Go Back   Antsmarching.org Forums > General Discussion > The 24um


Want to hide all ads on Ants? Click here
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-05-2013, 08:01 PM   #1
SqueeBaBooSquee
Onward and Upward
 
SqueeBaBooSquee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Home of the bacon wrapped filet mignon
Posts: 30,140

Shows Seen: 0
Send a message via MSN to SqueeBaBooSquee

Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

Thought this was interesting. I'm sure we'll be hearing a lot about it soon.

http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/.../#.UnmREhCKIQk

This video explains it well: http://www.space.com/22035-will-come...rth-video.html

It will be closest to the Earth December 26th but will pass at a safe distance.

However we may pass through it's dust years later.
SqueeBaBooSquee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2013, 08:02 PM   #2
SqueeBaBooSquee
Onward and Upward
 
SqueeBaBooSquee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Home of the bacon wrapped filet mignon
Posts: 30,140

Shows Seen: 0
Send a message via MSN to SqueeBaBooSquee

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and will be heading toward Earth on Thanksgiv

will be will be willbur
SqueeBaBooSquee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2013, 08:18 PM   #3
Arby
Threader
 
Arby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 69,317

Shows Seen: 24

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

It came upon a midnight clear
__________________
Arby

Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyMadonna68 View Post

arby, everything you say is lol guy worthy
Arby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2013, 08:20 PM   #4
whygohome?
LosingAWholeYear
 
whygohome?'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: the outskirts of town
Posts: 26,569

Shows Seen: 9

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

That's pretty cool, i love this kind of stuff thanks squee
__________________
The story of life is quicker than the wink of an eye
The story of love is hello and goodbye
Until we meet again...
whygohome? is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2013, 08:28 PM   #5
dmbfan1011
Ohh Wayy Yahh
 
dmbfan1011's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Auburn, AL
Posts: 3,893

Shows Seen: 12

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

Great stuff! Will be watching
__________________
My Shows - My Almanac
DMB 14: Pelham 5/23, Atlanta 5/24
-Nick
dmbfan1011 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2013, 08:33 PM   #6
Tiduwho
heh heh heh
 
Tiduwho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 42,630

Shows Seen: 0
Send a message via MSN to Tiduwho

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

Bring it...
__________________

"And later I talk to former Presidential candidate Gary Hart and tell him how more Democrats should follow his example -- and leave politics."

- Stephen Colbert
Tiduwho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2013, 08:53 PM   #7
SqueeBaBooSquee
Onward and Upward
 
SqueeBaBooSquee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Home of the bacon wrapped filet mignon
Posts: 30,140

Shows Seen: 0
Send a message via MSN to SqueeBaBooSquee

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

We may need to call in Mr. Willis.
SqueeBaBooSquee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2013, 09:03 PM   #8
scrock25
 
scrock25's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 37,262

Shows Seen: 22

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

That's pretty cool, i love this kind of stuff thanks squee
scrock25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2013, 09:09 PM   #9
mr.MikeD
Heisenberg says "relax"
 
mr.MikeD's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 6,760

Shows Seen: 1

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

You missed it, thanksgiving has come and gone
mr.MikeD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2013, 10:43 PM   #10
recentlyJTR41
2013 SEC Champions
 
recentlyJTR41's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Home - Albany, Ga School - Kennesaw, Ga
Posts: 15,158

Shows Seen: 10

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

I'm thankful it won't hit us, amirite???

I'll be here all week folks
__________________
"Rock and roll - on a certain level - is a bunch of bullshit, but music is not. Music is the realest thing in the world to me" - Trey Anastasio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GKmkD1pUG0
recentlyJTR41 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2013, 10:45 PM   #11
SqueeBaBooSquee
Onward and Upward
 
SqueeBaBooSquee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Home of the bacon wrapped filet mignon
Posts: 30,140

Shows Seen: 0
Send a message via MSN to SqueeBaBooSquee

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

Quote:
Originally Posted by mr.MikeD View Post
You missed it, thanksgiving has come and gone
I don't get it... Did we just go through a blackhole or something?

Quote:
Originally Posted by recentlyJTR41 View Post
I'm thankful it won't hit us, amirite???

I'll be here all week folks
Oh boy...
SqueeBaBooSquee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2013, 11:30 PM   #12
efraser77
026 | Grux Abides
 
efraser77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: A Humboldt Monkey sitting up in my tree
Posts: 36,024

Shows Seen: 41

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

Quote:
Originally Posted by SqueeBaBooSquee View Post
I don't get it... Did we just go through a blackhole or something?
He lives in Canadia.
__________________
Fools are we, if hate's the gate to peace.
efraser77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2013, 11:30 PM   #13
neumdogg
Helloooooooooo Neumdogg
 
neumdogg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 23,150

Shows Seen: 52
Send a message via AIM to neumdogg

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

Quote:
Originally Posted by mr.MikeD View Post
You missed it, thanksgiving has come and gone
Canadian Thanksgiving?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by trippinbilli40 View Post
Yeah I work at walmart. And probably make more money than u do. Lead associate in the toy department. $13 an hour.
neumdogg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2013, 07:08 AM   #14
Funkhouser
Press Press Baby
 
