ABI vs. Blue Water

vegeevore · 10-10-2009, 03:42 AM

I'm not even kidding. No poll. These songs are way closer than i ever realized. Don't argue with me. I'm right, and as an ant I feel determined to change your mind if you disagree with me. If you still disagree, I will start an argument with you and win. ABI is so hated on and underrated, yet its structure is very similar to Blue Water...long dark instrumental song with awesome violin. If dave hadn't put the repetitive lyrics on ABI, you guys might see ABI as closer to Blue Water.

Honestly, I think it's an awesome song just like Blue Ray H20

joshizzle3 · 10-10-2009, 03:49 AM

not at all
Blue Water is so lyrics based. ABI isn't.
Both are top 50 for me. Blue Water is the ONLY DMB song that after hundreds of songs literally haunts me. ABI is a good song energetically, but doesn't touch Blue Water.
Musically, I see the buildup comparison.
So in conclusion, they are similarly constructed songs, but Blue Water is incredibly better than ABI.

JCpatriot66 · 10-10-2009, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vegeevore

I'm not even kidding. No poll. These songs are way closer than i ever realized. Don't argue with me. I'm right, and as an ant I feel determined to change your mind if you disagree with me. If you still disagree, I will start an argument with you and win. ABI is so hated on and underrated, yet its structure is very similar to Blue Water...long dark instrumental song with awesome violin. If dave hadn't put the repetitive lyrics on ABI, you guys might see ABI as closer to Blue Water.

Honestly, I think it's an awesome song just like Blue Ray H20

I'll be waiting for Lewis to enter this thread.

:holdsbreath

MGH4007 · 10-10-2009, 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vegeevore

I'm not even kidding. No poll. These songs are way closer than i ever realized. Don't argue with me. I'm right, and as an ant I feel determined to change your mind if you disagree with me. If you still disagree, I will start an argument with you and win. ABI is so hated on and underrated, yet its structure is very similar to Blue Water...long dark instrumental song with awesome violin. If dave hadn't put the repetitive lyrics on ABI, you guys might see ABI as closer to Blue Water.

Honestly, I think it's an awesome song just like Blue Ray H20

You can argue that "insert dmb song" is better than "insert dmb song". The fact of the matter is they are all similar in style, it's all dmb.

I could argue abi is better than blue water, or blue water is better than proudest monkey, or pm is better than abi. The circle goes around, fact of the matter is, 98% of the opinions on this board are bias and somewhat uneducated therefor when dumb coparisons such as this are made, people actually believe they are right when they say, "insert dmb song" is better than "insert dmb song"

RSSR · 10-10-2009, 05:09 AM

In its time and place, I happen to enjoy ABI (and the band should bring it back a few times with Tim Reynolds).

Having said that, in my heart, Blue Water is the superior song. Easily.

smokew11 · 10-10-2009, 09:21 AM

music in abi is awesome
lyrics in blue water are awesome

abi- underrated but kind of annoying cuz of the lyrics and ruining daves voice
blue water- igood, but if it was in regular rotation for that last 15 yrs itd be a bathroom song..sorry but its pretty boring

btpeters · 10-10-2009, 09:49 AM

I personally like Blue Water much much MUCH better than ABI.

dmbphan07 · 10-10-2009, 09:50 AM

I like bw better but I actually threw on abi last night and forgot about how much I liked it. Awesome song and I wish they would bring it back a few times a year

RobRoy286 · 10-10-2009, 10:21 AM

Underrated? ABI is extremely overrated.

The music is all right, and the song would be much better instrumentally, but Dave's literal screaming completely ruins the song for me. It's fake and it sounds like shit.

dmbbearcat · 10-10-2009, 11:05 AM

ABI is bottom ten. Blue Water is top twenty.

YankeesDMB41 · 10-10-2009, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vegeevore

I'm not even kidding. No poll. These songs are way closer than i ever realized. Don't argue with me. I'm right, and as an ant I feel determined to change your mind if you disagree with me. If you still disagree, I will start an argument with you and win. ABI is so hated on and underrated, yet its structure is very similar to Blue Water...long dark instrumental song with awesome violin. If dave hadn't put the repetitive lyrics on ABI, you guys might see ABI as closer to Blue Water.

Honestly, I think it's an awesome song just like Blue Ray H20

Sure you are

CrAzYEasyDMB04 · 10-10-2009, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCpatriot66

I'll be waiting for Lewis to enter this thread.

