Poll: Dave Matthews Band vs. Phish

[salukidave]

Cast your vote at http://www.ChicagoConcertgoers.com.

If you live around Chicago, feel free to check out the rest of the site. Even if you don't, you might be interested to read the Top 5 lists submitted by musicians. You never know who's going to contribute a list next. Ian Anderson just submitted one this morning.

Rave on,

Dave

[joshizzle3]

ibtp?

DMB.

[andrewj063]

Originally Posted by joshizzle3

ibtp?

DMB.

My exact thoughts.

OP,put up a poll on here.

[joshizzle3]

Originally Posted by andrewj063

My exact thoughts.

OP,put up a poll on here.

probably too late.

[WaltzingBack]

Phish is killing DMB

[OneSweetPhish]

I will never be able to choose..... not voting. I love both equally for different reasons.

[canes101190]

Very, very different. Too difficult to really make a fair evaluation.

[pats4life2003]

both bands are different

both bands are my favorite

[JorgeCavos]

I voted Phish. I love DMB, but Phish is simply incredible.

[nfggater]

So you created a username on here to promote your website???

[salukidave]

Yeah, Phish right now has a big lead. I came up with the poll in good fun. I personally have seen and like both bands. One of the things I like about Dave is that he's been a long-time supporter of Farm Aid and how he took a stand in the 2008 election.

Anyway, if you haven't voted yet feel free to do so at:

http://www.ChicagoConcertgoers.com

(There's a Dave ticket that appears in the ticket scroll that runs across the top of the page.)

[BigEyedHubbs]

cut this shit out

[JBScout21]

Apples to Oranges....big time.

[MGH4007]

Ehh, it's somewhat "apples to oranges". In this case I choose phish for many reasons though.

[Prez]

Phish > DMB

[pats4life2003]

^depends on what you're looking for

in many ways, yes, but in many ways DMB is much more talented and versatile than phish

[thehammer316]

This is like comparing The Dead to the Beatles while ingloriously promoting a poll on another website. It's all in bad taste.

[jdbartender]

Originally Posted by pats4life2003

^depends on what you're looking for

in many ways, yes, but in many ways DMB is much more talented and versatile than phish

Many people are going to disagree with you here... However, now that DMB has Jeff, Carter, Tim, and Rashawn all in the same band - It is hard to argue that Phish as a unit is more technically skilled.

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The word "Versatile" is a very ambiguous term. If what you really meant to say is "diverse" then I agree there too.

Musically speaking, Trey is the engine that makes phish run. His solos are vital to the success of any Phish show. Page is important too from a lead perspective, but Trey is the primary draw.

DMB on the other hand has 4 different instruments that can share the burden or taking solos. Three of which are played by brilliant/world class musicians.

So although many are going to jump on you for your statement, I completely agree.

[MGH4007]

Originally Posted by jdbartender

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Many people are going to disagree with you here... However, now that DMB has Jeff, Carter, Tim, and Rashawn all in the same band - It is hard to argue that Phish as a unit is more technically skilled.

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The word "Versatile" is a very ambiguous term. If what you really meant to say is "diverse" then I agree there too.

Musically speaking, Trey is the engine that makes phish run. His solos are vital to the success of any Phish show. Page is important too from a lead perspective, but Trey is the primary draw.

DMB on the other hand has 4 different instruments that can share the burden or taking solos. Three of which are played by brilliant/world class musicians.

So although many are going to jump on you for your statement, I completely agree.

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1. Technicality is a funny thing. Carter doing technical things in 4/4 is not the same as a 12 minute thorough (through) composition doing technical things musically, not individually. For example, Phish's drummer might have to play 4 different meters in one song, some arguably being 15/8, or 12/8. Point being that one of Trey's pieces are far more techincal than Daves to the point where individual skill techincality is trumped by compositional technicality. Just because Jeff can run up and down the horn doesn't lead to the whole tune being more techincal. Your arguing from two different aspects and overlooking details, you can't just do that.