Funkhouser's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 9,099

Shows Seen: 32

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

That's pretty cool, i love this kind of stuff thanks squee
Funkhouser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2013, 10:26 AM   #15
scrock25
 
scrock25's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 37,262

Shows Seen: 22

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

That's pretty cool, i love this kind of stuff thanks squee
scrock25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2013, 11:34 AM   #16
Rebecca De Mornay
 
Rebecca De Mornay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 55,014

Shows Seen: 39

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

Who the hell names these comets? ISON? Are you kidding me?

In any event, I too am glad it's not going to hit us, praise hosanna for that.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by defcon View Post
We finally ended up at Dennys at 3am....
Rebecca De Mornay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2013, 11:41 AM   #17
whygohome?
LosingAWholeYear
 
whygohome?'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: the outskirts of town
Posts: 26,569

Shows Seen: 9

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumlax15 View Post
That's pretty cool, i love this kind of stuff thanks squee
Hey...you said the same thing as me! What a jokester
__________________
The story of life is quicker than the wink of an eye
The story of love is hello and goodbye
Until we meet again...
whygohome? is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2013, 12:03 PM   #18
Funkhouser
Press Press Baby
 
Funkhouser's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 9,099

Shows Seen: 32

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

That's pretty cool, i love this kind of stuff thanks squee
Funkhouser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2013, 12:15 PM   #19
scrock25
 
scrock25's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 37,262

Shows Seen: 22

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

Quote:
Originally Posted by whygohome? View Post
That's pretty cool, i love this kind of stuff thanks squee
Quote:
Originally Posted by scrock25 View Post
That's pretty cool, i love this kind of stuff thanks squee
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumlax15 View Post
That's pretty cool, i love this kind of stuff thanks squee
Quote:
Originally Posted by scrock25 View Post
That's pretty cool, i love this kind of stuff thanks squee
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumlax15 View Post
That's pretty cool, i love this kind of stuff thanks squee
scrock25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2013, 04:10 PM   #20
SqueeBaBooSquee
Onward and Upward
 
SqueeBaBooSquee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Home of the bacon wrapped filet mignon
Posts: 30,140

Shows Seen: 0
Send a message via MSN to SqueeBaBooSquee

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

There's a whole lot of 2/10 going on in here.

Let's get back to Bruce Willis discussion.
SqueeBaBooSquee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2013, 01:57 AM   #21
SqueeBaBooSquee
Onward and Upward
 
SqueeBaBooSquee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Home of the bacon wrapped filet mignon
Posts: 30,140

Shows Seen: 0
Send a message via MSN to SqueeBaBooSquee

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

It has turned folks.

It is on its way.

We are all doomed unless...

Bruce Willis...
SqueeBaBooSquee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2013, 01:59 AM   #22
K270
Hello my baby!!!!
 
K270's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: San Mateo, CA.
Posts: 4,262

Shows Seen: 26

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

Quote:
Originally Posted by SqueeBaBooSquee View Post
It has turned folks.

It is on its way.

We are all doomed unless...

Bruce Willis...


I heard it was lost by Astronomers and is believed to have been destroyed by the heat of the sun and gravitational pull of the sun.
__________________
~Kevin~
People would complain even if you hang them with a new rope.
K270 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2013, 01:59 AM   #23
daveshookme
#34
 
daveshookme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Mind - Godric's Hollow; Body - Albany, NY
Posts: 28,327

Shows Seen: 32

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

Quote:
Originally Posted by SqueeBaBooSquee View Post
It has turned folks.

It is on its way.
That's pretty cool, i love this kind of stuff thanks squee
__________________
1.15.14 | SPAC '14 x2 | Gorge x3
Gorge FAQ

#BeltMelt2k14
daveshookme is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2013, 02:03 AM   #24
Funkhouser
Press Press Baby
 
Funkhouser's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 9,099

Shows Seen: 32

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

That's pretty cool, i love this kind of stuff thanks squee
Funkhouser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2013, 02:06 AM   #25
SqueeBaBooSquee
Onward and Upward
 
SqueeBaBooSquee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Home of the bacon wrapped filet mignon
Posts: 30,140

Shows Seen: 0
Send a message via MSN to SqueeBaBooSquee

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

That's pretty cool, i love this kind of stuff thanks squee
SqueeBaBooSquee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2013, 03:08 AM   #26
whygohome?
LosingAWholeYear
 
whygohome?'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: the outskirts of town
Posts: 26,569

Shows Seen: 9

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

Most of us associate the holiday with happy Pilgrims and Indians sitting down to a big feast. And that did happen - once.

