Da Bears

[AFurth]

Da Bears.

Hester.

nfl record baby ;). that's two on the year (tied vasher for longest return in a game/play from scrimmage)

[Tiduwho]

Blah, all this garbage time yards and points. Really bringing the Bears D stats down.

[Carbon Copy]

funny how commentators join the grossman bandwagon

[Tiduwho]

funny how commentators join the grossman bandwagon


:ugh


They gave Rex some kind words after he made plays, but the bandwagon they are on is Devin Hester.

[UNC41]

Devin Hester is disgusting.

[Carbon Copy]

no im tired of the 180 degree switch on grossman's ass. one game. he's the streakiest player in the league.

[Tiduwho]

no im tired of the 180 degree switch on grossman's ass. one game. he's the streakiest player in the league.


So you're saying Professional Commentators should not talk about what's going on on the field, and instead say "This is just one game, Rex has been inconsistent so you viewers need not get excited."

Again...:ugh

[DMBZeppelin]

Rex Grossman under huge media pressure. Basically being told "the 1st half is your last chance." and even shared 50% of his practice snaps. Under all this he came out of it and did fine. Big game choke Griese didn't even see the field, and HOW ABOUT THAT 22 YARD RUN!?!? That was awesome. Hester was just frickin' ridiculous!

[seekupig]

is Rex Grossman the new Ricky Williams? why is he doing an interview with his helmet on?

[UNC41]

is Rex Grossman the new Ricky Williams? why is he doing an interview with his helmet on?

Ditka is waiting in the locker room with a dress.

[Play_Like_Fonz]

Nice game tonight. I admit that I was worried in the first half for a while.

[davehead86]

Holy Hell.

Devin Hester baby. (even without his two returns would woulda won by one point.

[BotheDMBFan]

Devin Hester= MVP.





A guy can dream......

[BotheDMBFan]

By the way, let's keep Devin away from microphones.....

[Tiduwho]

By the way, let's keep Devin away from microphones.....

I missed the interview because my buddy was talking to me. But I heard it was another hilarious "what the hell is he saying?" interviews. :lol

[UCFish]

By the way, let's keep Devin away from microphones.....

definitely :lol

[DMBZeppelin]

By the way, let's keep Devin away from microphones.....
It's not that he can't talk. He just talks so fast it's not audible to the human ear. He's that amazing! I guess Lovie said they are considering putting Hester on offense. It be amazing if they did. Even if they just use him as a decoy. Run a play action pass with him and Berrian would be wide open for Rex. Throw him a screen and see what happens. Run a draw with Jones and give him the option to throw a screen to Hester or if everyone is flocking to Hester he could run for a huge ammount of yards.

[BotheDMBFan]

Or we have him keep doing what he's doing, and give him less chance to get hurt.

[DMBZeppelin]

Or we have him keep doing what he's doing, and give him less chance to get hurt.
So having him play most of the game on defense, and returning kick offs and punts... and you really think a couple more snaps on offense will make the difference? Chances are people are going to stop kicking to Hester and we need him with the balls in his hands any way possible.

[BotheDMBFan]

I didn't get to watch the game today, but I heard that he was absolutly rank on defense(in the bad way), however he was just filling in for injuries, so yeah.

Maybe the occasional offensive play, but nto much more than that.

And teams will continue to kick to him, because he's also a tad fumble prone.

Also, which of the two Rookie of the Year catagories is he going to win....I mean be up for?

[Tiduwho]

I didn't get to watch the game today, but I heard that he was absolutly rank on defense(in the bad way), however he was just filling in for injuries, so yeah.

Maybe the occasional offensive play, but nto much more than that.

And teams will continue to kick to him, because he's also a tad fumble prone.

Also, which of the two Rookie of the Year catagories is he going to win....I mean be up for?

He had one bad play, when he was matched up against Holt in the red zone (for God know's why), other than that his only mistake was not being able to haul in an INT that he dove for.

[DMBZeppelin]

I didn't get to watch the game today, but I heard that he was absolutly rank on defense(in the bad way), however he was just filling in for injuries, so yeah.

Maybe the occasional offensive play, but nto much more than that.

And teams will continue to kick to him, because he's also a tad fumble prone.

Also, which of the two Rookie of the Year catagories is he going to win....I mean be up for?
Besides where he got burned for the TD he played well. Better then I thought he ever could actually. If he played so horribly I doubt he would have played nearly the whole game.

[DMBZeppelin]

Things came together for Grossman during a tape session with Turner on Saturday. Turner dug up tape of Grossman's first five games when everyone wanted to anoint him MVP.

"Rex, look at that," Turner told Grossman. "You're back, you're decisive, you are making quick reads, you're setting your feet up in the pocket. You are doing all of that stuff you got away from. Let's get back to that and have fun."

Grossman sat in the room quietly. Then a little smile came across his face.

"I'm ready to go play," Grossman told Turner.

[saygdbye4134]

the defense hopefully had a wake up call last night.


we let them get to us by air and ground. unacceptable.

[davehead86]

Groosman did good because they werent having him throw bombs the whole night. Short passes, screens, 20 yard throws, thats the shit he does good with, did ya see when he threw that one bomb, almost intercepted, we cant have that, Rex and Turner hopefully figured out that the deep bomb is something only to be used on rare ocasions and that Rex needs to practice with it more.


As for the D, god that first half was horid, like they didnt care. Im not to sure what all happened with their line set up causew i suck at that stuff but guys were missing tackles, and leaving the sides open, whatever changed in the second half was for the better though.

[BotheDMBFan]

To be fair, the Rams offense is very good, I'm not excusing that "performance"(I finally got to watch the first half on tivo) by the Defense, however I htink we'll do just fine. I also think that we should plug Alfonso Boone in Harris' spot, as opposed to Tank Johnson.

[TheOtherside]

bears.

[BotheDMBFan]

Ditka

[cbotnyse]

Hester.

[cbotnyse]

Sausage.

[BotheDMBFan]

Sexy Rexy

[cbotnyse]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6205366969068796814&q=devin+hester

[DMBZeppelin]

Groosman did good because they werent having him throw bombs the whole night. Short passes, screens, 20 yard throws, thats the shit he does good with, did ya see when he threw that one bomb, almost intercepted, we cant have that, Rex and Turner hopefully figured out that the deep bomb is something only to be used on rare ocasions and that Rex needs to practice with it more.


As for the D, god that first half was horid, like they didnt care. Im not to sure what all happened with their line set up causew i suck at that stuff but guys were missing tackles, and leaving the sides open, whatever changed in the second half was for the better though.
Rex knows how to throw the deep ball. That's kind of what he's best at. Trust me many more times in Rex's career will see deep bombs go for TD's. Look at the touch down to Moose. That wasn't a bomb, but he threw it like one. It landed perfectly where only Moose could get it. Plus if you took the deep throws away from Rex then there's no reason not to have Griese in. He gives you that added dimension.

The good thing about that almost INT was that Berrian made a play. The type of QB Grossman he'll throw a ball to where the reciever HAS to make a play. Whether it be catching the ball for a big gain or breaking it up so the corner back doesn't intercept it. But hey that's been working out ok for our division rival in Green Bay for like 14 seasons now.

[Tiduwho]

This bodes well....


Tank Johnson's house was raided in a drug bust this morning. He was not present at the time, but drugs were found. Just what we need, another loss to the defense. Without Tommie or Tank, our d-line really takes a few steps backwards.

[TheOtherside]

This bodes well....


Tank Johnson's house was raided in a drug bust this morning. He was not present at the time, but drugs were found. Just what we need, another loss to the defense. Without Tommie or Tank, our d-line really takes a few steps backwards.

oh man, if this was state police... what the hell, aren't there any bears fans in the police dept? this couldn't wait 2 months? bastards.

yes, i am blaming the police rather than Tank.

[Tiduwho]

oh man, if this was state police... what the hell, aren't there any bears fans in the police dept? this couldn't wait 2 months? bastards.

yes, i am blaming the police rather than Tank.

It was the Northern Illinois Gurnee Police or thereabouts. Locals.

[1eyed_jack]

haha, gurnee is 5-10 minutes from me

[Tiduwho]

I like Gurnee Mills, but every time I go there there are about 1,000 Navy guys walking around, what's up with that?


Also, Six Flags Great America!

[DMBZeppelin]

He's out on bond. As long as he doesn't plead guilty it will be a while before there's a trial. So by the time he could get suspended by the NFL it will be next season. At that time will have Dusty Dvorcek back. He seemed like he was going to be a beast.

[Tiduwho]

He's out on bond. As long as he doesn't plead guilty it will be a while before there's a trial. So by the time he could get suspended by the NFL it will be next season. At that time will have Dusty Dvorcek back. He seemed like he was going to be a beast.



Let's hope so.....(to all of it).

[Tiduwho]

It appears reports of the Bears offensive demise were greatly exaggerated. Can't wait to prove it in the playoffs.



Too bad they're kicking away from Devin every time. Lame sauce.

[tedies]

this i a dumb question but what does the GSH mean on your uniforms... for some reason i cant think of it thanks

[Tiduwho]

George Stanley Halas





OMFG our defense is bad. We are B.A.D. Our safeties are shit now, the injuries are too much. We're fucked.




I can't believe how bad our defense is outside of Briggs and Urlacher.

[Franchize41]

this 2nd half has absolutely floored me

[Bron Yr Aur]

The defense really let us down in the second half today....it was like they just stopped playing....

And what the hell was with the offensive play calling in the second half?? Run on 1st and 2nd down, pass on 3rd, EVERY time. That's not predictable or anything....

And seriously, with over a minute to go and 3 timeouts, you've GOT to give the offense a chance. Rex can be bad, but he played great all game. You've got to give him a chance, because he can make big plays.

[cbotnyse]

George Stanley Halas





OMFG our defense is bad. We are B.A.D. Our safeties are shit now, the injuries are too much. We're fucked.




I can't believe how bad our defense is outside of Briggs and Urlacher.deep breath.....come back off the ledge. We are fine.

[cbotnyse]

deep breath.....come back off the ledge. We are fine.defense causes a turnover! told ya!:bounce :bounce :bounce

[DMBZeppelin]

I wasn't feeling well and fell asleep before the game. I just woke up when the defense caused the turnover. I'll back track and see what you guys said, but how did Tampa score 31? Did one of us come from behind cause OT? How has Rex been?

[Tiduwho]

I wasn't feeling well and fell asleep before the game. I just woke up when the defense caused the turnover. I'll back track and see what you guys said, but how did Tampa score 31? Did one of us come from behind cause OT? How has Rex been?

Rex has played great the whole game. Very consistent, taking the drop-offs alot, and desmond clark has been amazing.


It was 24 to 3, and then our defense just fell apart. Letting Rattay drive all the way down, letting Alstott run all over them. TD, then Hester got hit and fumbled up into the air the Bucs get the ball at the 10, and another TD. Then Rex led them down against, TD for Benson.

Then just like that, two long ass TD passes that were simple crossing routes and a pass that Daniel Manning was supposed to be over the top, but instead left Ricky Manning Jr on an island TD.


What a joke, seriously, this game is a joke. Tim Rattay!!!!

[DMBZeppelin]

Wow I thought that Hester would fumble when he got hit like that. That was just crazy.

[DMBZeppelin]

Why don't they run a play to get the ball spotted in the middle of the up rights???? IT'S 1st DOWN! I don't care if it's a no gain run play. Just get the ball to the middle!

[cbotnyse]

never a doubt

[Tiduwho]

Yeah, the whole point was definitely to get Robbie's confidence back, that was all Lovie there. Had to make sure Gould knew he could hit a game winner off the hash.


Great day for Rex and the offense. Horrible, God Awful 2nd half for the defense.

[DMBZeppelin]

Rex has played great the whole game. Very consistent, taking the drop-offs alot, and desmond clark has been amazing.


It was 24 to 3, and then our defense just fell apart. Letting Rattay drive all the way down, letting Alstott run all over them. TD, then Hester got hit and fumbled up into the air the Bucs get the ball at the 10, and another TD. Then Rex led them down against, TD for Benson.

Then just like that, two long ass TD passes that were simple crossing routes and a pass that Daniel Manning was supposed to be over the top, but instead left Ricky Manning Jr on an island TD.


What a joke, seriously, this game is a joke. Tim Rattay!!!!
I just looked at the stats. Bears gave up in total 57 yards rushing. In almost 5 quarters that's pretty nice. I wish they would have let Rex try to get another TD. It seemed like he was making all the right throws.

[DMBZeppelin]

Just saw Rex is 29 for 44 with 339 Yards and 2 TDs. What's the completion percentage of that???? I know 29 times times 2 is 58. So he could have thrown 14 straight imcompletions and be at the 50% mark still. THAT'S INSANE! So if anyone knows the exact thing I'd be interested in knowing. Oh and did he run at all today?

[Tiduwho]

He took what the defense gave him, he was excellent. Without Rex, we lose this game today.



Rex can WIN games, the "all we need is a caretaker QB" is proving a myth. Our defense won't be able to do the job themselves in the playoffs anymore with all of these guys gone. Tank, Tommie, Mike Brown, Vasher, Todd Johnson, gah, Daniel Manning was horrible today.

[TheOtherside]

hmmm, so missing three pro bowlers and another big game db does have a negative affect on a defense. who would have thought!

[DMBZeppelin]

He took what the defense gave him, he was excellent. Without Rex, we lose this game today.



Rex can WIN games, the "all we need is a caretaker QB" is proving a myth. Our defense won't be able to do the job themselves in the playoffs anymore with all of these guys gone. Tank, Tommie, Mike Brown, Vasher, Todd Johnson, gah, Daniel Manning was horrible today.
It's going to be a lot like the Carolina games in the playoffs. Beat up defense and it's going to be all on Rex. Except he has playoff experiance now, and Benson is healthy. If we can keep Desmond Clark involved we might have a shot.

[UCFish]

hmmm, so missing three pro bowlers and another big game db does have a negative affect on a defense. who would have thought!

Yeah the lacking of pro bowl guys on D are really showing right now. BUT the playoffs go through Soldier Field!!!!!

[Bron Yr Aur]

Just saw Rex is 29 for 44 with 339 Yards and 2 TDs. What's the completion percentage of that???? I know 29 times times 2 is 58. So he could have thrown 14 straight imcompletions and be at the 50% mark still. THAT'S INSANE! So if anyone knows the exact thing I'd be interested in knowing. Oh and did he run at all today?

29 divided by 44. Hah, it's not like it's hard or something....it's 66%

[1eyed_jack]

Just saw Rex is 29 for 44 with 339 Yards and 2 TDs. What's the completion percentage of that???? I know 29 times times 2 is 58. So he could have thrown 14 straight imcompletions and be at the 50% mark still. THAT'S INSANE!


insane? there's 3 quarterbacks who are averaging that. it's a good percentage for sure, but insane? nah just a good day.

when breeze went 24-32 that was amazing

[Tiduwho]

Brett Favre has had days where he was like 30 for 34....as has Peyton. That's what falls under the "insane" cat for me.

[Bron Yr Aur]

What Rattay did in the second half was amazing....it didn't look like he could throw an incomplete pass at some points, and didn't he have something like 250 yards, in a single half of play??

[saygdbye4134]

the road to the super bowl goes through chicago, that's all that matters.

[davehead86]

Rex, my man. What a great job by him, the D fell apart in the second half though. God that was horrible.


Road to the Superbowl in chicago, hrm, last time that happened it sucked, lets change it this time.

[TheOtherside]

The Bears combined home playoff record in the new millennium? 0-2.

They better win at least one game or I'm going to be pissed.

[darbini]

The Bears would be nothing if it wasn't for the Gators on the team :)

[Tiduwho]

Rex, my man. What a great job by him, the D fell apart in the second half though. God that was horrible.


Road to the Superbowl in chicago, hrm, last time that happened it sucked, lets change it this time.


Yeah, but we didn't even have McMahon, Fuller was hurt too. We had Doug Flutie and Mike Tomczak who weren't exactly the cream of the NFL quarterback crop back then.

[davehead86]

Yeah, but we didn't even have McMahon, Fuller was hurt too. We had Doug Flutie and Mike Tomczak who weren't exactly the cream of the NFL quarterback crop back then.

True.

I have high hopes for this season although i know i really shouldnt, im gonna get dissapointed, lets just hope they win at least two playoff games thats all id want. :)

[darbini]

As long as they go to the big dance that'll do

[tofixyou]

It's going to be a lot like the Carolina games in the playoffs. Beat up defense and it's going to be all on Rex. Except he has playoff experiance now, and Benson is healthy. If we can keep Desmond Clark involved we might have a shot.

you make some good points except for the fact that....

