Bow Drops

[Bperry731]

this may very well be the most pointless thread ive ever seen on ants.

[Coker]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

Sink was delivered

Can't wait to see the new sink!!!!

[Dannyyankou]

Originally Posted by Bperry731

this may very well be the most pointless thread ive ever seen on ants.

Wrong.

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/sh...d.php?t=306731

[Hilly]

Originally Posted by Gene Parmesan

I've been a fan of the music since 97. I don't know these people. It is nothing but sentimentality to want them to stay together forever just because. If they can improve the players, why not? Especially if the product has suffered. There was a time I thought Boyd was irreplaceable, the last few years has changed my mind on that.

So, ultimately, you'd be happier with a cover band of all younger, more talented individuals?

[Bperry731]

ahhh the good ol' poop thread

[Luv4Roi]

Originally Posted by aparker507

His bus was a cloud in Southaven too. I've never smelled what came out of that bus

You mean you've never smelled bud like that? Or you think it was something else? Maybe opium? That would make sense with how out there he's been recently.

[DMBzilla]

Originally Posted by KevinTH5

Until Boyd Tinsley tweets or says in an interview what's going on none of us will no. But, if I had to take a guess I would say there's a serious problem with the guy. I just hope that it's being dealt with. I like to think that a group of guys that have been together for over 20 years could have some balls and say, "Look, BT, what is going on? You're dropping your bow, your playing has become so bad that we have to mute you half the time. What can we do to help?" Though nothing has changed over the past 4 years or so, so it looks like we're stuck with what we got.

I don't know if there's actually a problem, or if Boyd's abilities are just failing him. I won't speculate on either because it isn't fair to him.

But if something's up that can be corrected, the bold is so much easier said than done. In the history of music there have been countless examples of someone struggling with whatever (fame, addiction, medical conditions, etc) where the band, management, whoever simply did not help. Garcia, Cobain, Winehouse, Hoon -- in each of these cases it was well known that there were issues and no one could reach the afflicted in time. Hell, when Phish broke up it was Trey who spearheaded it, and he was the one with the biggest problem.

It's weird and seems kind of stupid, but there's definitely a "everything's fine" mentality in music that you don't really see in other facets of the world.

[Luv4Roi]

Originally Posted by ForkInFork

I'm not sure why most people are saying drugs is the unlikely scenario here. That dude smokes so much god damn weed. I've seen him smoking on stage at Hartford, but I'm not sure if it was weed or a cigarette.

I was here when this happened, and the guy was fucking blitzed. There was a literal cloud of smoke when his tour bus door opened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mytWZ3h29Bw

"its like an endless pool of magic"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_mKlaOGeBY

Sure, no drugs involved there....

Hahahahaa.... "ARE THOSE FUCKINGG DONUTS?!!!"

[TehCreekFluff]

Originally Posted by Luv4Roi

Hahahahaa.... "ARE THOSE FUCKINGG DONUTS?!!!"

At the Riverbend gathering Boyd said "Anyone got some fucking cookies?" A min later someone hands him a box of Oreos. He proceeds to sign it and hands it back. Guy says, " I thought you wanted some cookies?" Boyd says," Shit man! Cookies are fucking awesome!"

[Gene Parmesan]

Originally Posted by Hilly

So, ultimately, you'd be happier with a cover band of all younger, more talented individuals?

I'm not saying they should replace anyone just if there is a better musician out there, but if your violinist cannot play his parts anymore, you need to at least consider replacing him. Are there better drummers than Carter? Maybe. Should he be replaced? Hell no. His performance is not affecting the music in a negative way at all. Boyd's has for years now, and if it's something as stupid as drugs or disinterest, than I expect the rest of the band to be smart enough to know that their livelihood is at stake for no good reason. If it is a health issue, I see the band as being a lot more sympathetic and willing to sacrifice performance for it and work around it. That's why I would think it is a degenerative health issue that has been hurting Boyd's performance and not drugs or indifference.

Or maybe he has always been hit or miss and lately his batting average has dropped. But it seems to me when I first started seeing this band in the nineties you could enjoy Boyd on a lot more than 2 or 3 songs a night.

[Gene Parmesan]

Originally Posted by TehCreekFluff

At the Riverbend gathering Boyd said "Anyone got some fucking cookies?" A min later someone hands him a box of Oreos. He proceeds to sign it and hands it back. Guy says, " I thought you wanted some cookies?" Boyd says," Shit man! Cookies are fucking awesome!"

At the Woodlands gathering it was cupcakes. Maybe he is getting diabetes.

[kmb40oz]

I know these situations are much different but during Clarence Clemon's final years with the Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band he was basically a shell of his former self. Barely played any extended solos and would sit or lean off to the side of the stage. He wasn't adding much to anything musically to the band but he was "The Big Man" and the crowd adored him.