The story began in 1614 when a band of English explorers sailed home to England with a ship full of Patuxet Indians bound for slavery. They left behind smallpox which virtually wiped out those who had escaped. By the time the Pilgrims arrived in Massachusetts Bay they found only one living Patuxet Indian, a man named Squanto who had survived slavery in England and knew their language. He taught them to grow corn and to fish, and negotiated a peace treaty between the Pilgrims and the Wampanoag Nation. At the end of their first year, the Pilgrims held a great feast honoring Squanto and the Wampanoags.

But as word spread in England about the paradise to be found in the new world, religious zealots called Puritans began arriving by the boat load. Finding no fences around the land, they considered it to be in the public domain. Joined by other British settlers, they seized land, capturing strong young Natives for slaves and killing the rest. But the Pequot Nation had not agreed to the peace treaty Squanto had negotiated and they fought back. The Pequot War was one of the bloodiest Indian wars ever fought.

In 1637 near present day Groton, Connecticut, over 700 men, women and children of the Pequot Tribe had gathered for their annual Green Corn Festival which is our Thanksgiving celebration. In the predawn hours the sleeping Indians were surrounded by English and Dutch mercenaries who ordered them to come outside. Those who came out were shot or clubbed to death while the terrified women and children who huddled inside the longhouse were burned alive. The next day the governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony declared "A Day Of Thanksgiving" because 700 unarmed men, women and children had been murdered.

Cheered by their "victory", the brave colonists and their Indian allies attacked village after village. Women and children over 14 were sold into slavery while the rest were murdered. Boats loaded with a many as 500 slaves regularly left the ports of New England. Bounties were paid for Indian scalps to encourage as many deaths as possible.

Following an especially successful raid against the Pequot in what is now Stamford, Connecticut, the churches announced a second day of "thanksgiving" to celebrate victory over the heathen savages. During the feasting, the hacked off heads of Natives were kicked through the streets like soccer balls. Even the friendly Wampanoag did not escape the madness. Their chief was beheaded, and his head impaled on a pole in Plymouth, Massachusetts -- where it remained on display for 24 years.

The killings became more and more frenzied, with days of thanksgiving feasts being held after each successful massacre. George Washington finally suggested that only one day of Thanksgiving per year be set aside instead of celebrating each and every massacre. Later Abraham Lincoln decreed Thanksgiving Day to be a legal national holiday during the Civil War -- on the same day he ordered troops to march against the starving Sioux in Minnesota.

This story doesn't have quite the same fuzzy feelings associated with it as the one where the Indians and Pilgrims are all sitting down together at the big feast. But we need to learn our true history so it won't ever be repeated. Next Thanksgiving, when you gather with your loved ones to Thank God for all your blessings, think about those people who only wanted to live their lives and raise their families. They, also took time out to say "thank you" to Creator for all their blessings.

Our Thanks to Hill & Holler Column by Susan Bates susanbates@webtv.net

More About Thanksgiving...

INTRODUCTION FOR TEACHERS
By Chuck Larsen

This is a particularly difficult introduction to write. I have been a public schools teacher for twelve years, and I am also a historian and have written several books on American and Native American history. I also just happen to be Quebeque French, Metis, Ojibwa, and Iroquois. Because my Indian ancestors were on both sides of the struggle between the Puritans and the New England Indians and I am well versed in my cultural heritage and history both as an Anishnabeg (Algokin) and Hodenosione (Iroquois), it was felt that I could bring a unique insight to the project.

For an Indian, who is also a school teacher, Thanksgiving was never an easy holiday for me to deal with in class. I sometimes have felt like I learned too much about "the Pilgrims and the Indians." Every year I have been faced with the professional and moral dilemma of just how to be honest and informative with my children at Thanksgiving without passing on historical distortions, and racial and cultural stereotypes.

The problem is that part of what you and I learned in our own childhood about the "Pilgrims" and "Squanto" and the "First Thanksgiving" is a mixture of both history and myth. But the THEME of Thanksgiving has truth and integrity far above and beyond what we and our forebearers have made of it. Thanksgiving is a bigger concept than just the story of the founding of the Plymouth Plantation.

So what do we teach to our children? We usually pass on unquestioned what we all received in our own childhood classrooms. I have come to know both the truths and the myths about our "First Thanksgiving," and I feel we need to try to reach beyond the myths to some degree of historic truth. This text is an attempt to do this.

At this point you are probably asking, "What is the big deal about Thanksgiving and the Pilgrims?" "What does this guy mean by a mixture of truths and myth?" That is just what this introduction is all about. I propose that there may be a good deal that many of us do not know about our Thanksgiving holiday and also about the "First Thanksgiving" story. I also propose that what most of us have learned about the Pilgrims and the Indians who were at the first Thanksgiving at Plymouth Plantation is only part of the truth. When you build a lesson on only half of the information, then you are not teaching the whole truth. That is why I used the word myth. So where do you start to find out more about the holiday and our modern stories about how it began?