Rex has 16 more games of experience,
It's not last year,
The past really has 0 influence on the future in terms of playoff games,
Our D is better than it was in the playoffs,
Our offense is better, both at the reciever and running back positions,
Coach has more experience,
Devin Hester,
#27 wont be gaurding Steve Smith,
The NFC is god awful,
Ditka,
The Bulls and Blackhawks arent sucking,
Our secondary is better,
We know how to use guns,
The hardest team we'll play is the Cowboys/Saints,
and... it's 2006

Stop worrying about last year, they are much more humble and self assured than they were last year.

[tofixyou]

The Bears combined home playoff record in the new millennium? 0-2.

They better win at least one game or I'm going to be pissed.

Look at the Pats playoff record in the 90's minus their superbowl year, look at the cowboys record in the 80's, I don't understand why people feel games played a year ago somehow effect games in the future... Have some faith and confidence in the boys, they're a lot better this year, and have some experience with adversity and tough games, they'll do fine, and roll to the superbowl

[tofixyou]

The Bears combined home playoff record in the new millennium? 0-2.

They better win at least one game or I'm going to be pissed.

What Rattay did in the second half was amazing....it didn't look like he could throw an incomplete pass at some points, and didn't he have something like 250 yards, in a single half of play??

I don't think playing a team that has a safety and a db sleeping insane, i call it good recognition of shitty play.

[dmb71687]

you make some good points except for the fact that....

Rex has 16 more games of experience,
It's not last year,
The past really has 0 influence on the future in terms of playoff games,
Our D is better than it was in the playoffs,
Our offense is better, both at the reciever and running back positions,
Coach has more experience,
Devin Hester,
#27 wont be gaurding Steve Smith,
The NFC is god awful,
Ditka,
The Bulls and Blackhawks arent sucking,
Our secondary is better,
We know how to use guns,
The hardest team we'll play is the Cowboys/Saints,
and... it's 2006

Stop worrying about last year, they are much more humble and self assured than they were last year.

:ugh :ugh :ugh

You GOTTA be kidding me...

[VanHorneDog]

Look at the Pats playoff record in the 90's minus their superbowl year, look at the cowboys record in the 80's, I don't understand why people feel games played a year ago somehow effect games in the future... Have some faith and confidence in the boys, they're a lot better this year, and have some experience with adversity and tough games, they'll do fine, and roll to the superbowl

this is what i say about Marty.

and no, i dont think da bears will go to the super bowl. :eek

really though, right now im looking at either the Saints or the Boys in the superbowl.

[tofixyou]

:ugh :ugh :ugh

You GOTTA be kidding me...

No not really, ricky manning jr, vasher will be back, we're only missing mike brown, and he wasn't their for the playoff game either, btw despite last game daneil manning has been great for us this year. And our D despite late with the injuries and the sitting is still better because of the secondary. Last year we were starting a guy named thompson... Who? So, if you want to make your argument go ahead, just because they feel asleep for a quarter doesn't make them worse than they were last year, if you were up 21 points on the 3-10 bucs, and you were 11-2, you'd probably let up a little too...

[dmb71687]

Anyone that says the Bears will "stroll to the Superbowl," is absolutely crazy. You have THEE SINGLE most inconsistent quarterback in the NFL. There is about a 50% chance Rex Grossman will have 4 turnovers every single Sunday. He has ONE shitty game like that in the playoffs and the Bears are done. Doesn't matter how awesome the defense is, Rex Grossman will not be able to string consecutive quality games in the playoffs.

[tofixyou]

this is what i say about Marty.

and no, i dont think da bears will go to the super bowl. :eek

really though, right now im looking at either the Saints or the Boys in the superbowl.

On what premise? I know the saints play well in cold conditions... and the romo has a ton of playoff exp...

[tofixyou]

Anyone that says the Bears will "stroll to the Superbowl," is absolutely crazy. You have THEE SINGLE most inconsistent quarterback in the NFL. There is about a 50% chance Rex Grossman will have 4 turnovers every single Sunday. He has ONE shitty game like that in the playoffs and the Bears are done. Doesn't matter how awesome the defense is, Rex Grossman will not be able to string consecutive quality games in the playoffs.

Bears record: 12-2, thank you

[dmb71687]

No not really, ricky manning jr, vasher will be back, we're only missing mike brown, and he wasn't their for the playoff game either, btw despite last game daneil manning has been great for us this year. And our D despite late with the injuries and the sitting is still better because of the secondary. Last year we were starting a guy named thompson... Who? So, if you want to make your argument go ahead, just because they feel asleep for a quarter doesn't make them worse than they were last year, if you were up 21 points on the 3-10 bucs, and you were 11-2, you'd probably let up a little too...

Dude, their best D-line man, and the leader of their defense are both out. They have consistently given up more, and more yards/points every week since they've been gone. The defense is the worst it's been since Urlacher has came board. IMO.

[dmb71687]

Bears record: 12-2, thank you

Last time the Bears did ANYTHING in the playoffs....Almost 2 decades ago, thank you.

[tofixyou]

Dude, their best D-line man, and the leader of their defense are both out. They have consistently given up more, and more yards/points every week since they've been gone. The defense is the worst it's been since Urlacher has came board. IMO.

Well, you can have your opinion, or like most people, you can look at stats when it comes to rating defense. Urlacher's been in the league for 7-8 seasons, so Im assuming your ranking this defense the worst out of those 7-8. That means that in the years we went 4-12, 5-11, etc., we had a better defense? I think your "opinion" is more like "poor knowledge."

As far as "our leader" mike brown. He was out last year in the playoffs, like I said before. If you actually read what I wrote

As far as Tommie Harris being out, I agree this does hurt, but considering we have a much improved secondary (yes, even with M. Brown out), and we have more depth at the d-line (scott, boone, anderson, etc).

And when I mean roll to the playoffs look at how bad the NFC is. Bears NFC conference record anyone know... oh wait, its...

11-0!!!


Does that make sense why we'll roll

Is this making sense to you or should I go find some stats on our defense and make you look like a complete fool?

[VanHorneDog]

On what premise? I know the saints play well in cold conditions... and the romo has a ton of playoff exp...

on what premise did the Dolphins beat the Patriots?

i think that the Saints/Cowboys defenses are good enough to stop rex (who i really dont think is that great) and they both have excellent offenses.

remember rex doesnt have any playoff experiance too. although, the cold could be a problem. but, all that means to me is that its a little more smashmouth football, which right now i dont think the bears can play that well and i think with McCallister/Bush for NO and Jones for Dallas they can offensivly. Defensivly Dallas is better run stopers than da Bears. although NO isnt that good, their offensive power can counter that.

thats why. but really, i dont think grossman can win two playoff games. maybe one, but not two. and deffinatly not 3. if he does, good for him. but he just isnt consistent enough to be a team leader in the playoffs. Brees can, which is why i like the Saints.

[VanHorneDog]

Last time the Bears did ANYTHING in the playoffs....Almost 2 decades ago, thank you.

that doesnt matter, nobody from those teams are playing on this team. and if they are, i would like to know that would be an excellent story. :D

[tofixyou]

Anyone that says the Bears will "stroll to the Superbowl," is absolutely crazy. You have THEE SINGLE most inconsistent quarterback in the NFL. There is about a 50% chance Rex Grossman will have 4 turnovers every single Sunday. He has ONE shitty game like that in the playoffs and the Bears are done. Doesn't matter how awesome the defense is, Rex Grossman will not be able to string consecutive quality games in the playoffs.

On what premise? Because he's had bad games, He's also had more 100 qb rated games than any other quarterback this season. If you look at the games he did terrible, and didnt win 1. Oh by the way, he has more experience, he doesn't think he's superman like he did in the beginning of the year, and he's played beautifully the last two weeks when the "pressure" was on him to play well. I think he's beggining to realize what he needs to do. I think 12-2 isn't a 50% chance, and if you look at the games rex blew its 4-5 at the max, that still is 4-5/14 that doesn't equal 50-50.

Oh yeah, and like I said earlier, the NFC sucks so the bears roll to superbowl... not stroll

[dmb71687]

Well, you can have your opinion, or like most people, you can look at stats when it comes to rating defense. Urlacher's been in the league for 7-8 seasons, so Im assuming your ranking this defense the worst out of those 7-8. That means that in the years we went 4-12, 5-11, etc., we had a better defense? I think your "opinion" is more like "poor knowledge."

As far as "our leader" mike brown. He was out last year in the playoffs, like I said before. If you actually read what I wrote

As far as Tommie Harris being out, I agree this does hurt, but considering we have a much improved secondary (yes, even with M. Brown out), and we have more depth at the d-line (scott, boone, anderson, etc).

And when I mean roll to the playoffs look at how bad the NFC is. Bears NFC conference record anyone know... oh wait, its...

11-0!!!


Does that make sense why we'll roll

Is this making sense to you or should I go find some stats on our defense and make you look like a complete fool?

First of all, you think you know more way than you do. Second of all, yeah Mike Brown was out last year in the playoffs...AND WHAT HAPPENED?!?! Third of all, the Bears play in the worst division in the NFL, so yeah they're conference record will definitely be skewed. They've played no one other than the Cowboys from the NFC that are playoff contenders. You're not making me look like a fool at all, in fact you look like a COMPLETE fool to say the Bears defense is better this year than last, that's just hilarious to me.

On what premise? Because he's had bad games, He's also had more 100 qb rated games than any other quarterback this season. If you look at the games he did terrible, and didnt win 1. Oh by the way, he has more experience, he doesn't think he's superman like he did in the beginning of the year, and he's played beautifully the last two weeks when the "pressure" was on him to play well. I think he's beggining to realize what he needs to do. I think 12-2 isn't a 50% chance, and if you look at the games rex blew its 4-5 at the max, that still is 4-5/14 that doesn't equal 50-50.

Oh yeah, and like I said earlier, the NFC sucks so the bears roll to superbowl... not stroll

Cool, so you just proved my point how horribly inconsistent he his. Kudos to you buddy.:thumbsup

[dmb71687]

that doesnt matter, nobody from those teams are playing on this team. and if they are, i would like to know that would be an excellent story. :D

Yep, but they have virtually the exact same team as last year. Does that matter?

[VanHorneDog]

Yep, but they have virtually the exact same team as last year. Does that matter?


i would say their chances of having a good game depend on the players they put on the field. not their history. not to mention, now that they have one game under their belt they do have some playoff experiance. even if it was a loss. they know what the whole procedure is now.

if they have the injuries that they have now, they will lose because their offense will be playing better defenses than they have the whole year and their defense is just OK right now.

[dmb71687]

on what premise did the Dolphins beat the Patriots?

i think that the Saints/Cowboys defenses are good enough to stop rex (who i really dont think is that great) and they both have excellent offenses.

remember rex doesnt have any playoff experiance too. although, the cold could be a problem. but, all that means to me is that its a little more smashmouth football, which right now i dont think the bears can play that well and i think with McCallister/Bush for NO and Jones for Dallas they can offensivly. Defensivly Dallas is better run stopers than da Bears. although NO isnt that good, their offensive power can counter that.

thats why. but really, i dont think grossman can win two playoff games. maybe one, but not two. and deffinatly not 3. if he does, good for him. but he just isnt consistent enough to be a team leader in the playoffs. Brees can, which is why i like the Saints.


Exactly how I feel. I like the Eagles better than the Bears at this point.

[tofixyou]

on what premise did the Dolphins beat the Patriots?

i think that the Saints/Cowboys defenses are good enough to stop rex (who i really dont think is that great) and they both have excellent offenses.

remember rex doesnt have any playoff experiance too. although, the cold could be a problem. but, all that means to me is that its a little more smashmouth football, which right now i dont think the bears can play that well and i think with McCallister/Bush for NO and Jones for Dallas they can offensivly. Defensivly Dallas is better run stopers than da Bears. although NO isnt that good, their offensive power can counter that.

thats why. but really, i dont think grossman can win two playoff games. maybe one, but not two. and deffinatly not 3. if he does, good for him. but he just isnt consistent enough to be a team leader in the playoffs. Brees can, which is why i like the Saints.

Rex has 0 playoff exp?... um last year...
We play in the cold, the other teams don't. That's our advantage.
The saints are more physical than the bears off a bye week? Moron.
Dallas' Jones, btw, isn't that good.
NO Defense, bad.
Dallas defense, nothing special.
Dallas run defense... 4 yards better than the bears, however Dallas gave up 4 more td's
Dallas Passing defense, 16 spots worse than the bears...
Dallas gives up on average 5 more points than the bears.
New Orleans, gives up 133 yards/game on the ground, bears 101
New Orleans is worse in passing defense
New Orleans also gives up 5 more points than the bears.
PPG Chicago is 1 up on dallas, and 2 up on New Orleans... which means that Chicago is up 6 net points on dalls, and 7 on new orleans... Oh and btw they will play those teams at home if they even make it to the second round...

Should I keep going?

[Tiduwho]

Anyone that says the Bears will "stroll to the Superbowl," is absolutely crazy. You have THEE SINGLE most inconsistent quarterback in the NFL. There is about a 50% chance Rex Grossman will have 4 turnovers every single Sunday. He has ONE shitty game like that in the playoffs and the Bears are done. Doesn't matter how awesome the defense is, Rex Grossman will not be able to string consecutive quality games in the playoffs.

You must not watch any Packer games. :lol


Rex has had four turnovers 3 out of 14 games and I'll even give you his 1 game with 3 turnovers. So 4 out of 14 = 50/50? No chance Rex could string two good games together (like he just did) because he's been this way his entire career (or the last 8 games). Sure.

How many playoff victories do Tony Romo and Drew Brees have again by the way? How about Jeff Garcia? One between them, maybe? How many starts? 2 cumulative? 3?


But they are take em to the bank quarterbacks. :rolleyes

[tofixyou]

First of all, you think you know more way than you do. Second of all, yeah Mike Brown was out last year in the playoffs...AND WHAT HAPPENED?!?! Third of all, the Bears play in the worst division in the NFL, so yeah they're conference record will definitely be skewed. They've played no one other than the Cowboys from the NFC that are playoff contenders. You're not making me look like a fool at all, in fact you look like a COMPLETE fool to say the Bears defense is better this year than last, that's just hilarious to me.



Cool, so you just proved my point how horribly inconsistent he his. Kudos to you buddy.:thumbsup

Actually i think the NFC West is the worst division... and...

Daneil Manning > Thompson...
Other secondary > Greater than last year...
Offense > better than last year...
Rex This year > Rex Last year...
Devin Hester > Bobby Wade...
Bears Record 06 > Bears Record 05...

They Played the Vikings when they were 2-0 on the road, the played Seattle when they were 3-0, they played the Giants when they were 6-2, they played the Jets after the Jets beat the Pats.

The rolled, the bills, 49er's, packers, detroit, seattle, giants (on the road), not just beat ROLLED, not easy against any team.

Not to mention they share the best record in the league, you don't do that by being lucky, any team can be hard every week, especially when you're #1, everyone is looking to knock you off... is this making sense yet?

[tofixyou]

You must not watch any Packer games. :lol


Rex has had four turnovers 3 out of 14 games and 1 game with 3 turnovers. So 4 out of 14 = 50/50? No chance Rex could string two good games together (like he just did) because he's been this way his entire career (or the last 8 games). Sure.

How many playoff victories do Tony Romo and Drew Brees have again by the way? How about Jeff Garcia? One between them, maybe? How many starts? 2 cumulative? 3?


But they are take em to the bank quarterbacks. :rolleyes

Hey look someone who's not a complete moron

[dmb71687]

Well, you can have your opinion, or like most people, you can look at stats when it comes to rating defense. Urlacher's been in the league for 7-8 seasons, so Im assuming your ranking this defense the worst out of those 7-8. That means that in the years we went 4-12, 5-11, etc., we had a better defense? I think your "opinion" is more like "poor knowledge."

As far as "our leader" mike brown. He was out last year in the playoffs, like I said before. If you actually read what I wrote

As far as Tommie Harris being out, I agree this does hurt, but considering we have a much improved secondary (yes, even with M. Brown out), and we have more depth at the d-line (scott, boone, anderson, etc).

And when I mean roll to the playoffs look at how bad the NFC is. Bears NFC conference record anyone know... oh wait, its...

11-0!!!


Does that make sense why we'll roll

Is this making sense to you or should I go find some stats on our defense and make you look like a complete fool?

Actually i think the NFC West is the worst division... and Daneil Manning > Thompson. Other secondary > Greater than last year... Offense > better than last year... Rex This year > Rex Last year... Devin Hester > Bobby Wade, Bears Record 06 > Bears Record 05... The Played the Vikings when they were 2-0 on the road, the played Seattle when they were 3-0, they played the Giants when they were 6-2, they played the Jets after the Jets beat the Pats, The rolled, the bills, 49er's, packers, detroit, seattle, giants (on the road), not just beat ROLLED, not easy against any team. Not to mention they share the best record in the league, you don't do that by being lucky, any team can be hard every week, especially when you're #1, everyone is looking to knock you off... is this making sense yet?

