[1eyed_jack]

The guy is on pace for the most passing yards in Bears history. You cut him down for being 14th in passing, but where do you think Orton would be at? Do you think he'd set the single season passing yard record for the Bears? I doubt it after the last two games, but we led the NFL for completions over 20 yards at one point this season. We had over 20 of them at the time. In 2008 with Orton we had 1 all season. Orton is an average QB who needs a strong run game and defense. The Bears have neither. You can't win with him on this team.

he's 14th in YARDS, 24th in QB RATING.

i wasn't cutting him for yards, i was saying when you're QB passes for the 14th most yards in the NFL and you're team is averaging the 21st most points, there is an issue.

obviously, the running game isn't helping, and neither are a league leading 20 interceptions which is on pace to be the most thrown by an NFL quarterback since 1988

[DMBZeppelin]

he's 14th in YARDS, 24th in QB RATING.

i wasn't cutting him for yards, i was saying when you're QB passes for the 14th most yards in the NFL and you're team is averaging the 21st most points, there is an issue.

obviously, the running game isn't helping, and neither are a league leading 20 interceptions which is on pace to be the most thrown by an NFL quarterback since 1988
Again no one has said Cutler has been great. He's struggled, but it's not exactly a mystery why. If you want to argue that we might be better overall with a better QB. I could agree with you. To say we'd be better with Kyle Orton isn't logical. Cutler can make something out of nothing. Orton can't do that, and there's nothing for him to do.

Cutler is one of the most talented QB's in the entire NFL. He's got all the tools. The Bears need to build a team around him. We've all seen what he could do as a starting QB in a good offense in 2007 and 2008. Yet you want to put it all on Cutler, and make suggestions that we should put in Caleb Hanie. I honestly think you want Hanie in because he's bad. You have like the Bears fan mentality from the 60's and 70's, but your fondness is for bad late 90's/early 2000's players. I just don't get how you can say "Cutler sucks", but then lobby for players who can't do half of what he can.

[BotheDMBFan]

Bears signed Cato June to a 1 year deal. Probably means Briggs will be out for a while.

I fucking LOVE Cato June.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Again no one has said Cutler has been great. He's struggled, but it's not exactly a mystery why. If you want to argue that we might be better overall with a better QB. I could agree with you. To say we'd be better with Kyle Orton isn't logical. Cutler can make something out of nothing. Orton can't do that, and there's nothing for him to do.

Cutler is one of the most talented QB's in the entire NFL. He's got all the tools. The Bears need to build a team around him. We've all seen what he could do as a starting QB in a good offense in 2007 and 2008. Yet you want to put it all on Cutler, and make suggestions that we should put in Caleb Hanie. I honestly think you want Hanie in because he's bad. You have like the Bears fan mentality from the 60's and 70's, but your fondness is for bad late 90's/early 2000's players. I just don't get how you can say "Cutler sucks", but then lobby for players who can't do half of what he can.

It isn't illogical to pontificate whether Chicago would be better off with Orton, last years 1+3 picks, and this years 1st. Plus, we traded out 2nd rounder for a 3rd rounder partially because we didn't have one.

Hypothetically, if we didn't trade for Cutler, we would have Orton who is familiar with our system, our WRs would at worst be the SAME. Barring JA picking no OL in the 1st 3 rounds our Oline would be better also. Orton clearly had a connection with Forte. Plus we would be walking into this years draft with a possible TOP 10 pick...

While just saying "Cutler sucks" doesn't really articulate that, it definitely is up for argument as to whether the 2009 Bears would be more competitive with a familiar QB and several top draft choices.

If it was Orton for Cutler straight up it's clear Cutler is the better QB. But, football is a team sport, JA may have dug himself into a HUGE hole trading all his picks like a fanboy, over filling this team with some top college talent.

Worse QBs than Orton have won Super Bowls, better QBs than Jay haven't...

[crashintonickdm]

kyle orton did more with this bunch than cutler is doing.

[Tiduwho]

kyle orton did more with this bunch than cutler is doing.

What bunch? Orton's "bunch" isn't here anymore.


All that's left is Kreutz, Olsen, Forte, Garza, and Hester. Just about everyone else on offense is different.


And last year Orton had a running game.

[DMBZeppelin]

Plus, we traded out 2nd rounder for a 3rd rounder partially because we didn't have one.
We had a 3rd rounder. We didn't like anyone available there, and just didn't want that pick. We first offered it to the Cards for Boldin. Then we had a deal on the table for a 2010 1st rounder from another team. The guy they wanted got taken, so that deal was off the table. Then we did the deal we wound up with.

Hypothetically, if we didn't trade for Cutler, we would have Orton who is familiar with our system, our WRs would at worst be the SAME.
We wouldn't have Knox without Cutler. People think we might have taken Maclin (the Eagles receiver). Given our track record in the 1st round it's impossible to guess who we take. It likely would have been receiver, or defense in the 1st round.

Barring JA picking no OL in the 1st 3 rounds our Oline would be better also. Orton clearly had a connection with Forte. Plus we would be walking into this years draft with a possible TOP 10 pick...
Confused about two things. How does the O-line get better with Orton? The Bears liked this O-line a lot coming into the season. What would be different? They signed Pace to a 3 year deal before the draft, and thought Omiyale was going to be a pro bowl caliber guard. They weren't going to draft someone to compete with Williams. They still liked Kreutz and Garza.

As for the Orton Forte connection. I'm not sure what that means. Forte is going to put up a better receiving year with Jay. Are you saying Orton makes Forte run better?

While just saying "Cutler sucks" doesn't really articulate that, it definitely is up for argument as to whether the 2009 Bears would be more competitive with a familiar QB and several top draft choices.
I just don't know who in the 1st round that the Bears would have taken makes this team better in 2009. Even if we say the trade hurt the Bears this year. Which I don't see only because the defense has been so bad. The Bears are still better in the long run. I don't think pre-Cutler anyone was even expecting the playoffs.

If it was Orton for Cutler straight up it's clear Cutler is the better QB. But, football is a team sport, JA may have dug himself into a HUGE hole trading all his picks like a fanboy, over filling this team with some top college talent.
I think the Gianes Adams trade hurts us a lot more then the lack of a 1st rounder. The only way I see Adams working out is if we switch to a 3-4 with the new coach. He could be a linebacker/pass rusher. He literally is all speed with zero pass rushing moves. How did he get drafted so high? Why did Jerry do this trade?

Worse QBs than Orton have won Super Bowls, better QBs than Jay haven't...
You are 100% right in this. I believe Cutler could turn into a great QB for us. Will he? It's too early to say, but I have zero faith in the Bears to right this ship. I mean the Miami Dolphins went from 1-15 to 11-5 in one season. The Bears don't have the balls to attempt this. We need a total house cleaning. The president, GM, and Coach all need to go. Instead we'll let this drag on for another season, and waste another draft getting guys for the wrong system that we won't run in 2011.

[JTRocks]

anyone who is talking about how this trade was a mistake needs a reality check.

Orton will never be a super bowl quarterback. ever.

put yourself back in time to this time last year. if someone were to ask you, which quarterback could you see more likely leading a team to a super bowl: Cutler or Orton? Everybody would say orton. its all about the pieces of shit they have around Cutler thats really holding this team back

[DMBZeppelin]

Briggs is questionable for Sunday. I wouldn't play him against the Rams. If we can't beat them without Briggs then we're just sad.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

kyle orton did more with this bunch than cutler is doing.

blolololo

Anyone who thinks that we should have kept Orton over Cutler is an idiot and is buying right into the media's bull. And the people in Denver who think they got the better end of the deal with Orton are even more delusional.

Cutler makes this team better not worse.

Any QB in the NFL right now would probably have similar stats to Cutler if they were on The Bears right now. Put Drew Brees in there behind our line and watch his stats just dwindle.

How many sacks has Cutler avoided this year also? A LOT. If Orton were in there he'd be sacked every other play behind our excuse for a line.

The Bears have no running game what-so-ever which means all the weight falls on Cutler's shoulders. That's why he forced so many throws and has all those picks this year. He's trying to keep his team in it, but they just suck that bad. Our receivers don't know how to get open. That game he threw five picks, he should of really only thrown two because the other three were the receiver's fault. Not to mention the few times the pass interference wasn't called resulting in a pick.

Pretty much every aspect of The Bears game is bad and yet people are trying to pin everything on one person whether it be Cutler or Lovie or whoever.

The reality is, the team as a whole just plain sucks.

I don't think getting rid of Lovie is gonna do it either. It's the players fault not the coaches.

We need a new roster.

[DMBZeppelin]

I don't think getting rid of Lovie is gonna do it either. It's the players fault not the coaches.

