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Old 05-13-2013, 01:11 PM   #631
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No one complained in 2008 when it was Seek Up and Bartender all the time.

OSW saw some complaints, especially towards the end of 2006 since that was basically the only slot it saw in that year...but I always sang it's praises. It's a fantastic opener. Gets the crowd singing, dancing, moving...and you're not missing out on too much of a light show in that song by having it before it's completely dark. It's a great opener.

I once saw Bartender open 4 times in 5 shows. I'll complain. By the 3rd and 4th one it was like the air let out of a balloon to start the show (for me). I still like Bartender and that was years ago, but i still hope i don't have to see it open again any time soon.

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    You have to look at the number of performances though. Last year, the entire big 3 combined was played only 35% of the time.
    I am looking at the total number of performances. About 50% of the total songs played were top 50 songs.

    Also, statistically - 35% allocated to 3 albums is not bad. Again, STATISTICALLY speaking
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    i think that was the point of comparison, who doesn't love a good hunt and then grilling that hunt?



    if not, chris is a va-jay-jay
    I wouldn't call hunting "murdering animals".

    Hunting is hunting. "Murdering animals" is quite a different thing.
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    I wouldn't call hunting "murdering animals".

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    PETA would like to have a word with your description

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    As of right now, I am going to be a SPAC N2 ticket, Day of in the lots, if I decide to go at all.

    They don't really draw me at all anymore.
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    You have to look at the number of performances though. Last year, the entire big 3 combined was played only 35% of the time.
    They have 8 album. Playing 3 of them 35% of the time seems about right.
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    They have 8 album. Playing 3 of them 35% of the time seems about right.
    Don't try introducing logic here... it's unwarranted.
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    but its a better song so thats better for me.

    i dont want to hear a shitty song at a show, especially in a big spot like the opener.
    I still disagree, but even so better song doesn't make it a better opener per se.
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    Old 05-13-2013, 01:40 PM   #639
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    They have 8 album. Playing 3 of them 35% of the time seems about right.
    They actually have 10 albums if you count Some Devil and Remember Two Things. But the big 3 was played 50% of the time in 2008, and that was a much better tour.
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    either way, baseball is still the most boring.
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    no song should be slammed in one spot over and over, but you can much more tolerant to the great songs like bartender and seek up.

    seven and eh hee are horrid and shouldnt be the openers every other fucking show
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    no song should be slammed in one spot over and over, but you can much more tolerant to the great songs like bartender and seek up.

    seven and eh hee are horrid and shouldnt be the openers every other fucking show
    To the bolded, I agree 100% In 2010, I saw Squirm open four straight shows. Now, I won't compare Squirm to Bartender or Seek Up but it is still song that I legitimately enjoy hearing and is one of my favorites off Big Whiskey. By the fourth show, I was praying that Squirm wouldn't open. It doesn't matter what song it is or how good or bad it is, no song should consistently open or close. Same thing applies to Watchtower closing. Great song but having it close every show kind of deflates the experience by knowing it's coming.
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    I am looking at the total number of performances. About 50% of the total songs played were top 50 songs.

    Also, statistically - 35% allocated to 3 albums is not bad. Again, STATISTICALLY speaking
    It was 44% including all four songs tied at #50.

    However, you're completely ignoring the quality of the Big Three songs versus the other stuff, as well as the fact that BWGK still made up the most played album by a wide margin. For example...

    BWGK, Corn Bread, Eh Hee, OOMH - 24% of all songs played

    UTTAD, Crash, BTCS - 35% of all songs played

    That's not good.
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    It was 44% including all four songs tied at #50.

    However, you're completely ignoring the quality of the Big Three songs versus the other stuff, as well as the fact that BWGK still made up the most played album by a wide margin. For example...

    BWGK, Corn Bread, Eh Hee, OOMH - 24% of all songs played

    UTTAD, Crash, BTCS - 35% of all songs played

    That's not good.
    Statistics have nothing to do with quality. 35% of songs are from the "Big 3"... that is a statistically proportionate number.
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    It was 44% including all four songs tied at #50.

    However, you're completely ignoring the quality of the Big Three songs versus the other stuff, as well as the fact that BWGK still made up the most played album by a wide margin. For example...

    BWGK, Corn Bread, Eh Hee, OOMH - 24% of all songs played
    UTTAD, Crash, BTCS - 35% of all songs played

    That's not good.
    This is the startling thing to me. I like BW as an album, but it's just been beaten into our brains at this point. 4 years of it being the album with the most plays. Literally no excuse for that.
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    I made a math mistake and Big Three songs was actually 38% last year. Still pretty bad though.
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    Old 05-13-2013, 03:12 PM   #647
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    Statistics have nothing to do with quality. 35% of songs are from the "Big 3"... that is a statistically proportionate number.