:holdsbreath

You should of been waiting for me... THIS OP IS A FUCKING RETARD... yeah dont question me ... BECAUSE IM RIGHT! what a douche bag... im not even reading what his reasoning is because it doesnt deserve the time of day.. peace out guys

tesulander · 10-10-2009, 12:28 PM

if we're talking JAM ONLY, i'll take ABI over Blue Water any day.

I listen to ABI from 9.12.05 with the AMAZING Carter/Roi jam way more than I listen to Blue Water.

As a "song", Blue Water is clearly better, awesome lyrics, no screaming.

Bjkennedy24 · 10-10-2009, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vegeevore

I'm not even kidding. No poll. These songs are way closer than i ever realized. Don't argue with me. I'm right, and as an ant I feel determined to change your mind if you disagree with me. If you still disagree, I will start an argument with you and win. ABI is so hated on and underrated, yet its structure is very similar to Blue Water...long dark instrumental song with awesome violin. If dave hadn't put the repetitive lyrics on ABI, you guys might see ABI as closer to Blue Water.

Honestly, I think it's an awesome song just like Blue Ray H20

If you are so confident why do you post a poll? I think you'd be in the extreme minority,

mcwyffe · 10-10-2009, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bjkennedy24

If you are so confident why do you post a poll? I think you'd be in the extreme minority,

i think the op was saying he doesnt have a penis. no pole. hes also a bad speller.

YankeesDMB41 · 10-10-2009, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcwyffe

i think the op was saying he dont have a penis.

If making terrible polls means having a penis, then i must have a HUGE one

(drum joke thing)

bigsho · 10-10-2009, 01:04 PM

Blue Water. The lyrics and music give me chills

efraser77 · 10-10-2009, 01:18 PM

Despite the fact that most people will slam you, I find it interesting that you made this thread.

I think that a full, 93-94 style BW puts ABI to shame, BUT I do think the songs aren't as divergent as the average ant might reflexively think. It had occurred to me once, thought I never did it, to make a thread calling ABI Blue Water's halfwit younger brother. They have some noticeable similarities, in that they start slow, build to a crazy climax using very few words but lots of Boyd, then sort of wind back down again to a quiet end.

Still, BW all the way if I'm picking one.

Resatka · 10-10-2009, 01:28 PM

Completely disagree with OP and has yet to change my mind. I give him props for making this thread, it takes balls.

JCpatriot66 · 10-10-2009, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrAzYEasyDMB04

You should of been waiting for me... THIS OP IS A FUCKING RETARD... yeah dont question me ... BECAUSE IM RIGHT! what a douche bag... im not even reading what his reasoning is because it doesnt deserve the time of day.. peace out guys

...which is why I'm still waiting for Lewis.

Musicology200 · 10-10-2009, 02:33 PM

Differences in song structure:

Guitar
------
ABI -A 4 single note pattern repeated the entire time.

Blue Water - two chords an Em and a C repeated until the jam where a set of single notes (which is similar to ABI in the fact that it is 4 single notes) is played.

Lyrics
-----
ABI - one phrase uttered and screamed

Blue Water - the lyrics set the background for the story (a person who wants to end their life), an action which is carried out by the violin. Incredibly descriptive and chilling words, very poetic.

Violin
-----
ABI - great violin riff that is mostly repeated the entire time.

Blue Water - The acts described in the lyrics are carried out by the way Boyd plays. It starts out soft, slow, creepy (the person contemplating the act). It then builds and builds until the solo reaches its height where it comes crashing down signifying that the person described in the song has gone through with the act. Incredibly powerful and incredibly moving. He most definitely doesn't play the same riff the entire time, many times using complete octaves while playing.

In Conclusion
-------------
There really is no comparison. I enjoy ABI, but I look at it as like much of Stand Up, a demo of what could have been. If ABI had lyrics as intense as Blue Water, then this might be a different conversation.

The only similarity between the two is the 4 note structure of ABI and Blue Water's jam and the fact that both build into high energy songs. I would argue though, that higher energy doesnt make a superior song. It can actually be quite the contrary.

Resatka · 10-10-2009, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musicology200

Differences in song structure:

Guitar
------
ABI -A 4 single note pattern repeated the entire time.

Blue Water - two chords an Em and a C repeated until the jam where a set of single notes (which is similar to ABI in the fact that it is 4 single notes) is played.

Lyrics
-----
ABI - one phrase uttered and screamed

Blue Water - the lyrics set the background for the story (a person who wants to end their life), an action which is carried out by the violin. Incredibly descriptive and chilling words, very poetic.

Violin
-----
ABI - great violin riff that is mostly repeated the entire time.