We need a new roster.
Getting rid of Lovie will work if they hire the right guy. Lovie's main problem is that like Jerry they have not done well evaluating talent. I wish we could get Holmgren to be our GM. Problem is that Lovie is an Angelo guy. They both believe in the Tampa 2. I don't see how we bring in a new GM and expect him to keep Lovie around. Though the one thing I like about Lovie is all the players seem to like him.

[Bron Yr Aur]

All I'm going to say is....

fuck the Tampa 2. This league is becoming an increasingly passing league, it seems, and this defensive scheme gets absolutely torn to hell by anybody with halfway decent QB and receivers.

[myersk27]

reading this thread makes me depressed. just points out how many problems there are with the Bears, and i have to agree with Zepp, i have no faith in the Bears doing what needs to be done to right the ship.......blah

[1eyed_jack]

How many sacks has Cutler avoided this year also? A LOT. If Orton were in there he'd be sacked every other play behind our excuse for a line.



i would gladly have cutler have 10 more sacks right now if that means 5 or 6 less interceptions.


it's great if he can avoid a sack, but not if he ends up throwing an interception

[Doors Allan Coe]

Chicago Bears


RB Adrian N. Peterson UFA
WR Airese Currie UFA
DL Mark Anderson UFA
DL Dusty Dvoracek UFA
DL Adewale Ogunleye UFA
DL Matt Toeaina RFA
LB Nick Roach RFA
LB Jamar Williams UFA
FS Josh Bullocks UFA
FS Danieal Manning UFA

Here is a not so updated list of 2010 Free Agents on the Bears squad...

p.s...i'll be responding to YOU Zepp in a bit...

[BotheDMBFan]

I don't know if ANY will be brought back.

[Doors Allan Coe]

I don't know if ANY will be brought back.

That would be a GOOD thing.

We have enough D-linemen. Let ALL of them move on.

[DMBZeppelin]

Chicago Bears


RB Adrian N. Peterson UFA
WR Airese Currie UFA
DL Mark Anderson UFA
DL Dusty Dvoracek UFA
DL Adewale Ogunleye UFA
DL Matt Toeaina RFA
LB Nick Roach RFA
LB Jamar Williams UFA
FS Josh Bullocks UFA
FS Danieal Manning UFA
Currie hasn't been on the Bears for years. Surprised he's on the list. That guy was blazing fast, but could do nothing else. Especially stay healthy.

[DMBZeppelin]

i would gladly have cutler have 10 more sacks right now if that means 5 or 6 less interceptions.


it's great if he can avoid a sack, but not if he ends up throwing an interception
Interceptions are bad, but again they're not all on him. What do you tell Cutler when he makes the right read, the right throw, and the receiver messes up? I mean he had 4 against Green Bay. The one to Forte that got intercepted by Jolly was all Cutler. The other 3? Receivers running the wrong route.

Against Seattle he had one INT that was just bad luck. He was about to get sacked and threw it to Knox. It deflected off Knox's hands to a Seahawk. The one against Arizona Bennett stopped running his route. Against San Fran he made two stupid throws in the redzone. The other three? Hester fell, Hester ran into a ref, and pass interference on Davis. There's nothing Cutler did wrong on those three.

Then against the Vikes first one was all on him. He needed to throw the ball farther. Second one also should have been pass interfence, and it was just bad luck how it bounced up in the air. That's just what I remember, but that's 9 right there. So unless there's some I'm forgetting that's 11 INT's that I'd put on Cutler.

Now every QB has some bad luck, and weird things happen. The fact that there's this many type of INT's just shows you how bad the offense actually is. Yes on some of the 11 INT's that are on Cutler he needs to be coached up on not doing stupid things. The others will get eliminated when we surround him with better weapons.

[Doors Allan Coe]

We wouldn't have Knox without Cutler. People think we might have taken Maclin (the Eagles receiver). Given our track record in the 1st round it's impossible to guess who we take. It likely would have been receiver, or defense in the 1st round.

Confused about two things. How does the O-line get better with Orton? The Bears liked this O-line a lot coming into the season. What would be different? They signed Pace to a 3 year deal before the draft, and thought Omiyale was going to be a pro bowl caliber guard. They weren't going to draft someone to compete with Williams. They still liked Kreutz and Garza.

I just don't know who in the 1st round that the Bears would have taken makes this team better in 2009. Even if we say the trade hurt the Bears this year. Which I don't see only because the defense has been so bad. The Bears are still better in the long run. I don't think pre-Cutler anyone was even expecting the playoffs.

It's easy Zepp. The TEAM would have better off with Orton. Maybe our QB wouldn't have a better arm but our TEAM would most likely be BETTER.

"Urgent: 'Da Bears are perilously thin at both offensive tackle and wide receiver, being one injury away from a major crisis at both positions. Both an offensive tackle and a wide receiver must be drafted in the first two rounds if at all possible."

That is quoted from an article written at the end of March, prior to the Cutler trade. At that time it was CLEAR our 2 biggest needs were WR and OL. Don't pretend we didn't know that. Everyone knew that. It was easy to see at the end of last season. There is little doubt that WITHOUT the Cutler trade the would have gone OL/WR or WR/OL in the first two rounds.

Take a look at what we could have had to accompany Orton.
1st
18. Denver (from Chicago) - Robert Ayers, DE/LB Tennessee
19. Philadelphia (from Tampa Bay through Cleveland) - Jeremy Maclin, WR Missouri
21. Cleveland (from Philadelphia) - Alex Mack, C California
22. Minnesota - Percy Harvin, WR Florida
23. 26. Baltimore (from New England) - Michael Oher, OT Mississippi

2nd
17-49 Seattle (from Chicago) - Max Unger, C Oregon
18-50 Cleveland (from Tampa Bay) - Mohamed Massaquoi, WR Georgia
19-51 Buffalo (from Dallas) - Andy Levitre, G Oregon State
21-53 Philadelphia - LeSean McCoy, RB Pittsburgh
22-54 Minnesota - Phil Loadholt, OT Oklahoma

Due to the Cutler trade THESE were out 1st 2 picks in the draft...

3rd
4-68 Chicago (from Seattle) - Jarron Gilbert, DT San Jose State
35-99 Chicago (Compensatory Selection) - Juaquin Iglesias, WR Oklahoma

To say The Chicago Bears, not the The Chicago Cutlers, wouldn't be looking better with any WR/OL combo bolded above you're nuts. We were ONE win out of the playoffs last year. Obviously nothing is for certain but to pretend Orton couldn't have managed 4 wins by this point is a stretch.

The injuries on D have hurt this team. Having the WORST running game in the league is what is forcing us to throw so much. Not our bad D. It is not difficult to surmise that a top OL would have seriously helped this team. We didn't draft an OL because by the 3rd round everyone worth while was gone.

I'm not trying to say the Cutler trade is officially a bust. We won't know for sure until Cutler either wins a Super Bowl or leaves Chicago. Very short term it's a bust. Very short means 2009. If things don't get better in 2010 I doubt Lovie and JA will be around to see the trade pay any dividends.

It really isn't crazy think the team could possibly be better than 4-7 with Cutler. Pittsburgh gave us that game. Detroit is Detroit. The Seahawks has NO starting QB. Hell, I could have played QB and beat the Browns. You realize these are Cutlers ONLY victories as a BEAR. Meanwhile he threw the game LOSING interception in our only 4 games we didn't get blown out. In the situations our D did keep us in the game the QB we traded the farm for lost on his own...throwing 4 INTS.

...ok now tell me how it's Knox's fault he threw the INT to lose the Green Bay game...

[dsmith45]

Anyone who thinks that we should have kept Orton over Cutler is an idiot and is buying right into the media's bull. And the people in Denver who think they got the better end of the deal with Orton are even more delusional.

currently you guys got the better end of the deal, but if the draft picks turn out to be superstars, it could be the best trade ever.

and thanks for the mid to high first rounder ;)

[monkeyman420]

Even though the needs before the Cutler trade were WR and O line there is no guarantee JA would have drafted those type of players. We can play the what if game all day long and then some, but the bottom line is the Bears have a lot of problems, and if Orton was here the Bears would still have these problems.

Look at the line. Let's say they did draft a lineman, a tackle. That would mean they wouldn't have signed Pace. So they go into this season with Williams at left tackle, Omiyale at guard, Kreutz, Garza, new guy. You think that's a better line? That would mean having 2 guys at tackle with basically no experience, a guy at guard (Omiyale) who was a career backup before he got here, and Kreutz who should have been gone 2 season ago.

I don't see Angelo going after a #1 receiver either if they had kept Orton. They barely went after one after Cutler got here, why would they go after one with orton at QB? I just don't have faith in Angelo that he would have drafted a stud WR. There is nothing in his history/track record that should make anyone think he has any ability to draft offensive talent.