    How is this even an argument? 1/4 of the songs played was one of their worst albums in (BWGGK), and 3 of their worst songs... That's REALLY BAD. Their 3 classic albums, most people will tell you their best 3, got only 35%? That's horrible. I don't know why you think that good. And don't forget, it's usually the same stuff off the big 3 albums. They barely touch on the real gems on those albums. (BOWA, Typical, Stone, Pig, Last Stop, Dreaming Tree, Spoon, Cry Freedom, Say Goodbye, ETC). When a song comes up off the big 3, it's usually a common song. Not a bad one by any means, but one of the common songs thats always played such as Jimi, DDTW, ETC.
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    How is this even an argument? 1/4 of the songs played was one of their worst albums in (BWGGK), and 3 of their worst songs... That's REALLY BAD. Their 3 classic albums, most people will tell you their best 3, got only 35%? That's horrible. I don't know why you think that good. And don't forget, it's usually the same stuff off the big 3 albums. They barely touch on the real gems on those albums. (BOWA, Typical, Stone, Pig, Last Stop, Dreaming Tree, Spoon, Cry Freedom, Say Goodbye, ETC). When a song comes up off the big 3, it's usually a common song. Not a bad one by any means, but one of the common songs thats always played such as Jimi, DDTW, ETC.
    I didn't say it was GOOD... I said it was STATISTICALLY valid. Big difference.
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    I made a math mistake and Big Three songs was actually 38% last year. Still pretty bad though.
    Well now my statistics are all fucked up... clearly they are favoring the Big 3 now!
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    Well now my statistics are all fucked up... clearly they are favoring the Big 3 now!
    Like Zilla said, Big Whiskey and 3 of their worst songs in they're catalog were 28% of they're performances in 2012. You honestly don't see anything wrong with that?
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    Like Zilla said, Big Whiskey and 3 of their worst songs in they're catalog were 28% of they're performances in 2012. You honestly don't see anything wrong with that?
    Well that wasn't my point... but clearly that's not proportionate. At all. But neither is playing 38% of songs from 3 albums that only consist of 24% of the entire catalog (according to zilla's 143 #).

    Yes, I'm a numbers geek. And, yes, I'm clearly just being an asshole.
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    This will be my last post in this thread but it's something to consider. Crash got more plays than BTCS in 1999 the year after it was released, BTCS got more plays than Busted Stuff in 2003 the year after it was released, Crash got more plays than Stand Up in 2006 the year after it was released, and 2012 was the fourth year in a row that Big Whiskey got the most plays. Plus Eh Hee, OOMH, Corn Bread, etc...
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    Theme of this story, Dave freaking <3's Big Whiskey, probably more than his kids
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    For most shows on ticketmaster.com you can click on a map and see exactly which seats haven't been sold yet. I only checked Blossom, the only show I'm going to, and it seems there are only a few seats here and there that haven't been sold. It doesn't say how many lawn tickets are remaining, though.
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    At least 1,000 unsold seats for Charlotte:

    http://concerts.livenation.com/event...:746531:114764
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    Statistics have nothing to do with quality. 35% of songs are from the "Big 3"... that is a statistically proportionate number.
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    I didn't say it was GOOD... I said it was STATISTICALLY valid. Big difference.
    What does proportion have to do with validity?
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    What does proportion have to do with validity?
    Who gives a fuck.
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    The band did a great job marketing Big Whiskey and got a pretty good response from it IMO. They had a blast making it as well, so I don't see them playing less of that album any time soon. Has too much meaning to them.

    They didn't do a whole lot to promote AFTW and I don't think it really had as much of an impact on the casual fan, which could be a reason for the decline in ticket sales for the fall tour.

    They are not as popular as the early 2000s, not even close, but I think they got a lot more new fans from Big Whiskey than they did from AFTW. This summer tour should be interesting.
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    How is this even an argument? 1/4 of the songs played was one of their worst albums in (BWGGK), and 3 of their worst songs... That's REALLY BAD. Their 3 classic albums, most people will tell you their best 3, got only 35%? That's horrible. I don't know why you think that good. And don't forget, it's usually the same stuff off the big 3 albums. They barely touch on the real gems on those albums. (BOWA, Typical, Stone, Pig, Last Stop, Dreaming Tree, Spoon, Cry Freedom, Say Goodbye, ETC). When a song comes up off the big 3, it's usually a common song. Not a bad one by any means, but one of the common songs thats always played such as Jimi, DDTW, ETC.
    These points are all valid. The frustrating thing about this mode of thinking is Dave does NOT think this is horrible. As mentioned above, he loves the hell out of BW, particularly Seven, Shake Me, and You and Me. He also loves Cornbread and Eh Hee. So when he puts those songs in a set, he doesn't think he's shitting on the crowd. What's more frustrating is the fact that, unlike the superior parts of his catalogue, he doesn't seem to ever tire of those songs.
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