Trey Anastasio vs. Tim Reynolds..Beef and Playing Abilities

[pats4life2003]

I have heard from friends and it's been in my head for a while that Trey and Tim don't like each other.

I think this stems from Dave and Friends, but can't remember from what.

Does anyone know if there is a beef with Trey and Tim and who do you guys think is better.

I think Trey is far above a better guitar player than Tim, but I know how biased DMBc is now..

Anyone??

[Resatka]

I agree with what you said, and I have no idea.

[canes101190]

Trey is a better guitarist than Tim, however they're both worlds better than John Mayer. I can't see how they don't like each other, I really don't see Tim outwardly hating anyone. Trey seems like he could've been a bit of an asshole back in 03 when he was out of control with the drugs so maybe that irritated Tim or something along those lines, but other than that I don't see it.

[Auzz76]

I understand Trey is good and I totally respect his ability but damn...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3loMJQJBBE

and who knows about the beef thing

[bloodybob]

Well when D&F was touring Trey was popping Oxycotin all day long, and he sucked ass on the stage. Tim was doing all the good playing, and Trey was getting the attention, because he's Trey. So maybe that's why Tim doesn't like him. However, I have seen no evidence that they don't get along.

And Trey not-as-a-drug addict is a far better guitarist than Timmy, IMO.

[broydan]

Trey is good, but trey is an asshole. Tim is an alien, and only knows a few emotions other than pensive.

[junt015]

Originally Posted by canes101190

Trey is a better guitarist than Tim, however they're both worlds better than John Mayer. I can't see how they don't like each other, I really don't see Tim outwardly hating anyone. Trey seems like he could've been a bit of an asshole back in 03 when he was out of control with the drugs so maybe that irritated Tim or something along those lines, but other than that I don't see it.

there different kinds of guitar players...john mayer will play the blues far better than both of them

[chyeachyea552]

I know there's a lot of hate on these boards for John Mayer, but he's a damn good guitar player. Trey and Tim are better but you have to admit his guitar skills

[vegeevore]

Originally Posted by broydan

Trey is good, but trey is an asshole. Tim is an alien, and only knows a few emotions other than pensive.

i like my sig, do u?

[Resatka]

Originally Posted by canes101190

Trey is a better guitarist than Tim, however they're both worlds better than John Mayer. I can't see how they don't like each other, I really don't see Tim outwardly hating anyone. Trey seems like he could've been a bit of an asshole back in 03 when he was out of control with the drugs so maybe that irritated Tim or something along those lines, but other than that I don't see it.

Originally Posted by junt015

there different kinds of guitar players...john mayer will play the blues far better than both of them

Originally Posted by chyeachyea552

I know there's a lot of hate on these boards for John Mayer, but he's a damn good guitar player. Trey and Tim are better but you have to admit his guitar skills

Can we not bring John Mayer into this? Kind of irrelevant. But...


Trey is better than Tim by a long shot, IMO. Tim is overrated on the boards because he's essentially part of DMB. I can explain to you millions of reasons why Trey is better, but I'd rather not. People will of course disagree with me, but hey whatever. I think differently

[SmoothRider[PL]]

Originally Posted by Resatka

Can we not bring John Mayer into this? Kind of irrelevant. But...


Trey is better than Tim by a long shot, IMO. Tim is overrated on the boards because he's essentially part of DMB. I can explain to you millions of reasons why Trey is better, but I'd rather not. People will of course disagree with me, but hey whatever. I think differently

I would like to hear the story

[Neverknow34]

Trey and Tim don't have any "beef" i think the whole day is that, Tim is not a druggie... not the way trey was. they're personalities clash, but they have a fairly nice chemistry on stage i think.
Trey is better though.

[Resatka]

Originally Posted by SmoothRider[PL]

I would like to hear the story

You won't agree with any of it. That's all I'm going to say before I see you quote me again


So here we go. A few things....

1. Trey's tone kills Timmy's. Timmy actually has no concept of it. He only knows a few: Crazy effects (volume swells, delay, flange, chorus... something you can find on a Line 6 that a 13 year-old plays with), Acoustic and distortion. Trey's tone is just fuckin' quality. So pronuciated and smooth, yet it's got a nice bite to it. Also his clean tone is much better than Timmy's.... then again Timmy doesn't even know what clean tone is unless it's 1995...

2. Trey's playing is over-all better, IMO. Sure, Timmy can play crazy (and weird) acoustic guitar solos, play shred metal, and make weird noises, but his sense of melody doesn't even touch Trey's. Just because you can technically better doesn't mean that you actually are. This is why guitars such as David Gilmour or Duane Allman will always be remembered. It's all about the phrasing and fitting with the music. Not that Tim does this (too much), playing a million notes a second doesn't really warrant that it's going to make it better. I also think Tim is a pretty sloppy player in comparison to Trey. Timmy's lines for the most part aren't as tight or fluid as Trey's, which I think is much better.

3. Trey's technique is better (a little more focused than over-all playing). Listening to songs like You Enjoy Myself, or Weekapaug Grove, it's pretty apparent that Trey has amazing chops. Him playing the opening lines to YEM so effortlessly can pretty show if he wanted to, he could probably play 90% of what Timmy can play. He could be fast if he wanted to, but he'd rather fit with the music.