Of course this is all speculation with Boyd, but Clemon's was limited to serve health complications but kept on being a part of the show. His presence alone was worth it having him on stage in his black hat and long coat. Boyd brings a similar presence to the band, having him off to the side of the stage with his dreds flowing as he plays along to the songs and his occasional Dave and Boyd jam out is what he's all about. The bow drops are a problem and his "skrees" take away from the song but his presence alone over comes those flaws.

[cmorto99]

Originally Posted by TehCreekFluff

At the Riverbend gathering Boyd said "Anyone got some fucking cookies?" A min later someone hands him a box of Oreos. He proceeds to sign it and hands it back. Guy says, " I thought you wanted some cookies?" Boyd says," Shit man! Cookies are fucking awesome!"

[jillyjo1]

Originally Posted by DMBzilla

It's weird and seems kind of stupid, but there's definitely a "everything's fine" mentality in music that you don't really see in other facets of the world.

I think it's more like there's an "everything's fine" mentality in families. These guys, and most bands that have been together for as long as they have, are a family and they have all of the problems that come with that. It might sound easy to us for the band to basically have an intervention with Boyd, but I guarantee you there is A LOT going on between everyone that we just have no clue about. There is no easy solution and I imagine every single guy on stage, plus some management and crew, are struggling with what's going on up there.

This thread also reminds me of an interview I read with Dave once where he said that if Roi had passed immediately after the accident, that might well have been the end of DMB. It was only because they thought he was coming back that they were able to go on.

[wlperie]

Originally Posted by TehCreekFluff

At the Riverbend gathering Boyd said "Anyone got some fucking cookies?" A min later someone hands him a box of Oreos. He proceeds to sign it and hands it back. Guy says, " I thought you wanted some cookies?" Boyd says," Shit man! Cookies are fucking awesome!"

[TrippinNancies1]

I'm just thinking Boyd got himself some crazy good Aussie ganja

[UCFish]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

this was supposed to be a text to my wife. I really dropped the bow there.

[ForkInFork]

Originally Posted by ForkInFork

"its like an endless pool of magic"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_mKlaOGeBY

Sure, no drugs involved there....

Not saying I know what it is, but just throwing it out there. Is that a little pocket mirror on the table at 4:41? Whats on it? I seriously cant tell

[TehCreekFluff]

Damn, that doesn't look good lol Quite ironic. Faces in the Mirror.

[41Wooten]

Originally Posted by jillyjo1

This thread also reminds me of an interview I read with Dave once where he said that if Roi had passed immediately after the accident, that might well have been the end of DMB. It was only because they thought he was coming back that they were able to go on.

I've never heard about that. Interesting.

[sheldonlevene]

That hotel room pacing video essentially tells you all you need to know. Also the comments are great.

[aparker507]

I agree with the hotel comment. Very very odd.

[Colin]

Originally Posted by wlperie

American Baby was a hit, so more like 9 years. Read somewhere on here that it was their highest charting song.

Beyond that, their success has never been based on hits. They are a jamband known for kickass live shows and extensive touring. I don't think mainstream radio success has ever meant much to them.

Pretty much every single from What Would You Say through Where Are You Going was big on mainstream radio. They were able to sell out multiple nights at football stadiums during that run. They have not done that since. So I'd say their success was very much based on hits. They would not have the smaller but still very sizable following they still have today if it wasn't for their mainstream success in the '90s and early 2000s.

[ShotgunDMB]

I like Boyd. He's a cool dude. As a musician though he's always been in the weakest in the band. Doesn't seem like takes it very serious and he hasn't really improved over the years.

[wlperie]

Originally Posted by Colin

Pretty much every single from What Would You Say through Where Are You Going was big on mainstream radio. They were able to sell out multiple nights at football stadiums during that run. They have not done that since. So I'd say their success was very much based on hits. They would not have the smaller but still very sizable following they still have today if it wasn't for their mainstream success in the '90s and early 2000s.

You're correct. I just don't feel their legitimacy as a band should be largely derived by how many mainstream hits they have or how often they have them, especially if they don't really seem particularly focused on creating them. Their legitimacy should come from the fact that they still draw crowds of ten thousand+ to amphitheaters 50-60 times a year, 9 years after having their last mainstream hit.

But yes, I understand that a large portion of these folks were turned on by the radio hits.

[coolhotwaves]

Boyd should do a bow drop after a killer solo and just walk off stage.

[swordo84]

Originally Posted by Carpenter41

Boyd is a good soloist but that's all a matter of opinion. And the Band doesn't see their fans as customers. If you think that you clearly don't know much about the band.

Noooooooope.

[crashintonickdm]

im worried for boyd.

[kb317]

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

im worried for boyd.

Same here. Regardless of the reason (drugs, medical, whatever it may be) it's still upsetting

[sheldonlevene]

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

im worried for boyd.

I go between being worried and annoyed. Obviously I'm not annoyed to the point I won't listen to recordings etc., but it's a bit frustrating to go to a show when he's either not audible (for good reason apparently), or plays off pitch and skrees around stage and misses queues.

If it turns out to be a legit mental thing, or a bad drug thing then I'd obviously change my tune.