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Old 04-22-2015, 04:58 AM   #1051
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Re: Man Of Steel 2/Superman vs Batman (2015)

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I consider myself a comic book nerd and I do not hate Batman v. Superman because I haven't seen it yet. Those types of articles are just troll blogs trying to get pageviews. Didn't even bother reading past the first paragraph.
But you've defended it every chance you've gotten, and changed your avatar and title based on the trailer. You're allowed to have high hopes for it but others can't be down on it based on what we know so far?
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    Re: Man Of Steel 2/Superman vs Batman (2015)

    Color me an optimist I suppose. I have my hopes high because I've been a huge Batman fan my whole life, so any time he's on the big screen it's going to be an exciting thing for me. Hell, as bad as the Schumacher films are, I sometimes enjoy watching them because they pull from the Batman mythos. But I also haven't said that the movie will be great just based on the trailer, which would be silly, because I haven't seen the full movie yet. Obviously I don't have a problem with people having an opinion one way or another because the only one I care about is mine, but I think it's dumb to make conclusions about a movie that's 11 months away based on a 2 minute teaser trailer. That's been my point all along.
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    Old 04-22-2015, 06:02 AM   #1053
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    Re: Man Of Steel 2/Superman vs Batman (2015)

    I too have been a huge Batman fan for a long time and that's exactly why I think this has disaster written all over it. I truly hope I'm wrong but the trailer did nothing to inspire confidence.
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    Old 04-22-2015, 06:15 AM   #1054
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    And that's completely fair. I just think it's funny when some people don't like a 2-minute teaser and have such a big dump in their pants about it that they say they're not going to see the movie
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    Old 04-22-2015, 06:30 AM   #1055
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    And that's completely fair. I just think it's funny when some people don't like a 2-minute teaser and have such a big dump in their pants about it that they say they're not going to see the movie
    Funny thing is that a lot of the people complaining about it will still go see it. I just don't get why people aren't up for giving a new spin on a character a chance. This movie will not be The Dark Knight Returns, so what? It draws some ideas from it, can't that be enough? Why do these movies all have to be exactly like the comics? As I said in my last post, comics change things up all the time. How is it any different to change things up in a big screen adaptation?

    Like Jake said, I just want it to be good. I have high hopes and believe Affleck is really going to nail this role. That's all just a gut feeling, but I think he'll be a good fit. I'm excited to see how they deal with the aftermath of Man of Steel. I think the idea of Superman not being loved immediately is a very interesting concept.
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    Old 04-22-2015, 07:00 PM   #1056
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    Who cares about comic book nerds. They will make up a small percentage of the overall BO anyway.
    Who cares about the overall BO anyway?
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    Old 04-22-2015, 07:01 PM   #1057
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    Motherfuckers following comic book movies' box office/rotten tomatos scores like they were competing sports franchises or something. Just watch movies you enjoy, Jesus Christ.
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    Motherfuckers following comic book movies' box office/rotten tomatos scores like they were competing sports franchises or something. Just watch movies you enjoy, Jesus Christ.
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    Old 04-24-2015, 07:58 PM   #1059
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    http://batman-news.com/2015/04/24/fi...suicide-squad/

    Holy shit!
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    Re: Man Of Steel 2/Superman vs Batman (2015)

    already posted in the Suicide Squad thread

    not a fan, personally. I'll still see SS because other elements are interesting, but I don't like Leto or the look of his Joker.
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    Talk about overdone and trying too hard. Terrible first pic.


    Hopefully will be good Leto-acting tho.
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    Re: Man Of Steel 2/Superman vs Batman (2015)

    Superman and Zod demolish Metropolis in MoS: absolute travesty

    Avengers bend NY over and completely fuck it: meh, that's just fine

    I don't find this to be fair
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    Superman and Zod demolish Metropolis in MoS: absolute travesty

    Avengers bend NY over and completely fuck it: meh, that's just fine

    I don't find this to be fair
    Maybe Tony Stark has enough money to rebuild New York? Does Superman have that kind of money? That's just my opinion though.
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    Superman and Zod demolish Metropolis in MoS: absolute travesty

    Avengers bend NY over and completely fuck it: meh, that's just fine

    I don't find this to be fair
    people are dumb
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    Superman and Zod demolish Metropolis in MoS: absolute travesty

    Avengers bend NY over and completely fuck it: meh, that's just fine

    I don't find this to be fair
    This always makes me laugh. "But in Avengers they show the heroes trying to save people!"