Blue Water - The acts described in the lyrics are carried out by the way Boyd plays. It starts out soft, slow, creepy (the person contemplating the act). It then builds and builds until the solo reaches its height where it comes crashing down signifying that the person described in the song has gone through with the act. Incredibly powerful and incredibly moving. He most definitely doesn't play the same riff the entire time, many times using complete octaves while playing.

In Conclusion
-------------
There really is no comparison. I enjoy ABI, but I look at it as like much of Stand Up, a demo of what could have been. If ABI had lyrics as intense as Blue Water, then this might be a different conversation.

The only similarity between the two is the 4 note structure of ABI and Blue Water's jam and the fact that both build into high energy songs. I would argue though, that higher energy doesnt make a superior song. It can actually be quite the contrary.

/thread

dahpissah · 10-10-2009, 03:58 PM

Blue water by miles

gocubsgo3822 · 10-10-2009, 05:43 PM

i like ABI better... Blue water doesnt do it for me

Matt McKibben · 10-10-2009, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrAzYEasyDMB04

You should of been waiting for me... THIS OP IS A FUCKING RETARD... yeah dont question me ... BECAUSE IM RIGHT! what a douche bag... im not even reading what his reasoning is because it doesnt deserve the time of day.. peace out guys

NO! Wait! Don't leave yet. You must listen to this first:

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bannar7 · 10-10-2009, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YankeesDMB41

If making terrible polls means having a penis, then i must have a HUGE one

(drum joke thing)

paulg83 · 10-10-2009, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshizzle3

not at all
Blue Water is so lyrics based. ABI isn't.
Both are top 50 for me. Blue Water is the ONLY DMB song that after hundreds of songs literally haunts me. ABI is a good song energetically, but doesn't touch Blue Water.
Musically, I see the buildup comparison.
So in conclusion, they are similarly constructed songs, but Blue Water is incredibly better than ABI.

So the ghost of Blue Water makes the floorboards creek in your attic or something? How does something literally haunt you? So sick of people overusing this word.

I should probably just get over it.

Sorry, Joshizzle, just trying to help. Other than the literally part, I 100% agree with you!

Matt McKibben · 10-10-2009, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulg83

So the ghost of Blue Water makes the floorboards creek in your attic or something? How does something literally haunt you? So sick of people overusing this word.

I should probably just get over it.

Sorry, Joshizzle, just trying to help. Other than the literally part, I 100% agree with you!

You should probably take a break from the boards.

joshizzle3 · 10-10-2009, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulg83

So the ghost of Blue Water makes the floorboards creek in your attic or something? How does something literally haunt you? So sick of people overusing this word.

I should probably just get over it.

Sorry, Joshizzle, just trying to help. Other than the literally part, I 100% agree with you!

Not to whip out a dictionary, but "to have a disquieting or harmful effect on" is the definition of haunt.
It sends shivers down my spine (figuratively). While nearly every song in DMB's catalog is just as pleasing to my ears as it was on first listen, Blue Water is the only one I can think of that on tape still has such a haunting power.

Blue Water is just a brilliantly constructed song. Literally.

paulg83 · 10-10-2009, 08:34 PM

Yikes. Sorry, dude. I was literally mistaken. I figuratively feel like an ass.

Blue Water rocks!

10-10-2009, 03:42 AM	#1
vegeevore Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 355	ABI vs. Blue Water I'm not even kidding. No poll. These songs are way closer than i ever realized. Don't argue with me. I'm right, and as an ant I feel determined to change your mind if you disagree with me. If you still disagree, I will start an argument with you and win. ABI is so hated on and underrated, yet its structure is very similar to Blue Water...long dark instrumental song with awesome violin. If dave hadn't put the repetitive lyrics on ABI, you guys might see ABI as closer to Blue Water. Honestly, I think it's an awesome song just like Blue Ray H20

10-10-2009, 05:09 AM	#5
RSSR Nancies.org, always. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,600	Re: ABI vs. Blue Water In its time and place, I happen to enjoy ABI (and the band should bring it back a few times with Tim Reynolds). Having said that, in my heart, Blue Water is the superior song. Easily.

10-10-2009, 09:21 AM	#6
smokew11 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Reading, Pa Posts: 6,368	Re: ABI vs. Blue Water music in abi is awesome lyrics in blue water are awesome abi- underrated but kind of annoying cuz of the lyrics and ruining daves voice blue water- igood, but if it was in regular rotation for that last 15 yrs itd be a bathroom song..sorry but its pretty boring __________________ "i cant read that shit"- dave MyShows

10-10-2009, 09:49 AM	#7
btpeters Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,222	Re: ABI vs. Blue Water I personally like Blue Water much much MUCH better than ABI.