[JTRocks]

i know its highly unlikely with the money they would owe if they were to let lovie go, but really think the last chance of hope we have at it would be a humiliating loss this sunday at home to the rams. and goddammit. i dont care what anyone says about me not being a true bears fan, but i hope the rams beat the shit out of us. stephen jackson is gonna blow up and kyle boller will kick some ass too

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

Interceptions are bad, but again they're not all on him. What do you tell Cutler when he makes the right read, the right throw, and the receiver messes up? I mean he had 4 against Green Bay. The one to Forte that got intercepted by Jolly was all Cutler. The other 3? Receivers running the wrong route.

Against Seattle he had one INT that was just bad luck. He was about to get sacked and threw it to Knox. It deflected off Knox's hands to a Seahawk. The one against Arizona Bennett stopped running his route. Against San Fran he made two stupid throws in the redzone. The other three? Hester fell, Hester ran into a ref, and pass interference on Davis. There's nothing Cutler did wrong on those three.

Then against the Vikes first one was all on him. He needed to throw the ball farther. Second one also should have been pass interfence, and it was just bad luck how it bounced up in the air. That's just what I remember, but that's 9 right there. So unless there's some I'm forgetting that's 11 INT's that I'd put on Cutler.

Now every QB has some bad luck, and weird things happen. The fact that there's this many type of INT's just shows you how bad the offense actually is. Yes on some of the 11 INT's that are on Cutler he needs to be coached up on not doing stupid things. The others will get eliminated when we surround him with better weapons.

Exactly. Amen.

It's easy Zepp. The TEAM would have better off with Orton. Maybe our QB wouldn't have a better arm but our TEAM would most likely be BETTER.

See below.

Even though the needs before the Cutler trade were WR and O line there is no guarantee JA would have drafted those type of players. We can play the what if game all day long and then some, but the bottom line is the Bears have a lot of problems, and if Orton was here the Bears would still have these problems.

Yup, Exactly. :thumbsup

Who know's maybe we'd have a couple more wins with Orton this year but so what?... We would got a few more good draft picks but so what?...

I still think we're better off actually acquiring a franchise qb and building the team around him, whether it's a slow construction or not.

The Bears seem to have a problem getting qb's so I say it's better to grab him now and build around him.

[DMBZeppelin]

It's easy Zepp. The TEAM would have better off with Orton. Maybe our QB wouldn't have a better arm but our TEAM would most likely be BETTER.
Because two different players fixes our lack of receivers, running back, o-line, d-line, and seconday?

That is quoted from an article written at the end of March, prior to the Cutler trade. At that time it was CLEAR our 2 biggest needs were WR and OL. Don't pretend we didn't know that. Everyone knew that. It was easy to see at the end of last season. There is little doubt that WITHOUT the Cutler trade the would have gone OL/WR or WR/OL in the first two rounds.
What are you talking about? Of course everyone knew we needed receivers and O-line. Guess what? The Bears didn't like anyone on the market. So they didn't sign anyone. They did sign Pace, Omiyale, and Shaffer in free agency BEFORE the draft. The Bears thought Pace was still a solid player. Enough that they moved their 1st round pick from left to right tackle. They thought they were set there. As good of a job Beekman did in 2008. They thought they were getting a Pro Bowl caliber guard in Omiyale.

The notion that the Bears were looking at O-line going into the draft is so off base. That's just not the case, and I have no idea why anyone would believe that. Fact is the Bears were wrong about the entire left side. Pace is beyond done, and Omiyale has been bad. Then to assume we would take a receiver in the 2nd round? That's fine, but then why didn't they? Instead they traded out of that 2nd round pick. Then in the 3rd round they got a receiver in Igleasis who they wanted with the 2nd round pick. So had we kept the pick and drafted him there... we're better?

Take a look at what we could have had to accompany Orton.
1st
18. Denver (from Chicago) - Robert Ayers, DE/LB Tennessee
19. Philadelphia (from Tampa Bay through Cleveland) - Jeremy Maclin, WR Missouri
21. Cleveland (from Philadelphia) - Alex Mack, C California
22. Minnesota - Percy Harvin, WR Florida
23. 26. Baltimore (from New England) - Michael Oher, OT Mississippi

2nd
17-49 Seattle (from Chicago) - Max Unger, C Oregon
18-50 Cleveland (from Tampa Bay) - Mohamed Massaquoi, WR Georgia
19-51 Buffalo (from Dallas) - Andy Levitre, G Oregon State
21-53 Philadelphia - LeSean McCoy, RB Pittsburgh
22-54 Minnesota - Phil Loadholt, OT Oklahoma

Due to the Cutler trade THESE were out 1st 2 picks in the draft...
They were out of there 1st round pick. They kept the 2nd rounder. Why do you blame Cutler for Angelo trading out of the 2nd round? They didn't like Massaquoi. You really think they were going to take a center when they have Kreutz, and project Beekman as the center of the future?

I also find it funny you list Levitre. The reason the Bears wanted to replace Beekman at guard was not because he didn't do a good job. They believe they are too small in the middle. Beekman is the same height and weight as Levitre. They don't want small guards. The Bears wouldn't have taken him. I wouldn't have minded Loadholt, but why would the Bears take him? He's a right tackle. The Bears weren't going to bring someone to try and bump Williams.

They went into the draft thinking they needed a defensive tackle and receiver early. Gilbert fell and they got someone they wanted. Which should tell you how good the Bears are at recongizing talent. He's been inactive almost every game.

To say The Chicago Bears, not the The Chicago Cutlers, wouldn't be looking better with any WR/OL combo bolded above you're nuts. We were ONE win out of the playoffs last year. Obviously nothing is for certain but to pretend Orton couldn't have managed 4 wins by this point is a stretch.
I believe I read the Bears liked Britt and Nicks. They would look nice in a Bears uniform. Had they gotten Maclin or Harvin. Do you think Kyle Orton would have been able to stretch the field with them? Would our receiver coach be able to do anything with them? Why do you think the Bears were looking o-line? I really want to know the answer to this.

The injuries on D have hurt this team. Having the WORST running game in the league is what is forcing us to throw so much. Not our bad D. It is not difficult to surmise that a top OL would have seriously helped this team. We didn't draft an OL because by the 3rd round everyone worth while was gone.
So one linemen would have just turned this whole thing around? We'd be a top O-line? Outside of Garza who's been average. It's just a whole bunch of bad. I will say this again, we had a 2nd round pick. The Bears didn't want anyone you deemed worthwhile.

I'm not trying to say the Cutler trade is officially a bust. We won't know for sure until Cutler either wins a Super Bowl or leaves Chicago. Very short term it's a bust. Very short means 2009. If things don't get better in 2010 I doubt Lovie and JA will be around to see the trade pay any dividends.
If the trade is bust it's because you believe that we're three players away. Two of which we would have gotten already. So if that's the problem then this whole thing is very fixable in FA. The Jerry Rice/Walter Jones combo you had us drafting wouldn't have fixed this defense.

It really isn't crazy think the team could possibly be better than 4-7 with Cutler. Pittsburgh gave us that game. Detroit is Detroit. The Seahawks has NO starting QB. Hell, I could have played QB and beat the Browns. You realize these are Cutlers ONLY victories as a BEAR.
Of course those are Cutler's only victories. We're 4-7. I'd really like to know how Pitts or Seattle gave us that game. If Reed hits the FG's Cutler has to go for a TD instead of a FG at the end of the game. We'll never know what would have happened. What if Gould had missed his kicks? They happen. Kicks are apart of your team. If you suck at kicking field goals you'll probably lose games. If your defense is bad you'll probably lose games.

Seattle was the inferior team. The reason Cutler had to lead a game winning drive was because we couldn't stop them. Seneca Wallace just ran away from our D-line like it was nothing. Yes I agree Detroit is Detroit. Though our defense made a game of it in the 1st half.

Meanwhile he threw the game LOSING interception in our only 4 games we didn't get blown out. In the situations our D did keep us in the game the QB we traded the farm for lost on his own...throwing 4 INTS.
If we're a team that's suppose to be built on defense. When the defense had the lead in the 4th quarter against GB and Philly they should have kept it. Yes Cutler ended the game against both with stupid throws. As much blame as Cutler should get for not being clutch. Most of the time he's just been god awful.

This defense doesn't seem to shut anyone down when they have to. If Kyle Orton was the QB. That be the story. Defense blows lead. Cutler sucks at being clutch, and that's the story. Rightfully so considering we gave up a lot. When we're trying to lead a game winning drive in the 4th. I have zero faith in Cutler right now. Part of that is because this isn't a complete team. This is a team that lives and dies by Cutler. If he doesn't have a miracle in his pocket we fall hard.

...ok now tell me how it's Knox's fault he threw the INT to lose the Green Bay game...
Knox was suppose to run a slant route. He started to run a slant route. For some reason he stopped and starts to back pedal. I think he was trying to pull a fast one on the corner and jump to the outside. Not 100% sure what he was thinking, but if you're suppose to run a slant and then don't wind up where you're suppose to be.... INT.