A good place to start is with a very important book, "The Invasion of America," by Francis Jennings. It is a very authoritative text on the settlement of New England and the evolution of Indian/White relations in the New England colonies. I also recommend looking up any good text on British history. Check out the British Civil War of 1621-1642, Oliver Cromwell, and the Puritan uprising of 1653 which ended parliamentary government in England until 1660. The history of the Puritan experience in New England really should not be separated from the history of the Puritan experience in England. You should also realize that the "Pilgrims" were a sub sect, or splinter group, of the Puritan movement. They came to America to achieve on this continent what their Puritan bretheran continued to strive for in England; and when the Puritans were forced from England, they came to New England and soon absorbed the original "Pilgrims."

As the editor, I have read all the texts listed in our bibliography, and many more, in preparing this material for you. I want you to read some of these books. So let me use my editorial license to deliberately provoke you a little. When comparing the events stirred on by the Puritans in England with accounts of Puritan/Pilgrim activities in New England in the same era, several provocative things suggest themselves:

1. The Puritans were not just simple religious conservatives persecuted by the King and the Church of England for their unorthodox beliefs. They were political revolutionaries who not only intended to overthrow the government of England, but who actually did so in 1649.

2. The Puritan "Pilgrims" who came to New England were not simply refugees who decided to "put their fate in God's hands" in the "empty wilderness" of North America, as a generation of Hollywood movies taught us. In any culture at any time, settlers on a frontier are most often outcasts and fugitives who, in some way or other, do not fit into the mainstream of their society. This is not to imply that people who settle on frontiers have no redeeming qualities such as bravery, etc., but that the images of nobility that we associate with the Puritans are at least in part the good "P.R." efforts of later writers who have romanticized them.(1) It is also very plausible that this unnaturally noble image of the Puritans is all wrapped up with the mythology of "Noble Civilization" vs. "Savagery."(2) At any rate, mainstream Englishmen considered the Pilgrims to be deliberate religious dropouts who intended to found a new nation completely independent from non-Puritan England. In 1643 the Puritan/Pilgrims declared themselves an independent confederacy, one hundred and forty-three years before the American Revolution. They believed in the imminent occurrence of Armegeddon in Europe and hoped to establish here in the new world the "Kingdom of God" foretold in the book of Revelation. They diverged from their Puritan brethren who remained in England only in that they held little real hope of ever being able to successfully overthrow the King and Parliament and, thereby, impose their "Rule of Saints" (strict Puritan orthodoxy) on the rest of the British people. So they came to America not just in one ship (the Mayflower) but in a hundred others as well, with every intention of taking the land away from its native people to build their prophesied "Holy Kingdom."(3)

3. The Pilgrims were not just innocent refugees from religious persecution. They were victims of bigotry in England, but some of them were themselves religious bigots by our modern standards. The Puritans and the Pilgrims saw themselves as the "Chosen Elect" mentioned in the book of Revelation. They strove to "purify" first themselves and then everyone else of everything they did not accept in their own interpretation of scripture. Later New England Puritans used any means, including deceptions, treachery, torture, war, and genocide to achieve that end.(4) They saw themselves as fighting a holy war against Satan, and everyone who disagreed with them was the enemy. This rigid fundamentalism was transmitted to America by the Plymouth colonists, and it sheds a very different light on the "Pilgrim" image we have of them. This is best illustrated in the written text of the Thanksgiving sermon delivered at Plymouth in 1623 by "Mather the Elder." In it, Mather the Elder gave special thanks to God for the devastating plague of smallpox which wiped out the majority of the Wampanoag Indians who had been their benefactors. He praised God for destroying "chiefly young men and children, the very seeds of increase, thus clearing the forests to make way for a better growth", i.e., the Pilgrims.(5) In as much as these Indians were the Pilgrim's benefactors, and Squanto, in particular, was the instrument of their salvation that first year, how are we to interpret this apparent callousness towards their misfortune?

4. The Wampanoag Indians were not the "friendly savages" some of us were told about when we were in the primary grades. Nor were they invited out of the goodness of the Pilgrims' hearts to share the fruits of the Pilgrims' harvest in a demonstration of Christian charity and interracial brotherhood. The Wampanoag were members of a widespread confederacy of Algonkian-speaking peoples known as the League of the Delaware. For six hundred years they had been defending themselves from my other ancestors, the Iroquois, and for the last hundred years they had also had encounters with European fishermen and explorers but especially with European slavers, who had been raiding their coastal villages.(6) They knew something of the power of the white people, and they did not fully trust them. But their religion taught that they were to give charity to the helpless and hospitality to anyone who came to them with empty hands.(7) Also, Squanto, the Indian hero of the Thanksgiving story, had a very real love for a British explorer named John Weymouth, who had become a second father to him several years before the Pilgrims arrived at Plymouth. Clearly, Squanto saw these Pilgrims as Weymouth's people.(8) To the Pilgrims the Indians were heathens and, therefore, the natural instruments of the Devil. Squanto, as the only educated and baptized Christian among the Wampanoag, was seen as merely an instrument of God, set in the wilderness to provide for the survival of His chosen people, the Pilgrims. The Indians were comparatively powerful and, therefore, dangerous; and they were to be courted until the next ships arrived with more Pilgrim colonists and the balance of power shifted. The Wampanoag were actually invited to that Thanksgiving feast for the purpose of negotiating a treaty that would secure the lands of the Plymouth Plantation for the Pilgrims. It should also be noted that the INDIANS, possibly out of a sense of charity toward their hosts, ended up bringing the majority of the food for the feast.(9)