    Sooo I guess Supes saving all those kids on the bus, or all those guys on the oil rig, or being solely responsible for stopping Zod et al. from turning Earth into Krypton doesn't count then?
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    Superman and Zod demolish Metropolis in MoS: absolute travesty

    Avengers bend NY over and completely fuck it: meh, that's just fine

    I don't find this to be fair
    Funny you should bring this up. A buddy of mine brought up the same topic on another site yesterday. This was my response:

    Everyone complains about the destruction done in Man of Steel, but no one cares about any of the destruction in any of the Avengers movies really.

    Iron Man - practically took out anentire freeway fighting with Obidiah.
    The Incredible Hulk - quite a bit of destruction in NYC when he's fighting the Abomination.
    Iron Man 2 - the whole entire Stark Fair is destroyed in none other than what city? NYC again.
    Thor - they destroy an entire town out in New Mexico.

    then of course there's The Avengers - lets just say they destroyed about a 1/4 of the city.
    Thor 2 - a giant ship carves its way into London and a giant brawl goes on throughout the city.
    Cap 2 - not all their fault - but goodbye DC.
    Guardians of the Galaxy - it may not be an earth city - but they sure picked a bad spot to blow that giant ship up...right over the entire city.

    But Superman and Zod level a couple parts of an already EVACUATED city and its terrible.
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    Funny you should bring this up.
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    Superman and Zod demolish Metropolis in MoS: absolute travesty

    Avengers bend NY over and completely fuck it: meh, that's just fine

    I don't find this to be fair
    This horseshit again. The Avengers is basically a cartoon, MOS was a serious fantasy film. The amount of violence you can get away with in a movie is absolutely a function of the tone and genre of the film. When Bugs Bunny hits Porky Pig, you aren't concerned Porky is going to end up hospitalized and his children will starve.

    It's OK to have a giant fight in NYC in Avengers because that film can just say "don't worry, nobody got hurt!" and get away with it, because you're not supposed to take anything about Avengers seriously anyway. The Avengers is a comedy, it's only meant to be "fun," you're not meant to think about anything.

    But when you have a movie like MOS that asks to be taken seriously, that asks you to think about what's happening, that plays for stakes and asks you to interact with events as you would with real life events, then you can't just blow up a city and but then ask us to ignore the carnage.

    Those are the facts. On the opinion side, the battle of New York is a pretty well done sequence in Avengers, while the end fight in MOS is one of the most godawful special effects sequences to ever happen in a major motion picture. It is just so brutally fucking boring it's unreal, and it just goes on and on and on and on. The last hour of MOS is as close to walking out of a movie as I've ever gotten.

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    I still don't understand Tom, can you please let us know how you really feel?
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    I too have been a huge Batman fan for a long time and that's exactly why I think this has disaster written all over it. I truly hope I'm wrong but the trailer did nothing to inspire confidence.
    True. This movie looks like it will be way too "comic book-y" for me. That's why the Dark Knight trilogy was so good. It was nothing like a comic book. It wss dark, real, and had deep human themes with human elements. Nolan ruined me on comic book movies none are nearly as good as the Dark Knight movies.

    Suit looks kinda silly imo. Love Affleck but he doesn't seem like he would be Batman.
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    This horseshit again. The Avengers is basically a cartoon, MOS was a serious fantasy film. The amount of violence you can get away with in a movie is absolutely a function of the tone and genre of the film. When Bugs Bunny hits Porky Pig, you aren't concerned Porky is going to end up hospitalized and his children will starve.

    It's OK to have a giant fight in NYC in Avengers because that film can just say "don't worry, nobody got hurt!" and get away with it, because you're not supposed to take anything about Avengers seriously anyway. The Avengers is a comedy, it's only meant to be "fun," you're not meant to think about anything.

    But when you have a movie like MOS that asks to be taken seriously, that asks you to think about what's happening, that plays for stakes and asks you to interact with events as you would with real life events, then you can't just blow up a city and but then ask us to ignore the carnage.