[DMBZeppelin]

i know its highly unlikely with the money they would owe if they were to let lovie go, but really think the last chance of hope we have at it would be a humiliating loss this sunday at home to the rams. and goddammit. i dont care what anyone says about me not being a true bears fan, but i hope the rams beat the shit out of us. stephen jackson is gonna blow up and kyle boller will kick some ass too
I'm right there with you. Hub Arkush on the Score the last few days has said as much. That if the Bears have a real embarrassing loss to the Rams it might put things in motion. That's what we need to happen. If Lovie sticks around. Then what kind of things we he be allowed to do in the offseason? Any OC they bring in will likely be on a 1 year deal. Any players they sign will have to be short term deals. I doubt they'll get to spend a lot on players who might not fit the next coach's system. 2010 will just be a lame duck season that goes nowhere.

As much as I know it's better in the long run if we lose to the Rams. I'll feel awful and depressed. As bad as we've been I know we're a better team. About four weeks ago losing to them didn't seem possible to me... now not so much.

[DMBZeppelin]

Oh and in case no one has seen. Chris Williams is starting at Left Tackle against the Rams. So I'm guessing if he sucks then next week Orlando Pace is no longer "hurt". Shaffer or Omiyale will start at RT. I'm rooting for Omiyale. He was a tackle before coming here. We need to see if he can do anything there.

[DMBZeppelin]

So Forte was none too happy about Urlacher's comments about him. Said if he couldn't make people miss he wouldn't be in the NFL. Warren Sapp even ripped Urlacher yesterday apparently. He was on Mulley and Hanley and here's part of what he said:

“Shut up,’’ Sapp snapped. “He’s not helping. Why don’t he go and help those linebackers watch tape and teach them how to call a defense and line them up. That way they aren’t all off flank all game long against Cincinnati and Cedric Benson is running for 189 yards.’’

Cutler also commented, but pretty much blew it off. Zach Zaidman posted it in a series of Tweets on Twitter. So the formatting is a littler weird here:

Cutler on Urlacher comments this week: "He didn't have to apologize to me. I talked to him. I understand what he's talking about."

"It's frustrating for everybody in that locker room," said Cutler of Bears 4-7 season. "I know where [Urlacher] is coming from."

"I'm going to get a lot of blame," said Cutler. "A lot of it should come my way."

"We've struggled running the ball and [Urlacher's] right," said Cutler. "You can't throw it every down."

What kind of offense does Cutler want? "One that wins," he said. "Anything that gets it done."

"I think head coaches and quarterbacks [are defined by] record," said Cutler. "I'm not doing very well."

[DMBZeppelin]

- Bears are averaging 85.1 rushing yards per game. That's lowest in the NFL.
- Bears have 5 different players with 400+ receiving yards. That's most in the NFL.
- Bears have lost 4 straight by an average of 13.5 points. Bears haven't lost 5 straight in the same season since losing 8 straight in 2002.

[DMBZeppelin]

I 100% believe Clayton is wrong in that there's no truth. Hub knows the McCaskey's personally. The reason he's being lied to is for the reason he list himself. I think it's worth posting because he confirms what others have. He'd like the Bears job. Lets hope the Houston coach doesn't get fired.

Clayton: No truth to Cowher-Bears report (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4663650/clayton-no-truth-to-cowher-bears-report)

LAKE FOREST, Ill. -- Contrary to a prior report, the Bears have not reached out to anybody associated with former Steeler's coach Bill Cowher, according to ESPN's John Clayton.

"Literally about two minutes ago I was just talking to someone about this in the Bill Cowher camp," Clayton said during an appearance with the Afternoon Saloon on ESPN 1000. "That is 100 percent inaccurate. No reaching out to Bill Cowher and no reaching out to Bill Cowher representatives, friends or anything of that nature."

"Bill has made it known that he doesn’t want to affect any current coach, whether it is an interim coach or a head coach, who is under a contract until the end of the season," Clayton said. "He wants to be true to all the coaches that are currently coaching. There is no contact or illusion of a contact … but I will tell you this factually, he is interested in two jobs: one being the Chicago Bears (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=chi), and the other being the Houston Texans (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=hou). Both would have to open for that to happen but he is interested. But in the end there hasn’t been anything that has happened that would give him any indication that he would be contacted."

[DMBZeppelin]

Chicago Bears, Park District may consider artificial surface for Soldier Field (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-04-pompei-bears-dec04,0,4806236.column)

Yes, it is time for major change with the Bears (http://www.antsmarching.org/topic/sports/football/chicago-bears-ORSPT000036.topic).

Out with the old.

Back up the trucks, fill them up and move them out.

And then lay the new infill playing surface at Soldier Field (http://www.antsmarching.org/topic/sports/football/soldier-field-PLTRA0000156.topic).

Infill, which is commonly known by brand names like FieldTurf and AstroPlay, is a cheaper, cleaner option than grass.

This week, the Chicago Park District (http://www.antsmarching.org/topic/travel/tourism-leisure/gardens-parks/chicago-park-district-ORGOV000079.topic) completely re-sodded Soldier Field at a cost of approximately $250,000. It was the second time in 11 weeks the field was re-sodded.

For another $700,000 to $1 million on top of the $500,000, it could have replaced the grass permanently with an infill surface. And then an expensive re-sodding never would be an issue again.

Both sides -- the Bears and the park district -- appear willing to consider change.

"The Bears and the Park District should definitely sit down and explore the options in the offseason," Soldier Field general manager Tim LeFevour said. "It would probably benefit all parties."

There was talk of a possible change last offseason, and some key voices supported an infill surface then.

The problem with grass at Soldier Field is it doesn't grow in this climate for more than half of the football season. And there is no way to regenerate grass that football games and Irish rockers damage.

The park district and the Bears have done as good a job as possible of keeping the playing field manageable. But there is only so much anyone can do. There still have been divots all over the field. Cleats often don't grip right, and players end up sliding when they try to stop.

In a National Football League (http://www.antsmarching.org/topic/sports/football/nfl-ORSPT000007.topic) Players Association poll taken during the 2008 football season, 33 of 49 Bears said they considered the playing surface at Soldier Field to be fair or poor. It might not be quite as shoddy as its reputation, but without question it can be better.

One of the problems with the grass at Soldier Field is it doesn't look the way many think an NFL field is supposed to look. It's too brown, and you can see seams. So the perception is an issue as well as the reality.

The Tribune asked 36 Bears who have played a significant amount of snaps at Soldier Field how they felt about changing the playing surface.

Only 12 players said they would like to stay with grass. Of those 12, half were offensive linemen or defensive tackles.

Almost all of the players who depend on speed and quickness said they preferred a switch to an infill surface (including every wide receiver, defensive back and defensive end polled), though one who preferred grass said he thought the current turf at Soldier Field was part of the Bears' home-field advantage.

"Don't build a team for speed and then have us play in mud," another player said.

Under coach Lovie Smith (http://www.antsmarching.org/topic/sports/football/lovie-smith-PESPT008481.topic), the Bears think of themselves as a team that can beat opponents with speed. Infill surfaces are considered faster than grass -- especially bad grass. So unless the Bears are going to change the makeup of their team, a new playing surface undoubtedly would be a hit with the coaching staff.

Artificial surfaces have come a long way since the old days of rock-hard AstroTurf. Infill surfaces are made with synthetic blades weaved into a backing material. In between the backing and the tops of the blades is crumbled rubber.

Infill surfaces are softer and more giving than the kind of artificial surface Soldier Field used to have. But there still are questions about whether or not it is as safe as grass -- hence the Bears' hesitation.

The NFL has a medical committee that charts every injury and the type of surface it occurs on. There have been some preliminary findings suggesting lower leg injuries have occurred at a higher rate on infill surfaces than grass. But a source with the league office said the findings have been inconclusive.

In the NFLPA poll of 1,565 players across the league, 84 percent said they thought infill surfaces are more likely to contribute to injury than grass surfaces. And 91 percent said infill surfaces cause more soreness and fatigue than grass.

One Bears player surveyed said he would endorse a change at Soldier Field even though his lower body joints experience more soreness after playing on an infill surface and it takes him longer to recover than it would after playing on grass.

Part of the problem could be there is not a shoe (http://www.antsmarching.org/topic/services-shopping/clothing-accessories-shoes/shoes-T50006003.topic) designed for the infill surface, according to a high-ranking executive with an NFC (http://www.antsmarching.org/topic/sports/football/national-football-conference-EVSPR00003532.topic) team. Many players wear shoes with nubby rubber bottoms, and then sand down the nubs. Others use short cleats.

