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Old 03-07-2016, 04:51 PM   #91
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Classic Tannenbaum giving up draft picks for two guys another team had immediate buyer's remorse on.
Dolphins really are one of the worst run franchises in sports.
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    It's such a wonder how the nfce will look year in and year out.
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    Old 03-07-2016, 06:32 PM   #93
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    Re: NFL Draft 2016 / NFL Offseason Thread

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    Very glad we rid ourselves of Maxwell's ridiculous contract....

    Since Kiko was still on his rookie deal and a non-factor salary cap wise I would've liked to of seen him get one more year. Especially under Schwartz

    In Howie we trust?
    I agree about Kiko, with how cheap he was there was no reason to trade him- see how he does a year removed from the injury

    that said, there's a good chance Miami wasn't going to make the trade without Kiko, he represents the upside of the deal
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    he was sarcastic. we dont trust Howie
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    Old 03-08-2016, 04:17 AM   #94
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    Re: NFL Draft 2016 / NFL Offseason Thread

    I believe Kiko was traded because he is a LB in a 3-4 scheme and the Eagles under Schwartz are movin to a 4-3.. I know they had a lot invested in Murray and he was unhappy which is even more of a reason to trade him then the money, but I was interested to see how he was going to perform in a regular NFL offseason like they will run now.

    Also all these moves aside, If roseman screws up the draft these moves won't mean all that much in the long run.
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    Old 03-08-2016, 06:05 AM   #95
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    I agree about Kiko, with how cheap he was there was no reason to trade him- see how he does a year removed from the injury

    that said, there's a good chance Miami wasn't going to make the trade without Kiko, he represents the upside of the deal


    he was sarcastic. we dont trust Howie

    With Kiko gone does Barwin play LB instead of END now?

    and yes I was absolutely being sarcastic!
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    Philly working quickly to remove all reminders of the Chip Kelly mistake.
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    Megatron retires.

    Lions need to trade Stafford and start from scratch. Let a young QB grow with Abdullah and draft a WR.
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    Megatron retires.

    Lions need to trade Stafford and start from scratch. Let a young QB grow with Abdullah and draft a WR.
    Yeah they are in that no-man's land where Stafford isn't old but are you gonna be able to turn it around real quick or will it take time and by the time you (hope) to be good, will he be too old to do it? My only thing is Stafford showed what he could do the 2nd half of last year, is there really anything out there you can guarantee will be better or close to him? QB is such a crap shoot.
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    Old 03-08-2016, 08:24 AM   #99
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    I mean maybe you just ride it out with Stafford and hope Golden Tate can become the man, but Stafford is a free agent next year so you're either going to waste a year playing him then lose him or sign him to huge money when you're trying to rebuild. I'd personally rather dump him and start the process ASAP.
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    Re: NFL Draft 2016 / NFL Offseason Thread

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    Megatron retires.

    Lions need to trade Stafford and start from scratch. Let a young QB grow with Abdullah and draft a WR.
    Really dumb opinion. We're better off with the cap space. No WR is that important.

    Edit: Stafford will get paid by the Lions a ton of money, everyone will freak out and forget how valuable and scare starting QBs are.

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    Really dumb opinion. We're better off with the cap space. No WR is that important.

    Edit: Stafford will get paid by the Lions a ton of money, everyone will freak out and forget how valuable and scare starting QBs are.
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    Re: NFL Draft 2016 / NFL Offseason Thread

    Raiders look like they are ready to turn the corner from rebuild to playoff team.. I think Derek Carr is legit.. anyone think they can overtake DEN or KC in the west?
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    Re: NFL Draft 2016 / NFL Offseason Thread

    probably not, but I don't think it's ridiculous to think they could compete for a playoff spot
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    Raiders look like they are ready to turn the corner from rebuild to playoff team.. I think Derek Carr is legit.. anyone think they can overtake DEN or KC in the west?
    They have the best long term option at QB right now in their division.

    Don't trust Brock. Phillip will retire in a few years and Alex Smith is not getting any younger.
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    Old 03-08-2016, 11:52 AM   #105
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    great signing by jacksonville
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    bills are paying the jags o-line coach 4 million this year.

    that will be a tough one for the aliens to figure out.
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    They have the best long term option at QB right now in their division.

    Don't trust Brock. Phillip will retire in a few years and Alex Smith is not getting any younger.
    Im not ready to say that the Raiders are a better team than the Chiefs or Broncos...but damn Oakland has a great young core.

    Carr, L Murray, Khalil Mack, Amari Cooper, Sio Moore, etc etc.

