How many '12 "Pumpkin >Billies" had a "nature" tease?

[coombse]

Its Nature INTRO.... thats all. When I heard it at SPAC I told my wife they're play Billies.... she had to listen to tape to hear it....

[kittensXLI]

Originally Posted by som3d3vil34

I feel this strongly about the Lie In Our Graves "reprise" bullshit. The verse after the jam is part of the song. It is only a reprise if they separate the last verse from the song. If they dont play it at all, they truncated the song.

Bingo...

[Jake]

Originally Posted by ToddJoyride

everyone knows it as the nature intro at this point though, it's just simpler to call it the nature intro IMO

Everyone knows earth day was 4/20.

Except it was 4/21.... Should we keep calling it 4.20 because everyone else does?

Originally Posted by dmbnufan

So, then why do you guys include random riffs as teases but not this one?

Dave does not play chords from Nature prior to Billies. He just plays chords. The two are different

[scott brown]

Originally Posted by dmbnufan

That makes sense. My point is that I think the chords are similar to the actual chords in the song "Nature." Even without lyrics, it still makes sense to me to call it the "Nature" intro. Then again, I can't remember the last time I heard the original "Nature" song or a DMB version with lyrics over the intro.

Either way, it's not a tease, so I think we can at least agree on that.

For every song that starts with an E, should we say "ooh, it's the Allman Brothers Melissa intro!"?

The guitar intro to Billies has nothing to do with the Samples song. The only reason you call it "Nature" is because someone who was wrong started calling it that years ago. You admit yourself that you can't remember the last time you listened to the Samples song. If you had listened recently, you'd realize it sounds nothing like Tripping Billies

[SpotlightEyes]

Originally Posted by Jake

for the millionth time, it's not a nature tease. nature is a song by the Samples. When Dave plays some chords before Billies, it's just chords before billies. when he sings, "Nature, is all around me!", it's a nature tease

Thank you.

Originally Posted by trippingant

Hmm, good point. Might wanna tell that to the guys at the Almanac.

Good luck with that. According to them, Baby Blue and Little Red Bird have never been played live. They're beyond anal to the point of totally inaccurate.

Originally Posted by scott brown

I call it the tripping billies guitar intro. It has nothing to do with The Samples tune

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[ToddJoyride]

Originally Posted by SpotlightEyes

Thank you.



Good luck with that. According to them, Baby Blue and Little Red Bird have never been played live. They're beyond anal to the point of totally inaccurate.



This

having this guy agree with you weakens your points... sorry guys, you're fucked now.

[SpotlightEyes]

Originally Posted by ToddJoyride

having this guy agree with you weakens your points... sorry guys, you're fucked now.

You're a cool person

Don't worry, that won't get reported as a personal attack.

[dmb27364041]

Hmm, never heard "Pumpkin"...is it a new tune or something???

[ToddJoyride]

Originally Posted by SpotlightEyes

You're a cool person

Don't worry, that won't get reported as a personal attack.

the only thing that worries me is how you get through the day.

[BigEyedGooch]

Originally Posted by SpotlightEyes

Thank you.



Good luck with that. According to them, Baby Blue and Little Red Bird have never been played live. They're beyond anal to the point of totally inaccurate.

Out of all the factions of complainers in this fanbase, the anti-almanac'ers are by far the most pedantic and obnoxious.

There has never been a full band LRB (by anyone's standards) and the most full-band effort of Baby Blue did not include Stefan. I really wouldn't consider a song to be a "full band" version if it does not include the core instruments and musicians, especially drums, bass, or guitar.

People who complain about the Almanac and their criteria for song stats are universally butthurt about one of the following: The denial of their lyrical submissions, their special version of Blue Water or #40 not being considered full-band, or the website's refusal to validate the 3 second "Dressed in Black Tease" they swore they heard...Or maybe all the whiners are just on the Tour Central payroll.

[DMBZeppelin]

Originally Posted by BigEyedGooch

Or maybe all the whiners are just on the Tour Central payroll.

Why would people on the tour central payroll whine? They get paid while Jake does most the work. Sounds like a sweet gig to me. Plus as boss Jake gets to wear Tom Landry's hat.

[dancheatham]

Originally Posted by SpotlightEyes

Good luck with that. According to them, Baby Blue and Little Red Bird have never been played live. They're beyond anal to the point of totally inaccurate.

It does not say that anywhere on the site. On the contrary, the site says that Baby Blue has been played 46 times and that Little Red Bird has been played 15 times.

As for the Nature issue, we're well aware that it's totally unrelated to the Samples song, but it's so widely known as the "Nature intro" that there's no point in calling it something else at this point. Here's what we say about it on the song page for Nature:

Dave used to sing some lyrics from "Nature" before Tripping Billies overtop of some chords based around Tripping Billies. For this reason, this intro is known as the "Nature intro" even though it is instrumental now and therefore has no connection to the Samples song.

[SpotlightEyes]

Originally Posted by ToddJoyride

the only thing that worries me is how you get through the day.

Please don't take anything I say too seriously.

Originally Posted by BigEyedGooch

Out of all the factions of complainers in this fanbase, the anti-almanac'ers are by far the most pedantic and obnoxious.

There has never been a full band LRB (by anyone's standards) and the most full-band effort of Baby Blue did not include Stefan. I really wouldn't consider a song to be a "full band" version if it does not include the core instruments and musicians, especially drums, bass, or guitar.

People who complain about the Almanac and their criteria for song stats are universally butthurt about one of the following: The denial of their lyrical submissions, their special version of Blue Water or #40 not being considered full-band, or the website's refusal to validate the 3 second "Dressed in Black Tease" they swore they heard...Or maybe all the whiners are just on the Tour Central payroll.