10-10-2009, 09:50 AM	#8
dmbphan07 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Baltimore Posts: 1,019	Re: ABI vs. Blue Water I like bw better but I actually threw on abi last night and forgot about how much I liked it. Awesome song and I wish they would bring it back a few times a year __________________ -Matt Lets go O's

10-10-2009, 10:21 AM	#9
RobRoy286 Succumb to my fuck Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kalamazoo Posts: 6,264	Re: ABI vs. Blue Water Underrated? ABI is extremely overrated. The music is all right, and the song would be much better instrumentally, but Dave's literal screaming completely ruins the song for me. It's fake and it sounds like shit. __________________ -Rob 12.3.05/6.9.08/7.2.08/7.28.09 Rest high above the clouds, no restrictions

10-10-2009, 11:05 AM	#10
dmbbearcat Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 4,561	Re: ABI vs. Blue Water ABI is bottom ten. Blue Water is top twenty. __________________ - Evan 2010: Riverbend; Deer Creek N1 & N2

10-10-2009, 01:04 PM	#17
bigsho Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 513	Re: ABI vs. Blue Water Blue Water. The lyrics and music give me chills

10-10-2009, 01:18 PM	#18
efraser77 026 \| Grux Abides Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: I'm a Humboldt Monkey Posts: 21,245	Re: ABI vs. Blue Water Despite the fact that most people will slam you, I find it interesting that you made this thread. I think that a full, 93-94 style BW puts ABI to shame, BUT I do think the songs aren't as divergent as the average ant might reflexively think. It had occurred to me once, thought I never did it, to make a thread calling ABI Blue Water's halfwit younger brother. They have some noticeable similarities, in that they start slow, build to a crazy climax using very few words but lots of Boyd, then sort of wind back down again to a quiet end. Still, BW all the way if I'm picking one. __________________ For a moment, if you please, forget what you believe, and naked you will see that we are all the same. Erik (Mattsmarching) \| Mastered shows: 11.2.93 \| 12.7.93

10-10-2009, 01:28 PM	#19
Resatka You Enjoy Myself Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 2,928	Re: ABI vs. Blue Water Completely disagree with OP and has yet to change my mind. I give him props for making this thread, it takes balls.

10-10-2009, 02:33 PM	#21
Musicology200 Join Date: May 2006 Location: 10 minutes from alpine Posts: 3,567	Re: ABI vs. Blue Water Differences in song structure: Guitar ------ ABI -A 4 single note pattern repeated the entire time. Blue Water - two chords an Em and a C repeated until the jam where a set of single notes (which is similar to ABI in the fact that it is 4 single notes) is played. Lyrics ----- ABI - one phrase uttered and screamed Blue Water - the lyrics set the background for the story (a person who wants to end their life), an action which is carried out by the violin. Incredibly descriptive and chilling words, very poetic. Violin ----- ABI - great violin riff that is mostly repeated the entire time. Blue Water - The acts described in the lyrics are carried out by the way Boyd plays. It starts out soft, slow, creepy (the person contemplating the act). It then builds and builds until the solo reaches its height where it comes crashing down signifying that the person described in the song has gone through with the act. Incredibly powerful and incredibly moving. He most definitely doesn't play the same riff the entire time, many times using complete octaves while playing. In Conclusion ------------- There really is no comparison. I enjoy ABI, but I look at it as like much of Stand Up, a demo of what could have been. If ABI had lyrics as intense as Blue Water, then this might be a different conversation. The only similarity between the two is the 4 note structure of ABI and Blue Water's jam and the fact that both build into high energy songs. I would argue though, that higher energy doesnt make a superior song. It can actually be quite the contrary. __________________ Summer 2010: Deer Creek x2, Alpine x2, Gorge x3, Chicago??, Red Rocks?? Last edited by Musicology200; 10-10-2009 at 02:36 PM.

10-10-2009, 03:58 PM	#23
dahpissah Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston Posts: 1,030	Re: ABI vs. Blue Water Blue water by miles

10-10-2009, 05:43 PM	#24
gocubsgo3822 Cubs Season Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Husseins backyard Posts: 9,793	Re: ABI vs. Blue Water i like ABI better... Blue water doesnt do it for me

10-10-2009, 08:34 PM	#30
paulg83 Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 113	Re: ABI vs. Blue Water Yikes. Sorry, dude. I was literally mistaken. I figuratively feel like an ass. Blue Water rocks!

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