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Old 09-20-2012, 12:29 PM   #29851
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I can't get over the leaps going to in which Obama is glared upon in a sanguine light.
what's going on here?
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    I know nothing about this tape of Romney nor the taper.
    Some anonymous taper who gave the clip to Jimmy Carter's grandson.
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    Old 09-20-2012, 02:24 PM   #29853
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    they can. and it's even better when we get to see it.
    we get to see the real person and their thoughts - - not the precanned garbage on stage.

    that's why this video is great.
    How so? Like Obama wanting to redistribute as much wealth as he possibly can or wants single payer HC is not a secret either.
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    How so? Like Obama wanting to redistribute as much wealth as he possibly can or wants single payer HC is not a secret either.
    Source on this?
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    How so? Like Obama wanting to redistribute as much wealth as he possibly can or wants single payer HC is not a secret either.
    hey rog.

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    Source on this?
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    Old 09-20-2012, 02:49 PM   #29856
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    Source on this?
    Why would you need a source?
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    Why would you need a source?
    Because I've never heard him say anything like that.
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    Old 09-20-2012, 03:01 PM   #29858
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    Because I've never heard him say anything like that.
    Have you heard him say he likes to breath?
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    Have you heard him say he likes to breath?
    He needs to breathe, not sure if he likes it. He was a smoker after all.
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    :lol

    It's partial tongue in cheek. If a video surfaced of Obama saying he believes in more than a "little bit" of income redistribution, no one in their right mind should be surprised. I'll take it a step further. If you don't believe that, you're lying to yourself.
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    :lol

    It's partial tongue in cheek. If a video surfaced of Obama saying he believes in more than a "little bit" of income redistribution, no one in their right mind should be surprised. I'll take it a step further. If you don't believe that, you're lying to yourself.
    ::prompterhug::

    I assumed you weren't being fully serious, hence my smoker comment.
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    Old 09-20-2012, 04:32 PM   #29862
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    It has nothing to do with anything. It's an excuse to dismiss what is an embarrassing insight into Romney's thinking and his worldview.

    Joe the plumber engaged the Obama. Obama said he is into wealth redistribution. Obama was judged for that by those who wanted to judge him for that. The incidentals about Joe the plumber didn't detract from the comments Obama made. After it was revealed the Joe the plumber wasn't shooting as straight as he claimed (i.e. he wasn't buying a business, or in the position to buy a business or whatever the hell it was) people jumped on Joe. That doesn't diminish the number of votes lost by Obama from his initial statement, despite how someone wants to spin it now.

    There's something really sad going on with the righties in this forum lately. I'm not criticizing or name calling, just observing the sadness in their posts - a desparation to find a conspiracy to ruin a good man rather than an admission that Romney is a shitty candidate.

    Romney's a shitty candidate. Kerry was a shitty candidate. McCain was a shitty candidate. Dole was a shitty candidate. Dukakis and Mondale were shitty candidates. Often a shitty candidate is the nominee. It's okay to admit it. It makes the loss easier to understand and leaves you with less rage.

    Obama's not a great President. I'll admit it. There's no conspiracy to make it seem he's not a great President. He just isn't. There's crazy people who say crazy shit about him, but that doesn't make him a bad leader. He owns that.
    I don't understand how a business guy who saved the 2002 Utah Olympics and the Big Dig is seen as a weak candidate.



    maybe he should just be a Robin Hood, amirite?
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    I don't understand how a business guy who saved the 2002 Utah Olympics and the Big Dig is seen as a weak candidate.


    maybe he should just be a Robin Hood, amirite?
    I'm not saying he hasn't accomplished anything. I'm not saying he's not a lovely human being. He's bad at running for President. He has offered no specifics in terms of an economic plan (I know Obama hasn't either - that doesn't change anything about what Romney has or hasn't done), he contradicts himself on a nearly daily basis (I'll repeal Obamacare, I'll keep parts of it), several of his "powerful" criticism of Obama (welfare, medicaid, embassy attacks) are based not on distortions but demonstrable untruths.