4. Trey is more original, IMO. Personally I think songs like Stream or Betrayal are pretty overrated. Half the time these songs are just all over the place and don't make sense for the most part. It's basically just a solo... not an actual song. Sure T3 has some cool songs, and Tim can rip, but he can't hold a candle to Trey's improvisation. I mean when you're in a jam band like Phish, you gotta learn to be an improv master, which Timmy is not. Also I feel like Tim's "actual" songs are very cliche compared to Phish's. A lot of people don't play shit like Phish.


PHEW That wasn't a million reasons, but that's a lot; in my book at least. I'll take Trey any day of the week over Timmy. There's a reason why Trey is more famous than Timmy... which is a whole other discussion it itself.

[aw625]

Originally Posted by Resatka

You won't agree with any of it. That's all I'm going to say before I see you quote me again


So here we go. A few things....

1. Trey's tone kills Timmy's. Timmy actually has no concept of it. He only knows a few: Crazy effects (volume swells, delay, flange, chorus... something you can find on a Line 6 that a 13 year-old plays with), Acoustic and distortion. Trey's tone is just fuckin' quality. So pronuciated and smooth, yet it's got a nice bite to it. Also his clean tone is much better than Timmy's.... then again Timmy doesn't even know what clean tone is unless it's 1995...

2. Trey's playing is over-all better, IMO. Sure, Timmy can play crazy (and weird) acoustic guitar solos, play shred metal, and make weird noises, but his sense of melody doesn't even touch Trey's. Just because you can technically better doesn't mean that you actually are. This is why guitars such as David Gilmour or Duane Allman will always be remembered. It's all about the phrasing and fitting with the music. Not that Tim does this (too much), playing a million notes a second doesn't really warrant that it's going to make it better. I also think Tim is a pretty sloppy player in comparison to Trey. Timmy's lines for the most part aren't as tight or fluid as Trey's, which I think is much better.

3. Trey's technique is better (a little more focused than over-all playing). Listening to songs like You Enjoy Myself, or Weekapaug Grove, it's pretty apparent that Trey has amazing chops. Him playing the opening lines to YEM so effortlessly can pretty show if he wanted to, he could probably play 90% of what Timmy can play. He could be fast if he wanted to, but he'd rather fit with the music.

4. Trey is more original, IMO. Personally I think songs like Stream or Betrayal are pretty overrated. Half the time these songs are just all over the place and don't make sense for the most part. It's basically just a solo... not an actual song. Sure T3 has some cool songs, and Tim can rip, but he can't hold a candle to Trey's improvisation. I mean when you're in a jam band like Phish, you gotta learn to be an improv master, which Timmy is not. Also I feel like Tim's "actual" songs are very cliche compared to Phish's. A lot of people don't play shit like Phish.


PHEW That wasn't a million reasons, but that's a lot; in my book at least. I'll take Trey any day of the week over Timmy. There's a reason why Trey is more famous than Timmy... which is a whole other discussion it itself.

Completely agree.

[SmoothRider[PL]]

Surprise!!!!

I agree with everything you just said. I'm serious. Tim is great, but Trey is better

[Resatka]

Originally Posted by aw625

Completely agree.

Thank you

[Resatka]

Originally Posted by SmoothRider[PL]

Surprise!!!!

I agree with everything you just said. I'm serious. Tim is great, but Trey is better

Oh fuck well there we go!

[RSSR]

Um, this isn't a "let's debate who's the better guitarist, Tim or Trey", which the OP got right out of the way (Trey). He asked a question that only one person who replied actually responded to: I don't know.

[Kdistheman88]

Sorry Tim.

[Resatka]

Originally Posted by RSSR

Um, this isn't a "let's debate who's the better guitarist, Tim or Trey", which the OP got right out of the way (Trey). He asked a question that only one person who replied actually responded to: I don't know.

Actually he asked both... a discussion and he wanted information. Thank god he didn't do a poll because DMBc probably would've made me throw up with how much Tim would've won the poll.

[rantingthespian]

In an interview a while back, Tim stated how he really liked Trey and that he was a great guitarist.

I don't remember where the interview came from. I would have to search the tr.com forums, and I am too lazy to do that.



I also think Tim is the greatest guitarist I have seen or heard. However, this is not because I am biased because I love DMB so much. I make this judgment out of his solo/TR3/Sticks & Stones/Soko/etc albums and performances. There is a reason why I own 11 albums of his.

[pats4life2003]

I have always had this idea in my head that they don't like each other.

I think it had to do with Dave and Friends where they clashed
not sure, but anyone who thinks Tim is better can just leave now

[foosball]

Originally Posted by bloodybob

And Trey not-as-a-drug addict is a far better guitarist than Timmy, IMO.

