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Do you think there is any chance Cavallo is employing tools such as AutoTune into the sessions or is he forcing Dave and the band to take all the takes they need to to sound like a real rock band. Can anyone explain his ethics and style in the studio? I have some of his works with bands, but at the moment most of them are archived on another HD.
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Well, you have to understand that AutoTune is not always a bad thing. There are too many cases out there (Britney Spears) where it is overused and sounds fake, but other times it can be used simply to fix one little phrase.
Let's say Dave is going through a vocal take and really nails it and thought it was the best take he did, but unfortunately he was a little flat in one spot and the part is too complex to punch in and punch out on. Rather then scrap a great take, AutoTune can be used to fix that one spot/ phrase. So will Cavallo use AutoTune on the album? Ya, probably. The majority of music coming out these days has been at least touched by autotune. Is Cavallo going to saturate Dave's vocals with it? No. |
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i always wonder: how does someone learn how to produce an album, use all functions, tools and buttons ? do they go to school or just learn ? I also wonder if there are any relevant producers that can't play instruments.
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it does worry me a bit, actually. I still like Cavallo as a choice for producer, and i don't personally believe that he ever used it in his work with Green Day, but the Fleetwood Mac record that he did sounded way too clean, and The Black Parade is probably questionable (could go either way based on the times i listened to it).
In the end it's all up to the integrity of the band, specifically Dave (as the vocalist). I can't believe that Cavallo would apply that kind of filter/program to the tracks without consulting Dave first, so if there's any autotune then the onus would lie entirely on Dave for that decision. Also, i'm sure that this would hardly be the first time that Dave and the boys would be confronted with that choice. I have no doubt that Baston (and probably other producers that they've worked with post-Lillywhite) have used it in the past, or are at least quite familiar with it, and i'm sure that it's been an option before now in that repect. If you can make one of the best drummers in the world sound like a fucking drum machine, then you are certainly knee deep in that kind of filtering/digital editing technology. So i guess one relevant question would be, was it used on Stand Up at all (in your opinion)? |
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I ask because also one of my favorite DIY artists is Ben Kweller and a couple of his Studio Album are recorded "Live" meaning no fancy mastering or production tools, just tracks from different takes. I think it sounds amazing.
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The term autotune is typically used in reference to the auto program that is used to tune voices and it is also typically used to BE noticed in songs, at least in these times, it wasn't developed as that but thats how its used. You can tune voices/instruments without using actual autotune. For example if Dave did hit one note they would go in specifically and fix that not use autotune. Just thought i would throw that out there. So i highly extremely doubt they'll use autotune as in the electronic voice effect like T.I. is doing a lot now but like you said most likely will adjust the pitch of Dave's voice sometime on the cd. |
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^^^ good article. They can even do that stuff live now, take a listen to some pop bands live and you can hear it. I always hate when they try and hide it cause its so freaking obvious to me.
Actually i listen to a lot of electronica/pop bands and love it when they use it as an effect, however its getting really really too popular these days. |
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MHMF has a lot of it. I think just about every wail on DDTW was autotuned, and most of the falsettos on #41 - there's no way Dave hit every one of those notes. I don't think it sounds bad, it's noticeable, but not bad. It adds a bit of an echo effect though.
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But many times autotune is great when used in a very slight manner. If you've recorded before you understand the concept of bussing, but for everyone else I'll explain a little bit. Take for instance a recording where you have background vocals holding a note to support the main singer. In the mix, those tracks are generally mixed lower and sometimes are hardly there. If you have 5 people singing that background part, you can "buss" all five vocal parts into 1 mono or a stereo track and edit them as a whole. When I've mixed background singers, many times I've thrown auto tune on them because it glues everything together and helps them punch through a busy mix. Again, they are background vocals so it's not a very loud part but it makes them sound better in a supporting way. Having said that, I really do hate autotune when used on main vocals to the point where it sounds fake (And is not being used for artistic purposes) and too perfect. I like little imperfections in vocals because it's realer to me. Also, if I have the option to use autotune to fix a little part vs. having the artist try the take again, I will always try to make them do the take again. So like I said before, autotune will probably be used on the record, but I doubt it will be saturating Daves vocals... |
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Bon Iver overly uses it on the song "Woods" to great effect.
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I don't think autotune is evil or anything. I don't really mind if they use it on a studio record either. If it gets the sound they are going for on the record, then cool, go for it. However, I really hate the idea of using autotune on a live cd, for dave, boyd, or anyone else. It's a live cd. Let the mistakes be charming. |
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^ I agree.
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I think the grittiness of Daves voice adds to the song...Music is human...keep it imperfect.
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This crap is ruining the integrity of music. There's no way to reach the heights of amazing-ness like we've heard of great vocalists in the past by using computers. It is the undoing of talent and substitution of stupidity. The art of singing is how you get to the note and how you hit it; auto-tune, melodyne etc., takes this beautiful work out of the equation. If you agree with the use of auto-tune for pitch correction no matter how little or big, you are apart of the reason why I have lost faith in music past year 2000 or so. If you're okay with a singer being auto-tuned, then maybe you should just listen to a robot singing instead. :mad |
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All i know is that autotuning ruined the radio city album. I found the fan recording to spare my self. Listen to bartender on the dmb website from that album. Whoever is responsible for that ruined that album. It was sloppy and took away from it.
So i think d&T and dmb sounds worse with it. |
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Probably Melodyne not AutoTune. Melodyne corrects vocals, but in a very natural way so as not to get that robotic effect.
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