Overreact, much? Maybe if they changed the wording a little to be less pedantic, but no matter what it just seems silly to me that they list 4 album songs as never having been played by DMB, and 2 of them have been played at many DMB shows. I get the distinction, I just don't agree with it.

Originally Posted by dancheatham

It does not say that anywhere on the site. On the contrary, the site says that Baby Blue has been played 46 times and that Little Red Bird has been played 15 times.

As for the Nature issue, we're well aware that it's totally unrelated to the Samples song, but it's so widely known as the "Nature intro" that there's no point in calling it something else at this point. Here's what we say about it on the song page for Nature:

This guy has spoken...there is NO POINT in calling it anything else.

But as far as I'm concerned, its the intro to Tripping Billies.

[dancheatham]

Okay, I see where you got that from now:

The four songs confirmed finished in the studio but never played live—Dreams of Our Fathers, Trouble With You, Baby Blue, and Little Red Bird (the latter two have been played, but not by DMB)—are not included.

Are you going to argue that LRB has been played by anyone other than Dave solo, Dave & Tim, or Dave & Carter? Is it really "anal to the point of totally inaccurate" in your mind that we don't consider a Dave & Carter performance of a song to be DMB playing the song?

EDIT: Just saw your post above. That makes sense.

[ToddJoyride]

Originally Posted by dancheatham

Okay, I see where you got that from now:


Are you going to argue that LRB has been played by anyone other than Dave solo, Dave & Tim, or Dave & Carter? Is it really "anal to the point of totally inaccurate" in your mind that we don't consider a Dave & Carter performance of a song to be DMB playing the song?

EDIT: Just saw your post above. That makes sense.

baby blue was played by 5/7 though.

EDIT
http://www.dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056792

[jrkarger]

Originally Posted by SpotlightEyes

Good luck with that. According to them, Baby Blue and Little Red Bird have never been played live. They're beyond anal to the point of totally inaccurate.

This is from the almanac's home page discussing the liberation list...

4) Studio songs that were played live are counted no matter what. The four songs confirmed finished in the studio but never played live—Dreams of Our Fathers, Trouble With You, Baby Blue, and Little Red Bird (the latter two have been played, but not by DMB)—are not included.

They acknowledge Baby Blue and LRB have been played but not in a full band setting.

[dancheatham]

Originally Posted by ToddJoyride

baby blue was played by 5/7 though.

EDIT
http://www.dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056792

Aha! When we tweaked the "liberation list" criteria a few months ago, I guess we forgot about that one. Might need to add it back to the list.

[SpotlightEyes]

Originally Posted by jrkarger

This is from the almanac's home page discussing the liberation list...



They acknowledge Baby Blue and LRB have been played but not in a full band setting.

See my above post. And no they don't say "full band setting", they say by DMB.

[jrkarger]

Originally Posted by SpotlightEyes

See my above post. And no they don't say "full band setting", they say by DMB.

Are you saying there is a difference between "full band" and "DMB"?

[Mateo2k]

Originally Posted by jrkarger

Are you saying there is a difference between "full band" and "DMB"?

There's a difference between something being played in a full band setting, and something being played by DMB.

[jrkarger]

Originally Posted by Mateo2k

There's a difference between something being played in a full band setting, and something being played by DMB.

What is the difference? Perhaps I'm the one who is confused

[dancheatham]

Originally Posted by jrkarger

What is the difference? Perhaps I'm the one who is confused

I would say something played in a "full band setting" would be anything played at a DMB show, no matter if it's Dave solo or the whole band.

[Mateo2k]

Originally Posted by dancheatham

I would say something played in a "full band setting" would be anything played at a DMB show, no matter if it's Dave solo or the whole band.

That's how I would interpret it. Dave can play a song solo, in a full band setting, same as Tim can play a song solo in a D&T setting. Doesn't mean the song was played by DMB or D&T.

The key word there is "Setting"

[ToddJoyride]

Originally Posted by dancheatham

Aha! When we tweaked the "liberation list" criteria a few months ago, I guess we forgot about that one. Might need to add it back to the list.

Todd do good.
todd get cookie?

[jrkarger]

Originally Posted by dancheatham

I would say something played in a "full band setting" would be anything played at a DMB show, no matter if it's Dave solo or the whole band.

Originally Posted by Mateo2k

That's how I would interpret it. Dave can play a song solo, in a full band setting, same as Tim can play a song solo in a D&T setting. Doesn't mean the song was played by DMB or D&T.

The key word there is "Setting"

Makes sense. So back to my original statement. Take out the word "setting" and Baby Blue and LRB still have not been played by DMB or Full Band.

[Mateo2k]

Originally Posted by jrkarger

Makes sense. So back to my original statement. Take out the word "setting" and Baby Blue and LRB still have not been played by DMB or Full Band.

Baby Blue had all the DMB members.

Just lacked some of the guests.

[mray10]

Do all members of the band appear on the studio recordings of Baby Blue or Little Red Bird? I honestly don't know.

If they don't, then it does seem silly to assume all members should be present on a live version to call it a "band" version. But there's no real right answer here, the key is to be consistent--the Almanac is certainly that.

[YankeesDMB41]

Originally Posted by Mateo2k

Baby Blue had all the DMB members.

Just lacked some of the guests.

AHHHH SO MANY TECHNICALITIES!!! Wasn't there an offical point when Tim, Rashawn and Jeff stopped being "guest" or "touring members" and became "permanent members" of DMB? or am i crazy?

[SpotlightEyes]

In the end, I just think its silly to have 4 songs listed as "unplayed" by DMB, when 2 of them have.

I know they list it this way just in case they're ever played with more band members joining in....but I just think its silly.