Oh My God!! There was ANOTHER terrorist attack in (insert location here)

[kydmb99]

Originally Posted by zajDmB1

I don't think one person in this thread has said that...so...I dunno what to say.

I guess you have our new friend Toast and Jelly on ignore. Although that still makes more sense than your "Maybe somali muslims wouldn't run over people and then stab them if they had outreach groups" idea.

[Route_2]

Originally Posted by kydmb99

So here's what the terrorists think of the "If America would just leave the mid east alone muslims would stop being radicalized" idea...

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrJoshPer...36394253946880

So the US was dumber than KSM could even imagine.

[scrock25]

Originally Posted by kydmb99

I guess you have our new friend Toast and Jelly on ignore. Although that still makes more sense than your "Maybe somali muslims wouldn't run over people and then stab them if they had outreach groups" idea.

You really can't help yourself can you?

[kydmb99]

Originally Posted by Route_2

So the US was dumber than KSM could even imagine.

Huh? He literally said Bush's response in Afganistan prevented him from being able to carry out more attacks.

[zajDmB1]

Originally Posted by kydmb99

I guess you have our new friend Toast and Jelly on ignore. Although that still makes more sense than your "Maybe somali muslims wouldn't run over people and then stab them if they had outreach groups" idea.

I don't think he's really saying much about leaving the mideast now. The bridge of bombing the shit out of an already fucked up region of the world and pissing people off has been crossed for a while now. We're beyond that point.

And yea, sorry for vaguely throwing out an idea that doesn't involve banning entire demographics of people from the country or nuking an entire region of the earth. How silly of me.

[DMBstandUP1984]

Originally Posted by kydmb99

Huh? He literally said Bush's response in Afganistan prevented him from being able to carry out more attacks.

I'd probably take most of what he says with a grain of salt

[gonz085]

Originally Posted by zajDmB1

Well yea, if you want to ban immigration all together .

I really don't think that will happen in any degree, even under Trump.

Not what I said or was implying.

[zajDmB1]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming the "that's" was supposed to be a "there's" just a mistype. So how could you possibly stop radicalization of immigrants happening "all together from the get go" if not just not allowing them in the country?

Because you never know how people will change. It's entirely possible that every single person who's killed in the name of ISIS or Islam that has lived here for a long period of time was just a crazy person and would have done so regardless of what was going on in the world. And it's also entirely possible that at least some of them WERE totally normal and then something made them snap. That's what scary about the radicalization that's going on now. It can happen to people who are not on our gov't's radar at all. They could pass every test with flying colors.

[gonz085]

Originally Posted by zajDmB1

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming the "that's" was supposed to be a "there's" just a mistype. So how could you possibly stop radicalization of immigrants happening "all together from the get go" if not just not allowing them in the country?

Because you never know how people will change. It's entirely possible that every single person who's killed in the name of ISIS or Islam that has lived here for a long period of time was just a crazy person and would have done so regardless of what was going on in the world. And it's also entirely possible that at least some of them WERE totally normal and then something made them snap. That's what scary about the radicalization that's going on now. It can happen to people who are not on our gov't's radar at all. They could pass every test with flying colors.

You're initial posts (which I'm not sure if you realize this or not) still pointed out that Islam has a major problem that needs to be dealt with in general. Stopping immigration isn't going to fix that.

And to the bold, if that were the case then it would happen with at least a similar if not more vehement frequency with other religions on a regular basis as well, which correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not.

[jcc522]

https://www.facebook.com/myiannopoul...1646974306533/

[zajDmB1]

Originally Posted by gonz085

You're initial posts (which I'm not sure if you realize this or not) still pointed out that Islam has a major problem that needs to be dealt with in general. Stopping immigration isn't going to fix that.

And to the bold, if that were the case then it would happen with at least a similar if not more vehement frequency with other religions on a regular basis as well, which correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not.

What were you referring to in your post then? I guess I was/am confused.

To the rest, I know I was saying that about Islam. I think you, and a couple other people think I'm arguing something different than I am. As much as I may defend Muslims in some sense, specifically when the right is attacking them, I think all religions are equally stupid. So yes, I have no problem saying there are major problems that need to be fixed.

So my point (a point by the way that was a random post on a message board, so it's not some finished draft of a plan I've been devising for months ) was that look; radical islam is a huge problem. While we probably can't stop the source, we can try to stop the people it affects. If you're a muslim immigrant, can't find a great job, have no family here, only a few friends, etc life is probably already kinda shitty, even if it is 20 steps up from where you were born. But if that continues, and/or other people are treating you like a lesser human, you'll start to look for places to turn. Unfortunately, one of those places is clearly radical Islam. So I think it's important to see if there are any commonalities.

My very first post in this discussion probably touched on race a little heavy-handed, but that was a reaction to a dumb tweet someone posted. But the point still stands. If there's any evidence that people who have lived here for some time become violent after being treated poorly, then that's something to address. And if we look into it and find that absolutely nothing happened to these people and they were treated like anyone else, than you can all go ahead and laugh in my face for being wrong if that would make you feel better, but at least we'd know it's not a problem.

TL/DR: I think radical islam's message is one problem, people buying into it is another, separate one. They do not have the same solution(s) so we cannot treat them as the same thing. The former is not something a largely Christian nation can solve; they won't care what we say. The latter is something we can certainly look for patterns to potentially stop/alleviate.

[DMBstandUP1984]

Milo still taking L's on twitter

[TwoStep2888]

lol Milo

[jcc522]

http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n...psceontsh5.jpg

[thebridge15]

I know people are the right are really pumped up by that take, but I don't even understand what his point is...at all

[Gene Parmesan]

BLM had a lot bigger effect on the election than is being talked about.

[jcc522]

White police aren't allowed to shoot any black people ever, even if they are actively akbaring on campus with a knife.

[thebridge15]

Originally Posted by jcc522

White police aren't allowed to shoot any black people ever, even if they are actively akbaring on campus with a knife.

is that what he's saying? I'm actually asking

[jmc419]

Originally Posted by jcc522

White police aren't allowed to shoot any black people ever, even if they are actively akbaring on campus with a knife.

BLM is such a disaster and your link is a good example as to why. Thanks for sharing.

[jcc522]

Originally Posted by thebridge15

is that what he's saying? I'm actually asking

Yes. He was saying don't call the police officer a hero for shooting the terrorist because the officer was white and the terrorist was black.

[scrock25]

Akbaring

[thebridge15]

speaking of, looks like they won't be filing charges against the officer that shot keith scott

looks like more riots incoming. cnn must be thrilled

[justink]

Originally Posted by thebridge15

speaking of, looks like they won't be filing charges against the officer that shot keith scott

looks like more riots incoming. cnn must be thrilled

is this the guy that had that "book" that totally looked like a pistol? good, fuck that guy.

[scrock25]

Jesus...

[thebridge15]

Originally Posted by justink

is this the guy that had that "book" that totally looked like a pistol? good, fuck that guy.

that's the one

not like anyone actually watched the video

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by scrock25

Jesus...

you said it

[gripes81]

Originally Posted by Gene Parmesan

BLM had a lot bigger effect on the election than is being talked about.

Agree 100%

[thebridge15]

huh? is that like saying that people voted for trump because they don't like the play hamilton?

[DMBstandUP1984]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12...in-berlin.html

[Julia Roberts]

This is the kind of talk that starts world wars:

The secret services of a NATO country is 'highly likely' to have been behind the assassination of ambassador Andrey Karlov, claimed a top ally of Vladimir Putin.

Senior senator Frantz Klintsevich, deputy chairman of the Russian upper chamber's defence and security committee, said: 'It was a planned action.