2. Trey's solo's are not the highlight of any show. His compositional skills definitly are the first and most important aspect to their live versatility. Trey writes over tons of genres of music, Dave doesn't. Your mis interpreting the difference between soloing and conversing. DMB solo's, if you actually listen to Phish, which you obviously dont all that much you would hear conversational music taking place in almost any jam. Also, in phish's case, if trey is going to solo without any other band memebers soloing he writes that into a piece. For example the end of "Sample In a Jar" has a specific place for Trey to solo and their is very little other band member input. Don't confuse soloing with conversing. Most things you call trey soloing are all 4 band memebrs improvising to some extent, they are just that tight and good.
Trust me, phans don't go to a phish show to see trey solo, point being Trey's solos are far from the main draw of the show. You definitely have missed a few points.

3. Three world class musicians? get off your high horse buddy. They are all good musicians, i'd even agree "world class". If you want to speak in terms of worldy musical relavence and influecnce, Trey easily beats out any of those musicans, that's just the truth.

just wanted to get a few things out there

[LadyMadonna68]

Originally Posted by JBScout21

Apples to Oranges....big time.

I'll take Oranges.

I have to say DMB on this one...no disrespect to Phish but they don't do it for me like DMB does.

[colegibson]

i'll be damned if 25% of people in DMBc have ever listened to Phish (Farmhouse doesn't count).

[jdbartender]

Originally Posted by MGH4007

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1. Technicality is a funny thing. Carter doing technical things in 4/4 is not the same as a 12 minute thorough (through) composition doing technical things musically, not individually. For example, Phish's drummer might have to play 4 different meters in one song, some arguably being 15/8, or 12/8. Point being that one of Trey's pieces are far more techincal than Daves to the point where individual skill techincality is trumped by compositional technicality. Just because Jeff can run up and down the horn doesn't lead to the whole tune being more techincal. Your arguing from two different aspects and overlooking details, you can't just do that.

2. Trey's solo's are not the highlight of any show. His compositional skills definitly are the first and most important aspect to their live versatility. Trey writes over tons of genres of music, Dave doesn't. Your mis interpreting the difference between soloing and conversing. DMB solo's, if you actually listen to Phish, which you obviously dont all that much you would hear conversational music taking place in almost any jam. Also, in phish's case, if trey is going to solo without any other band memebers soloing he writes that into a piece. For example the end of "Sample In a Jar" has a specific place for Trey to solo and their is very little other band member input. Don't confuse soloing with conversing. Most things you call trey soloing are all 4 band memebrs improvising to some extent, they are just that tight and good.
Trust me, phans don't go to a phish show to see trey solo, point being Trey's solos are far from the main draw of the show. You definitely have missed a few points.

3. Three world class musicians? get off your high horse buddy. They are all good musicians, i'd even agree "world class". If you want to speak in terms of worldy musical relavence and influecnce, Trey easily beats out any of those musicans, that's just the truth.
just wanted to get a few things out there

We are arguing two different things apparently.

I was discussing the technical merits of each individual band member, not the unit as a whole.

#1. From an individual, technical standpoint; it goes something like this:

Carter>Fish
Jeff + Rashawn>Page
Dave Vocally>Trey Vocally

Gordon>Fonz
Trey>Tim

Boyd is not a technical force by any means, but he is the best showman out of everyone listed above - so I give him a pass.

I think that is fairly accurate... Therefore, I can see how someone COULD argue DMB on an INDIVIDUAL basis has more talent then Phish.

#2. When the previous poster said DMB was more versatile I said; versatile is an ambiguous term. If by versatile he really meant “musically diverse”, I can see his point.

Just from an instrumental standpoint alone –

i.e. DMB having a sax, trumpet, violin, acoustic guitar, and electric guitar > Phish have a electric guitar, keys, and bass.

