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Old 10-10-2009, 02:42 AM   #1
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ABI vs. Blue Water

I'm not even kidding. No poll. These songs are way closer than i ever realized. Don't argue with me. I'm right, and as an ant I feel determined to change your mind if you disagree with me. If you still disagree, I will start an argument with you and win. ABI is so hated on and underrated, yet its structure is very similar to Blue Water...long dark instrumental song with awesome violin. If dave hadn't put the repetitive lyrics on ABI, you guys might see ABI as closer to Blue Water.

Honestly, I think it's an awesome song just like Blue Ray H20
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Old 10-10-2009, 02:49 AM   #2
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Re: ABI vs. Blue Water

not at all
Blue Water is so lyrics based. ABI isn't.
Both are top 50 for me. Blue Water is the ONLY DMB song that after hundreds of songs literally haunts me. ABI is a good song energetically, but doesn't touch Blue Water.
Musically, I see the buildup comparison.
So in conclusion, they are similarly constructed songs, but Blue Water is incredibly better than ABI.
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I'm not even kidding. No poll. These songs are way closer than i ever realized. Don't argue with me. I'm right, and as an ant I feel determined to change your mind if you disagree with me. If you still disagree, I will start an argument with you and win. ABI is so hated on and underrated, yet its structure is very similar to Blue Water...long dark instrumental song with awesome violin. If dave hadn't put the repetitive lyrics on ABI, you guys might see ABI as closer to Blue Water.

Honestly, I think it's an awesome song just like Blue Ray H20
I'll be waiting for Lewis to enter this thread.

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Old 10-10-2009, 03:03 AM   #4
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I'm not even kidding. No poll. These songs are way closer than i ever realized. Don't argue with me. I'm right, and as an ant I feel determined to change your mind if you disagree with me. If you still disagree, I will start an argument with you and win. ABI is so hated on and underrated, yet its structure is very similar to Blue Water...long dark instrumental song with awesome violin. If dave hadn't put the repetitive lyrics on ABI, you guys might see ABI as closer to Blue Water.

Honestly, I think it's an awesome song just like Blue Ray H20

You can argue that "insert dmb song" is better than "insert dmb song". The fact of the matter is they are all similar in style, it's all dmb.

I could argue abi is better than blue water, or blue water is better than proudest monkey, or pm is better than abi. The circle goes around, fact of the matter is, 98% of the opinions on this board are bias and somewhat uneducated therefor when dumb coparisons such as this are made, people actually believe they are right when they say, "insert dmb song" is better than "insert dmb song"
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Old 10-10-2009, 04:09 AM   #5
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Re: ABI vs. Blue Water

In its time and place, I happen to enjoy ABI (and the band should bring it back a few times with Tim Reynolds).

Having said that, in my heart, Blue Water is the superior song. Easily.
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Old 10-10-2009, 08:21 AM   #6
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Re: ABI vs. Blue Water

music in abi is awesome
lyrics in blue water are awesome

abi- underrated but kind of annoying cuz of the lyrics and ruining daves voice
blue water- igood, but if it was in regular rotation for that last 15 yrs itd be a bathroom song..sorry but its pretty boring
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Old 10-10-2009, 08:49 AM   #7
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Re: ABI vs. Blue Water

I personally like Blue Water much much MUCH better than ABI.
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Old 10-10-2009, 08:50 AM   #8
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Re: ABI vs. Blue Water

I like bw better but I actually threw on abi last night and forgot about how much I liked it. Awesome song and I wish they would bring it back a few times a year
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Underrated? ABI is extremely overrated.

The music is all right, and the song would be much better instrumentally, but Dave's literal screaming completely ruins the song for me. It's fake and it sounds like shit.
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Old 10-10-2009, 10:05 AM   #10
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Re: ABI vs. Blue Water

ABI is bottom ten. Blue Water is top twenty.
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I'm not even kidding. No poll. These songs are way closer than i ever realized. Don't argue with me. I'm right, and as an ant I feel determined to change your mind if you disagree with me. If you still disagree, I will start an argument with you and win. ABI is so hated on and underrated, yet its structure is very similar to Blue Water...long dark instrumental song with awesome violin. If dave hadn't put the repetitive lyrics on ABI, you guys might see ABI as closer to Blue Water.

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Old 10-10-2009, 11:26 AM   #12
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You should of been waiting for me... THIS OP IS A FUCKING RETARD... yeah dont question me ... BECAUSE IM RIGHT! what a douche bag... im not even reading what his reasoning is because it doesnt deserve the time of day.. peace out guys
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Old 10-10-2009, 11:28 AM   #13
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Re: ABI vs. Blue Water

if we're talking JAM ONLY, i'll take ABI over Blue Water any day.

I listen to ABI from 9.12.05 with the AMAZING Carter/Roi jam way more than I listen to Blue Water.

As a "song", Blue Water is clearly better, awesome lyrics, no screaming.
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Old 10-10-2009, 11:55 AM   #14
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Re: ABI vs. Blue Water

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I'm not even kidding. No poll. These songs are way closer than i ever realized. Don't argue with me. I'm right, and as an ant I feel determined to change your mind if you disagree with me. If you still disagree, I will start an argument with you and win. ABI is so hated on and underrated, yet its structure is very similar to Blue Water...long dark instrumental song with awesome violin. If dave hadn't put the repetitive lyrics on ABI, you guys might see ABI as closer to Blue Water.