    Ronald Reagan was a great Presidential candidate. Bill Clinton was a great Presidential candidate. Barack Obama was a great Presidential candidate (but not a good President). Romney is not a good candidate. It's okay to admit it. You can vote for him with pride or shame or with a plugged nose. It matters in no way to me. Just don't make excuses for why he's going to lose. He's going to lose because people don't like, trust, or have faith in him based on his actions, words, and belief system. That's the way it always works in elections.
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    obama supporters so over confident. love it.
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    I don't believe you believe a lot of what is in that 2nd paragraph.

    I believe Obama will win but not at all for the reasons you outlined.
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    Old 09-20-2012, 05:04 PM   #29866
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    I'm not saying he hasn't accomplished anything. I'm not saying he's not a lovely human being. He's bad at running for President. He has offered no specifics in terms of an economic plan (I know Obama hasn't either - that doesn't change anything about what Romney has or hasn't done), he contradicts himself on a nearly daily basis (I'll repeal Obamacare, I'll keep parts of it), several of his "powerful" criticism of Obama (welfare, medicaid, embassy attacks) are based not on distortions but demonstrable untruths.

    Ronald Reagan was a great Presidential candidate. Bill Clinton was a great Presidential candidate. Barack Obama was a great Presidential candidate (but not a good President). Romney is not a good candidate. It's okay to admit it. You can vote for him with pride or shame or with a plugged nose. It matters in no way to me. Just don't make excuses for why he's going to lose. He's going to lose because people don't like, trust, or have faith in him based on his actions, words, and belief system. That's the way it always works in elections.


    I just don't see Romney as faulted as McCain (or Dukakis for us older folk)


    Maybe it's because the country is so divided now; moreso than under Bush, and maybe not as bad since 1860. It's just an odd time.
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    I just don't see Romney as faulted as McCain (or Dukakis for us older folk)


    Maybe it's because the country is so divided now; moreso than under Bush, and maybe not as bad since 1860. It's just an odd time.
    You're damn right about that.


    Dukakis. Sweet Jesus, what a disaster of a candidate.
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    You're damn right about that.


    Dukakis. Sweet Jesus, what a disaster of a candidate.
    Is be remiss if I didn't agree with your assessment of Dole. He was dicey
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    Did the US get a new flag?


    Must've missed that...
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    obama supporters so over confident. love it.
    Look at Nate Silver's numbers on the 538 blog, the best source out there for predicting the winner, and tell me what there's not to like for Obama supporters?

    It's not overconfidence, it's just the electoral map truth. Romney's path to 270 is damn near impossible if that campaign remains static for the next 2 months. At the end of the day the only thing that matters logistically is the GOTV efforts in the swing states...and ground game is what Obama's campaigns have done so well. The only unknown at this point is what kind of effect these voter suppression measures will have.
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    It has nothing to do with anything. It's an excuse to dismiss what is an embarrassing insight into Romney's thinking and his worldview.

    Joe the plumber engaged the Obama. Obama said he is into wealth redistribution. Obama was judged for that by those who wanted to judge him for that. The incidentals about Joe the plumber didn't detract from the comments Obama made. After it was revealed the Joe the plumber wasn't shooting as straight as he claimed (i.e. he wasn't buying a business, or in the position to buy a business or whatever the hell it was) people jumped on Joe. That doesn't diminish the number of votes lost by Obama from his initial statement, despite how someone wants to spin it now.

    There's something really sad going on with the righties in this forum lately. I'm not criticizing or name calling, just observing the sadness in their posts - a desparation to find a conspiracy to ruin a good man rather than an admission that Romney is a shitty candidate.

    Romney's a shitty candidate. Kerry was a shitty candidate. McCain was a shitty candidate. Dole was a shitty candidate. Dukakis and Mondale were shitty candidates. Often a shitty candidate is the nominee. It's okay to admit it. It makes the loss easier to understand and leaves you with less rage.