What an awesome arguement, Rex Grossman playing an entire season is better than Rex Grossman playing 5ish games in 05. The Jets moved to the NFC? When did this happen? They rolled against the Bills, 49'ers, Packers, Detroit?!?! WOWWWW..so, what you're saying, is, they beat the teams, they're suppose to beat?!?!! SUPERBOWLLLL BEARSLJLK!!@@ :multi

[dmb71687]

You must not watch any Packer games. :lol


Rex has had four turnovers 3 out of 14 games and I'll even give you his 1 game with 3 turnovers. So 4 out of 14 = 50/50? No chance Rex could string two good games together (like he just did) because he's been this way his entire career (or the last 8 games). Sure.

How many playoff victories do Tony Romo and Drew Brees have again by the way? How about Jeff Garcia? One between them, maybe? How many starts? 2 cumulative? 3?


But they are take em to the bank quarterbacks. :rolleyes

Mk, how bout I just let the playoffs speak for themsevles. I never once said anything about Rex's playoff experience, but if you HONESTLY would rather have Rex Grossman at quarterback, then Tony Romo, Drew Brees, hell even Garcia, you're a moron.

(And I was obviously being sarcastic when I said Grossman has a 50/50 chance of having 4 turnovers. Fact of the matter is, he turns the ball over more than any other quarterback in the league. He's had back to back good games, AGAINST WHO?!)

[dmb71687]

Hey look someone who is a Bear's fan and agrees with me!

Fixed.

[dmb71687]

You must not watch any Packer games. :lol




Rex Grossman is 100X more inconsistent than Brett Favre. If Favre had the defense Grossman had, the receivers Grossman had, the O-line Grossman had, the running back Grossman had, he would be an MVP candiate. Grossman has fucking gold around him, and he still fucks it up just about every other game.

[tofixyou]

What an awesome arguement, Rex Grossman playing an entire season is better than Rex Grossman playing 5ish games in 05. The Jets moved to the NFC? When did this happen? They rolled against the Bills, 49'ers, Packers, Detroit?!?! WOWWWW..so, what you're saying, is, they beat the teams, they're suppose to beat?!?!! SUPERBOWLLLL BEARSLJLK!!@@ :multi

Listen, you haven't contributed anything worth while.

We are talking about reasons why they'll make it to the superbowl, right?
So Rex Being better has a lot to do with it.

Beating any team on the road can be challenging.

Rolling up teams shouldn't be easy, or consistent in the NFL, unless, you're a really good team.

You also have to look at when they played each team. The Bills we're playing well when they lost.

The 49er's are now in the playoff race, oh, and look, so are the Packers, and both got stomped by the bears...

And don't teams that get to the superbowl beat teams they are supposed to beat... Like NFC teams (11-0), or like when they are favored... remember they had a fluke loss to the Dolphins, and weren't favored against the Pats.

So, if by that mentality, shouldn't they beat the Cowboys, or the Saints? I don't see your logic.

All you do is utter ignorant statements like...

"Rex is bad blah blah blah, no tommie harris blah blah blah" You have given no support to any of your claims as to why the bears will lose... just reckless banter that has no substance.

So like I said before, are you done being an idiot or do you have some valuable insight?

[tofixyou]

Fixed.

Oh you must have not understood, I was calling you an idiot, sorry I didn't dumb it down for you...

[dmb71687]

Listen, you haven't contributed anything worth while.

We are talking about reasons why they'll make it to the superbowl, right?
So Rex Being better has a lot to do with it.

Beating any team on the road can be challenging.

Rolling up teams shouldn't be easy, or consistent in the NFL, unless, you're a really good team.

You also have to look at when they played each team. The Bills we're playing well when they lost.

The 49er's are now in the playoff race, oh, and look, so are the Packers, and both got stomped by the bears...

And don't teams that get to the superbowl beat teams they are supposed to beat... Like NFC teams (11-0), or like when they are favored... remember they had a fluke loss to the Dolphins, and weren't favored against the Pats.

So, if by that mentality, shouldn't they beat the Cowboys, or the Saints? I don't see your logic other than

"Rex is bad blah blah blah, no tommie harris blah blah blah" You have given no support to any of your claims as to why the bears will lose... just reckless banter that has no substance.

So like I said before, are you done being an idiot or do you have some valuable insight?

:lol :lol :lol , I love posters like you who can't handle a differing opinion. All you have done is throw out bullshit stats. Statistics mean NOTHING to me. NOOOOOTHING. Every NFL fan with an ounce of intelligence knows the NFL is a week to week league. The bears defense has progressively gotten worse just about every week. If you're counting on Rex Grossman putting up 30 ppg in the playoffs, you're crazy. Rex is from a University of Florida quarterback. He has NO idea what a playoff game in December at Soldier field will be like. NO idea. I don't give a shit if he played one lousy ass game that you think is enough experience or not. Stick your head out of espn.com and learn to think for yourself.

[dmb71687]

Oh you must have not understood, I was calling you an idiot, sorry I didn't dumb it down for you...

:lol :lol :lol , cause I think the Bears aren't going to the Superbowl???

HAHAHAHAHAHA,hahahahaha,ahahahhahaa.

You're a ridiculously huge douchebag.

[dmb71687]

Tony Romo QB rating=98.4
Drew Brees QB rating=98.1




Rex Grossman QB rating=77.4

How's that for some stats on your badass team?

[dmb71687]

Alright, now that I've gained my 100th reason on why I hate F.I.B's. I'm going to bed. I love how you just totally digged your own grave for when the Bears don't make the Superbowl. I will come back to this thread, quote every post you have given, and respond with 10000000 "lol" smiley faces.

Good luck buddy!

[tofixyou]

Do you even have a team that you enjoy watching, or do you just like raggin on the bears?

The reason why I list stats is because it backs arguments, unlike your, Rex will suck because this and that, by the way "rex has only played one lousy playoff game," is a stat.

Btw, unless he blacked out at the playoff game last year, I'm assuming he has an idea of what a playoff game is like.

And I wasn't calling you an Idiot for not thinking the bears are going to the superbowl... i was calling you an idiot because you are... You go to wisconsin so Im assuming you're a packer fan... ouch... get ready to suck for the next 10 years...

And if the NFL is week to week, wouldn't that mean every game is important, and meaningful?

And Rex lived in Florida for 3 years, indiana 18 and chicago 4, I think that would make him accoustemed to cold wheater...

So, just because I like to have support for my arguments doesn't make me a douchebag, what makes someone a douchebag is...

1) Being a Packer fan, or even just from wisconsin
2) Not supporting arguments
3) Having dmb(5 random numbers) as you're username, oh wait, no that just makes you unoriginal.
4) Being you
5) Being you

[tofixyou]

Alright, now that I've gained my 100th reason on why I hate F.I.B's. I'm going to bed. I love how you just totally digged your own grave for when the Bears don't make the Superbowl. I will come back to this thread, quote every post you have given, and respond with 10000000 "lol" smiley faces.

Good luck buddy!

That's because you're a packer fan with no life...

[tofixyou]

Tony Romo QB rating=98.4
Drew Brees QB rating=98.1




Rex Grossman QB rating=77.4

How's that for some stats on your badass team?

"I don't use stats"

I don't think quarterback rating is a team stat by the way...

12-2 would be a team stat, that's our record... which happens to be 1st in the NFL

Romo hasn't played a solid defense...
Drew Brees... I never said was bad, I'd say definitely in contention for MVP.

But you're still from wisconsin, sorry

[DMBZeppelin]

you make some good points except for the fact that....

Rex has 16 more games of experience,
It's not last year,
The past really has 0 influence on the future in terms of playoff games,
Our D is better than it was in the playoffs,
Our offense is better, both at the reciever and running back positions,
Coach has more experience,
Devin Hester,
#27 wont be gaurding Steve Smith,
The NFC is god awful,
Ditka,
The Bulls and Blackhawks arent sucking,
Our secondary is better,
We know how to use guns,
The hardest team we'll play is the Cowboys/Saints,
and... it's 2006

Stop worrying about last year, they are much more humble and self assured than they were last year.
Any Bears defense minus Tommie Harris IS NOT BETTER! I'd rather have Harris then Vasher or Manning Jr. Not sure about Tillman he's been a beast this year. Devin Hester might score a TD for us your right, but he also might fumble it away and let the other team score. Don't worry about Steve Smith #Anybody will not be guarding someone not in the playoffs.

Anyone that says the Bears will "stroll to the Superbowl," is absolutely crazy. You have THEE SINGLE most inconsistent quarterback in the NFL. There is about a 50% chance Rex Grossman will have 4 turnovers every single Sunday. He has ONE shitty game like that in the playoffs and the Bears are done. Doesn't matter how awesome the defense is, Rex Grossman will not be able to string consecutive quality games in the playoffs.
Grossman had 4 friggin' bad games. Half the crap that happened were not always his fault. Four bad to 10 good... hmmm that's SOOO inconsistent. Not to mention the more pressure on Rex the better he does. Look what he did in 05. Not only did he come back when no one thought he could and lead the team. He was pretty good in that playoff game and kept the Bears in it. After the pre-season everyone said "Oh Rex can't do it" and then everyone was like "MVP!!" and then people wanted to bench him after 4 bad games. With his job on the line he delievered. People even said he couldn't run... 22 yards later ya know. So go ahead tell Rex he can't lead the Bears to the Super Bowl. Minus the Vikings game he has done nothing but improve every week. Decision making anyways. Not always production.

Actually i think the NFC West is the worst division... and...

Daneil Manning > Thompson...
Other secondary > Greater than last year...
Offense > better than last year...
Rex This year > Rex Last year...
Devin Hester > Bobby Wade...
Bears Record 06 > Bears Record 05...

Thompson was a CB, and Manning is a Saftey, Your second statement makes no sense, Offense goes without saying, agree on Rex, Bobby Wade was cut BEFORE the playoffs so I'm not seeing your point, and for someone who said the year before doesn't matter why are we comparing records here? The records aren't that fair to compare because 06 had a better QB for the whole year.

[dmb71687]

That's because you're a packer fan with no life...


Ohhhh MANN@J@!!! U GOT MI SOOoooO GOODOD!!!:multi

[dmb71687]

Any Bears defense minus Tommie Harris IS NOT BETTER! I'd rather have Harris then Vasher or Manning Jr. Not sure about Tillman he's been a beast this year. Devin Hester might score a TD for us your right, but he also might fumble it away and let the other team score. Don't worry about Steve Smith #Anybody will not be guarding someone not in the playoffs.


Grossman had 4 friggin' bad games. Half the crap that happened were not always his fault. Four bad to 10 good... hmmm that's SOOO inconsistent. Not to mention the more pressure on Rex the better he does. Look what he did in 05. Not only did he come back when no one thought he could and lead the team. He was pretty good in that playoff game and kept the Bears in it. After the pre-season everyone said "Oh Rex can't do it" and then everyone was like "MVP!!" and then people wanted to bench him after 4 bad games. With his job on the line he delievered. People even said he couldn't run... 22 yards later ya know. So go ahead tell Rex he can't lead the Bears to the Super Bowl. Minus the Vikings game he has done nothing but improve every week. Decision making anyways. Not always production.


Thompson was a CB, and Manning is a Saftey, Your second statement makes no sense, Offense goes without saying, agree on Rex, Bobby Wade was cut BEFORE the playoffs so I'm not seeing your point, and for someone who said the year before doesn't matter why are we comparing records here? The records aren't that fair to compare because 06 had a better QB for the whole year.

I would be willing to bet 95% of all NFL experts would call Rex Grossman, one of, if not thee most inconsistent quarterback in the NFL.

But I love everything else you said.:)

[dmb71687]

Grossman had 4 friggin' bad games. Half the crap that happened were not always his fault. Four bad to 10 good... hmmm that's SOOO inconsistent.

.

Not sure what you count as bad games. But I definitely see at least 5, and that's without me being able to see how many fumble's he's had, I'm sure the breakdown wouldn't exactly go 5 bad, 9 good. Probably more like, 4 TERRIBLE, 5 decent, and 5 good. Not inconsistent? Let's go down the line..

Week 1. Good
Week 2. Good
Week 3. Bad
Week 4. Good.
Week 5. Good
Week 6. Terrible.
week 8 Good
week 9 Terrible.
week 10. Good.
week 11. Bad.
week 12. Terrible
week 13. Terrible
week 14. Good
week 15. Good


Not sure about you, but I don't see ONE streak of more than 2 good games...if that's not inconsistent, I don't know what inconsistent means. And responds well from pressure? What pressure has he responded from? The controversary of him getting BENCHED? Any quarterback with pride should be able to rebound after that. He has felt no pressure as he will feel this year in the playoffs. So "responding well to pressure,"..I'll wait and see.

[dmb71687]

"I don't use stats"

I don't think quarterback rating is a team stat by the way...

12-2 would be a team stat, that's our record... which happens to be 1st in the NFL

Romo hasn't played a solid defense...
Drew Brees... I never said was bad, I'd say definitely in contention for MVP.

But you're still from wisconsin, sorry

You go show me ONE game Rex Grossman played well against a good defense smarty...I DARRRRE you. And no, the Giants do not count as a good defense.

Ok, now that you look like the fool, I'm for real going to bed.

[Tiduwho]

Rex Grossman is 100X more inconsistent than Brett Favre. If Favre had the defense Grossman had, the receivers Grossman had, the O-line Grossman had, the running back Grossman had, he would be an MVP candiate. Grossman has fucking gold around him, and he still fucks it up just about every other game.


The same "gold" that Kyle Orton did absolutely nothing with last year, and as such coming into the season the Bears had "no receivers after Moose who is a #2 receiver at best, and no tight end to relieve any pressure". There is only ONE, count em, ONE player that is different on offense from last year: Rex Grossman. And five games in 05? Try 1 and a half. Yeah, no difference there.


Last year this same pack of guys were on the 31st ranked offense. Now they are "gold" and Grossman has nothing to do with it? Wow you are delusional.

[Tiduwho]

You go show me ONE game Rex Grossman played well against a good defense smarty...I DARRRRE you. And no, the Giants do not count as a good defense.

Ok, now that you look like the fool, I'm for real going to bed.

Seattle's defense was dominant their first three games (outside of mailing in the 4th quarter in prevent vs the Giants), and many were calling them a top 5 defense at the time with all the hype about their linebacking core. Grossman picked them apart start to finish (or for the first three quarters before Griese had to come in like he has 4 times to clean up in a 4th quarter blowout).

Under pressure, in front of a national audience, Grossman had one terrible game. But guess what? He's played outstanding in the other three. He was also the only one that kept us in the playoff game last year. He's been under the microscope more than I've seen of any qb this year by far. Anytime he plays good the "bad team" excuse comes up for him (or if that's not good enough, then a "bad defense" excuse), but what about Romo? What about Rivers? What about anyone? When they beat up a bad team it's because they are being good qb's. The anti-Rex bandwagon just pulls up one mulligan after another to throw aside any good he does.

[dmb71687]

The same "gold" that Kyle Orton did absolutely nothing with last year, and as such coming into the season the Bears had "no receivers after Moose who is a #2 receiver at best, and no tight end to relieve any pressure". There is only ONE, count em, ONE player that is different on offense from last year: Rex Grossman. And five games in 05? Try 1 and a half. Yeah, no difference there.


Last year this same pack of guys were on the 31st ranked offense. Now they are "gold" and Grossman has nothing to do with it? Wow you are delusional.

Two words, one thought...Kyle Orton.

I'm telling you right now, there are about 15 quarterbacks that would fit 10X better than Rex Grossman fits in Chicago. They're receivers are a lot better this year, and yes, Rex Grossman has GOLD to work with this year. With a defense like that, and a running game like they have, there is no reason a quarterback should EVER have 4 turnovers, let alone MULTIPLE 4 turnover games. And WHAT THE FUCK is everybody so hypocryitcal for?? YOU just ragged on the guy earlier about bringing up stats from last year, now you're bringing up stats from last year???

The Carolina Panthers have an above average offense with Jake Delohomme, with Chris Weinke? Nothing. Do you understand the difference a DECENT quarterback makes over a HORRIBLE quarterback? Please do not bring up any offensive stats again from last year, just don't. KYLE ORTON was your quarterback. He could have been quarterback for the Indianapolis Colts, and do you think they'd be anywhere NEAR the top of the league offensively? And if you don't think they have gold around them offensively, you, my friend, are delisuional. Point closed.