    Wouldn't be surprised if they stole a wildcard spot next season at all
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    LOL Mike Tomlin
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    Old 03-08-2016, 01:01 PM   #108
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    Re: NFL Draft 2016 / NFL Offseason Thread

    Eagles sign Leodis McKelvin.... decent short term value I suppose
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    Re: NFL Draft 2016 / NFL Offseason Thread

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    Good response.
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    Good response.
    About as good a response as insinuating Megatron was just a ho-hum piece to the puzzle.
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    Lions should just restart... Or not. I guess as a Packers fan, it doesn't really matter much. They're not much of a competitor year in and year out. Plus, Stafford loves giving the ball away. I'll gladly take more INTs.
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    About as good a response as insinuating Megatron was just a ho-hum piece to the puzzle.
    Yeah, you saw some highlights, I watched his entire career. I'm sure you've got a better handle on it than me. The cap number was too high, for any receiver. Would rather have three 8mm receivers than one 24mm one.
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    Lions should just restart... Or not. I guess as a Packers fan, it doesn't really matter much. They're not much of a competitor year in and year out. Plus, Stafford loves giving the ball away. I'll gladly take more INTs.
    Don't be silly. Why would the Lions restart? I mean yea, they just lost their best player and the key cog to their offense, but why would they restart? They have a QB that is 0-2 in the playoffs over 7 years with one of the best WR in the league that is either going to walk after this season or they'll have to overpay badly.

    Just stay the course man. It's been working out well so far.
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    Yeah, you saw some highlights, I watched his entire career. I'm sure you've got a better handle on it than me. The cap number was too high, for any receiver. Would rather have three 8mm receivers than one 24mm one.
    That would be cool and all... if the best free agent WR available wasn't Travis Benjamin.
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    That would be cool and all... if the best free agent WR available wasn't Travis Benjamin.
    I don't see how that's relevant. You don't try to replace a HOFer with a HOFer. Maybe you focus on depth on another part of the team.

    Same thing when we lost Suh, I thought it was great.

    And there isn't a reset button in football like there is in baseball.
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    I don't see how that's relevant. You don't try to replace a HOFer with a HOFer. Maybe you focus on depth on another part of the team.

    Same thing when we lost Suh, I thought it was great.

    And there isn't a reset button in football like there is in baseball.
    It's relevant because you're justifying the positives of losing Calvin's cap number by saying you'd rather have three guys dividing up that money. That's irrelevant, considering it's not an option. Also, his cap hit wasn't $24 mil.

    If you wanna make the rest of the team better, that's fine. But you're gonna have to leave AT LEAST $20 mil available for Stafford (which is absurd) next year. To cap it off... Stafford isn't that good.

    So you have a QB that isn't too good, losing his best target, who is either going to walk or get overpaid. To me, that sounds like an alarm to start the rebuilding process.
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    Bills resigned Incognito for 3/15.7. Williams went to MIA for 2/??.
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    It's relevant because you're justifying the positives of losing Calvin's cap number by saying you'd rather have three guys dividing up that money. That's irrelevant, considering it's not an option. Also, his cap hit wasn't $24 mil.

    If you wanna make the rest of the team better, that's fine. But you're gonna have to leave AT LEAST $20 mil available for Stafford (which is absurd) next year. To cap it off... Stafford isn't that good.

    So you have a QB that isn't too good, losing his best target, who is either going to walk or get overpaid. To me, that sounds like an alarm to start the rebuilding process.
    1) There are many ways of spending that money, the one I listed of of those options I would prefer over CJ.

    2) His 2016 cap hit was 24mm, they won't get all of that freed because of bonuses, but you are factually wrong about what his cap number was, because again, what are the odds you know more about this than me?

    http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf...potential.html

    3) That number is only absurd if you don't understand how salaries work in the NFL. He's a bona fide starting QB, that's what they get. Keeping him likely brings more return than trading him or letting him walk.

    4) What would a rebuilding process look like? Do you trade Stafford for picks? What is the likely return? Who else do you trade?

    5) Furthermore, we went 3-0 in 2014, the last time that CJ missed time. Because even the best WR on the planet isn't that big of a difference between a replacement level player, let alone a legit starter.
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    Raiders look like they are ready to turn the corner from rebuild to playoff team.. I think Derek Carr is legit.. anyone think they can overtake DEN or KC in the west?
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    Im not ready to say that the Raiders are a better team than the Chiefs or Broncos...but damn Oakland has a great young core.

    Carr, L Murray, Khalil Mack, Amari Cooper, Sio Moore, etc etc.

    Wouldn't be surprised if they stole a wildcard spot next season at all
    Huh? He was traded to Indy last year just before the start of the season.

    I need to see what happens with Denver's QB situation. Osweiller leaving would be huge. Who would their backup plan be? Their defense is going to take some huge hits in FA, too. If they can at least get a game manager (assuming they lose Osweiller), they're the favorites, but I think the margin is pretty small.

    I don't see KC taking a step forward because I'm not convinced Andy Reid can ever get out of his own way. Oakland could win the division, but right now I feel pretty good about them at least making the playoffs. They did win in Denver last year (and lost at home).

    Looks like Osemele to Oakland. This line has potential. Should still probably grab a tackle in the first two rounds and/or resign Penn to 1-2 year deal:

    LT Penn,
    OG Jackson
    C Hudson
    RG/RT Osemele
    RG/RT ?

    I'm wondering what the Mario Williams deal means for Vernon? Did he come back to them with an offer that they won't come close to matching.

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    Bills resigned Incognito for 3/15.7. Williams went to MIA for 2/??.
    I think up to 10.5/yr? No guaranteed #'s out.
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