    Those are the facts. On the opinion side, the battle of New York is a pretty well done sequence in Avengers, while the end fight in MOS is one of the most godawful special effects sequences to ever happen in a major motion picture. It is just so brutally fucking boring it's unreal, and it just goes on and on and on and on. The last hour of MOS is as close to walking out of a movie as I've ever gotten.
    As to the bolded, agree to disagree on this front, I thought Avengers was one of the most boring "action" movies I've ever watched, especially the final "Battle for New York". I was actually pretty well-invested up to that point in the MCU, I saw all the films leading up to it and was genuinely excited for Avengers, but was majorly disappointed in the final product. Nothing ever felt at stake in that movie. The best parts are when the heroes are fighting among each other, like in the forest or on the big sky-cruiser thing.

    I agree with your first few paragraphs, but I come to a different conclusion: I think it is that serious tone of MoS that makes you consider the implications, but I also think as a viewer one is much more seriously invested in the outcome where it's depicted so realistically (as realistic as a comic book movie can be), rather than in a "fun" (as you describe it) manner. I agree the end fight scene in MoS probably went on just a tad too long (literally by a minute or two), but I also thought it was much more compelling because there was a legitimate doubt, if you suspended belief, as to how or whether Superman would stop Zod and the other Kryptons.
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    Man of Steel doesn't ask the viewer to ignore its carnage, the destruction is the whole point.

    also because tom gets to repeat himself so do I; Avengers is bland and boring and Whedon-y and bad.
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    Old 04-27-2015, 05:35 PM   #1072
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    As to the bolded, agree to disagree on this front, I thought Avengers was one of the most boring "action" movies I've ever watched, especially the final "Battle for New York".
    Hey, sure, that's why I prefaced it as opinion.

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    Nothing ever felt at stake in that movie. The best parts are when the heroes are fighting among each other, like in the forest or on the big sky-cruiser thing.
    Yeah, that's the downside to Marvel's formula, nothing is ever at stake. Shit, the villains scheme to blow a planet up in GotG and the viewer is not asked to be particularly concerned, not even for a moment, about whether or not that happens. (Off topic: GotG sucked.)

    Even when the heroes were fighting each other in Avengers, was there ever a moment when you weren't completely sure nobody was going to get hurt and the whole thing would end in a tie?

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    I agree with your first few paragraphs, but I come to a different conclusion: I think it is that serious tone of MoS that makes you consider the implications, but I also think as a viewer one is much more seriously invested in the outcome where it's depicted so realistically (as realistic as a comic book movie can be), rather than in a "fun" (as you describe it) manner.
    I agree entirely that DC/MOS's approach should have resulted in much better action sequences than Avengers (cause MOS had actual suspense on its side). I just think they didn't manage to pull it off in MOS. In the Dark Knight trilogy they nailed it.



    But we agree comparing Battle of New York to Battle of Metropolis is apples and oranges, yes?
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    I agree entirely that DC/MOS's approach should have resulted in much better action sequences than Avengers (cause MOS had actual suspense on its side). I just think they didn't manage to pull it off in MOS. In the Dark Knight trilogy they nailed it.



    But we agree comparing Battle of New York to Battle of Metropolis is apples and oranges, yes?
    Fair enough, I respect that. I think MoS was very good, but not great, mostly because of the things you've already highlighted.

    And yes, I completely agree with the second bold. There's no sense in arguing which is objectively "better" because it's an entirely subjective inquiry. I just happen to prefer DC's.
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    I think the destruction in Man of Steel was necessary because it's going to tie into Dawn of Justice. I believe Dawn of Justice is going to show the repercussions of the destruction of Metropolis and the repercussions of having an alien among society. Humanity is going to be questioning whether or not they want Superman on this planet. I think this is an interesting take on the character.

    Also, Batman clearly isn't trusting of Superman yet, and that's why they're going to fight. For those that say that's silly because they're buddy/buddy in the comics, have you read any of the New 52? Batman doesn't trust Superman at all in Justice League: Origins. I like that it looks as if they're pulling elemtns from both the newer continuity and the old.
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    http://comicbook.com/2015/04/30/full...n-v-superman-/

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    Battfleck needs to stop at the corner barbershop for a shave.
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    Am I the only one wondering how the fuck Batman is supposed to fight superman?
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    Am I the only one wondering how the fuck Batman is supposed to fight superman?
    Yes, backread, check out a comic or just wait for the movie.
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    Looks so awesome. Legit looks like a comic book come to life.
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    Old 04-30-2015, 05:34 AM   #1080
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    Saw the funniest thing this morning

    Batman: Do you bleed?
    Superman: Do you shave?

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