[dmb71687]

Seattle's defense was dominant their first three games (outside of mailing in the 4th quarter in prevent vs the Giants), and many were calling them a top 5 defense at the time with all the hype about their linebacking core. Grossman picked them apart start to finish (or for the first three quarters before Griese had to come in like he has 4 times to clean up in a 4th quarter blowout).

Under pressure, in front of a national audience, Grossman had one terrible game. But guess what? He's played outstanding in the other three. He was also the only one that kept us in the playoff game last year. He's been under the microscope more than I've seen of any qb this year by far. Anytime he plays good the "bad team" excuse comes up for him (or if that's not good enough, then a "bad defense" excuse), but what about Romo? What about Rivers? What about anyone? When they beat up a bad team it's because they are being good qb's. The anti-Rex bandwagon just pulls up one mulligan after another to throw aside any good he does.

Again, you called ME delisunial?? THEY PLAYED THE LIONS AND THE CARDINALS!!! The worst defense in the league the year prior, has two good defensive games to start the year and gets MISERABLE offenses, and they're in the top 5?!?!:ugh Please..

[DMBZeppelin]

Not sure what you count as bad games. But I definitely see at least 5, and that's without me being able to see how many fumble's he's had, I'm sure the breakdown wouldn't exactly go 5 bad, 9 good. Probably more like, 4 TERRIBLE, 5 decent, and 5 good. Not inconsistent? Let's go down the line..

Week 1. Good
Week 2. Good
Week 3. Bad
Week 4. Good.
Week 5. Good
Week 6. Terrible.
week 8 Good
week 9 Terrible.
week 10. Good.
week 11. Bad.
week 12. Terrible
week 13. Terrible
week 14. Good
week 15. Good


Not sure about you, but I don't see ONE streak of more than 2 good games...if that's not inconsistent, I don't know what inconsistent means. And responds well from pressure? What pressure has he responded from? The controversary of him getting BENCHED? Any quarterback with pride should be able to rebound after that. He has felt no pressure as he will feel this year in the playoffs. So "responding well to pressure,"..I'll wait and see.
Lets review what you said here:
Week 1. Good - agreed
Week 2. Good - more like great
Week 3. Bad - If Peyton Manning put up these numbers: 23 for 41 (56.1% CMP) with 1 TD and 2 INT for 278 yards and that one TD was the game winner. No one would call that a bad game. When I do count bad games I do count this as one of them, but this game is over blown.
Week 4. Good - Seahawks are considered to have a great young defense and Rex was awesome against them.
Week 5. Good
Week 6. Terrible - Agreed
week 8 Good - I like how you say Bad or Terrible, but if it's positive it's just good. The man led the Bears to 41 first half points. Ties a franchise record. He was great in this game.
week 9 Terrible - This was a bad game by Rex and a HORRIBLE game by the offense. One of the picks Clark even admitted to running the wrong route. Lots of stuff Rex got blamed for in this game weren't his fault.
week 10. Good - He completed 60% of his passes, had 3 TDs, and 105.7 QB rating when people started really calling for Griese going into this game.
week 11. Bad - THIS WAS NOT A BAD GAME! YOU ARE RETARDED IF YOU THINK SO!!! IF ANYONE CALLS THIS A BAD GAME THEY COULD NOT WANT GRIESE OR ORTON!!! 1 TD and 0 INT he didn't turn the ball over. He was 11 for 22 completing half his passes, and only threw for 119 yards. The Bears ran the ball a lot in this game. Rex played game manager here and in no way was this bad.
week 12. Terrible - Another example of a lot of offensive misques getting blamed on Rex. The fumble that Kreutz even said hit his ass and Grossman just got his finger tips on it. That wasn't his fault. Most of those picks were just Samuel jumping the route and have a spectacular play. These weren't "WHERE IS THAT BALL GOING?" throws. They were right to the reciever. Everytime it blew my mind the reciever didn't even try for the ball. The INT that ended the game Samuel caught over the shoulder. It went right by the reciever. It was ridiculous.
week 13. Terrible - this was all on Rex. Worst I've ever seen him play. Besides the TD Clark should of had Rex was not on at all.
week 14. Good - He made plays when he needed to and didn't turn the ball over. Agreed.
week 15. Good - 339 Yards, no turnovers, a couple TD passes, and he himself kept the Bears from an embarrassing lost. Well, that's not good it was fantastic. Grossman was awesome in this game. Very decisive.

As for the pressure thing. You must not live around here. You don't know what it was like for him the week leading up to the Monday Night game. The media was hell on him. He had a shit load of pressure. Lovie, Kreutz they all seemed to see the pressure you didn't. Even going into this year he had pressure with the whole "You can't start 16 games." crap because of a couple freak injuries. Why didn't he feel the pressure last year in the playoffs? Everyone was like "If Rex comes back will go to the Super Bowl." he had a lot of expectations on him last year. Because when he came into the Atlanta game the offense sprung to life. The 22 yard throw down the middle to Moose... beautiful. You have no idea how pumped up the city was about Rex going into the playoffs do you? Trust me a whole year of Orton and then comes in a QB who can throw. The way Berrian came to life in the Green Bay game (to clinch the division) and in the Carolina game was all because he had a real QB.

You go show me ONE game Rex Grossman played well against a good defense smarty...I DARRRRE you. And no, the Giants do not count as a good defense.

Ok, now that you look like the fool, I'm for real going to bed.
You know why the Giants don't count as a good defense? Because the Bears beat them. If the Bears would have lost to a lot of teams they'd face those teams would be considered good. Going in at half time no one was down on the Giants defense. It wasn't until a superior Bears team took over that it became a crap defense. The Seahawks are a very talented defense and they got the crap beat out of them the whole game. St. Louis is a top 10 pass defense which Rex also did well against. TB isn't a bad defense either. A bad team overall due to their offense, but last year they were one of the top defenses. They are just tired out more this year due to the offense. Rex had a career game against them. Guess that doesn't mean anything though.


Two words, one thought...Kyle Orton.

I'm telling you right now, there are about 15 quarterbacks that would fit 10X better than Rex Grossman fits in Chicago. They're receivers are a lot better this year, and yes, Rex Grossman has GOLD to work with this year. With a defense like that, and a running game like they have, there is no reason a quarterback should EVER have 4 turnovers, let alone MULTIPLE 4 turnover games. And WHAT THE FUCK is everybody so hypocryitcal for?? YOU just ragged on the guy earlier about bringing up stats from last year, now you're bringing up stats from last year???

The Carolina Panthers have an above average offense with Jake Delohomme, with Chris Weinke? Nothing. Do you understand the difference a DECENT quarterback makes over a HORRIBLE quarterback? Please do not bring up any offensive stats again from last year, just don't. KYLE ORTON was your quarterback. He could have been quarterback for the Indianapolis Colts, and do you think they'd be anywhere NEAR the top of the league offensively? And if you don't think they have gold around them offensively, you, my friend, are delisuional. Point closed.
Ya... ummmm Bears do have gold on offense. It's called Rex Grossman. Thomas Jones had 1,300+ yards rushing, Benson was close to 300 (limited due to injury), The underrated Adrian Peterson had 400 yards and averaged 5.1 yards a carry. The Bears were one of the top running teams last year. They ran the ball better last year then this year even. Yet Kyle Orton managed 60+ yards against a San Fran team that was pretty bad. This year they might make the playoffs and are much improved. Yet Rex tore them up. I mean this gold you speak of just look at the games Rex did play in 05. Look at what Berrian did ALL YEAR with Orton compared to the Green Bay and Carolina game in the playoffs with Rex.

[DMBZeppelin]

Again, you called ME delisunial?? THEY PLAYED THE LIONS AND THE CARDINALS!!! The worst defense in the league the year prior, has two good defensive games to start the year and gets MISERABLE offenses, and they're in the top 5?!?!:ugh Please..
His point was. Seattle has a really good young defense. They were sorta in the Super Bowl or something. Coming into the season they were primed for a big year and performed well early.

[tofixyou]

Again, you called ME delisunial?? THEY PLAYED THE LIONS AND THE CARDINALS!!! The worst defense in the league the year prior, has two good defensive games to start the year and gets MISERABLE offenses, and they're in the top 5?!?!:ugh Please..

How are those Packers doing this year

It must suck to be a packer fan...

Every team plays easy teams, i think you'd know that...

I'm having trouble with something, what's worse, being a Packer fan, or being from wisconsin?

btw, calling someone from Illinois a F.I.B. isn't insulting, we find it funny, because it's retarded. You guys sound like 12 year old girls when you call us f.i.b.'s, just call us bastards if you want, but f.i.b. makes me laugh at how lame you are.

p.s. sorry that you're a packer fan

[cbotnyse]

:lol :lol :lol , I love posters like you who can't handle a differing opinion. All you have done is throw out bullshit stats. Statistics mean NOTHING to me. NOOOOOTHING. Every NFL fan with an ounce of intelligence knows the NFL is a week to week league. The bears defense has progressively gotten worse just about every week. If you're counting on Rex Grossman putting up 30 ppg in the playoffs, you're crazy. Rex is from a University of Florida quarterback. He has NO idea what a playoff game in December at Soldier field will be like. NO idea. I don't give a shit if he played one lousy ass game that you think is enough experience or not. Stick your head out of espn.com and learn to think for yourself.Another day, another Bears troll to fight off.

I'd like to quote this post because if this is how you feel then you must believe the Bears will win it all. When the Bears are playing well on both sides of the ball we are very tough to beat. The problem is we havent been able to put a complete game together this year. (a couple games we have, but not all) I am confidant we will do this when it matters in the playoffs.

If we dont win the super bowl (or get there) I wont be surprised for whatever reason it is. If its Rex, the defense, Hester fumbling, I wouldnt be surprised. However, if Rex plays well, we protect the ball, and the D shows up to play we will be fine. But like you said, "any given Sunday" anything can happen.

I'm not counting on Rex to put up 30 ppg, I'm counting on him to not throw bad interceptions which he is improving on. Our D has some bad injuries and a Thug, but so does every other team. Its no excuse, but the D does not worry me. I believe they will show up to play when it matters most.

All I know is we have the best record in the NFL and homefield throughout. What more can a fan ask for? Bring on the playoffs.

[tofixyou]

Not sure what you count as bad games. But I definitely see at least 5, and that's without me being able to see how many fumble's he's had, I'm sure the breakdown wouldn't exactly go 5 bad, 9 good. Probably more like, 4 TERRIBLE, 5 decent, and 5 good. Not inconsistent? Let's go down the line..

Week 1. Good
Week 2. Good
Week 3. Bad
Week 4. Good.
Week 5. Good
Week 6. Terrible.
week 8 Good
week 9 Terrible.
week 10. Good.
week 11. Bad.
week 12. Terrible
week 13. Terrible
week 14. Good
week 15. Good


Not sure about you, but I don't see ONE streak of more than 2 good games...if that's not inconsistent, I don't know what inconsistent means. And responds well from pressure? What pressure has he responded from? The controversary of him getting BENCHED? Any quarterback with pride should be able to rebound after that. He has felt no pressure as he will feel this year in the playoffs. So "responding well to pressure,"..I'll wait and see.

Look at Tom Brady's record this year and his stats each game, I wouldn't call it consistant...

Look at Eli Manning's stats, I'm sure you'd rather have him right...
Look at Hasslebeck's season...
Look at... look out, this might hurt... Farve's season... not as bad as last year but how could it be...
Look at Ben Rothlisberger... he's about as consistant as the packers are good...

Want some more...
Chad Pennington, Jake Delhomme, J.P. Lossman, David Carr, Michael Vick...

By the way the first game against the Vikings, he wasn't bad... he was average, and he won the game for them...

Against the Jets, he wasn't bad, he played "greise ball" for the bears, which was manage the game.

You mention all the good games as good, and all the others as bad or terrible, but no great games, or mediocre games, You're not talking objectively and your just skewing opinions or "views of the game" to make it look a certain way...

Week 1. Great
Week 2. Great
Week 3. Good
Week 4. Great
Week 5. Great
Week 6. Terrible
week 8. Great
week 9. Terrible
week 10. Great
week 11. Good
week 12. Bad
week 13. Terrible
week 14. Good
week 15. Great

Now I wont argue why it should look this way because you feel stats don't matter so it would be useless....

But if you look at it from a bears fan's p.o.v. it looks a little different, than someone who hates the bears...

Here's how it could also look

Week 1. Good (He beat the packers, I mean who couldn't do that...)
Week 2. Great (4 touchdowns... constitutes as more than good)
Week 3. Mediocre (1 game winning touchdown at a hard venue, not easy)
Week 4. Great (Blew out, what was at the time, a solid team)
Week 5. Great (hardly took snaps in the second half, still had great game)
Week 6. Terrible. (I agree)
week 8 Great (41-0 at half)
week 9 Terrible (I agree)
week 10. Good-Great (Beat the Giants in NY(6-2 at the time), and over came a deficit)
week 11. Solid (No int's, 1 TD, Bears win, managed the game)
week 12. Bad (rest of team played a role in all these turnovers, they all said so)
week 13. Terrible (I agree)
week 14. Good - Great (Biggest pressure game, came out and showed why he's our quarterback.)
week 15. Great (339, 2 TD's, no int's, game winning drive... that is better than what you call "good")

Pitchers slump, Goalies have cold streaks, Michael Jordan had bad games, Quarterbacks aren't perfect...

Any QB is going to have some bad games, if you give me this production ever year... I'll be fine, and if you take away 2 terrible games and two great games, you get -8 int's and -6 tds, that would make rex 16-6 for td/int ratio, not bad...

Seriously, leave this thread, no one likes you, the packers suck, and you're pretty much retarded....

[TheOtherside]

wow.

[dmb71687]

Look at Tom Brady's record this year and his stats each game, I wouldn't call it consistant...

Look at Eli Manning's stats, I'm sure you'd rather have him right...
Look at Hasslebeck's season...
Look at... look out, this might hurt... Farve's season... not as bad as last year but how could it be...
Look at Ben Rothlisberger... he's about as consistant as the packers are good...

Want some more...
Chad Pennington, Jake Delhomme, J.P. Lossman, David Carr, Michael Vick...

By the way the first game against the Vikings, he wasn't bad... he was average, and he won the game for them...

Against the Jets, he wasn't bad, he played "greise ball" for the bears, which was manage the game.

You mention all the good games as good, and all the others as bad or terrible, but no great games, or mediocre games, You're not talking objectively and your just skewing opinions or "views of the game" to make it look a certain way...

Week 1. Great
Week 2. Great
Week 3. Good
Week 4. Great
Week 5. Great
Week 6. Terrible
week 8. Great
week 9. Terrible
week 10. Great
week 11. Good
week 12. Bad
week 13. Terrible
week 14. Good
week 15. Great

Now I wont argue why it should look this way because you feel stats don't matter so it would be useless....

But if you look at it from a bears fan's p.o.v. it looks a little different, than someone who hates the bears...

Here's how it could also look

Week 1. Good (He beat the packers, I mean who couldn't do that...)
Week 2. Great (4 touchdowns... constitutes as more than good)
Week 3. Mediocre (1 game winning touchdown at a hard venue, not easy)
Week 4. Great (Blew out, what was at the time, a solid team)
Week 5. Great (hardly took snaps in the second half, still had great game)
Week 6. Terrible. (I agree)
week 8 Great (41-0 at half)
week 9 Terrible (I agree)
week 10. Good-Great (Beat the Giants in NY(6-2 at the time), and over came a deficit)
week 11. Solid (No int's, 1 TD, Bears win, managed the game)
week 12. Bad (rest of team played a role in all these turnovers, they all said so)
week 13. Terrible (I agree)
week 14. Good - Great (Biggest pressure game, came out and showed why he's our quarterback.)
week 15. Great (339, 2 TD's, no int's, game winning drive... that is better than what you call "good")

Pitchers slump, Goalies have cold streaks, Michael Jordan had bad games, Quarterbacks aren't perfect...

Any QB is going to have some bad games, if you give me this production ever year... I'll be fine, and if you take away 2 terrible games and two great games, you get -8 int's and -6 tds, that would make rex 16-6 for td/int ratio, not bad...

Seriously, leave this thread, no one likes you, the packers suck, and you're pretty much retarded....


I can honestly say I didn't read one comment from you except this. You are a nausiating poster, " leave this thread, no one likes you." "Packer's suck." "You're retarded!" WHAT ARE YOU 5?!:lol

Fuckin douchebag.

[TheOtherside]

in his defense, the packers do suck.

[dmb71687]

Another day, another Bears troll to fight off.

I'd like to quote this post because if this is how you feel then you must believe the Bears will win it all. When the Bears are playing well on both sides of the ball we are very tough to beat. The problem is we havent been able to put a complete game together this year. (a couple games we have, but not all) I am confidant we will do this when it matters in the playoffs.