5. A generation later, after the balance of power had indeed shifted, the Indian and White children of that Thanksgiving were striving to kill each other in the genocidal conflict known as King Philip's War. At the end of that conflict most of the New England Indians were either exterminated or refugees among the French in Canada, or they were sold into slavery in the Carolinas by the Puritans. So successful was this early trade in Indian slaves that several Puritan ship owners in Boston began the practice of raiding the Ivory Coast of Africa for black slaves to sell to the proprietary colonies of the South, thus founding the American-based slave trade.(10)

Obviously there is a lot more to the story of Indian/Puritan relations in New England than in the thanksgiving stories we heard as children. Our contemporary mix of myth and history about the "First" Thanksgiving at Plymouth developed in the 1890s and early 1900s. Our country was desperately trying to pull together its many diverse peoples into a common national identity. To many writers and educators at the end of the last century and the beginning of this one, this also meant having a common national history. This was the era of the "melting pot" theory of social progress, and public education was a major tool for social unity. It was with this in mind that the federal government declared the last Thursday in November as the legal holiday of Thanksgiving in 1898.

In consequence, what started as an inspirational bit of New England folklore, soon grew into the full-fledged American Thanksgiving we now know. It emerged complete with stereotyped Indians and stereotyped Whites, incomplete history, and a mythical significance as our "First Thanksgiving." But was it really our FIRST American Thanksgiving?

Now that I have deliberately provoked you with some new information and different opinions, please take the time to read some of the texts in our bibliography. I want to encourage you to read further and form your own opinions. There really is a TRUE Thanksgiving story of Plymouth Plantation. But I strongly suggest that there always has been a Thanksgiving story of some kind or other for as long as there have been human beings. There was also a "First" Thanksgiving in America, but it was celebrated thirty thousand years ago.(11) At some time during the New Stone Age (beginning about ten thousand years ago) Thanksgiving became associated with giving thanks to God for the harvests of the land. Thanksgiving has always been a time of people coming together, so thanks has also been offered for that gift of fellowship between us all. Every last Thursday in November we now partake in one of the OLDEST and most UNIVERSAL of human celebrations, and THERE ARE MANY THANKSGIVING STORIES TO TELL.

As for Thanksgiving week at Plymouth Plantation in 1621, the friendship was guarded and not always sincere, and the peace was very soon abused. But for three days in New England's history, peace and friendship were there.

So here is a story for your children. It is as kind and gentle a balance of historic truth and positive inspiration as its writers and this editor can make it out to be. I hope it will adequately serve its purpose both for you and your students, and I also hope this work will encourage you to look both deeper and farther, for Thanksgiving is Thanksgiving all around the world.

Chuck Larsen Tacoma Public Schools September, 1986

FOOTNOTES FOR TEACHER INTRODUCTION
(1) See Berkhofer, Jr., R.F., "The White Man's Indian," references to Puritans, pp. 27, 80-85, 90, 104, & 130.

(2) See Berkhofer, Jr., R.F., "The White Man's Indian," references to frontier concepts of savagery in index. Also see Jennings, Francis, "The Invasion of America," the myth of savagery, pp. 6-12, 15-16, & 109-110.

(3) See Blitzer, Charles, "Age of Kings," Great Ages of Man series, references to Puritanism, pp. 141, 144 & 145-46. Also see Jennings, Francis, "The Invasion of America," references to Puritan human motives, pp. 4-6, 43- 44 and 53.

(4) See "Chronicles of American Indian Protest," pp. 6-10. Also see Armstrong, Virginia I., "I Have Spoken," reference to Cannonchet and his village, p. 6. Also see Jennings, Francis, "The Invasion of America," Chapter 9 "Savage War," Chapter 13 "We must Burn Them," and Chapter 17 "Outrage Bloody and Barbarous."

(5) See "Chronicles of American Indian Protest," pp. 6-9. Also see Berkhofer, Jr., R.F., "The White Man's Indian," the comments of Cotton Mather, pp. 37 & 82-83.

(6) See Larsen, Charles M., "The Real Thanksgiving," pp. 3-4. Also see Graff, Steward and Polly Ann, "Squanto, Indian Adventurer." Also see "Handbook of North American Indians," Vol. 15, the reference to Squanto on p. 82.

(7) See Benton-Banai, Edward, "The Mishomis Book," as a reference on general "Anishinabe" (the Algonkin speaking peoples) religious beliefs and practices. Also see Larsen, Charles M., "The Real Thanksgiving," reference to religious life on p. 1.