Some have complained that infill surfaces got too hot when the summer sun beats down. And others say they get too hard in temperatures below freezing.

If having an ideal grass surface were an option, the decision would be as easy as whether or not to go for it on fourth-and-goal in the final seconds of a game down by four. Of the players who responded to the NFLPA poll, 71 percent said they prefer to play on grass.

But an ideal grass surface is not an option. Not in Soldier Field. Not in December. Not in our lifetime.

So back up the truck.

[JTRocks]

Afalava moved to FS...and Danieal Manning moved back to nickel for an unprecedented 26th time

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4713051

[BotheDMBFan]

So Forte was none too happy about Urlacher's comments about him. Said if he couldn't make people miss he wouldn't be in the NFL. Warren Sapp even ripped Urlacher yesterday apparently. He was on Mulley and Hanley and here's part of what he said:

“Shut up,’’ Sapp snapped. “He’s not helping. Why don’t he go and help those linebackers watch tape and teach them how to call a defense and line them up. That way they aren’t all off flank all game long against Cincinnati and Cedric Benson is running for 189 yards.’’

Cutler also commented, but pretty much blew it off. Zach Zaidman posted it in a series of Tweets on Twitter. So the formatting is a littler weird here:

Cutler on Urlacher comments this week: "He didn't have to apologize to me. I talked to him. I understand what he's talking about."

"It's frustrating for everybody in that locker room," said Cutler of Bears 4-7 season. "I know where [Urlacher] is coming from."

"I'm going to get a lot of blame," said Cutler. "A lot of it should come my way."

"We've struggled running the ball and [Urlacher's] right," said Cutler. "You can't throw it every down."

What kind of offense does Cutler want? "One that wins," he said. "Anything that gets it done."

"I think head coaches and quarterbacks [are defined by] record," said Cutler. "I'm not doing very well."

Cutler is such a fucking asshole. Way to be a team player, shitrag.

[AlexK79]

Cutler is such a fucking asshole. Way to be a team player, shitrag.

:ugh

He's placing blame for the team's failures on his own shoulders - how is that not being a team player?

[BotheDMBFan]

:ugh

He's placing blame for the team's failures on his own shoulders - how is that not being a team player?

It was sarcasm.

[skwormin]

Yeah lets go bears!

Beat the rams!!


Get drunk!!!

[BotheDMBFan]

My Dad is a huge Rams. Twill be fun Sunday.

[DMBZeppelin]

Ditka's words of wisdom are just what Jay Cutler needed -- hopefully (http://espn.go.com/chicago/columns/blog/_/post/4711896/name/silverman)

It was a surreal Thursday, to say the least.

Coach Ditka had his chef prepare some of the new "Ditka's baby back ribs," and Coach and Waddle were going to town. And as I was about to do my Chris Rock impression -- Can I get just one rib? -- our producer told me, "Jay Cutler (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9597) just called; he'd like to come on the air."

Although Ditka has been supportive of Cutler in the past several weeks, he questioned his leadership ability during training camp. Cutler was aware of this and was a bit leery to join us after finding out Coach was with us.

Having grown up in Chicago, I always love hearing stories about the great Bears teams of the 1980s. I always wanted to know what an Iron Mike pep talk sounded like. Cuter got one, and a little advice, too. You can hear the interview here (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=4710541).

Pretty cool moment. First time Ditka had ever talked to Cutler. This wasn't planned and was just something that happened. The words of wisdom came from the heart, and I do think Cutler listened.

Criticize Cutler's play all you want. And I do understand how some don't like his body language. I don't believe Cutler sends a bad vibe with it, but I understand how some can be turned off. But please, don't question this guy's will to win. He keeps getting up after taking a beating. Troy Aikman (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=53) told the story of how Cutler went straight to the film room after his Thursday night five-interception game -- this after his worst game ever and after a four-hour flight. At 6 a.m., everyone went to sleep. Cutler went to try to get better.

Cutler also told us he is constantly reaching out to Mike Shanahan; Jeremy Bates, his Broncos offensive coordinator; and Jimmy Kiser, his quarterbacks coach at Vanderbilt, to pick their brains and get himself back to being a Pro Bowl-caliber QB. This makes me believe Cutler didn't brush off what coach Ditka had to say.

When the interview ended, I wanted to run through a wall for coach Ditka. Coach Ditka? Well, he just wanted to finish his slab of ribs.

"How much for just one rib!?!?!"

Many Bears fans didn't want to accept Cutler from day one. I get the reasons. But that's unacceptable for Brian Urlacher (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2140). Cutler believes Urlacher has been a good teammate since the day he walked into Halas Hall. I believe Cutler is taking the high road again, something Urlacher hasn't done lately, and just wants the story to disappear.

Question the team's identity all you want. These Bears are a mess. But how about pointing the finger at the league's biggest underachieving defense for a third straight year? How about letting go of the "Kyle Orton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8520) is the world's best winner" when he has never even participated in an NFL playoff game?

And although No. 54 was once a great player, how about Urlacher recognizing what he has done in the past few years? Here's a short list: a petty local media boycott, neck surgery, a contract extension after threatening a holdout, allegedly calling Cutler the P-word, wrist surgery and now this controversy.

Nice teammate. Nothing "winning" about that recent track record.

I go back a long way with Urlacher, and I do like the guy, but it's been a while since he has helped the team with anything.

[1eyed_jack]

maybe i'm missing something, but i don't personally know anyone that didn't want cutler when the trade was made. i don't remember anyone saying they wanted orton over cutler. i don't get that line in the story

[DMBZeppelin]

maybe i'm missing something, but i don't personally know anyone that didn't want cutler when the trade was made. i don't remember anyone saying they wanted orton over cutler. i don't get that line in the story
Probably not in this thread, but they were out there. Most of them like to call into the local radio stations.

[1eyed_jack]

Probably not in this thread, but they were out there. Most of them like to call into the local radio stations.

670 i'm sure :lol

[DMBZeppelin]

I was reading a Suntimes article. Apparently Aromashadu's catch against the Vikings (he only had one) made ESPN's Top 10. I was curious if it was up on NFL.com. The only vids they have are him on the Colts.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8052e7f5/Devin-Aromashodu-Highlight-WK-15-vs-Raiders-2007

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d80a40f15/Bombs-a-Gray

Not sure if that interest anyone but there they are.

[1eyed_jack]

god,. forte is miserable. probably the worst starting back in the league, if not bottom 5 for sure

[DMBZeppelin]

I think if Forte doesn't stumble he gets the 1st. Instead he's dragging people and.... FUMBLE! Oh well hopefully we can stop them.

[thebestauntie]

Has Cutler thrown an interception yet?

[DMBZeppelin]

god,. forte is miserable. probably the worst starting back in the league, if not bottom 5 for sure
I do think if we improve the O-line maybe he can get back on track, but he's just awful. He hesitates too much before hitting holes, and last year he fumbled once all year (if I remember correctly it was questionable). Now he's just bad.

[DMBZeppelin]

Has Cutler thrown an interception yet?
5 so far.

[thebestauntie]

5 so far.
:lol :lol

[DMBZeppelin]

You can tell the Rams are bad when Ogunleye sacks your QB.

[1eyed_jack]

you think if we combined the bears and lions into one team we would at least be a playoff contender? i really don't think we would, and that's with combining 2 NFL team into 1 :lol

[1eyed_jack]

You can tell the Rams are bad when Ogunleye sacks your QB.

:lol

[DMBZeppelin]

Dear god Devin Hester adjusted to the ball!?

[1eyed_jack]

you can tell the rams are bad when cutler completes a 20+ yard pass

[1eyed_jack]

that might be the most blatant pass interference i've ever seen

[DMBZeppelin]

you can tell the rams are bad when cutler completes a 20+ yard pass
That home graphic says it all. 3 INT's at home. 17 INT's on the road. That's like something you see out of a starting pitcher, not an NFL QB.

[DMBZeppelin]

that might be the most blatant pass interference i've ever seen
What's hilarious to me was that the ball just hit him. He never even tried to intercept it.

[1eyed_jack]

god, forte stood up twice.

[DMBZeppelin]

:lol the only reason that even worked is because everyone and their mama expected play action.

[Tiduwho]

3 times a charm. Good push up front there and cut to the bacl side.

[1eyed_jack]

holy shit, grossman is playing today

[DMBZeppelin]

holy shit, grossman is playing today
Are you taking a shot at Cutler, or did something happen to Shaub?

[1eyed_jack]

Are you taking a shot at Cutler, or did something happen to Shaub?

i don't know if anything happened, i just see he's in the box score as their quarterback. 0-2 so far :lol

not a knock on cutler, i would be much less subtle about that :lol

[DMBZeppelin]

Why did Hester field the ball at the 6? I thought most punt returners are told to let it bouce into the end zone inside 10 yards?