If we dont win the super bowl (or get there) I wont be surprised for whatever reason it is. If its Rex, the defense, Hester fumbling, I wouldnt be surprised. However, if Rex plays well, we protect the ball, and the D shows up to play we will be fine. But like you said, "any given Sunday" anything can happen.

I'm not counting on Rex to put up 30 ppg, I'm counting on him to not throw bad interceptions which he is improving on. Our D has some bad injuries and a Thug, but so does every other team. Its no excuse, but the D does not worry me. I believe they will show up to play when it matters most.

All I know is we have the best record in the NFL and homefield throughout. What more can a fan ask for? Bring on the playoffs.

The part in the bold made no sense to me. But yeah man, I obviously agree with everything in your post. Never once have I said the Bears have ZERO shot at going to the superbowl, of course they have a shot, they ahve the best record in the league. But it is in my neutral opinion, and I actually enjoy watching the Bears, that they will not go to the Superbowl, I have supported that opinion with reasons, and that's it.

[dmb71687]

His point was. Seattle has a really good young defense. They were sorta in the Super Bowl or something. Coming into the season they were primed for a big year and performed well early.

No, no, no, and, no. That wasn't his point. His point was the Bears played Seattle when "their defenese was dominating, and they were top 5 in the league. Yeah they went to the Superbowl..but does that mean they still didn't give up the most points in the league? Nope. So, that post was completely wrong.

[dmb71687]

Lets review what you said here:
Week 1. Good - agreed
Week 2. Good - more like great
Week 3. Bad - If Peyton Manning put up these numbers: 23 for 41 (56.1% CMP) with 1 TD and 2 INT for 278 yards and that one TD was the game winner. No one would call that a bad game. When I do count bad games I do count this as one of them, but this game is over blown.
Week 4. Good - Seahawks are considered to have a great young defense and Rex was awesome against them.
Week 5. Good
Week 6. Terrible - Agreed
week 8 Good - I like how you say Bad or Terrible, but if it's positive it's just good. The man led the Bears to 41 first half points. Ties a franchise record. He was great in this game.
week 9 Terrible - This was a bad game by Rex and a HORRIBLE game by the offense. One of the picks Clark even admitted to running the wrong route. Lots of stuff Rex got blamed for in this game weren't his fault.
week 10. Good - He completed 60% of his passes, had 3 TDs, and 105.7 QB rating when people started really calling for Griese going into this game.
week 11. Bad - THIS WAS NOT A BAD GAME! YOU ARE RETARDED IF YOU THINK SO!!! IF ANYONE CALLS THIS A BAD GAME THEY COULD NOT WANT GRIESE OR ORTON!!! 1 TD and 0 INT he didn't turn the ball over. He was 11 for 22 completing half his passes, and only threw for 119 yards. The Bears ran the ball a lot in this game. Rex played game manager here and in no way was this bad.
week 12. Terrible - Another example of a lot of offensive misques getting blamed on Rex. The fumble that Kreutz even said hit his ass and Grossman just got his finger tips on it. That wasn't his fault. Most of those picks were just Samuel jumping the route and have a spectacular play. These weren't "WHERE IS THAT BALL GOING?" throws. They were right to the reciever. Everytime it blew my mind the reciever didn't even try for the ball. The INT that ended the game Samuel caught over the shoulder. It went right by the reciever. It was ridiculous.
week 13. Terrible - this was all on Rex. Worst I've ever seen him play. Besides the TD Clark should of had Rex was not on at all.
week 14. Good - He made plays when he needed to and didn't turn the ball over. Agreed.
week 15. Good - 339 Yards, no turnovers, a couple TD passes, and he himself kept the Bears from an embarrassing lost. Well, that's not good it was fantastic. Grossman was awesome in this game. Very decisive.

As for the pressure thing. You must not live around here. You don't know what it was like for him the week leading up to the Monday Night game. The media was hell on him. He had a shit load of pressure. Lovie, Kreutz they all seemed to see the pressure you didn't. Even going into this year he had pressure with the whole "You can't start 16 games." crap because of a couple freak injuries. Why didn't he feel the pressure last year in the playoffs? Everyone was like "If Rex comes back will go to the Super Bowl." he had a lot of expectations on him last year. Because when he came into the Atlanta game the offense sprung to life. The 22 yard throw down the middle to Moose... beautiful. You have no idea how pumped up the city was about Rex going into the playoffs do you? Trust me a whole year of Orton and then comes in a QB who can throw. The way Berrian came to life in the Green Bay game (to clinch the division) and in the Carolina game was all because he had a real QB.


You know why the Giants don't count as a good defense? Because the Bears beat them. If the Bears would have lost to a lot of teams they'd face those teams would be considered good. Going in at half time no one was down on the Giants defense. It wasn't until a superior Bears team took over that it became a crap defense. The Seahawks are a very talented defense and they got the crap beat out of them the whole game. St. Louis is a top 10 pass defense which Rex also did well against. TB isn't a bad defense either. A bad team overall due to their offense, but last year they were one of the top defenses. They are just tired out more this year due to the offense. Rex had a career game against them. Guess that doesn't mean anything though.



Ya... ummmm Bears do have gold on offense. It's called Rex Grossman. Thomas Jones had 1,300+ yards rushing, Benson was close to 300 (limited due to injury), The underrated Adrian Peterson had 400 yards and averaged 5.1 yards a carry. The Bears were one of the top running teams last year. They ran the ball better last year then this year even. Yet Kyle Orton managed 60+ yards against a San Fran team that was pretty bad. This year they might make the playoffs and are much improved. Yet Rex tore them up. I mean this gold you speak of just look at the games Rex did play in 05. Look at what Berrian did ALL YEAR with Orton compared to the Green Bay and Carolina game in the playoffs with Rex.

I didn't read the part on the inconsistency, cause your opinion on waht constitutes as a good game is completely opinionated, as is mine, so there's no point in arguing about that. And I completely understand the pressure in Chicago on Rex. I never said he didn't have any pressure, all I said was he hasn't felt any sort of pressure as he will feel in a playoff game...I don't know how you can really denie that. And about the Giants, the only douchebag that's posting in this thread, made an arguement about why Romo and Brees are better than Grossman(hahahaha), and said Romo hasn't played any "solid defenses." Well, he's played the Giants, so do the Giants count as a bad defense for Romo, and a good one for Grossman? Don't think so.

[dmb71687]

Wow, now that I'm done defending my opinion to about 15 people...haha. Again, I want to the Bears to go to the Superbowl more than any other NFC team right now, I just don't think they will. Sue me. Some solid posts though, good to see people know a lot about their home team. But for the love of God, tofixyou, never post again. You made me stupider about 15 times from reading this thread alone. I think you might be 12, or 13, and for that I'm hitting myself for taking so much time to respond to your immaturity.

[dmb71687]

Wow, nevermind, you're 22.:lol

I say this with complete certainty, you are the most pathetic 22 year old I have ever met, talked to, heard of, etc etc etc...In all my life.

K that's all.

[dmb71687]

And lastly, I like Rex Grossman, as I'm sure all you Chicago Bears fans do, but you guys think he his way better than he is, and you take the blame off of him way to easily. I have never in my life heard about a quarterback controversy when a team is 10-2 and in first place by like 2 games. If you don't think he has flaws, and a lot of them, you're simply to bias on you're home team, thus making it impossible to reason with anyone in this thread, thus meaning I wasted minutes of my life.

[saygdbye4134]

Wow, nevermind, you're 22.:lol

I say this with complete certainty, you are the most pathetic 22 year old I have ever met, talked to, heard of, etc etc etc...In all my life.

K that's all.


why don't you ladies take the tea party out of this thread.

[dmb71687]

why don't you ladies take the tea party out of this thread.

Screw that.


I'm gonna go have a funky tea party OF MY OWN.

:)

[cbotnyse]

And lastly, I like Rex Grossman, as I'm sure all you Chicago Bears fans do, but you guys think he his way better than he is, and you take the blame off of him way to easily. I have never in my life heard about a quarterback controversy when a team is 10-2 and in first place by like 2 games. If you don't think he has flaws, and a lot of them, you're simply to bias on you're home team, thus making it impossible to reason with anyone in this thread, thus meaning I wasted minutes of my life.
Nobody in this thread thinks Rex is better than he is. We live and die with Rex. I saw a stat where he has the highest number of games with a rating over a 100 and the highest number of games with a rating below 40.

We all know he has flaws but we have to stand behind him cuz he has proven he can be a good QB and griese and orton are not better options. I'm really not sure what you are talking about.

[dmb71687]

Nobody in this thread thinks Rex is better than he is. We live and die with Rex. I saw a stat where he has the highest number of games with a rating over a 100 and the highest number of games with a rating below 40.

We all know he has flaws but we have to stand behind him cuz he has proven he can be a good QB and griese and orton are not better options. I'm really not sure what you are talking about.

Have you read any of this thread? The whole discussion has been Rex Grossman butt sniffers vs. Rex Grossman doubters.(me)

And, I'm not fully convinced Rex Grossman is a better option than Brian Griese...

[cbotnyse]

Have you read any of this thread? The whole discussion has been Rex Grossman butt sniffers vs. Rex Grossman doubters.(me)

And, I'm not fully convinced Rex Grossman is a better option than Brian Griese...

well sorry youre not convinced but explain to me how it makes any sense whatsoever to make a change now? Rex has calmed down alot and just had a career day against the Bucs.

Rex is not a superstar by any means but he can be a solid QB when he plays well. Bringing in Griese now makes absolutely no sense and will not happen.

[dmb71687]

well sorry youre not convinced but explain to me how it makes any sense whatsoever to make a change now? Rex has calmed down alot and just had a career day against the Bucs.

Rex is not a superstar by any means but he can be a solid QB when he plays well. Bringing in Griese now makes absolutely no sense and will not happen.

No no no, I never said it makes sense to do that. In fact I think that would be the dumbest move Lovie Smith could do. But that still doesn't mean I can't think Griese might have been a better option, from the beginning. I just don't think the Bears need a Brett Favre type quarterback, the team just doesn't seem built for that. If they had a quarterback that was mistake free/turnover free, and could throw for 150-200 yards a game, the Bears would be unstoppable IMO. And you can see that from the games he doesn't turn the ball over, they usually end up COMPLETELY blowing out the opponent. Not many teams, if any teams, can take the ball 80 yards down the field and score a touchdown against that defense, but when they start from the other 25 yard line because of a Rex Grossman fumble, or a Rex Grossman turnover, they immediately become vulnerable. Does that make more sense?

[BotheDMBFan]

Everyone, let's put it this way.

I'm right, and you're wrong.

[TheOtherside]

Everyone, let's put it this way.

I'm right, and you're wrong.

I agree with you, although I'm the one who is right.

[BotheDMBFan]

YEah....now we just need to formulate an awnser.

[dmb71687]

I agree with you, although I'm the one who is right.

Is Lincoln Square near Depaul..?

[TheOtherside]

Is Lincoln Square near Depaul..?

Lincoln Square isn't very close (not walking distance anyway) but it's connected by the Brown Line so it is easily accessible. I went to DePaul and lived in Lincoln Park (easily confused with Lincoln Square by name, not by demographics, haha) for three years, though :D Why do you ask?

[dmb71687]

Lincoln Square isn't very close (not walking distance anyway) but it's connected by the Brown Line so it is easily accessible. I went to DePaul and lived in Lincoln Park (easily confused with Lincoln Square by name, not by demographics, haha) for three years, though :D Why do you ask?

Ah, that's where the confusement lies. No reason really, my sister runs cross country/track for Depaul and I visit frequently.

[TheOtherside]

Ah, that's where the confusement lies. No reason really, my sister runs cross country/track for Depaul and I visit frequently.

Cool, man. I miss campus. I used to have an apartment right across from the Student Center next to the L tracks.

[dmb71687]

Cool, man. I miss campus. I used to have an apartment right across from the Student Center next to the L tracks.

Yep, she lives in the Depaul apartments, (I think that's what its called.) They're crazy nice, and I love that campus. There is no better place in the U.S. than downtown Chicago, IMO.

[cbotnyse]

No no no, I never said it makes sense to do that. In fact I think that would be the dumbest move Lovie Smith could do. But that still doesn't mean I can't think Griese might have been a better option, from the beginning. I just don't think the Bears need a Brett Favre type quarterback, the team just doesn't seem built for that. If they had a quarterback that was mistake free/turnover free, and could throw for 150-200 yards a game, the Bears would be unstoppable IMO. And you can see that from the games he doesn't turn the ball over, they usually end up COMPLETELY blowing out the opponent. Not many teams, if any teams, can take the ball 80 yards down the field and score a touchdown against that defense, but when they start from the other 25 yard line because of a Rex Grossman fumble, or a Rex Grossman turnover, they immediately become vulnerable. Does that make more sense?

yeah i get it, Rex isnt a superstar, he fucks up sometimes, he is still a young QB and only played in like what, 20 games in his career? The Bears are 12-2 and Rex is playing well. I'm happy.

[dmb71687]

yeah i get it, Rex isnt a superstar, he fucks up sometimes, he is still a young QB and only played in like what, 20 games in his career? The Bears are 12-2 and Rex is playing well. I'm happy.

Again, thank you proving every single point I've made in the last who knows how many pages.

No more Bears threads for me..

[cbotnyse]

Again, thank you proving every single point I've made in the last who knows how many pages.

No more Bears threads for me..what are you talking about? You are absolutely impossible. What are you trying to prove? that rex should have been benched a long time ago? Well look at the record buddy, we've lost 2 games. If he was losing us game after game he would have been benched, but that hasnt happened.

you are worse than Mariotti.

[dmb71687]

what are you talking about? You are absolutely impossible. What are you trying to prove? that rex should have been benched a long time ago? Well look at the record buddy, we've lost 2 games. If he was losing us game after game he would have been benched, but that hasnt happened.

you are worse than Mariotti.

Nope, idiot, I'm trying to prove he's gonna blow it in the playoffs. And you just proved my point on why he will. So, no, I'm not impossible, I'm realistic.

And again, never said he should be benched, he's the future of the team and needs to have bumps in the road before he's great. This years playoffs will be one of those bumps.

If you knew how to comprehend a post, and respond to it, I wouldn't be so impossible, in fact I've been the only one who's listened to both sides without throwing a temper tantrum.

But have fun Chicago fans, I understand you've been waiting 20 years for a good team, and just can't handle the fact this MAY not be your year. I guess I can understand that frusteration.

[cbotnyse]

Nope, idiot, I'm trying to prove he's gonna blow it in the playoffs. And you just proved my point on why he will. So, no, I'm not impossible, I'm realistic.

And again, never said he should be benched, he's the future of the team and needs to have bumps in the road before he's great. This years playoffs will be one of those bumps.

If you knew how to comprehend a post, and respond to it, I wouldn't be so impossible, in fact I've been the only one who's listened to both sides without throwing a temper tantrum.

But have fun Chicago fans, I understand you've been waiting 20 years for a good team, and just can't handle the fact this MAY not be your year. I guess I can understand that frusteration.
ok so you think Rex will blow it in the playoffs, do you want me to agree with you?

[dmb71687]

ok so you think Rex will blow it in the playoffs, do you want me to agree with you?

IT'S AN OPINION!!!!! You dont have to fucking agree with it, but accept it and don't be a douchebag and call me "impossible," or any of your other insults because I don't think they will go to the Superbowl. God damn I hate sport fans like you who have there head so far up their home teams ass they can't even listen to a negative opinion about their team without flipping out.

[Tiduwho]

No, no, no, and, no. That wasn't his point. His point was the Bears played Seattle when "their defenese was dominating, and they were top 5 in the league. Yeah they went to the Superbowl..but does that mean they still didn't give up the most points in the league? Nope. So, that post was completely wrong.


No, I said "considered" meaning the MEDIA was saying these things. Not me. They were considered by everyone in the MEDIA and fans across the board as the overwhelming favorites to repeat in the NFC going into that game.

I, meanwhile, was in the NFL thread saying "the Seattle defense is overrated I can't believe so many people think they will kill Rex".


Stop trying to twist my words. And also, I never ragged on anyone about using stats last year, so I don't know who you think you are talking to...

[cbotnyse]

IT'S AN OPINION!!!!! You dont have to fucking agree with it, but accept it and don't be a douchebag and call me "impossible," or any of your other insults because I don't think they will go to the Superbowl. God damn I hate sport fans like you who have there head so far up their home teams ass they can't even listen to a negative opinion about their team without flipping out.

I can listen to your opinion just fine, and I dont even nessecarily disagree with it. But I stand behind Rex as our QB. He isnt great but he's the best we've got and is playing well. As a fan, what else do you want me to do?