(8) See Graff, Stewart and Polly Ann, "Squanto, Indian Adventurer." Also see Larsen, Charles M., "The Real Thanksgiving." Also see Bradford, Sir William, "Of Plymouth Plantation," and "Mourt's Relation."

(9) See Larsen, Charles M., "The Real Thanksgiving," the letter of Edward Winslow dated 1622, pp. 5-6.

(10) See "Handbook of North American Indians," Vol. 15, pp. 177-78. Also see "Chronicles of American Indian Protest," p. 9, the reference to the enslavement of King Philip's family. Also see Larsen, Charles, M., "The Real Thanksgiving," pp. 8-11, "Destruction of the Massachusetts Indians."

(11) Best current estimate of the first entry of people into the Americas confirmed by archaeological evidence that is datable.

THE PLYMOUTH THANKSGIVING STORY
By Chuck Larsen

When the Pilgrims crossed the Atlantic Ocean in 1620, they landed on the rocky shores of a territory that was inhabited by the Wampanoag (Wam pa NO ag) Indians. The Wampanoags were part of the Algonkian-speaking peoples, a large group that was part of the Woodland Culture area. These Indians lived in villages along the coast of what is now Massachusetts and Rhode Island. They lived in round- roofed houses called wigwams. These were made of poles covered with flat sheets of elm or birch bark. Wigwams differ in construction from tipis that were used by Indians of the Great Plains.

The Wampanoags moved several times during each year in order to get food. In the spring they would fish in the rivers for salmon and herring. In the planting season they moved to the forest to hunt deer and other animals. After the end of the hunting season people moved inland where there was greater protection from the weather. From December to April they lived on food that they stored during the earlier months.

The basic dress for men was the breech clout, a length of deerskin looped over a belt in back and in front. Women wore deerskin wrap-around skirts. Deerskin leggings and fur capes made from deer, beaver, otter, and bear skins gave protection during the colder seasons, and deerskin moccasins were worn on the feet. Both men and women usually braided their hair and a single feather was often worn in the back of the hair by men. They did not have the large feathered headdresses worn by people in the Plains Culture area.

There were two language groups of Indians in New England at this time. The Iroquois were neighbors to the Algonkian-speaking people. Leaders of the Algonquin and Iroquois people were called "sachems" (SAY chems). Each village had its own sachem and tribal council. Political power flowed upward from the people. Any individual, man or woman, could participate, but among the Algonquins more political power was held by men. Among the Iroquois, however, women held the deciding vote in the final selection of who would represent the group. Both men and women enforced the laws of the village and helped solve problems. The details of their democratic system were so impressive that about 150 years later Benjamin Franklin invited the Iroquois to Albany, New York, to explain their system to a delegation who then developed the "Albany Plan of Union." This document later served as a model for the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution of the United States.

These Indians of the Eastern Woodlands called the turtle, the deer and the fish their brothers. They respected the forest and everything in it as equals. Whenever a hunter made a kill, he was careful to leave behind some bones or meat as a spiritual offering, to help other animals survive. Not to do so would be considered greedy. The Wampanoags also treated each other with respect. Any visitor to a Wampanoag home was provided with a share of whatever food the family had, even if the supply was low. This same courtesy was extended to the Pilgrims when they met.

We can only guess what the Wampanoags must have thought when they first saw the strange ships of the Pilgrims arriving on their shores. But their custom was to help visitors, and they treated the newcomers with courtesy. It was mainly because of their kindness that the Pilgrims survived at all. The wheat the Pilgrims had brought with them to plant would not grow in the rocky soil. They needed to learn new ways for a new world, and the man who came to help them was called "Tisquantum" (Tis SKWAN tum) or "Squanto" (SKWAN toe).

Squanto was originally from the village of Patuxet (Pa TUK et) and a member of the Pokanokit Wampanoag nation. Patuxet once stood on the exact site where the Pilgrims built Plymouth. In 1605, fifteen years before the Pilgrims came, Squanto went to England with a friendly English explorer named John Weymouth. He had many adventures and learned to speak English. Squanto came back to New England with Captain Weymouth. Later Squanto was captured by a British slaver who raided the village and sold Squanto to the Spanish in the Caribbean Islands. A Spanish Franciscan priest befriended Squanto and helped him to get to Spain and later on a ship to England. Squanto then found Captain Weymouth, who paid his way back to his homeland. In England Squanto met Samoset of the Wabanake (Wab NAH key) Tribe, who had also left his native home with an English explorer. They both returned together to Patuxet in 1620. When they arrived, the village was deserted and there were skeletons everywhere. Everyone in the village had died from an illness the English slavers had left behind. Squanto and Samoset went to stay with a neighboring village of Wampanoags.

