Carter Beauford vs. Jon Fishman

[Heelslm05]

Obviously this is a home game for Carter, being this is AM, but how would you all compare them in terms of eliteness? My vote is Carter and by a good margin.

I love Phish and think Fishman is great but I just don't see it when my friends say Fishman is a top 5 drummer in the game.

[drop2d]

You can't be serious?

A. This is a DMB fan site
B. Really?

[Heelslm05]

Originally Posted by drop2d

You can't be serious?

A. This is a DMB fan site
B. Really?

Confused as to why you're so confused? A fun question that I was curious to hear everyone's thoughts about the comparison, being both of these bands have been consistently associated for years.

How dare I post something on the board other than a complaint about shows, albums, or how loud Tim is turned up in the mix. Hope I didn't ruin your day, guy.

[chadizzy1]

Carter.
/thread

[coldengrey12]

Yeah, Carter and it's not close.

One is generally considered one of the better rock drummers of all time and one is the dude after whom Phish is named.

[bowa36]

....and Carter Beauford on the drums *crowd goes wild*

[chadizzy1]

Originally Posted by bowa36

....and Carter Beauford on the drums *crowd goes wild*

http://youtu.be/kqJ3o8nq2pI?t=10m2s

[bowa36]

Knew it was gonna be that before I even clicked it.

[birdsfan09]

DMB and Phish are my two favorite bands, so there's the disclaimer.
Love them both, but they have totally different styles of playing. Fish compliments the loose, improv based sound of Phish. We all know what Carter brings to the table. I'd say Carter is more talented, but I love them both.

[420th jimi]

Beauford

[willndmb]

Originally Posted by coldengrey12

Yeah, Carter and it's not close.

One is generally considered one of the better rock drummers of all time and one is the dude after whom Phish is named.

Pretty much

[nick997k]

make it against John Bonham from Zeppelin and it's a competition.

But - Fishman...Really?

[dancheatham]

I don't think Fishman is as good as Carter, but he is very underappreciated, IMO. He does a lot of really subtle stuff that's great but easy to miss if you're not really listening.

[drop2d]

Originally Posted by Heelslm05

Confused as to why you're so confused? A fun question that I was curious to hear everyone's thoughts about the comparison, being both of these bands have been consistently associated for years.

How dare I post something on the board other than a complaint about shows, albums, or how loud Tim is turned up in the mix. Hope I didn't ruin your day, guy.

Oh, I wasn't confused. It's just a really dumb question for the 2 reasons I stated. 51% is "why bother with this question on a DMB board" and 110% is "Really? It's pretty clear that Carter is a better drummer."

So, yeah, that's it. Didn't ruin my day... there's just no real conversation to be had. You want to compare Carter to Mike Portnoy, Tim Alexander, Neil Peart, Mike Mangini, John Bonham (no order specific to goodness nor a complete list of awesome drummers), sure go ahead... but Fishman? Give me a break.

[1yankeesfan]

This isn't going to go well lol

Carter by a long shot.

[bartender_man]

Can't stand Phish...

[canes101190]

Both serve very, very different purposes. Love 'em both. Impossible to pick one, so I'll just go with Kris Myers.

Those saying it "isn't close" need to do more listening.

[cooke726]

NOT.EVEN.IN.THE.SAME.CONVERSATION.....Carter is one of the greatest drummers of all time, One could argue him next to the Jon Bonham's of the world. Fishman isnt extraordinary

[willndmb]

Originally Posted by canes101190

Those saying it "isn't close" need to do more listening.

http://www.totaldrumsets.com/best-rock-drummers-2.html just one example
Carter #29
Fishman not listed, prob came in at 101
Seriously though I have never seen any talk of best drummers that had fishman rated let alone close to carter.

[MikeyCarson40]

Originally Posted by Heelslm05

Obviously this is a home game for Carter, being this is AM, but how would you all compare them in terms of eliteness? My vote is Carter and by a good margin.

I love Phish and think Fishman is great but I just don't see it when my friends say Fishman is a top 5 drummer in the game.

Both are fantastic drummers. Two completely different styles, but skill wise Carter is the better drum.

[Austin2641]

Carter is considered top 15 all time so....yeah Carter.

[davem#36]

Carter for me but anyone who thinks fishman is "just the dude from phish" is very mistaken he is incredible and is great inthe pocket. Somthing carter has forgotten about Latly it seems.

[davem#36]

Originally Posted by cooke726

NOT.EVEN.IN.THE.SAME.CONVERSATION.....Carter is one of the greatest drummers of all time, One could argue him next to the Jon Bonham's of the world. Fishman isnt extraordinary

Bonham? Really? Carter and bonham couldn't be any more different. Fishmans cymbal work and different time changes is up there with the best ever.this board is funny. Anytime a "best of" list that doesn't include DMB or maybe doesn't rank them high enough people complain but on a topic like this they are ok. List when it comes to music/muscians are fucking ridiculous.

[davem#36]

Originally Posted by dancheatham

I don't think Fishman is as good as Carter, but he is very underappreciated, IMO. He does a lot of really subtle stuff that's great but easy to miss if you're not really listening.

Finally a real answer. You people have no idea of what you're talking about and obviously have never picked up sticks.

[Roose13]

They're too different drummers, both absolutely phenomenal. I've listened to a lot of Phish the last three years after being such a big DMB fan, and Fishman is incredibly important to what Phish is able to do with its sound. I don't even need to explain Carter's talents.

So no, it is close like a lot of the ignorant posts in this thread fail to acknowledge. Neither are better and both are incredible in their own way.

[jray1823]

Fishman couldn't fill a Starbucks if it wasn't for Phish.

[drop2d]

Haha... I was drunk yesterday. I think that and my disdain for Phish took me off the rail for a moment.

What I would normally say to say is... there are not 'better' or 'bests' when it comes to music, only favorites. If someone likes Fishman more, by all means, that is their choice.

[bowa36]

Originally Posted by Roose13

They're too different drummers, both absolutely phenomenal. I've listened to a lot of Phish the last three years after being such a big DMB fan, and Fishman is incredibly important to what Phish is able to do with its sound. I don't even need to explain Carter's talents.

So no, it is close like a lot of the ignorant posts in this thread fail to acknowledge. Neither are better and both are incredible in their own way.

I like to look at it this way too, especially with drummers, but with musicians in general. Everybody just speaks in a different way. There isn't an objective "better" or "best", but I do prefer Carter's drumming. As a drummer myself, he is very inspirational to me.

[bowa36]

Originally Posted by drop2d

Haha... I was drunk yesterday. I think that and my disdain for Phish took me off the rail for a moment.

What I would normally say to say is... there are not 'better' or 'bests' when it comes to music, only favorites. If someone likes Fishman more, by all means, that is their choice.

Didn't even see this before I posted

[coldengrey12]

Fishman is serviceable. He's good for what his role in the band requires. He's just not in Carter's league.

The biggest criticism I have of Carter is that he tries to do too much sometimes. There are some songs where he could back off a little and it'd be better. But that's nitpicking.