Honestly, I think it's an awesome song just like Blue Ray H20

If you are so confident why do you post a poll? I think you'd be in the extreme minority,
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If you are so confident why do you post a poll? I think you'd be in the extreme minority,
i think the op was saying he doesnt have a penis. no pole. hes also a bad speller.
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i think the op was saying he dont have a penis.
If making terrible polls means having a penis, then i must have a HUGE one

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Old 10-10-2009, 12:04 PM   #17
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Blue Water. The lyrics and music give me chills
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Old 10-10-2009, 12:18 PM   #18
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Re: ABI vs. Blue Water

Despite the fact that most people will slam you, I find it interesting that you made this thread.

I think that a full, 93-94 style BW puts ABI to shame, BUT I do think the songs aren't as divergent as the average ant might reflexively think. It had occurred to me once, thought I never did it, to make a thread calling ABI Blue Water's halfwit younger brother. They have some noticeable similarities, in that they start slow, build to a crazy climax using very few words but lots of Boyd, then sort of wind back down again to a quiet end.

Still, BW all the way if I'm picking one.
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Old 10-10-2009, 12:28 PM   #19
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Re: ABI vs. Blue Water

Completely disagree with OP and has yet to change my mind. I give him props for making this thread, it takes balls.
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You should of been waiting for me... THIS OP IS A FUCKING RETARD... yeah dont question me ... BECAUSE IM RIGHT! what a douche bag... im not even reading what his reasoning is because it doesnt deserve the time of day.. peace out guys
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Re: ABI vs. Blue Water

Differences in song structure:

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ABI -A 4 single note pattern repeated the entire time.

Blue Water - two chords an Em and a C repeated until the jam where a set of single notes (which is similar to ABI in the fact that it is 4 single notes) is played.

Lyrics
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ABI - one phrase uttered and screamed

Blue Water - the lyrics set the background for the story (a person who wants to end their life), an action which is carried out by the violin. Incredibly descriptive and chilling words, very poetic.

Violin
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ABI - great violin riff that is mostly repeated the entire time.

Blue Water - The acts described in the lyrics are carried out by the way Boyd plays. It starts out soft, slow, creepy (the person contemplating the act). It then builds and builds until the solo reaches its height where it comes crashing down signifying that the person described in the song has gone through with the act. Incredibly powerful and incredibly moving. He most definitely doesn't play the same riff the entire time, many times using complete octaves while playing.



In Conclusion
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There really is no comparison. I enjoy ABI, but I look at it as like much of Stand Up, a demo of what could have been. If ABI had lyrics as intense as Blue Water, then this might be a different conversation.


The only similarity between the two is the 4 note structure of ABI and Blue Water's jam and the fact that both build into high energy songs. I would argue though, that higher energy doesnt make a superior song. It can actually be quite the contrary.
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Differences in song structure:

Guitar
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ABI -A 4 single note pattern repeated the entire time.

Blue Water - two chords an Em and a C repeated until the jam where a set of single notes (which is similar to ABI in the fact that it is 4 single notes) is played.

Lyrics
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ABI - one phrase uttered and screamed

Blue Water - the lyrics set the background for the story (a person who wants to end their life), an action which is carried out by the violin. Incredibly descriptive and chilling words, very poetic.

Violin
-----
ABI - great violin riff that is mostly repeated the entire time.

Blue Water - The acts described in the lyrics are carried out by the way Boyd plays. It starts out soft, slow, creepy (the person contemplating the act). It then builds and builds until the solo reaches its height where it comes crashing down signifying that the person described in the song has gone through with the act. Incredibly powerful and incredibly moving. He most definitely doesn't play the same riff the entire time, many times using complete octaves while playing.



In Conclusion
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There really is no comparison. I enjoy ABI, but I look at it as like much of Stand Up, a demo of what could have been. If ABI had lyrics as intense as Blue Water, then this might be a different conversation.


The only similarity between the two is the 4 note structure of ABI and Blue Water's jam and the fact that both build into high energy songs. I would argue though, that higher energy doesnt make a superior song. It can actually be quite the contrary.

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Old 10-10-2009, 02:58 PM   #23
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i like ABI better... Blue water doesnt do it for me
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not at all
Blue Water is so lyrics based. ABI isn't.
Both are top 50 for me. Blue Water is the ONLY DMB song that after hundreds of songs literally haunts me. ABI is a good song energetically, but doesn't touch Blue Water.
Musically, I see the buildup comparison.
So in conclusion, they are similarly constructed songs, but Blue Water is incredibly better than ABI.
So the ghost of Blue Water makes the floorboards creek in your attic or something? How does something literally haunt you? So sick of people overusing this word. I should probably just get over it.

Sorry, Joshizzle, just trying to help. Other than the literally part, I 100% agree with you!
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So the ghost of Blue Water makes the floorboards creek in your attic or something? How does something literally haunt you? So sick of people overusing this word. I should probably just get over it.

Sorry, Joshizzle, just trying to help. Other than the literally part, I 100% agree with you!
You should probably take a break from the boards.
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So the ghost of Blue Water makes the floorboards creek in your attic or something? How does something literally haunt you? So sick of people overusing this word. I should probably just get over it.

Sorry, Joshizzle, just trying to help. Other than the literally part, I 100% agree with you!
Not to whip out a dictionary, but "to have a disquieting or harmful effect on" is the definition of haunt.
It sends shivers down my spine (figuratively). While nearly every song in DMB's catalog is just as pleasing to my ears as it was on first listen, Blue Water is the only one I can think of that on tape still has such a haunting power.

Blue Water is just a brilliantly constructed song. Literally.
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Yikes. Sorry, dude. I was literally mistaken. I figuratively feel like an ass.

Blue Water rocks!
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