This gives DMB the ability to explore an array of different sounds that Phish is unable to pursue with their line up. That is not a bad thing; it is just the way it is… Therefore I can see how an argument can be made.

Lastly, as far as me being on my "high horse" for calling some members of DMB world class - I stand by my classification.

Jeff and Carter are "world class." Timmy - if not world class, is just one step below.

The ONLY member of Phish that can be in the “world class” conversation is Trey... Period… Again, I am only discussing the band members, not the band by itself.

So I appreciate your pretentious, "I am an elite" phish phan speech...

For your information, I do listen to phish... I started listening to them in the early 90's.. I actually grew up in Burlington Vermont where you couldn't escape their music even if you tried and, I have been to several shows as well.

Personally, I like Phish a lot, but I am not delusional with the belief that Trey is the reincarnation of Mozart - like many members of the phish community. They are just another band that I like… That’s it… Hardcore phish phans have a real tough time accepting the fact that people can like phish, without worshiping them

[RiotAct]

Originally Posted by jdbartender

Personally, I like Phish a lot, but I am not delusional with the belief that Trey is the reincarnation of Mozart - like many members of the phish community.

well, at least he's not a lazy bum like Dave!

[MGH4007]

I'm not under a delusional belief that Trey is Mozart, Nor am I under any delusional belief that Mozart is Trey. What's your point?

[wildbill79]

There both great in their own ways def the 2 best acts out there 2day. But all this noise about phish being better is because they had a way better summer tour, and now they're about to start what I hope to b an epic fall tour. I myself will b attending both nights in albany and can't wait. I also have a good feeling dmb will redeem themselves next year, their post album tours are usually the best, but phish is known for their fall tours and new year runs so let's stop arguing and enjoy some great music cause we're gonna miss it when its gone!

[LadyMadonna68]

Originally Posted by wildbill79

There both great in their own ways def the 2 best acts out there 2day. But all this noise about phish being better is because they had a way better summer tour, and now they're about to start what I hope to b an epic fall tour. I myself will b attending both nights in albany and can't wait. I also have a good feeling dmb will redeem themselves next year, their post album tours are usually the best, but phish is known for their fall tours and new year runs so let's stop arguing and enjoy some great music cause we're gonna miss it when its gone!

Cutest thing I've seen all day.

[wildbill79]

Originally Posted by LadyMadonna68

Cutest thing I've seen all day.

It may be cute but its true, and the phish boards are debating the same topics. I've loved both bands since the mid 90's and I hope to continue to b able to c these bands perform for years like the dead or the stones, which in many ways is a fair comparison to phish and dave. Phish being the dead with an underground like following experimental jamming and random set lists , where dave is the stones a more mainstream rock band with emotional ballads mixed in with funky jams that explode on stage with great chemistry and a touch of sex appeal. Either way if the past few years hasn't taught us anything with break ups, close calls, addiction and death that nothing lasts forever so let's enjoy it while we can. I don't enjoy bad mouthing one band or the other sure I've seen both bands play like crap, I've also seen them play some of their best shows and right now phish is on fire, and daves hot too but not on the level that phish is on. But next year there's rumors of a couple of mix shows with the 2 bands which is a dream come true for me, and post album tours for dave is usually where they play their best music so I don't doubt next summer dave will win my vote but today its phish. I can't wait for thanksgiving!!!

[salukidave]

Just wanted to let everyone know the final results of the poll:

Phish 379 votes 69.2%
Dave Matthews Band 169 votes 30.8%

Thanks to everyone who voted. It was all meant in good fun. I've seen each band and like 'em both. If anyone is interested in the new poll, it can be found here:

http://www.ChicagoConcertgoers.com

Have a good Thanksgiving everyone.

Dave

[saygdbye4134]

i find it odd, that when i go to this site, it has the top 5 CDs of 2009, and at the top of that list is Danny Barnes's Pizza Box.

[smokew11]

i guess its time for DMBc's weekly DMB vs. Phish poll huh?