[Tiduwho]

No no no, I never said it makes sense to do that. In fact I think that would be the dumbest move Lovie Smith could do. But that still doesn't mean I can't think Griese might have been a better option, from the beginning. I just don't think the Bears need a Brett Favre type quarterback, the team just doesn't seem built for that. If they had a quarterback that was mistake free/turnover free, and could throw for 150-200 yards a game, the Bears would be unstoppable IMO. And you can see that from the games he doesn't turn the ball over, they usually end up COMPLETELY blowing out the opponent. Not many teams, if any teams, can take the ball 80 yards down the field and score a touchdown against that defense, but when they start from the other 25 yard line because of a Rex Grossman fumble, or a Rex Grossman turnover, they immediately become vulnerable. Does that make more sense?

If they get Vasher and Todd Johnson back maybe. But without Mike Brown, Tommie Harris, Tank, Vash, and Todd they are no longer an invulnerable defense. The Bears will have to score points in the playoffs, I really don't think they can get to the Super Bowl without Rex anymore. Without a QB making plays. Earlier in the year Griese would have complemented the team well, but he's not exactly Mr. Reliable in the 4th quarter himself, and has never started a playoff game.

If he has to, Turner can just keep the reins on Grossman. We ran all over the #1 and #2 ranked rush defenses (Minny and NE), so I think we should be able to run on anyone besides Dallas easily in the playoffs.

If they

[Tiduwho]

IT'S AN OPINION!!!!! You dont have to fucking agree with it, but accept it and don't be a douchebag and call me "impossible," or any of your other insults because I don't think they will go to the Superbowl. God damn I hate sport fans like you who have there head so far up their home teams ass they can't even listen to a negative opinion about their team without flipping out.

People are offering opinions back, that's all. You think Rex will blow it because he's the most inconsistent qb in the league, and yadda yadda yadda. Fine, no big. That's what the media believes as well. Mike and Mike were asking why [i]shouldn't[i] Philly be considered the best in the NFC yesterday. New Orleans and Dallas after that. None of those three qb's have had any kind of playoff success or playoff experience in general but the Media takes them as consistent obvious playoff performers capable of leading their teams to the Super Bowl, and that Rex has little chance.

You are being "impossible" because you won't accept any alternative opinion, you keep posting yours over and over and over and over.


No one is even being a homer in here, no one is saying "Bears Superbowl guranteed!" A Bear fan says they should be the favorites to get to Miami, and you interpret it as an attack on yourself and your "opinion" for some reason. :ugh



There's a difference between listening to a negative opinion, and a rambler who has posted 20+ times in another team's thread about why they will choke in a mere 24 hours.

[DMBZeppelin]

No no no, I never said it makes sense to do that. In fact I think that would be the dumbest move Lovie Smith could do. But that still doesn't mean I can't think Griese might have been a better option, from the beginning. I just don't think the Bears need a Brett Favre type quarterback, the team just doesn't seem built for that. If they had a quarterback that was mistake free/turnover free, and could throw for 150-200 yards a game, the Bears would be unstoppable IMO. And you can see that from the games he doesn't turn the ball over, they usually end up COMPLETELY blowing out the opponent. Not many teams, if any teams, can take the ball 80 yards down the field and score a touchdown against that defense, but when they start from the other 25 yard line because of a Rex Grossman fumble, or a Rex Grossman turnover, they immediately become vulnerable. Does that make more sense?
It would if I was under the illusion Griese didn't turn the ball over. The has had three seasons where he's thrown more TDs then INTs, and one of those years (2001) it was close. Not to mention Grossman has more playoff experiance then Griese.

[cbotnyse]

I dont get this guy at all(dmb71687).............he is trolling in a Bears thread saying Grossman is gonna fuck up in the playoffs and we are all gonna be let down. Then when we disagree he starts crying, "OMG I cant believe you dont respect my opinion!!!"

We'll just see what happens in January.

[Tiduwho]

Remember when that Giants fan came in here declaring NY would kill us by 20 points and it wasn't even going to be close and Rex was finished because their D would eat him alive...and then at the last second he said "Haha, I was just messing with you guys" to save face in case they lost?


That was pretty funny. Especially after the Bears blew the "favorite in the NFC" at the time away.

[DMBZeppelin]

And lastly, I like Rex Grossman, as I'm sure all you Chicago Bears fans do, but you guys think he his way better than he is, and you take the blame off of him way to easily. I have never in my life heard about a quarterback controversy when a team is 10-2 and in first place by like 2 games. If you don't think he has flaws, and a lot of them, you're simply to bias on you're home team, thus making it impossible to reason with anyone in this thread, thus meaning I wasted minutes of my life.
I'll blame Rex when he screws up no problem. The only time I've defended any of his mistakes is when people blame him for things other plays messed up on (i.e. wrong routes, bad snaps). I mean when you have Desmond Clark saying "That INT wasn't Rex's fault I ran the wrong route." I'm not going to be angry with Rex. Unless you really think that the Bears recievers and tight ends run perfect routes every time. Not only that but on a timing route (where you throw the ball to a spot before they get there) I'm sure that do wonders for any QB if the person didn't show up. What are all these flaws? His main bad habit is when things go bad he throws off his back foot. Besides that he has a quick release, and is usually decisive. He has all the tool to be a great QB. So just explain the flaws.


well sorry youre not convinced but explain to me how it makes any sense whatsoever to make a change now? Rex has calmed down alot and just had a career day against the Bucs.

Rex is not a superstar by any means but he can be a solid QB when he plays well. Bringing in Griese now makes absolutely no sense and will not happen.
On the Dan Patrick Show (he's from New York so not a Chicago fan) him and the other guy on the show agreed. That Rex out of all the current young QBs (Leinhart, Cutler, Young, Cambell or however you spell the skins QB) that Rex probably has the highest ceiling and the lowest basement. Only reason I repsonded to this post is because I think Rex is more then average.

Nope, idiot, I'm trying to prove he's gonna blow it in the playoffs. And you just proved my point on why he will. So, no, I'm not impossible, I'm realistic.

And again, never said he should be benched, he's the future of the team and needs to have bumps in the road before he's great. This years playoffs will be one of those bumps.

If you knew how to comprehend a post, and respond to it, I wouldn't be so impossible, in fact I've been the only one who's listened to both sides without throwing a temper tantrum.

But have fun Chicago fans, I understand you've been waiting 20 years for a good team, and just can't handle the fact this MAY not be your year. I guess I can understand that frusteration.
Believe it or not Rex has been in big games before. He won state in High School, Bowl Games in Florida, and eventually he'll win a Super Bowl with the Bears. I know you don't like to think so, but Rex is so mentally tough. All the crap he's taken from the Chicago media. I mean I can understand why you think he doesn't get pressure from the media. Brett threw a lot of INTs last year and everyone wanted him to come back another year. Doesn't work like that down here. Even though his numbers tell otherwise everyone thinks Griese doesn't turn the ball over. People were actually calling into radio stations hoping someone would go hurt Rex so he couldn't play.

[cbotnyse]

Remember when that Giants fan came in here declaring NY would kill us by 20 points and it wasn't even going to be close and Rex was finished because their D would eat him alive...and then at the last second he said "Haha, I was just messing with you guys" to save face in case they lost?


That was pretty funny. Especially after the Bears blew the "favorite in the NFC" at the time away.I do remember that. he said the same shit too...Rex sucks, your D is overrated, blah blah blah........then we blew them out. But we had our heads up our asses, we should have believed him. :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

[DMBZeppelin]

I do remember that. he said the same shit too...Rex sucks, your D is overrated, blah blah blah........then we blew them out. But we had our heads up our asses, we should have believed him. :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes
Pro Bowl rosters announced in 25 min. Rex in or out? He was the 3rd QB as much as a week ago (last time I heard an update) with McNabb 2nd so that would move Bulger from 4th to the 3rd QB. So unless Romo made a huge push followed by Bulger I think Rex makes it.

[cbotnyse]

Pro Bowl rosters announced in 25 min. Rex in or out? He was the 3rd QB as much as a week ago (last time I heard an update) with McNabb 2nd so that would move Bulger from 4th to the 3rd QB. So unless Romo made a huge push followed by Bulger I think Rex makes it.I dont think Rex is a pro bowl QB just yet. Hopefully a few years down the road he will be a lock for the pro bowl. The depth at QB in the NFC is pretty bad this year however.

[BotheDMBFan]

Again, I'm right, you're all wrong.


What I'm right about, I'm not sure yet, but damn it, I'm right.

[DMBZeppelin]

I dont think Rex is a pro bowl QB just yet. Hopefully a few years down the road he will be a lock for the pro bowl. The depth at QB in the NFC is pretty bad this year however.
This is from Decemeber 13th and reported by ESPN's John Clayton -

Romo making Pro Bowl ballot splash: The Tony Romo push is making some headway. Although he was only added to the Pro Bowl ballot a couple weeks ago, Romo jumped to fifth in the NFC quarterback voting. His 326,127 votes put him within reach of the Marc Bulger (346,925) and Rex Grossman (348,466), who are fourth and third. Donovan McNabb is No. 2 but he's out for the season. There is no way Romo will catch Drew Brees, who has 759,643. Fan votes counts for one third of the total, and fans have until Friday to cast their ballot. With Romo within reach of the top four, there's a good chance players and coaches will vote him into a backup spot. By the way, Romo passed Eli Manning to move into fifth place.

Bears dominate voting: The 11-2 Bears continue to dominate the fan voting. They have 18 players listed in the top four of the 19 positions. The Cowboys are second in the NFC with 14. Even though the Bears are a defensive team, they have more offensive players (eight) in the top four than defensive players (six). They have a good chance to get three special teams Pro Bowlers -- kick returner Devin Hester, kicker Robbie Gould and special teamer Brandon Ayanbadejo. All five starting offensive linemen are in the hunt, too.

and in Rex's defense he's thrown I think 22 TDs which is probably only second to Brees in the NFC. If not for the four bad games he'd be a lock this year. I think next year as long as he doesn't have terrible games and just the ocassional bad one he'll be in for sure. Still this year he's got a great shot. Also, I'm REALLY interested to see Grossman with the top NFL recievers.

[BotheDMBFan]

We're not cutting Tank.

[DMBZeppelin]

Bears starters in Pro Bowl:

Offense -
(none)

Defense -
Tommie Harris
Lance Briggs

Reserves in Pro Bowl:

Offense -
Olin Kreutz

Defense -
Brian Urlacher

Special Teams:
Gould, Hester, and Ayanbadejo all made it.

Edit: Turns out the roster on NFL.com aren't listed starter at the top and reserves below (it appears that way).

[TheOtherside]

good for Briggs!

so what are the chances he returns next year? didn't urlacher say he would take a pay cut to keep him around? I think he might have to, haha.

[BotheDMBFan]

7 Pro Bowlers this year......how many did we have last year?

[DMBZeppelin]

They just said on the NFL Network that Urlacher is the starter at MLB.

[BotheDMBFan]

MUHAHAHAHA.

I knew Lofa Tatupu wasn't a starter......how can you start someone with that weird of a name?

[SoRight24]

Romo in the Pro Bowl = BULLSHIT

[Tiduwho]

Romo in the Pro Bowl = BULLSHIT

Hilarious really. It only Rex had Pro Bowl balloting during the first 5 weeks of the season like Romo got in his first 5 games.

[cbotnyse]

Pretty sweet representaion. Special teams dominate!

[TheOtherside]

suprised that that worrell (44) kid didn't get in for special teams. i swear, every single tackle made by the special teams was either made by him or he was knocking the shit out of someone.

[TheOtherside]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2701811

Gene sounds really pissed in this article for some reason. Is he from Chicago?

[Tiduwho]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2701811

Gene sounds really pissed in this article for some reason. Is he from Chicago?

Yes, he used to write for the Sun-Times I believe.

[TheOtherside]

Yes, he used to write for the Sun-Times I believe.

Makes sense. Me thinks he needs to calm down a bit. And what was the thing about Ced and Jones not liking each other? As far as I'm concerned that has made them both better this year. He was writing like the media has been ball washing the Bears all year, too, when that seemed to stop completely and go in the complete opposite direction after the Miami loss.

whatever, i agreed with him on a couple things.

[Tiduwho]

Not to mention, it seems he doesn't realize that Rex started the playoff game last year and not Throat Beard.

[BotheDMBFan]

Hey hey hey now, Neck Beard knows how to manage a game.....and throw for 91 yds passing in a game!

[darbini]

Throat Beard.

Muahahahahaha!!! That's great

[Tiduwho]

Muahahahahaha!!! That's great

I like to think I coined it before anyone else did last yaer.

[tofixyou]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2701811

Gene sounds really pissed in this article for some reason. Is he from Chicago?

He lost credibiltiy when he took cheap shots at tank... like that's the easiest thing to do in the world, and it's not even that funny....

[dmb71687]

People are offering opinions back, that's all. You think Rex will blow it because he's the most inconsistent qb in the league, and yadda yadda yadda. Fine, no big. That's what the media believes as well. Mike and Mike were asking why [i]shouldn't[i] Philly be considered the best in the NFC yesterday. New Orleans and Dallas after that. None of those three qb's have had any kind of playoff success or playoff experience in general but the Media takes them as consistent obvious playoff performers capable of leading their teams to the Super Bowl, and that Rex has little chance.

You are being "impossible" because you won't accept any alternative opinion, you keep posting yours over and over and over and over.


No one is even being a homer in here, no one is saying "Bears Superbowl guranteed!" A Bear fan says they should be the favorites to get to Miami, and you interpret it as an attack on yourself and your "opinion" for some reason. :ugh



There's a difference between listening to a negative opinion, and a rambler who has posted 20+ times in another team's thread about why they will choke in a mere 24 hours.

You seem like a good guy who can handle a debate with an opposing opinion. And trust me, if you read the last few pages post for post, you would see if anything I was being the one who was accepting other opinions. And yes, there are many homers here saying "bears superbowl guaranteed" (tofixyou) and that is who most of my comments about being a homer etc have been directed to.

[DMBZeppelin]

He lost credibiltiy when he took cheap shots at tank... like that's the easiest thing to do in the world, and it's not even that funny....
Besides the Denny Green thing and the 85' Bears I basically took out of that article "The Bears suck because of Tank Johnson. Lovie isn't emotional so he won't cut Tank. So now the Bears suck." Good thing Tank is only missing one more game. Then coming back and has Brett Farve and the Pack as a warm up game before the playoffs.

[DMBZeppelin]

Romo in the Pro Bowl = BULLSHIT
Romo had only played in 7 games when this shit was voted on. He can only play in 10 games total if he starts the rest of the year. The media basically put him in with all the Romo ball licking. Also you know who else shouldn't be in there is Merriman (did I spell that right). They sounded so amazed by his numbers "HE DID ALL THIS PRODUCTION AFTER MISSING 4 GAMES!" the guy didn't miss games. He was suspended for Roids!!! If a baseball player got busted for Roids it be a huge deal. He does it and they praise him for it. Ya I could put up insane numbers if I cheated. They always avoid saying suspended. No he "missed" 4 games and it's so cool that he still has those numbers. Don't know if that bothers anyone else, but it does me.

[BotheDMBFan]

The Merriman thing makes me sick to my stomach.

[Tiduwho]

Romo had only played in 7 games when this shit was voted on. He can only play in 10 games total if he starts the rest of the year. The media basically put him in with all the Romo ball licking. Also you know who else shouldn't be in there is Merriman (did I spell that right). They sounded so amazed by his numbers "HE DID ALL THIS PRODUCTION AFTER MISSING 4 GAMES!" the guy didn't miss games. He was suspended for Roids!!! If a baseball player got busted for Roids it be a huge deal. He does it and they praise him for it. Ya I could put up insane numbers if I cheated. They always avoid saying suspended. No he "missed" 4 games and it's so cool that he still has those numbers. Don't know if that bothers anyone else, but it does me.

Bingo. And alot of ESPN analysts are calling him the frontrunner for Defensive Player of the Year. What a sick double standard! They rag on Barroid and baseball players day in and day out and then they play up a football player who is doing the same thing? What a joke.


LT on crack > Merriman on Roids

[UCFish]

Well is Merriman on steroids as bad as Ray Lewis murdering people and being praised?....Something to ponder.

[UNC41]

Bingo. And alot of ESPN analysts are calling him the frontrunner for Defensive Player of the Year. What a sick double standard! They rag on Barroid and baseball players day in and day out and then they play up a football player who is doing the same thing? What a joke.


LT on crack > Merriman on Roids

Jason Taylor is the Defensive Player of the Year and it isn't even close.

[Tiduwho]

Jason Taylor is the Defensive Player of the Year and it isn't even close.

