Mad Men

[TwoStep2888]

Originally Posted by keithcoldroses

The king ordered it!

Highlight of the night, hahaha.

[thebridge15]

I didn't really follow the "twist" last night. wasn't what hobart was telling them common knowledge?

[keithcoldroses]

There was a twist?

[Benny003]

Originally Posted by thebridge15

I didn't really follow the "twist" last night. wasn't what hobart was telling them common knowledge?

Are you talking about the SC&P "passing the test" part? If so, the "twist" was that McCann was giving SC&P's people some of their biggest clients. Prior to that change, SC&P had just been working on their (SC&P's) existing clients, especially the clients where McCann had conflicts of interest. The two company's had basically been operating independently. Now McCann is saying SC&P is no longer going to work on their old clients and no longer going to be independent, but McCann is going to give them some of the biggest clients in the world in exchange.

[thebridge15]

oh got it, I guess I didn't get that they were operating under the assumption they wouldn't get solid clients

[keithcoldroses]

Originally Posted by Benny003

Are you talking about the SC&P "passing the test" part? If so, the "twist" was that McCann was giving SC&P's people some of their biggest clients. Prior to that change, SC&P had just been working on their (SC&P's) existing clients, especially the clients where McCann had conflicts of interest. The two company's had basically been operating independently. Now McCann is saying SC&P is no longer going to work on their old clients and no longer going to be independent, but McCann is going to give them some of the biggest clients in the world in exchange.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it didn't seem like the guys from SC&P were too thrilled about that though.

[dmbbearcat]

Loved last night's episode.

[Ascf33]

Brilliant.

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/im...0613085234.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qPb3G9q.jpg

[Benny003]

Originally Posted by keithcoldroses

Correct me if I'm wrong but it didn't seem like the guys from SC&P were too thrilled about that though.

Right, because they are losing their company. They are getting something pretty sweet in return, but they are losing their autonomy and identity, which is something they have been building for several years now.

[UNC41]

Co-ca Co-la

Last night was definitely the best episode of the season. While the show has so often focused on characters being unable to change despite their best efforts, now they've got no choice but to change.

[keithcoldroses]

Originally Posted by Ascf33

Brilliant.

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/im...0613085234.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qPb3G9q.jpg

The first shot they're looking out the window, in a huge open room, essentially conveying all the possibilities of a new agency.

They look completely bamboozled in the shot from last night, in a small cramped board room.

Really well done imo.

[AlpineValley804]

Easily the best episode of the final stretch so far.

[junior94]

man Stan really has been one of the best underrated characters for a long damn time now, I love that guy.

and it's like AMC practically has a mandate now for a giant F-bomb to show up at least once in their episodes The last two BCS eps had one, and one each in all the new Mad Mens so far.

[dmbbearcat]

Loved tonight's episode too. Series is ending on a strong note IMO.

[dmbetc]

Best episode of the season.

[dmbetc]

But wtf Joan..don't settle.

[TwoStep2888]

all enemies of Joan are enemies of mine

[AJF_41]

awesome episode

[thebridge15]

great episode. gotta like don taking one final impromptu vacation

[Ascf33]

Best episode of the season. Peggy is the best.

[junior94]

I was just thinking earlier, the whole Roger/Peggy portion of this episode sort of felt like an unofficial sequel to "The Suitcase".

[Julia Roberts]

Fantastic episode. The DB Cooper theory looks more plausible every episode. I feel like Weiner is toying with the folks that think it could happen.

[DaveHead36]

Originally Posted by Julia Roberts

Fantastic episode. The DB Cooper theory looks more plausible every episode. I feel like Weiner is toying with the folks that think it could happen.

I just don't see this happening. This series isn't really known for its crazy, dramatic twists like that. Not to mention $200,000 would be nothing to Don. This is the guy who just cut his ex wife a check for $1,000,000 at the drop of a hat.

I don't think we will get an ending that has a major twist, is an omg I can't believe that happened or even a Sopranos esque wtf ending. I think it'll be a satisfactorily conclusive ending with not too many surprises but will leave viewers saying "that was a great series".

[dvalukis]

Originally Posted by DaveHead36

I just don't see this happening. This series isn't really known for its crazy, dramatic twists like that. Not to mention $200,000 would be nothing to Don. This is the guy who just cut his ex wife a check for $1,000,000 at the drop of a hat.

I don't think we will get an ending that has a major twist, is an omg I can't believe that happened or even a Sopranos esque wtf ending. I think it'll be a satisfactorily conclusive ending with not too many surprises but will leave viewers saying "that was a great series".

tl:dr The DB Cooper theory works for the character and the show. And not as just a "bit" or a "surprise ending". But as an actually cathartic ending. At the very least, Don's searching for a transcendental moment like Dan Cooper's -- The figurative "plane highjacking".



Came to this theory Sunday by myself, then googled it and apparently it's a big fucking thing that's been around for 2 years, lol. I think there's a lot that supports it within the show, but a lot going against it outside the show (Weiner, viewer expectations, too radical of an ending).

There's been weird moments the last couple episodes blending the show with reality though. Mainly:
Peggy's walk back into the SC&P office when she hears Roger's organ. The music and her reaction happen at kind of the same time. So as the viewer you''re searching for other clues because the noise sounds like it's part of the soundtrack to the actual tv show you're watching. Then you discover it's Roger playing the part in a Fisher family dream from Six Feet Under. So that bleed happens (at least for me) where the show goes kinda 'meta' for a second. Not sure what the name of that technique is.

The show also follows news stories pretty closely. Albeit, the ones they choose, but they're still in the world where DB Cooper jumps from a plane within a year from where we're at right now. Putting Don inside the TV without really putting DON inside the TV would be a "bleed" moment WITHIN MadMen... urgh, think about that one for a second.

Plus this whole idea of utopia (Don always searching for it), the recent episode being named after a film/book about a guy brought to utopia via a plane. Dick didn't become successful Don Draper for specific goals like Peggy, "Art Director soon, then this, then that". He thought that being "successful" (aka the American dream) would bring him happiness. And he was so special in his early years in advertising because the American public was asking the same deep questions that Don was in his own mind. Even in episode 1 (S01). Don Draper is out of his mind asking really important questions to things like "men's deodorant" and what deep-down primal urge in women is there to make them want to buy a specific brand for their hubbys. But now (1970) the country isn't really asking those questions.

DB Cooper embodies the perfect device to end the show. To transcend the show in on itself. As 'nothing really lasts', 'nothing really matters', 'is that all there is?'... well, yes. (as it pertains to Don). The act wouldn't be about the money (seems to be everyone's main defense against the theory). It's never been about the money for Don. Or success for that matter. Everything's always been a means to a psychological end. And now, for what he's looking for there isn't a road map or socially acceptable way to get there. He can't survive within society AND achieve his goals.

[Arby]

Holy god that was good. Top 10 episode there.

[Arby]

This is also a fantastic read into the episode

http://tomandlorenzo.com/2015/05/mad...-lost-horizon/

[sheldonlevene]

That's an octopus pleasing a woman.

Roger is the fucking man.

[AJF_41]

Originally Posted by sheldonlevene

That's an octopus pleasing a woman.

Roger is the fucking man.

that was great


also, when peggy stands up to get the door, and zips her skirt

[salrx95]

That was a truly great episode. So many highlights and memorable lines.

[Lee3691]

One thing that has bothered me this season is that Kiernan Shipka, who most agree is a pretty good actress for her age, is not credible playing a 15 - 17 year old girl. She was probably 13 when she filmed the last season, and it's not believable the age her character is supposedly.