    Obama's not a great President. I'll admit it. There's no conspiracy to make it seem he's not a great President. He just isn't. There's crazy people who say crazy shit about him, but that doesn't make him a bad leader. He owns that.
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    I'm not saying he hasn't accomplished anything. I'm not saying he's not a lovely human being. He's bad at running for President. He has offered no specifics in terms of an economic plan (I know Obama hasn't either - that doesn't change anything about what Romney has or hasn't done), he contradicts himself on a nearly daily basis (I'll repeal Obamacare, I'll keep parts of it), several of his "powerful" criticism of Obama (welfare, medicaid, embassy attacks) are based not on distortions but demonstrable untruths.

    Ronald Reagan was a great Presidential candidate. Bill Clinton was a great Presidential candidate. Barack Obama was a great Presidential candidate (but not a good President). Romney is not a good candidate. It's okay to admit it. You can vote for him with pride or shame or with a plugged nose. It matters in no way to me. Just don't make excuses for why he's going to lose. He's going to lose because people don't like, trust, or have faith in him based on his actions, words, and belief system. That's the way it always works in elections.
    Well written.

    What a strange political time, starting in 2000
    2000: Popular Vote winner lost election because of controversy in a very close swing state, although he had other reasons he lost (not using Clinton, not winning his home state, not dealing with Nader)
    2004: Incumbent wins because of a terrorist attack & shitty candidate, in an election that without both of those, he would of gotten trounced
    2008: First black President elected with the highest popular vote % in 20 years against a candidate that crossed the aisle probably more than any other politician
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    I agree with everyone, its over.

    Unless the President says something crazy like he can't fix Washington as president, but he'd never say that...
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    Old 09-21-2012, 05:51 AM   #29873
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    I agree with everyone, its over.

    Unless the President says something crazy like he can't fix Washington as president, but he'd never say that...
    No he just does an interpretive dance of it every day when he rolls into work
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    I don't understand how a business guy who saved the 2002 Utah Olympics and the Big Dig is seen as a weak candidate.



    maybe he should just be a Robin Hood, amirite?

    Neither being a businessman nor anything having to do with the Olympics are necessary or sufficient qualities to make a good President, and therefore a good candidate.
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    Neither being a businessman nor anything having to do with the Olympics are necessary or sufficient qualities to make a good President, and therefore a good candidate.
    That logic doesn't imply or assert that I think that Romney is a bad candidate.

    It just implies and asserts that if he is a good candidate, those are not the reasons why.
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    That logic doesn't imply or assert that I think that Romney is a bad candidate.

    It just implies and asserts that if he is a good candidate, those are not the reasons why.
    True. the last "businessman President" (Dubya) was one of the worse foreign policy (well worse overall) Presidents in our nation's history.
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    Qualities that I think DO make for a good candidate include high intelligence, education, compassion, and strength of moral character.
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    True. the last "businessman President" (Dubya) was one of the worse foreign policy (well worse overall) Presidents in our nation's history.
    Our Embassy in Libya was just attacked and 4 American's were killed. How is Obama doing in that category? He is asking foreign leaders to give him space until after the elections! I would say he is just as bad as Bush was. Also when did having money be such a stigma? Usually people in that position are there for a reason, I don't know many dumb rich people, poor people on the other hand...
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    Our Embassy in Libya was just attacked and 4 American's were killed. How is Obama doing in that category? He is asking foreign leaders to give him space until after the elections! I would say he is just as bad as Bush was. Also when did having money be such a stigma? Usually people in that position are there for a reason, I don't know many dumb rich people, poor people on the other hand...
    There are lots of stupid rich people. It doesn't take any intelligence to be born into a wealthy family.
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    Our Embassy in Libya was just attacked and 4 American's were killed. How is Obama doing in that category? He is asking foreign leaders to give him space until after the elections! I would say he is just as bad as Bush was. Also when did having money be such a stigma? Usually people in that position are there for a reason, I don't know many dumb rich people, poor people on the other hand...
    I totally agree with you that Obama's foreign policy has been one of the biggest disappointments - I personally didn't think he was going to follow Dubya's foreign policy.
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