Ever since the Bears game he has been unstoppable. :thumbsup

[UNC41]

Ever since the Bears game he has been unstoppable. :thumbsup

55 tackles, 12.5 sacks, 9 forced fumbles, 2 interceptions, 2 touchdowns and 1 blocked kick

[DMBZeppelin]

55 tackles, 12.5 sacks, 9 forced fumbles, 2 interceptions, 2 touchdowns and 1 blocked kick
I'm not saying I wouldn't vote Taylor because he has been a beast. How come I never heard Urlacher get consideration anymore? Earlier in the year he was conisdered a lock. I will say that I've NEVER in my life seen a defensive player take over a game like Urlacher did in Arizona. His numbers aren't horrible 127 Tackles, 1 FF, and 3 INTs. I know Urlacher has more tackles then that though. Got the stats from ESPN and it only credits him wth 19 of his 25 tackles from the Arizona game. Anyways I totally understand the Taylor thing. He's just crazy right now. What I don't get though is how someone like Urlacher is now getting over looked because of Shawnroid Merriman.

[Tiduwho]

All charges have been dropped against Tank Johnson. Apparently the guns were all legally bought and registered in Arizona. The Gurnee PD didn't do their homework. And they were his dead buddies' and by some other loophole he also didn't violate his Probation.

Hooray for the legal system!

[TheOtherside]

All charges have been dropped against Tank Johnson. Apparently the guns were all legally bought and registered in Arizona. The Gurnee PD didn't do their homework. And they were his dead buddies' and by some other loophole he also didn't violate his Probation.

Hooray for the legal system!

:thumbsup :thumbsup

link, btw?

[cbotnyse]

All charges have been dropped against Tank Johnson. Apparently the guns were all legally bought and registered in Arizona. The Gurnee PD didn't do their homework. And they were his dead buddies' and by some other loophole he also didn't violate his Probation.

Hooray for the legal system!no kidding? whered you hear? linky?

[DMBZeppelin]

All charges have been dropped against Tank Johnson. Apparently the guns were all legally bought and registered in Arizona. The Gurnee PD didn't do their homework. And they were his dead buddies' and by some other loophole he also didn't violate his Probation.

Hooray for the legal system!
I was in Chicago seeing Damien Rice. I called up my dad and he told me this. Said he heard it on the radio. What makes me happy is besides the one game suspension the Bears gave him. He won't get further punishment from the NFL. I really think him coming back is going to be a huge lift for the Bears. They all seem to really like him and will probably be happy about this. Ogunleye even said we wouldn't win in the playoffs without him. So if Vash and Todd Johnson come back this defense is going to start looking familiar. Add that with Rex and the running game being on at the same time, and we might hit on all cylinders come playoff time.

[DMBZeppelin]

He didn't make the Pro Bowl but Grossman is the NFC Offensive Player of the Week:
http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=2829

Edit: The 2003 first-round draft pick is tied for fourth in the NFL with 22 TD passes this season, trailing only the Colts’ Peyton Manning (26), the Saints’ Drew Brees (25) and the Bengals’ Carson Palmer (24).

[UNC41]

I'm not saying I wouldn't vote Taylor because he has been a beast. How come I never heard Urlacher get consideration anymore? Earlier in the year he was conisdered a lock. I will say that I've NEVER in my life seen a defensive player take over a game like Urlacher did in Arizona. His numbers aren't horrible 127 Tackles, 1 FF, and 3 INTs. I know Urlacher has more tackles then that though. Got the stats from ESPN and it only credits him wth 19 of his 25 tackles from the Arizona game. Anyways I totally understand the Taylor thing. He's just crazy right now. What I don't get though is how someone like Urlacher is now getting over looked because of Shawnroid Merriman.

See Taylor against Minnesota this year. He stopped a drive with one forced fumble, intercepted a pass and returned it for a touchdown and forced another fumble on a sack ... in the fourth quarter. Miami looked like shit the entire game and without Taylor there is no way they win.

I understand that Urlacher is a great player, but Taylor should be the unanimous Defensive Player of the Year.

[DMBZeppelin]

Found this on the Suntimes.com (looking for the Tank article) I alway hear this stat but now I know for sure it's real:

RATINGS WAR Bears quarterback Rex Grossman is a candidate for Player of the Week honors after his 339-yard passing day Sunday against the Buccaneers. Grossman's 104.3 passer rating in that game gave him seven performances this season with a 100-plus rating, which leads the NFL. The Rams' Marc Bulger is next with six.

So why would anyone have doubted Grossman? His four games with a sub-40 passer rating are the most among NFL starters. And while he has had ratings higher than 100 five times at Soldier Field, it was there that he put up a 1.3 in Week 13 against the Vikings.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I also found this:

PETERSON PRIDE Nobody was happier to see Adrian Peterson break a key 11-yard run to set up the game-winning field goal in overtime Sunday than the man he replaced. Running back Thomas Jones, who left the game with a rib injury, might not be especially close with backup Cedric Benson, but he certainly loves Peterson.