One year later, in the spring, Squanto and Samoset were hunting along the beach near Patuxet. They were startled to see people from England in their deserted village. For several days, they stayed nearby observing the newcomers. Finally they decided to approach them. Samoset walked into the village and said "welcome," Squanto soon joined him. The Pilgrims were very surprised to meet two Indians who spoke English.

The Pilgrims were not in good condition. They were living in dirt-covered shelters, there was a shortage of food, and nearly half of them had died during the winter. They obviously needed help and the two men were a welcome sight. Squanto, who probably knew more English than any other Indian in North America at that time, decided to stay with the Pilgrims for the next few months and teach them how to survive in this new place. He brought them deer meat and beaver skins. He taught them how to cultivate corn and other new vegetables and how to build Indian-style houses. He pointed out poisonous plants and showed how other plants could be used as medicine. He explained how to dig and cook clams, how to get sap from the maple trees, use fish for fertilizer, and dozens of other skills needed for their survival.

By the time fall arrived things were going much better for the Pilgrims, thanks to the help they had received. The corn they planted had grown well. There was enough food to last the winter. They were living comfortably in their Indian-style wigwams and had also managed to build one European-style building out of squared logs. This was their church. They were now in better health, and they knew more about surviving in this new land. The Pilgrims decided to have a thanksgiving feast to celebrate their good fortune. They had observed thanksgiving feasts in November as religious obligations in England for many years before coming to the New World.

The Algonkian tribes held six thanksgiving festivals during the year. The beginning of the Algonkian year was marked by the Maple Dance which gave thanks to the Creator for the maple tree and its syrup. This ceremony occurred when the weather was warm enough for the sap to run in the maple trees, sometimes as early as February. Second was the planting feast, where the seeds were blessed. The strawberry festival was next, celebrating the first fruits of the season. Summer brought the green corn festival to give thanks for the ripening corn. In late fall, the harvest festival gave thanks for the food they had grown. Mid-winter was the last ceremony of the old year. When the Indians sat down to the "first Thanksgiving" with the Pilgrims, it was really the fifth thanksgiving of the year for them!

Captain Miles Standish, the leader of the Pilgrims, invited Squanto, Samoset, Massasoit (the leader of the Wampanoags), and their immediate families to join them for a celebration, but they had no idea how big Indian families could be. As the Thanksgiving feast began, the Pilgrims were overwhelmed at the large turnout of ninety relatives that Squanto and Samoset brought with them. The Pilgrims were not prepared to feed a gathering of people that large for three days. Seeing this, Massasoit gave orders to his men within the first hour of his arrival to go home and get more food. Thus it happened that the Indians supplied the majority of the food: Five deer, many wild turkeys, fish, beans, squash, corn soup, corn bread, and berries. Captain Standish sat at one end of a long table and the Clan Chief Massasoit sat at the other end. For the first time the Wampanoag people were sitting at a table to eat instead of on mats or furs spread on the ground. The Indian women sat together with the Indian men to eat. The Pilgrim women, however, stood quietly behind the table and waited until after their men had eaten, since that was their custom.

For three days the Wampanoags feasted with the Pilgrims. It was a special time of friendship between two very different groups of people. A peace and friendship agreement was made between Massasoit and Miles Standish giving the Pilgrims the clearing in the forest where the old Patuxet village once stood to build their new town of Plymouth.

It would be very good to say that this friendship lasted a long time; but, unfortunately, that was not to be. More English people came to America, and they were not in need of help from the Indians as were the original Pilgrims. Many of the newcomers forgot the help the Indians had given them. Mistrust started to grow and the friendship weakened. The Pilgrims started telling their Indian neighbors that their Indian religion and Indian customs were wrong. The Pilgrims displayed an intolerance toward the Indian religion similar to the intolerance displayed toward the less popular religions in Europe. The relationship deteriorated and within a few years the children of the people who ate together at the first Thanksgiving were killing one another in what came to be called King Phillip's War.

It is sad to think that this happened, but it is important to understand all of the story and not just the happy part. Today the town of Plymouth Rock has a Thanksgiving ceremony each year in remembrance of the first Thanksgiving. There are still Wampanoag people living in Massachusetts. In 1970, they asked one of them to speak at the ceremony to mark the 350th anniversary of the Pilgrim's arrival. Here is part of what was said:

"Today is a time of celebrating for you -- a time of looking back to the first days of white people in America. But it is not a time of celebrating for me. It is with a heavy heart that I look back upon what happened to my People. When the Pilgrims arrived, we, the Wampanoags, welcomed them with open arms, little knowing that it was the beginning of the end. That before 50 years were to pass, the Wampanoag would no longer be a tribe. That we and other Indians living near the settlers would be killed by their guns or dead from diseases that we caught from them. Let us always remember, the Indian is and was just as human as the white people.

Although our way of life is almost gone, we, the Wampanoags, still walk the lands of Massachusetts. What has happened cannot be changed. But today we work toward a better America, a more Indian America where people and nature once again are important. That's pretty cool, I love this kind of stuff thanks squee.
__________________
The story of life is quicker than the wink of an eye
The story of love is hello and goodbye
Until we meet again...