[DMBZeppelin]

:lol I think Cutler threw that into Olsen's hands more then Olsen caught it.

[DMBZeppelin]

Fumbled again hahahahahaha at least it went out of bounds.

[Tiduwho]

Rex is in?????? I want to watch!!!!!

[DMBZeppelin]

I'm confused on why that wasn't called.

[DMBZeppelin]

Hester!!! :multi

[Tiduwho]

What a fuckin catch from hester!!!!

Looks like one foot down. Damn.

[DMBZeppelin]

Damnit!

[Bron Yr Aur]

Would've been nice to see Hester even attempt to get that second foot down......

[DMBZeppelin]

It's nice to see Hester fight for balls today. No fear when you're playing the Rams.

[DMBZeppelin]

If the crappy sod hurt Robbie Gould god help us.

[DMBZeppelin]

In the 1st quarter

7 pass plays - 131 yards
8 run plays - 16 yards

[Tiduwho]

I'm so sick of our crap field. Its the worst in the league.

[DMBZeppelin]

So we average 2 yards a carry in the 1st quarter. Backed up against our end zone we need a 1st down. Three straight runs? Really? I don't understand Ron Turner.

[Bron Yr Aur]

What in the....? 3 straight run plays > punt

Meanwhile, the passing game has been highly successful so far. It's like Ron Turner wants this game to be close. All of this bullshit talk about the Bears being a running team so they have to back it up by running it often, even though we have had zero success with it today.

[DMBZeppelin]

So Hester fields a ball at the 6, but lets a ball that lands at the 13 go?

[Bron Yr Aur]

Woah...since when does the Bears' secondary make plays??

Oh, that's right....since they've been playing against Kyle Boller.

[DMBZeppelin]

Wow what a retarded string of calls. Two runs setp up an obvious passing down that goes no where. Then a fake!?

[Bron Yr Aur]

Just fire them all.

[Tiduwho]

Why would we do a fake fg shovel pass to olsen?? If that was somebody fast that woulda been a TD. Too bad no wolfe

[Bron Yr Aur]

Wow what a retarded string of calls. Two runs setp up an obvious passing down that goes no where. Then a fake!?

I mean, the 3rd and 4 was very gettable, but the passing play was so bad. We roll out Cutler and now only give the receivers half the field to get free....that play was doomed from the start, there was nowhere for anyone to go to get free.

And then that fake?? Moronic at best.

[DMBZeppelin]

Cutler doesn't have a single passing yard in the 2nd quarter. Meanwhile we're now averaging 1.9 yards per carry. The bus has a flat.

[DMBZeppelin]

We have 1:14 to go and 2 timeouts and we're only up by 7. We'll probably take a knee.

[DMBZeppelin]

1st quarter

7 pass plays - 131 yards
8 run plays - 16 yards

2nd quarter

3 pass plays - 0 yards
6 run plays - 14 yards

[DMBZeppelin]

This is the 2nd time all year we've led at halftime.... wow.

[crashintonickdm]

how arent you killing this team?

[DMBZeppelin]

how arent you killing this team?
We refuse to pass the ball. 131 passing yards in the 1st quarter, none in the 2nd. They want to fix the horrible running game. It's not going well.

[DMBZeppelin]

Wow Williams barely touched the defensive end.

[DMBZeppelin]

I think that's Bennett's first TD of his career.

[DMBZeppelin]

Why do our screen passes suck so much?

[DMBZeppelin]

Wow... again the Bears and pass interference don't exist.

[DMBZeppelin]

I don't know why Lovie is smiling. We just won a game by 8 points againt the Rams.

[UCFish]

Win.......

[DMBZeppelin]

Cutler had 131 passing yards in the 1st quarter, and 12 passing yards the rest of the game.

[DMBZeppelin]

Total Yards
Bears - 248
Rams - 233

Passing Yards
Bears - 128
Rams- 98

Rushing Yards
Bears - 120
Rams - 135

Time of Possession
Bears - 28:00
Rams - 32:00

I'm very scared to think of how this game turns out of Marc Bulger is healthy.

[DMBZeppelin]

Bears on Charlie Weis' radar (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/1924692,CST-SPT-nd07.article)

A source close to Charlie Weis confirmed that the former Notre Dame coach would be interested in the Bears' offensive coordinator position if it were to become available after this season.

Ron Turner holds that job with the Bears, though the offense's poor performance and quarterback Jay Cutler's struggles have led to speculation that the Bears will dump Turner.

Six teams are reportedly interested in talking to Weis about returning to the role of offensive coordinator that he once held with the Super Bowl-champion New England Patriots, but the Bears' job is intriguing to Weis for reasons that are both personal and professional.

By working in Chicago, Weis' son, Charlie Jr., could graduate from St. Joseph's High School in South Bend, Ind., and wife Maura could continue to run Hannah and Friends, the nonprofit foundation named for their daughter and dedicated to helping children and young adults with autism and other special needs. The couple remains committed to the charity and hopes to continue to base it out of a farm north of South Bend.

Bears coach Lovie Smith still has two years and $10 million left on the contract extension he signed in the wake of the team's Super Bowl appearance and is expected to keep his job barring a complete meltdown by his team in its final four games. Working with a defensive-minded coach such as Smith would likely give Weis more autonomy while trying to revive the Bears' impotent offense.

Mentoring Cutler would also be an attractive challenge for a man who helped develop three-time Super Bowl-winning quarterback Tom Brady earlier in his career as well as tutoring Brady Quinn and Jimmy Clausen, who became two of the most prolific passers in Notre Dame history.

The source, who speaks with Weis daily, said Weis would also relish the chance to prove naysayers wrong and ultimately prove he's a successful coach in the same media market that has labeled him a failure after two straight 6-6 regular seasons at Notre Dame.

Weis would never break protocol and contact the Bears while Turner is still employed by the team, according to the source, but would be open to discussing the possibility if the Bears contacted him.

Weis was a successful offensive coordinator for the Super Bowl-champion Patriots before accepting the Notre Dame job after the 2004 season. Weis, who was dismissed by Notre Dame last week, has said in published interviews that he fully expects to return to the NFL coaching ranks next season.

Mike Martz might be another candidate to take over the Bears' offense if Turner is fired. Martz, an analyst for NFL Network, made Lovie Smith his defensive coordinator when he was the head coach of the St. Louis Rams and Smith later consulted Martz when he was putting together his staff after being hired by the Bears in 2004.

Turner's contract expires after next season.

[BotheDMBFan]

Bo-Ner.

[DMBZeppelin]

I really really really don't like Weis, and he was a horrible head coach. That being said he did run a good offense in New England with a bunch of no name receivers. They never had an elite running back either. Good coordinators don't always make good head coaches. I don't think we'll find anyone more qualified. I'd probably take Weis over Martz considering we don't have the personel for it.

[BotheDMBFan]

I really really really don't like Weis, and he was a horrible head coach. That being said he did run a good offense in New England with a bunch of no name receivers. They never had an elite running back either. Good coordinators don't always make good head coaches. I don't think we'll find anyone more qualified. I'd probably take Weis over Martz considering we don't have the personel for it.

I will say this though, unless we fire Lovie this year or we have a huge turnaround next season...the guy we hire at OC will probably become our HC in 2 years.

Weis' problem was his arrogance, and his playbook was too complicated for college. It should work in the NFL though. He may be able to bring in Romeo as DC too if he ends up becoming our head coach.

[DMBZeppelin]

I will say this though, unless we fire Lovie this year or we have a huge turnaround next season...the guy we hire at OC will probably become our HC in 2 years.
The only way that happens is if he turns this offense into a power house. Otherwise I find that unlikely. Because Lovie and Angelo will likely kick the bucket together. Meaning the new GM will want his guy.

[BotheDMBFan]

The only way that happens is if he turns this offense into a power house. Otherwise I find that unlikely. Because Lovie and Angelo will likely kick the bucket together. Meaning the new GM will want his guy.

Fair point. The OC would certainly be in the conversation though; and if the players like him? Watch the hell out.

[DMBZeppelin]

Weis' problem was his arrogance, and his playbook was too complicated for college. It should work in the NFL though. He may be able to bring in Romeo as DC too if he ends up becoming our head coach.
Ya and as a person I don't like Weis. I do think he's someone who could clash with Cutler in a good way. Shanahan had a strong personality as well. I think Cutler needs a coach like that. Laid back Ron isn't getting through to him. Though the horrible personel and play calling don't help either.

Only thing is I'm not sure if Lovie would want Weis. He's pretty big on running the ball. The Pats ran the ball with Brady, but they were a passing team. Even when all their receivers sucked.

[DMBZeppelin]

Fair point. The OC would certainly be in the conversation though; and if the players like him? Watch the hell out.
Well if they fire Lovie a plus for the OC is it probably be much cheaper to hire him. We know how the McCaskey's love to save a dime. It will cost a lot to rid of Lovie.