''Oh, man, I'm excited for him,'' Jones said. ''The guy works hard. He deserves it. He's a great running back. He plays well on special teams, really takes pride in his job. He's one of the most valuable players on this team. And he's a leader, he leads by example. Any time you have a guy like that ... they mean a lot to your team.''
~~~~~~~~
Edit: Also found this one. Guess the Lions assistant coach is missing the Christmas Eve game.

NAKED TRUTH Lions assistant coach Joe Cullen, who was arrested for drunken driving and again for driving nude, was suspended by the NFL for the game Sunday against the Bears and fined $20,000.

The Lions had suspended Cullen, their defensive line coach, for the season opener against the Seahawks. But after Cullen met with commissioner Roger Goodell on Dec. 1 in New York, the league suspended him for another game, citing conduct detrimental to the league.

On Aug. 24, Cullen was arrested on suspicion of indecent and obscene conduct after police said he drove nude through a fast-food takeout lane in Dearborn, Mich.

[BotheDMBFan]

See Taylor against Minnesota this year. He stopped a drive with one forced fumble, intercepted a pass and returned it for a touchdown and forced another fumble on a sack ... in the fourth quarter. Miami looked like shit the entire game and without Taylor there is no way they win.

I understand that Urlacher is a great player, but Taylor should be the unanimous Defensive Player of the Year.

IDK about unanimous, but he would get my vote.

[watchtower41]

Havent been in on this convo the whole tome but read the past couple threads about defensive player of the year...

Urlacher will win this in a landslide and should. He soley responsilble for the comeback against the Cardinals this year and the best player on the best defense in football. He was even mentioned as a possible MVP candidate a couple weeks back. I see Taylor finishing 3rd behind Merriman. The best player on a crap defense can stock up all the stats we wants, Taylor doesnt make the players around him better. Making JP Lossman look like Joe Montana and giving him a half hour in the pocket last weekend certainly didnt help any slim chances that Taylor had at this award

[BotheDMBFan]

If I voted, here would be my top 5 Defensive Players of the Year.

1. Jason Taylor
2. Brian Urlacher
3. Champ Bailey
4. Ray Lewis(That makes me fucking cringe, however, he is the leader of the best defense in the NFL.)
5. Tommie Harris

Merroids doesn't get on my list for being a fucking cheater......however, murderers are allowed on my list.

[Tiduwho]

Ray Lewis is not in the top 5. He's not even the best defensive player on his own team.

[BotheDMBFan]

Ray Lewis is not in the top 5. He's not even the best defensive player on his own team.

Yeh, I was just having a hard time figuring who on the Ravens I should pick...Reed might have been a better pick, but fuck it, the point I was trying to make is, No Merroids.

[Tiduwho]

Yeh, I was just having a hard time figuring who on the Ravens I should pick...Reed might have been a better pick, but fuck it, the point I was trying to make is, No Merroids.

Don't worry, point well taken.

[UNC41]

Havent been in on this convo the whole tome but read the past couple threads about defensive player of the year...

Urlacher will win this in a landslide and should. He soley responsilble for the comeback against the Cardinals this year and the best player on the best defense in football. He was even mentioned as a possible MVP candidate a couple weeks back. I see Taylor finishing 3rd behind Merriman. The best player on a crap defense can stock up all the stats we wants, Taylor doesnt make the players around him better. Making JP Lossman look like Joe Montana and giving him a half hour in the pocket last weekend certainly didnt help any slim chances that Taylor had at this award

Your ignorance is amusing.

How many crap defenses are third in yards allowed, third in points allowed? Are you aware the Bears are third in points allowed and fifth in yards allowed?

Yes JP Losman had a heck of a game on Sunday, but he's also ninth in the NFL in QB rating. He's not quite as bad as you think. What you failed to mention is how Chicago allowed Tim Rattay to look equally as good on Sunday. Rattay's only played six games in the past two years.

Urlacher's performance was impressive as hell against the Cardinals, but Taylor's against the Vikings was equally impressive. The only thing is Chicago's game was televised nationally so everyone who watches MNF was able to see it where Taylor won't get the same recognition for his game because it was a regional broadcast.

Ohh, and if we're giving it to the best defensive player on the best defense in the NFL, which Ravens player is your choice?

[watchtower41]

[QUOTE=UNC41;5385775]Your ignorance is amusing.

How many crap defenses are third in yards allowed, third in points allowed? Are you aware the Bears are third in points allowed and fifth in yards allowed?

QUOTE]

The Dolphins allowed the Packers to score 34 points on them. The Packers. Not to mention the defensive battle loss to the Texans earlier this year. The stats can say whatever the hell they want.... then I'll comeback with asking you to show me a game where Taylor had 26 solo tackles in one game this year.

Sure the Bears looks shotty last week against Tampa, I dont care about yards as long as they dont score and we take away the ball from them. What you fail to mention is turnovers. Something Taylor doesnt cause much of.

[UNC41]

[QUOTE=UNC41;5385775]Your ignorance is amusing.

How many crap defenses are third in yards allowed, third in points allowed? Are you aware the Bears are third in points allowed and fifth in yards allowed?

QUOTE]

The Dolphins allowed the Packers to score 34 points on them. The Packers. Not to mention the defensive battle loss to the Texans earlier this year. The stats can say whatever the hell they want.... then I'll comeback with asking you to show me a game where Taylor had 26 solo tackles in one game this year.

Sure the Bears looks shotty last week against Tampa, I dont care about yards as long as they dont score and we take away the ball from them. What you fail to mention is turnovers. Something Taylor doesnt cause much of.

San Fran hung 41 on the Bears. Tampa Bay put up 34. Miami scored 31 on them. If you're going to argue the Dolphins' defense blows due to one or two games, Chicago isn't so hot either.

Sure Taylor hasn't gotten 26 solo tackles in a game this year, but find me one defensive lineman who ever has. If that's your argument then linebackers are the only ones who are every worth of the award because they are the only players in the position to get that many tackles in one game.

I'm saving the best for last. Taylor doesn't cause many turnovers? :lol :lol :lol 9 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery, 2 interceptions (he scored on both) and one blocked kick.

[BotheDMBFan]

San Fran hung 41 on the Bears. Tampa Bay put up 34. Miami scored 31 on them. If you're going to argue the Dolphins' defense blows due to one or two games, Chicago isn't so hot either.



You mean, Da Bears hung 41 on the 49ers, right?(49'ers only scored 10 points in that game)

[UNC41]

You mean, Da Bears hung 41 on the 49ers, right?(49'ers only scored 10 points in that game)

Yeah, my bad. Brain fart. The point still stands though.

[BotheDMBFan]

And I agree with it for the most part.

However, if Urlacher won over Taylor, it not only wouldn't be a surprise, but it wouldn't be a bad choice either.

[UNC41]

Agree to disagree I guess.

I think Taylor has clearly shown this year that he deserves the award. He's numero uno and two through four is some combination of Urlacher, Bailey and Merriman.

[Tiduwho]

Agree to disagree I guess.

I think Taylor has clearly shown this year that he deserves the award. He's numero uno and two through four is some combination of Urlacher, Bailey and Merriman.

And Barry Bonds deserves all those MVPs and the Home Run Title.

[DMBZeppelin]

[quote=watchtower41;5385844]

San Fran hung 41 on the Bears. Tampa Bay put up 34. Miami scored 31 on them. If you're going to argue the Dolphins' defense blows due to one or two games, Chicago isn't so hot either.

Sure Taylor hasn't gotten 26 solo tackles in a game this year, but find me one defensive lineman who ever has. If that's your argument then linebackers are the only ones who are every worth of the award because they are the only players in the position to get that many tackles in one game.

I'm saving the best for last. Taylor doesn't cause many turnovers? :lol :lol :lol 9 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery, 2 interceptions (he scored on both) and one blocked kick.
So you're telling me Justin Gage's fumble and Devin Hester fumbling near the end zone, and Grossman's pick for a TD had NOTHING to do with that 31 points? It was all the defense giving up long drives where Harrington was just phenominal? And Tampa Bay managed a whole 3 points in 3 quarters. Then the Bears tried some blitzes that they got totally burnt on. It's not like Rattay dominated the whole game. Matt Leinart and the Cardinals dominated the Bears defense more then either the Dolphins or Bucs.

[DMBZeppelin]

Urlacher's performance was impressive as hell against the Cardinals, but Taylor's against the Vikings was equally impressive. The only thing is Chicago's game was televised nationally so everyone who watches MNF was able to see it where Taylor won't get the same recognition for his game because it was a regional broadcast.

Ohh, and if we're giving it to the best defensive player on the best defense in the NFL, which Ravens player is your choice?
Urlacher's performance against the Ravens is one of the single greatest defensive performances of all time. He didn't make just a key play here or there (if we count that then Tommie Harris against the Vikings is just as good as Taylor's) he made the key plays while dominating the whole second half. It was just un real. Also give me Mike Brown and Tommie Harris back and I'll show you the best defense in the NFL.

[BotheDMBFan]

We played the Ravens this year?

[VanHorneDog]

Yeh, I was just having a hard time figuring who on the Ravens I should pick...Reed might have been a better pick, but fuck it, the point I was trying to make is, No Merroids.

why no merrimen? he has been a more dominant player the last two years.

if you say steroids dont go there. he tested negative before the one time and he has tested negative since. i really dont think its a big deal. i thought steroids DIDNT have a long term effect. (i may be wrong)

but, now that he has tested positive he will have most tests done more frequently. you can be assured he will be playing better than lewis all by himself.

:D

[BotheDMBFan]

why no merrimen? he has been a more dominant player the last two years.

if you say steroids dont go there. he tested negative before the one time and he has tested negative since. i really dont think its a big deal. i thought steroids DIDNT have a long term effect. (i may be wrong)

but, now that he has tested positive he will have most tests done more frequently. you can be assured he will be playing better than lewis all by himself.

:D

Barry Bonds has never tested positive, and yet he is scrutinized, while Merroids did, and apparently, he's a fucking hero.

Maybe, to get everyone off of his back, Barry should test positive....

[VanHorneDog]

Barry Bonds has never tested positive, and yet he is scrutinized, while Merroids did, and apparently, he's a fucking hero.

Maybe, to get everyone off of his back, Barry should test positive....

different sports, you cant compare.

i dont think Merrimen is a hero, he is a good football player. now, yes i probably wouldnt like him if he was on another team, but i have to stick up for my boys.

if he tests positive again, ill eat my words.

[BotheDMBFan]

different sports, you cant compare.

i dont think Merrimen is a hero, he is a good football player. now, yes i probably wouldnt like him if he was on another team, but i have to stick up for my boys.

if he tests positive again, ill eat my words.

Same issue, yes I can.

I really meant more the media saying he's a hero.

He won't......but that doesn't mean he's not still taking them.

[DMBZeppelin]

why no merrimen? he has been a more dominant player the last two years.

if you say steroids dont go there. he tested negative before the one time and he has tested negative since. i really dont think its a big deal. i thought steroids DIDNT have a long term effect. (i may be wrong)

but, now that he has tested positive he will have most tests done more frequently. you can be assured he will be playing better than lewis all by himself.

:D
You can be using steroids and pass a piss test. Your not on them 24/7 you take them in cycles. Point is he got caught. If he's on them now he probably has been for a while. If he was being ultra productive with out them I doubt he felt the pressure to use them, and YES roids have a long term effect. The big deal is that it's cheating. Could you imagine if we put Urlacher on HGH and Roids? The man would be unstoppable. Hell lets put Tommie Harris on them as well. If their hearts don't explode the 07 Roid Bears could be unstoppable. Will call up old Chicago hero Sammy to get back on them and he can be the punter with his legs of steel. If you don't see the big deal with having unfair advantages then that's you.

[DMBZeppelin]

different sports, you cant compare.

i dont think Merrimen is a hero, he is a good football player. now, yes i probably wouldnt like him if he was on another team, but i have to stick up for my boys.

if he tests positive again, ill eat my words.
How do they not compare?!? So if Michael Jordan wanted to get on roids for Basketball that have been ok, but when he played baseball if he was still on them then he'd be the devil? Same with the likes of your Bo Jacksons and what not. What's the rule for the two sport athlete? Should future Cubbie pitcher and hopefully future Bear reciever Jeff Samarjda go on roids during football and cut them off for baseball? I mean regardless of sports they are all professional athletes. They are outlawed in all sports for a reason. Hell Justin Gatlin (the worlds fastest man) tried out for the Texans. Mainly because he can't compete in track or the olympics anymore. Testing positive for roids will do that for you. So do you think the Titan's player Haynesworth should of taken two steps on that guys face?

[TempHelpNeeded]

Da Bears lost to my Patriots.

[BotheDMBFan]

Though we would have won had it not been for that God damned Rex Grossman.

[TempHelpNeeded]

We didn't even have our whole secondary. No Eugene Wilson, Randall Gay, or Rodney Harrison. Not having those guys makes our defense week anyway. Brady played well. We just couldn't hold onto the ball when we got tackled.

[DMBZeppelin]

Though we would have won had it not been for that God damned Rex Grossman.
So the Kreutz fumble in the red zone had nothing to do with it? Or the outstanding play of Samuel? The man was on fire. Rex's passes were on target. Samuel just out played the reciever. But ya lets blame our only chance at a Super Bowl. He's only been one of the most productive QBs this year. 7 Games with QB Ratings of 100+ (Tops in the NFL) and only 3 more QBs Peyton, Brees, and Palmer have thrown more then his 22 TD passes. He's also the only reaosn we beat the Bucs. Rex wasn't at the top of his game against the Pats, but oh well. I still can't believe I'm hearing Rex complaints. Who cares if the Patriots beat us? I mean if Ricky Manning appeals the suspension and plays maybe they Pats offense scores less? I don't know.

[DMBZeppelin]

We didn't even have our whole secondary. No Eugene Wilson, Randall Gay, or Rodney Harrison. Not having those guys makes our defense week anyway. Brady played well. We just couldn't hold onto the ball when we got tackled.
Actually Brady played kind of bad. Which was sad because he had all the time in the world. The secondary shut him down pretty much the whole game. The difference was the Patriots made plays when they had to. Brady played like shit most of the game, but with the game on the line he came through.

Edit: I know for a fact the Bears didn't have Manning Jr. or Mike Brown. Not sure who else. Neither defense was at full strength. If it was it have been a lower scoring game.

[BotheDMBFan]

You don't get sarcasm very well, do ya?

[TempHelpNeeded]

Actually Brady played kind of bad. Which was sad because he had all the time in the world. The secondary shut him down pretty much the whole game. The difference was the Patriots made plays when they had to. Brady played like shit most of the game, but with the game on the line he came through.

Edit: I know for a fact the Bears didn't have Manning Jr. or Mike Brown. Not sure who else. Neither defense was at full strength. If it was it have been a lower scoring game.



True. But two of Brady's picks were from passes that were caught then popped balls. The receivers weren't protecting the balls from a very fierce defense. It cost us a few extra points, if not just field goals. Brady was very lethargic at points though.

[DMBZeppelin]

You don't get sarcasm very well, do ya?
my bad

[UNC41]

Urlacher's performance against the Ravens is one of the single greatest defensive performances of all time. He didn't make just a key play here or there (if we count that then Tommie Harris against the Vikings is just as good as Taylor's) he made the key plays while dominating the whole second half. It was just un real. Also give me Mike Brown and Tommie Harris back and I'll show you the best defense in the NFL.

Jason Taylor's was just as good, if not fucking better, against the Vikings.

Quit fucking kidding yourself. Taylor if the best defensive player inthe NFL.

[DMBZeppelin]

Jason Taylor's was just as good, if not fucking better, against the Vikings.

Quit fucking kidding yourself. Taylor if the best defensive player inthe NFL.
WHOA WHOA WHOA! I even said I'd give Taylor the nod for defensive player of the year, and that Urlacher deserved consideration. I would take Urlacher (best linebacker in the NFL) or Tommie Harris (best DT in the NFL) over Taylor who I'm not even sure if he's the best at his position. You have your Dwight Freenys and Julius Peppers who's just a freak. It's cool if you want to say he's had the best year and I might agree with you. Best defensive player in the NFL? No that's not even close to being true.

[DMBZeppelin]

Bears game got pumped up to 7:15 CT for the Sunday Night game, and the last game of the regular season. Lets hope we blow out the Pack!

[BotheDMBFan]

HELL YEAH.

Also, what'd pro bowl spot stealer Tony Romo do today? Oh yeah, jack shit.

[Tiduwho]

The Tony Romo apologists on the ESPN boards are downright mesmirizing today. In other news, when I went to Church today (Burlington), there was Romo stuff everywhere throughout town. Grew up only 15 minutes away.

[BotheDMBFan]

What ESPN boards?

[Tiduwho]

http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?sport=nfl&id=general


I have it bookmarked, they're under Sportsnation or something somewhere. I don't even think I'd be able to find them on the site right now without the bookmark. If there's any buzz about anything that's just happened, you'll find it there as it gets mucho traffic. Majority of it is crap though.

[BotheDMBFan]

I'm never making fun of this place again.

ESPN boards are a bunch of fignuts.

[DMBZeppelin]

Our QB situation scares me right now, but only one of them has playoff experiance. That one person is Rex Grossman. Hopefully he rebounds. Found some good stuff on ChicagoBears.com:

This was earlier in the year but this was Grossman after his first 16 starts of his career -

Grossman has led the Bears to a 12-4 record as a starter while completing 262 of 469 passes for 3,305 yards with 21 touchdowns and 16 interceptions. His stats are comparable to those of Brett Favre, who passed for 3,390 yards with 20 TDs and 17 interceptions in his first 16 pro starts in 1992-93.

Not saying he'll be that, but since they are both gunslingers I figured I'd post that. Grossman is now 18-6 as a starter. This question was submited in their Chalk Talk section on the Bears offical website -

Larry: I am so tired of people bashing Rex Grossman. We have to understand that this is really his rookie season as a player. How many interceptions did Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer throw in their first full seasons at the helm? I think that we’ll be mentioning Rex’s name along with those two in years to come.

Bryan R.
Okinawa, Japan

Bryan: Rex Grossman’s statistics are very similar to those of Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer in their first full seasons as starting quarterbacks. In fact, Grossman had a better passer rating (73.9) and threw fewer interceptions (20) than Manning (71.2 passer rating with 28 interceptions) did while starting all 16 games as a rookie with the Indianapolis Colts in 1998. Carson Palmer threw 18 interceptions while compiling a 77.3 passer rating in his first full season as a starter with the Cincinnati Bengals in 2004. Grossman passed for 3,193 yards and 23 TDs, while Manning threw for 3,739 yards and 26 TDs and Palmer amassed 2,897 yards and 18 TDs.

Now I know he's had an up and down season, but he's showed a lot of promise. He led the NFL in 100+ QB Rating games as has been stated in this thread before. He'll also be making his second playoff start this year. Hopefully more. I mean the path he's taking to becoming a consistent QB isn't out of the ordinary of anyone else. It's just that when people like Favre and Manning struggled it was on bad teams. They even said had this happened with Favre on a playoff team instead of a bad one he might have been benched.

So, hopefully after the savior Griese showed that he's not the magic man everyone made him out to be. I mean hell both him and Grossman had passes that could have gotten either of them more INTs. Plus Griese who I hear has 100% accuarcy rating from everyone couldn't hit a wide open guy in the backfield. How do you throw a short pass short? I don't know, but hopefully we just win a playoff game. If we do that I don't care what happens the rest of the way. I just want this team to know they're capable of winning one. So when they come back next year it's like "Ok I know what it takes to win in this situation." anyways sorry for ranting, but I figured I'd resurrect the thread.

[davehead86]

^^^

I agree 100% and have been saying it but didnt dig up the facts all season. I think as soon as Grossman is better able to read the pocket and the situations around the pocket he will become a great QB for the bears style of playing. He needs time, and Lovie knows this.

And Greise is just as bad, but sportscenter dosent want to mention his 2 INT, just Grossmans 2 in the Packers game, oh and did anyone else notice that this is the second time the snapper has fucked up and hit himself with the ball leading to a Grossman dog pile on the ball. He needs to get a talkin to.

[DMBZeppelin]

^^^

I agree 100% and have been saying it but didnt dig up the facts all season. I think as soon as Grossman is better able to read the pocket and the situations around the pocket he will become a great QB for the bears style of playing. He needs time, and Lovie knows this.

And Greise is just as bad, but sportscenter dosent want to mention his 2 INT, just Grossmans 2 in the Packers game, oh and did anyone else notice that this is the second time the snapper has fucked up and hit himself with the ball leading to a Grossman dog pile on the ball. He needs to get a talkin to.
Ya I hate ESPN. Actually after the Lions game they said he got benched for Griese. I didn't hear ANY mention of him after the Packers game. Just that Grossman would cost them the game. Which without them being able to say "Well the Dan Marino of the pre-season. Who went for a godly 6 for 9 in the Lions game." because it seemed to me instead of mentioning Griese's 2 INTs they just chose to not mention him at all. Even on the post game shows on Fox Sports Net with Azumah, Dent, and the guy from the Tribune. It was all about Rex. Not that the offense didn't work with a different type of QB in it. Grossman is still the only QB to make this offense look like it's worth anything all year.

I do think that Grossman will make his biggest leap next year. I know he's over a full season of start, but he went from 6 career starts to 22 career starts. He'll have his 23rd soon enough and hopefully more. He's learned A LOT this season. So I think the offseason and the mental rest will be huge for him. If he's like this next year though, then I'd start to worry. I don't see it happening. Just think he's been through it all this year, and has come out of it all. I just went back on ChicagoBears.com and grabbed this. Because I also thought it spoke well of his mental toughness -

Larry: It’s hard not to be impressed with how poised Rex Grossman is in the spotlight, either answering questions or playing under pressure. Do you think his veteran-like maturity is the result of him dealing with his past injuries or anyone who was ridiculous enough to doubt him?

Mark K.
Richmond, Virginia

Mark: No, I don’t think those things have anything to do with his maturity. Rex is one of the classiest professional athletes I’ve ever dealt with and he has been ever since I met him at the NFL scouting combine in 2003. Spend five minutes talking to him and you can tell that he was born to be a quarterback in terms of the leadership skills and confidence he possesses. He’s definitely mature beyond his years. I remember when he broke his ankle in the 2005 preseason. Most athletes would have declined to speak with the media after suffering such a physical and emotional blow. But he leaned on his crutches and answered every last question, which impressed me more than anything I’ve seen him accomplish on the field.

I remember that interview he did after the St. Louis pre-season game in 05' and it's true that I've seen many QBs not do interviews. Even Favre after something bad has declined a lot of interviews. That's also because he's very thin skinned. He's physically tough, and a great QB. Not trying to argue. They were talking on the radio though before the game how he doesn't handle criticism well. He only will talk to the media one day a week ect. Anyways I just agree that after Arizona, after Minnesota a few weeks ago, and after the Packers game where Lovie benched him early. He has come out and answered all the questions. One of the reporters (I forget exactly what he said, but sort of chewed out Rex a bit) and to which Rex said "That's fair." and then the guy asked him something else and Rex elaborated. He doesn't flip out like Denny Green or avoid the press. He takes all the criticism and doesn't hide from it. I mean he even got asked by the New York media "How does it feel to be the weak link on the team." I just know if anyone is mentally tough enough to pull through a slump it's Rex. Hopefully Good Rex shows up in the playoffs.

[Dancing Ants]

The Tony Romo apologists on the ESPN boards are downright mesmirizing today. In other news, when I went to Church today (Burlington), there was Romo stuff everywhere throughout town. Grew up only 15 minutes away.

what's there to apologize for? out of the last 4 games, he's had a QB rating of 100+.

[Bron Yr Aur]

what's there to apologize for? out of the last 4 games, he's had a QB rating of 100+.

Get the faulk outta here...

Despite all the problems lately, I think we're looking ok coming in to the playoffs. The defense will get a nice week off, and they absolutely must stick with Rex. He can win us games, something I don't think Griese can do.

[dmbhoosier21]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2720086


Bears quarterback Rex Grossman (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6358) says he learned an important lesson by not giving it "100 percent" while preparing for Chicago's regular-season finale against the Green Bay Packers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=gnb) last Sunday.


The lesson?


"In this league, especially at this position, you have to bring it every single week, no matter what," Grossman told the Chicago Sun-Times for Thursday's editions. "And the situation was I felt like I was going to play about a half, and it was the last game, it was New Year's Eve -- there were so many other factors that brought my focus away from what is actually important, and that's something that I am never going to do again.


.....huh, that's bullshit if you ask me - i don't care if you didn't give 100%, a professional QB should never have a 0.0 rating. Also, one should never admit to not giving 100% - that's just dumb and opening yourself up for a lot of criticisms.

[saygdbye4134]

"In this league, especially at this position, you have to bring it every single week, no matter what," Grossman told the Chicago Sun-Times for Thursday's editions. "And the situation was I felt like I was going to play about a half, and it was the last game, it was New Year's Eve -- there were so many other factors that brought my focus away from what is actually important, and that's something that I am never going to do again.



wow. i am a bear fan tried and true, but that disgusts me.

i'm glad you aren't my fucking doctor rex, wouldn't want you to study up or be prepared or anything.

get your fucking shit together you little bitch, i don't want this to be a 13-win season clusterfuck.

[DMBZeppelin]

wow. i am a bear fan tried and true, but that disgusts me.

i'm glad you aren't my fucking doctor rex, wouldn't want you to study up or be prepared or anything.

get your fucking shit together you little bitch, i don't want this to be a 13-win season clusterfuck.
You've got to be kidding me. People want to make this a bigger deal then it is. Even the guys on 670 were making fun of the Rex critics on this one. Because you have to be a liar to say that you give 100% everyday at your job. Most days you probably do, but everyone has a day where they don't give 100% and there mind is else where. The only problem with this is that he was honest. Other players feel this way. Even Urlacher kind of mentioned it without saying himself specifically. Your right the man plays football for a living. He's not a surgeon. People have half assed days on the job. It happens. He could of said "Well I tip my cap to them." but no instead he was completely honest. He admitted he wasn't prepared and said it would never happen again. A lesson learned from his first full season. That he needs to give it his all in every game.

[dmbhoosier21]

You've got to be kidding me. People want to make this a bigger deal then it is. Even the guys on 670 were making fun of the Rex critics on this one. Because you have to be a liar to say that you give 100% everyday at your job. Most days you probably do, but everyone has a day where they don't give 100% and there mind is else where. The only problem with this is that he was honest. Other players feel this way. Even Urlacher kind of mentioned it without saying himself specifically. Your right the man plays football for a living. He's not a surgeon. People have half assed days on the job. It happens. He could of said "Well I tip my cap to them." but no instead he was completely honest. He admitted he wasn't prepared and said it would never happen again. A lesson learned from his first full season. That he needs to give it his all in every game.

:lol - I don't care how "unprepared" an NFL QB is - a professional starting QB should never have a QB rating of 0! And to me that is a serious source of concern and is a BIG DEAL

Seriously, the point isn't even that he was not fully prepared (although he is a professional making millions of dollars) because it so happens that he had to "work" on New Years, but he played so pathetically.

You've gotta be kidding me

"The ONLY problem"?!?!

The problems were that (1) Chicago got embarrased going into the playoffs, (2) the NFL is about momentum and a team "peaking at the right time and Chicago is far from that, I'd be a little nervous (if I were a Bears fan) that my (3) starting QB just put up a ZERO QB rating going into the playoffs. (4) The starting QB just admitted to not being prepared.

If you are seriously commending the guy for being "honest" about not being prepared then.......:BANG

[DMBCubs25]

im a bears fan and im not very confident were getting past the 2nd round:shrug

[cbotnyse]

im a bears fan and im not very confident were getting past the 2nd round:shrugbut youre also a Cub fan so you must be used to it. :p

I dont care if Rex didnt give 100% last week, that game is already well forgotten. He just better pull his head out of his ass when it matters.

[Bron Yr Aur]

Who gives a fuck what Rex does from one week to the next...Seems like half of his games have been amazing, half have been beyond awful. Hopefully we get lucky in the playoffs. If Rex is able to pull himself together and play his best, we go to the Super Bowl. If he's playing his worst, we probably won't get past the second round.

[darbini]

The Bears are going to win the superbowl with Rex as their quarterback, and I cannot wait. I believe it will be this year, but we'll see. He can step up to the plate in big games, you doubters will see.

[Tiduwho]

im a bears fan and im not very confident were getting past the 2nd round:shrug


I'm expecting a 2nd round blowout with 3+ TDs from Rex.