Last edited by whygohome?; 11-29-2013 at 03:09 AM.
whygohome? is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2013, 03:12 AM   #27
whygohome?
LosingAWholeYear
 
whygohome?'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: the outskirts of town
Posts: 26,569

Shows Seen: 9

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

It has been two months since I have found out about Cracky-chan's AIM sn. Don't ask me how I did that, some things are better left untold. Anyway, we got in contact, or rather: I contacted her and she responded. I tried to be all cool and hurrhurr-in-cheek with her (if you know what I mean) but of course she saw through my act from the start.
You can fool every other idiot on /b/ but you cannot fool Cracky-chan, especially not when face to face (or should I say: P2P?). I am sure in the few days that we were chatting for hours and hours she got a real good idea of who I really was.
So one day while I was babbling away, trying to make myself look like the best thing since sliced bread served with roast beef by talking about "those fucking furries" and "that one new program I installed recently", she interrupted me by saying: "Have you ever done anal?"
I was kinda put off and shocked at first. I am not going to tell you her real age but a young girl approaching me like that just shocked me for a second or two. Then I regained my cool and answered that yes, me and my ex-gf tried it once but she didn't like that so that had been the end of that. What came next had me baffled again: "Want to try again?"
me: try again? you mean you and me?
her: no, you and your mom
me: lol what
me: so you really mean you and me?
me: hello?
her: yes, you and me, dumbass
me: you're saying you'd let me do you up the ass?
her: more like you will let me do you up the ass
her: i already got the lube and the strap-on, you just gotta haul your ass over here
It's hard to make a decision when you're having a massive hard-on without knowing what to do with it at first. So I want to say that it wasn't really my decision when I packed my bit of shit together and hopped into the next train. I pretty much knew from the moment when I said "okay" (although I don't really remember that moment) that I was completely hers. Trapped in a web of, yes, retarded internet lust. I'll be the first to admit it. But I am sure most of you would have done the same.
I've been living with her the last few weeks now. Sometimes we're sleeping in her bed together but most of the time she makes me sleep on the floor. The house itself is pretty big. Her parents aren't there. I don't know where they are and I have never asked about them. A lot of other people are coming and going, though. Some are staying for a few days, vanish and come again later. Some of them even post on /b/, but I won't disclose their identities. I wouldn't want to make myself unwelcome here. I want to stay close to Cracky-chan. I know she doesn't want me to get too close to her, but I don't care as long as she legs me follow her for a walk outside (the snow is so nice) and as long s I can spread my ass cheeks for her to invade me.
I feel happy. Some of you may think that I am a sad sod, that I am crazy for having let go of my appartment, my cheap job, my so-called friends. I am with Cracky-chan and that is all that matters to me. And when she holds me by the waist and furiously thrusts that big black one into my bowels, I simply cannot ask for anything more on earth.

That's pretty cool, i love this kind of stuff thanks squee!
__________________
The story of life is quicker than the wink of an eye
The story of love is hello and goodbye
Until we meet again...
whygohome? is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2013, 03:35 AM   #28
Tiduwho
heh heh heh
 
Tiduwho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 42,630

Shows Seen: 0
Send a message via MSN to Tiduwho

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

It's actually kinda dead. Forever.


But thanks Squee!
__________________

"And later I talk to former Presidential candidate Gary Hart and tell him how more Democrats should follow his example -- and leave politics."

- Stephen Colbert
Tiduwho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2013, 07:23 AM   #29
justink
 
justink's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 20,253

Shows Seen: 47

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

what if it IS going to hit us, but we're not being told, so as not to cause civil unrest?
justink is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2013, 09:27 AM   #30
ji/\/\ithing
Missing Roi... Always
 
ji/\/\ithing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in a chrono-synclastic infundibulum
Posts: 16,082

Shows Seen: 38
Send a message via AIM to ji/\/\ithing

Re: Comet ISON will be rounding the sun and heading toward Earth on Thanksgiving

there are already tinfoil hat wearers saying it's going to hit us and that Obama will be in the bunkers below Denver Int'l Airport to ride it out. gotta love people who think you can "ride out" a comet impact...

i am looking forward to the meteor shower, this will be the first Oort cloud shower i'll have the opportunity to see.
__________________
Stats Go CUBS! For now, goodbye... Friend
ChemE > your face
I met my wife on Ants
ji/\/\ithing is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
armageddon , bruce willis , comet , ison

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


Want to hide all ads on Ants? Click here

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:35 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.


   
Site LinksAbout AntsAnts MobileTweet Tweet
Home
Ants+
Tour Central
Search bar
RSS Feeds
About Us
Contact Us
The Ants Blog
Advertise on Ants
Ants on your cell phone
iAnts
mobile news
mobile setlists
antslive!
Ants' Twitter
DMBLive Twitter
Matt's Twitter
Jake's Twitter
Joe's Twitter