[BotheDMBFan]

Ya and as a person I don't like Weis. I do think he's someone who could clash with Cutler in a good way. Shanahan had a strong personality as well. I think Cutler needs a coach like that. Laid back Ron isn't getting through to him. Though the horrible personel and play calling don't help either.

Only thing is I'm not sure if Lovie would want Weis. He's pretty big on running the ball. The Pats ran the ball with Brady, but they were a passing team. Even when all their receivers sucked.

Forte would benefit under the Weis system. Martz' too, but in a different way.

Weis wrote amazing blocking schemes (as did Martz, but Martz were amazing that he could have the line block JUST long enough to get the play developed. Then the QB diez)

[JTRocks]

Bear weather!!!

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

After watching The Packers D just destroy The Ravens tonight it's fair to say that we don't stand a chance. Cutler will be getting pressure all day again as usual.

Look out for Charles Woodson he looked pretty good last night.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

And if I see another screen pass for no gain or wasted first down where we hand off to Forte up the middle for no gain, there's no telling what I'm gonna do.

[DMBZeppelin]

Bates a possibility in Chicago (http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=schefter_adam)

If Bears quarterback Jay Cutler (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9597) has any say about the Bears' next offensive coordinator -- and with the investment that Chicago has made in him, he will -- then it very well could be USC's offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates. Cutler and Bates worked together in Denver and were so close that, after the Broncos fired Mike Shanahan, the quarterback told the team that he only would stay if Bates stayed. But Bates went off to USC, Cutler went off to Chicago and each has struggled this season.

USC scored 30 or more points in only two of its nine Pac-10 games and Cutler is tied with Matthew Stafford (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12483) for the NFL lead in interceptions with 20. Now multiple sources around the league believe that the two men are destined to work together again. For starters, USC is expected to allow Bates to leave for Chicago if the Bears will hire him. Cutler would vouch for Bates the second the Bears asked. Some have speculated that either Charlie Weis or Mike Martz could be the Bears' next offensive coordinator. But the more informed opinion is that it will be Bates.

For the time being, Chicago still has its offensive coordinator, Ron Turner, but changes are expected to the Bears' offensive staff. And changes that sweep out Chicago's offensive coaches easily could wind up ushering in Bates.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

Bates a possibility in Chicago (http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=schefter_adam)

If Bears quarterback Jay Cutler (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9597) has any say about the Bears' next offensive coordinator -- and with the investment that Chicago has made in him, he will -- then it very well could be USC's offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates. Cutler and Bates worked together in Denver and were so close that, after the Broncos fired Mike Shanahan, the quarterback told the team that he only would stay if Bates stayed. But Bates went off to USC, Cutler went off to Chicago and each has struggled this season.

USC scored 30 or more points in only two of its nine Pac-10 games and Cutler is tied with Matthew Stafford (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12483) for the NFL lead in interceptions with 20. Now multiple sources around the league believe that the two men are destined to work together again. For starters, USC is expected to allow Bates to leave for Chicago if the Bears will hire him. Cutler would vouch for Bates the second the Bears asked. Some have speculated that either Charlie Weis or Mike Martz could be the Bears' next offensive coordinator. But the more informed opinion is that it will be Bates.

For the time being, Chicago still has its offensive coordinator, Ron Turner, but changes are expected to the Bears' offensive staff. And changes that sweep out Chicago's offensive coaches easily could wind up ushering in Bates.

Well that would be nice.

[BotheDMBFan]

Bates would be nice. And USC's offense is doing very well because that team is not very good.

[BotheDMBFan]

USC's offense is NOT doing very well because the team sucks, excuse my error.

[Bron Yr Aur]

Anyone but Turner. Anybody.

[BotheDMBFan]

Get Bruce Campbell to do it.

[AlexK79]

I really really really don't like Weis, and he was a horrible head coach. That being said he did run a good offense in New England with a bunch of no name receivers. They never had an elite running back either. Good coordinators don't always make good head coaches. I don't think we'll find anyone more qualified. I'd probably take Weis over Martz considering we don't have the personel for it.

Agreed. We don't have the time or draft picks to completely overhaul our offensive personnel, and outside of Cutler I think our current personnel fits Weis' system a lot better than Martz. Our small WRs are much better suited for the quick passing scheme with a lot of slants, quick hitches, etc...

That said, I would bet dollars to donuts that Bates ends up being the guy, he'll come a lot cheaper and we all know the Bears aren't big on hiring 'name' coaches.

Despite the victory, I hope Sunday was the final nail in Turner's coffin. I was at the game on Sunday, and I called about 70% of the plays before the snap. By the end of the game everyone around us was cracking up. Now, I like to think I know a lot about football, but I don't think I'm going to be getting any NFL job offers any time soon - if some schmoe in the stands can dissect Turner's scheme from 100 yards away, that's simply pathetic.

The thing about Turner that drives me up the wall, even moresoe than his refusal to abandon things that aren't working, is his refusal to return to things that do work. In the first quarter, we hit the bomb to Hester and get the PI on the long pass to Knox in the end zone. Then we NEVER go downfield the rest of the game!

You know they won't eat Lovie's contract, so I hope whoever they bring in as OC is given free rein to totally revamp this offense. The Bears as a franchise cling to this stubborn notion of "Bear football": ultra conservative offense, strong D, winning ugly. It doesn't have to be that way. It's not the 40s anymore. You've got a QB with the skill set to run a dynamic, high powered offense if we can get the right people around him. Let's not waste it.

[Tiduwho]

No Weis. No Martz.


End of story.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

Anyone but Turner. Anybody.

EXaCTLY!

Fuck Turner.

FUCK TURNER!

[cwsrule88]

even though they have been really bad this year i am pumped to go to the game on sunday

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

even though they have been really bad this year i am pumped to go to the game on sunday

Have fun getting dowsed in beer.

We are gonna get slaughtered.

[Bron Yr Aur]

This game is going to be ugly. What terrible, terrible play calling.

Let me get this straight, you get 8 yards on first down, then pass it again on 2nd down but run it (and not even with Forte) on 3rd down?

[Tiduwho]

This game is going to be ugly. What terrible, terrible play calling.

Let me get this straight, you get 8 yards on first down, then pass it again on 2nd down but run it (and not even with Forte) on 3rd down?

Fucking STUPID Turner.

[Bron Yr Aur]

lololol

I hope we get crushed the rest of the season so we can dump our coaching staff.

[MPizzle06]

Fucking STUPID Turner.

:BANG:BANG:BANG

He needs to be GONE

lololol

I hope we get crushed the rest of the season so we can dump our coaching staff.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[DMBZeppelin]

I wonder if they'll give Bullock another down. What he just did was god awful. Why would you abandon your gap like that?

[Bron Yr Aur]

Whoever the color guy is, this guy is pretty smart. The importance of these stupid penalties we get week after week cannot be overstated. It just kills our drives.

[Bron Yr Aur]

FUCK. Stop with these goddamn penalties you morons.

[DMBZeppelin]

Even though it didn't count that was a nice run by Cutler.

[Bron Yr Aur]

This game is over. It was really over before it started.

[Tiduwho]

If they overturn this, I'm going to be so fucking pissed.

They have SHOWN THIS over and over this season, that you HAVE to maintain possession the whole time. It's BS, and I agree that that should be a touchdown. But by rule, I've seen them call it that way all season long. The "once you possess the ball in the end zone it is an automatic TD" no longer exists.

This has pissed me off all year, but they BETTER not go against the rule that has been scrweing

[Bron Yr Aur]

Bad, bad call. That looked like a touchdown to me.

[DMBZeppelin]

If they overturn this, I'm going to be so fucking pissed.

They have SHOWN THIS over and over this season, that you HAVE to maintain possession the whole time. It's BS, and I agree that that should be a touchdown. But by rule, I've seen them call it that way all season long. The "once you possess the ball in the end zone it is an automatic TD" no longer exists.

This has pissed me off all year, but they BETTER not go against the rule that has been scrweing
Ya I agree it should be a TD, but right now I'm glad it's not. Though I'm sure they'll score anyways.

[DMBZeppelin]

Bad, bad call. That looked like a touchdown to me.
It's not a bad call. It's 100% the correct call. The rule is just stupid.

[Tiduwho]

It's not a bad call. It's 100% the correct call. The rule is just stupid.

Yup...and yup.

[DMBZeppelin]

Nothing like barely giving up a 1st down on 3rd down. The Bears defense has mastered this.

[Bron Yr Aur]

3rd and 11 should not be that easy.

[DMBZeppelin]

I don't believe it we got a sack!

[DMBZeppelin]

I can't believe we held them to a field goal.

[Tiduwho]

What in the fuck was that????


Cutler threw off his back foot, way to Rex it up out there.