Unfortunately this is false. I wish Trey were currently at the top of his game. But if you listen, his guitar work was at it's pinnacle from 94-99'. Essentially the band was a free for all in early 98' (Island Tour is when the true door kicked open).
I hope he can regain his form. But Trey is still flubbing a tad. It is getting significantly better. But he has also compromised the exploratory side.
Don't get me wrong, I am happy for Trey as a person, for where he has taken his life. But his playing is not where he used to be.
The progression over the past nine months is fairly promising, though. Seems like he is slowly getting better on the Languedoc. He still leans on the whale call a bit too much.

[rschlad04]

Originally Posted by foosball

Unfortunately this is false. I wish Trey were currently at the top of his game. But if you listen, his guitar work was at it's pinnacle from 94-99'. Essentially the band was a free for all in early 98' (Island Tour is when the true door kicked open).
I hope he can regain his form. But Trey is still flubbing a tad. It is getting significantly better. But he has also compromised the exploratory side.
Don't get me wrong, I am happy for Trey as a person, for where he has taken his life. But his playing is not where he used to be.
The progression over the past nine months is fairly promising, though. Seems like he is slowly getting better on the Languedoc. He still leans on the whale call a bit too much.

Agree, Rock stars at at their best when they on da drewgs.

[stoneje]

Originally Posted by Resatka

You won't agree with any of it. That's all I'm going to say before I see you quote me again


So here we go. A few things....

1. Trey's tone kills Timmy's. Timmy actually has no concept of it. He only knows a few: Crazy effects (volume swells, delay, flange, chorus... something you can find on a Line 6 that a 13 year-old plays with), Acoustic and distortion. Trey's tone is just fuckin' quality. So pronuciated and smooth, yet it's got a nice bite to it. Also his clean tone is much better than Timmy's.... then again Timmy doesn't even know what clean tone is unless it's 1995...

2. Trey's playing is over-all better, IMO. Sure, Timmy can play crazy (and weird) acoustic guitar solos, play shred metal, and make weird noises, but his sense of melody doesn't even touch Trey's. Just because you can technically better doesn't mean that you actually are. This is why guitars such as David Gilmour or Duane Allman will always be remembered. It's all about the phrasing and fitting with the music. Not that Tim does this (too much), playing a million notes a second doesn't really warrant that it's going to make it better. I also think Tim is a pretty sloppy player in comparison to Trey. Timmy's lines for the most part aren't as tight or fluid as Trey's, which I think is much better.

3. Trey's technique is better (a little more focused than over-all playing). Listening to songs like You Enjoy Myself, or Weekapaug Grove, it's pretty apparent that Trey has amazing chops. Him playing the opening lines to YEM so effortlessly can pretty show if he wanted to, he could probably play 90% of what Timmy can play. He could be fast if he wanted to, but he'd rather fit with the music.

4. Trey is more original, IMO. Personally I think songs like Stream or Betrayal are pretty overrated. Half the time these songs are just all over the place and don't make sense for the most part. It's basically just a solo... not an actual song. Sure T3 has some cool songs, and Tim can rip, but he can't hold a candle to Trey's improvisation. I mean when you're in a jam band like Phish, you gotta learn to be an improv master, which Timmy is not. Also I feel like Tim's "actual" songs are very cliche compared to Phish's. A lot of people don't play shit like Phish.


PHEW That wasn't a million reasons, but that's a lot; in my book at least. I'll take Trey any day of the week over Timmy. There's a reason why Trey is more famous than Timmy... which is a whole other discussion it itself.

Did "pronounced" and "enunciated" have a baby?

To actually address your post, I guess I'd go alont with #2, but point #3 doesn't make sense to me... how can Trey have better technique but only play 90% of what Tim does?

Edit: and I disagree with #4 - I think they're on pretty even ground there; they have different styles, but are both really, really good at improvising.

[bloodybob]

Originally Posted by foosball

Unfortunately this is false. I wish Trey were currently at the top of his game. But if you listen, his guitar work was at it's pinnacle from 94-99'. Essentially the band was a free for all in early 98' (Island Tour is when the true door kicked open).
I hope he can regain his form. But Trey is still flubbing a tad. It is getting significantly better. But he has also compromised the exploratory side.
Don't get me wrong, I am happy for Trey as a person, for where he has taken his life. But his playing is not where he used to be.
The progression over the past nine months is fairly promising, though. Seems like he is slowly getting better on the Languedoc. He still leans on the whale call a bit too much.

Well yeah, I meant Trey is his prime... sure he was taking drugs in the 90s, but I don't think he was an addict.

[rantingthespian]

To be honest, Trey can bore me. I lose interest in his playing quite a bit (one of the reasons why I am not a Phish fan, I have the highest respect for them, but I get bored easily). Tim does the exact opposite, he grabs me by the throat and doesn't let me go until 3 minutes after the song is over (and I am talking about a Tim/TR3/etc song)


Also, the thought about Trey and Tim hating each other is as far fetched as the old rumors from years ago that Dave and Tim had a falling out and hated each other as well.

[danp1986]

I dunno how people can say treys so much better than tim

[berman1125]

why would they hate eachother, those are two of the nicest people ever

[bloodybob]

Originally Posted by danp1986

I dunno how people can say treys so much better than tim

Listen to any classic Phish show and you'll understand.