[Bron Yr Aur]

What in the fuck. This is sad. Jay Cutler, stop throwing off your back foot please.

[DMBZeppelin]

Oh thank god Rodgers missed the throw. That's the only way thing that can stop them.

[DMBZeppelin]

Packers are going for the throat.

[Bron Yr Aur]

Uhh....seriously, that was the most blatant holding I've ever seen. The packers guy pretty much wrapped up the Bears player and then fell on him, and no call?? What?

Ok....that call is going to cost us 3 or most likely 7 points.

[americanemu25]

i hope the bears can get a stop here, that would be money

[DMBZeppelin]

Hopefully we can avoid turnovers on this drive.

[Bron Yr Aur]

Why don't they ever call pass interference when defenders bump our receivers out of the way? This happens every single week.

[DMBZeppelin]

:lol I just went back to watch that 2nd down where Cutler threw it away. We had 6 blockers, and they only sent 4 guys. Yet all four of them got through to Cutler.

[DMBZeppelin]

Why don't they ever call pass interference when defenders bump our receivers out of the way? This happens every single week.
Passing rules don't apply to the Bears.

[DMBZeppelin]

I can't believe we converted that.

[DMBZeppelin]

Damnit Cutler you need to hit DA there.

[Bron Yr Aur]

Goddamnit Cutler, step into your fucking throws.

[DMBZeppelin]

Goddamnit Cutler, step into your fucking throws.
He didn't throw off his back foot on the deep pass to DA. He just missed it.

[DMBZeppelin]

Bennett you have to get that foot down!

[DMBZeppelin]

That might be worth a challenge.

[DMBZeppelin]

What a throw to Knox. What a catch by Knox.

[DMBZeppelin]

What a BS call on Manneley.

[Bron Yr Aur]

He didn't throw off his back foot on the deep pass to DA. He just missed it.

Ok, he just stood there. He did not step into that pass at all. Every single deep pass that he has to throw up in the air is underthrown. He stands there flat footed and doesn't step into it.

[DMBZeppelin]

Ok, he just stood there. He did not step into that pass at all. Every single deep pass that he has to throw up in the air is underthrown. He stands there flat footed and doesn't step into it.
We need to get a QB coach in here who can get get his footwork right. It pretty much went to shit when he spent all those games running for his life. I'm surprised Pep Hammilton still has a job. Rex's footwork was always horrible, and Orton's could have been better.

[DMBZeppelin]

GB obviously used their timeout to see if the booth would challenge.

[Bron Yr Aur]

Definitely. Sometimes I wonder if anyone even mentions it to him. Well either way, the haters will still say the Bears would be winning this game, but the only reason we have points is Cutler.

[DMBZeppelin]

Definitely. Sometimes I wonder if anyone even mentions it to him. Well either way, the haters will still say the Bears would be winning this game, but the only reason we have points is Cutler.
Ya I hope we don't bring back Turner and Pep. Because as bad as Cutler has been at points this year. I think most of us see flashes of how good he could be. The Bears need to do everything possible to make sure he has every chance to reach that. Though that will involve spending money on coaching and a supporting cast. So it will never happen.

[DMBZeppelin]

What a crazy interception.

[DMBZeppelin]

Knox looks like a real receiver for the first time all year.

[Bron Yr Aur]

What a crazy interception.

Was that actually ruled an interception? Looked like a fumble to me. Either way, this game really has turned around.

Seriously, where has DA been all year? This guy should have been getting much more playing time.

[DMBZeppelin]

Seriously, where has DA been all year? This guy should have been getting much more playing time.
He had a moster training camp. He hurt his quad before week 1. Knox came in and had some big games. So he was inactive for a long time. All year long Cutler has complained saying he needs to get into games, but also said he understands the other three have done nothing wrong to lose playing time. Cutler did say he wanted DA in to do some back shoulder stuff and jump balls. We've seen that today.

[DMBZeppelin]

Was that actually ruled an interception? Looked like a fumble to me. Either way, this game really has turned around.

Seriously, where has DA been all year? This guy should have been getting much more playing time.
It was ruled an INT, but they just changed the ruling to two fumbles.

[Bron Yr Aur]

Yeah, I mean, it's kind of hard. Our receivers are young an inexperienced, but there's talent there. It's just, there's not enough to go around between Hester, Knox, Olsen, Bennett, and Aromashodu. And then it'd still be nice to involve Forte in the passing game more.

[BotheDMBFan]

It'd be nice if Forte knew his ass from a hole in the ground.

[DMBZeppelin]

Yeah, I mean, it's kind of hard. Our receivers are young an inexperienced, but there's talent there. It's just, there's not enough to go around between Hester, Knox, Olsen, Bennett, and Aromashodu. And then it'd still be nice to involve Forte in the passing game more.
I like our receiver as well, but I do think we need a #1. I wish we would stop using Hester as a receiver. He's exceeded expectations, but it limits him. I'd rather have the best returner ever over a mediocre receiver with great skills. Not that I never want to see Hester on offese again, but I don't want it to be his main job. He earned his contract doing one thing, and then we paid him for it and told him to do something else.

[phlaming lips]

Let's get Olsen the ball, heh?

[DMBZeppelin]

We took DA out and ran the ball. We need to stop giving away the play with personel. We do that a lot.

[Bron Yr Aur]

Why is Rashied Davis in this damn game? Why aren't we playing Forte anymore? What the fuck????

[DMBZeppelin]

Why are we punting!? We had so much momentum.

[BotheDMBFan]

That's a rule?

[Bron Yr Aur]

I like our receiver as well, but I do think we need a #1. I wish we would stop using Hester as a receiver. He's exceeded expectations, but it limits him. I'd rather have the best returner ever over a mediocre receiver with great skills. Not that I never want to see Hester on offese again, but I don't want it to be his main job. He earned his contract doing one thing, and then we paid him for it and told him to do something else.

Eh, I don't know. Hester has improved a lot this year and though he's small, who's to say he won't continue to improve. His hands have gotten a lot better and he catches just about anything thrown at him. He still isn't perfect on his routes and doesn't adjust that well, but he's our best receiver, so until we have a Randy Moss or Reggie Wayne you have to have him out there.

[Bron Yr Aur]

GB seems to be better on 3rd and long than 3rd and short today.

Seriously, where has this defense been all year?

[DMBZeppelin]

Eh, I don't know. Hester has improved a lot this year and though he's small, who's to say he won't continue to improve. His hands have gotten a lot better and he catches just about anything thrown at him. He still isn't perfect on his routes and doesn't adjust that well, but he's our best receiver, so until we have a Randy Moss or Reggie Wayne you have to have him out there.
Ya but Hester is going to be like a 800-1,000 yard receiver who gets about 4 TD's a year. As a returner he was giving us 6 TD's a year. In 07' he still played a little offense and got a TD or two running fly routes. But it was the way he effected the rest of the game. We blocked punts because the punter would try to get a good directional punt. We almost always got the ball on offense at around the 40. He won games for us. I don't think he impacts the game in the same way now.

I understand those who want him as a receiver, but I just don't see him being an elite player there the way he was before.

[BotheDMBFan]

I don't see him being a great returner ever again, regardless of how much he plays on O.

[DMBZeppelin]

That may have been Forte's best carry all year. He actually didn't go down on first contact.

[Bron Yr Aur]

Goddamnit.

[Tiduwho]

Cool.

[DMBZeppelin]

How can Knox and Cutler be on such a different page? I don't understand it. I'm sick of all the penalties and interceptions. Hopfully we can hold them to a field goal.

[Bron Yr Aur]

That was just a bad pass, Zep. He was under pressure and he should've just thrown it out of bounds. Instead, he stood there flat-footed and tried to do....something.

[DMBZeppelin]

That was just a bad pass, Zep. He was under pressure and he should've just thrown it out of bounds. Instead, he stood there flat-footed and tried to do....something.
I thought Knox was suppose to run a comeback when I saw it live. If it was just a forced throw then I have zero understanding of where he was going with it. We have to stop the damn turnovers.

[Bron Yr Aur]

I thought Knox was suppose to run a comeback when I saw it live. If it was just a forced throw then I have zero understanding of where he was going with it. We have to stop the damn turnovers.

Fewer penalties would be nice, too.

[Bron Yr Aur]

Brian Billick is probably the best color guy doing NFL games, I think. His insights are actually intelligent.

[DMBZeppelin]

What a horrible throw.

[Bron Yr Aur]

That was a bad call. You apparently can't hit people in football anymore.

[BotheDMBFan]

Brian Billick is probably the best color guy doing NFL games, I think. His insights are actually intelligent.

And yet, I'd love it for Da Bears to hire him.

[DMBZeppelin]

:multi HE MISSED IT!!!!

[Bron Yr Aur]

Fucking penalties. All day long.