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They were good while they lasted, but I'm glad they are gone... 100 31.55%
I wish they were still around... 51 16.09%
There was nothing good about The Lovely Ladies whatsoever... 166 52.37%
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:12 AM   #91
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I never saw them and I am very thankful for that. I've never been a fan, I'm glad they're gone.
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    That's fair, but I'd like to see how many of those people still believe that they're "necessary" on any songs.
    that would be interesting.

    for the record, i've never been a fan of the "lovely ladies". i remember the first time i heard stay and just cringing.
    i feel they add no value to any song.
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    Re: The Lovely Ladies

    Starting to look like this might become this weeks Stand Up thread hahahaha.

    I remember the first time I heard #36 with the Ladies on Listeners Supported...absolutely ruined that song. I hate what they did to JTR as well. And oh man i completely forgot the destruction done to Best of Whats Around. I really dislike the Lovely Ladies and I'm glad they're gone. I don't see what having seen them in person vs. hearing the tape or seeing the DVD has to do with anything though. What's the difference?

    I can't argue that the band at least tried something new. There's nothing wrong with trying new things. When you're in a band as long as these guys have been, you just HAVE to try new things. So I get what they were trying, unfortunately it just didn't work with this band at all. I liked Stay and Busted Stuff with them but those songs don't come close to suffering without them.

    That said, enjoy battling this one out hahaha
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    Old 03-04-2013, 11:51 AM   #95
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    Remember the dance the LL's used to do during Fool To Think? My buddy and I used to call it the Rhyno Stomp. It was pretty sweet.

    I saw 12 (I think) shows in 01' I didn't mind the LL's, but I don't think any songs were made better because of them. I did enjoy them on LBV the most I would say. I guess Angel too, but only because the LL's were the best part of that abomonation of a song. Angel blows, the beauty of the LL's voices at the end does not blow. I get that it extended a horrible song much longer than it needed to be, but anyone who can't appreciate what the LL's did vocally at the end of Angel is just missing something and I feel sorry for them.
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    Old 03-04-2013, 11:59 AM   #96
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    That is an asinine comparison.
    Is it!!!

    Your point of view is silly: you actually think that you cannot enjoy something but then be glad it's over/different now?
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    I never really had a problem with their performances. Near the end there, when they started singing on classics like Best of What's Around, it was a little much. But for the most part, they were fine. The bigger problem was, they hurt the variety of setlists. At any given show, you could easily guess a half dozen or so of the songs you'd hear.
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    Again, set list variety is an issue that DMB struggles with almost every year. On a given tour, you've always been able to guess about a half dozen songs you'll hear at a show. There have been very few years where the sets have been truly unpredictable. Like maybe 2.

    The Lovely Ladies leaving never changed anything about set list variety. It just changed which songs became regulars and which songs went back on the shelf.
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    Old 03-04-2013, 12:22 PM   #99
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    Is it!!!

    Your point of view is silly: you actually think that you cannot enjoy something but then be glad it's over/different now?
    Yes, it is.

    And the problem comes in the wording of the first poll option, because it contradicts itself. Saying that something "was good while it lasted" implies that you didn't want that something to end, or would like it back. For example, as a senior Warehouse member, I might say, "The all-seniority ticketing process was good while it lasted."

    Meanwhile, saying you're glad something is gone implies that you no longer wanted it around, which makes me wonder whether you actually liked that thing in the first place. I get saying you're okay with them being gone, or accept that they're gone, but to say you're "glad they are gone" has a very negative connotation.

    Either way, regardless of the results of this poll, I remember the actual fan reaction to their departure, and it was overwhelmingly positive. Hell, the man responsible for introducing them in the first place admits it was a huge mistake. I'm not sure what more information anyone needs.
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    Old 03-04-2013, 01:05 PM   #100
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    OP, I have two questions for you -

    1. Did you ever consider that something may be "under appreciated " because it's simply not very good?

    2. Why do you abbreviate DMB as dMb?
    1 - Like what? The 2001 tour? What was bad about it? The Everyday songs? It was an album tour. I don't go around here using the term "under appreciated" all that much. But as far as the 2001 tour goes, it is. It's not the best tour they've ever had, but it certainly didn't suck. And if you listen to shows from that tour, you'll realize that it's actually really good.

    2 - Because I want to. dMb actually started it. So if you don't like it, you should blame them.

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    2001 was definitely underappreciated, but it would've been much better without the Lovely Ladies.
    And it seems as if I'm not the only one who does.

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    Old 03-04-2013, 01:07 PM   #101
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    Yes, it is.

    And the problem comes in the wording of the first poll option, because it contradicts itself. Saying that something "was good while it lasted" implies that you didn't want that something to end, or would like it back. For example, as a senior Warehouse member, I might say, "The all-seniority ticketing process was good while it lasted."

    Meanwhile, saying you're glad something is gone implies that you no longer wanted it around, which makes me wonder whether you actually liked that thing in the first place. I get saying you're okay with them being gone, or accept that they're gone, but to say you're "glad they are gone" has a very negative connotation.

    Either way, regardless of the results of this poll, I remember the actual fan reaction to their departure, and it was overwhelmingly positive. Hell, the man responsible for introducing them in the first place admits it was a huge mistake. I'm not sure what more information anyone needs.
    The bolded is definitely the issue. You don't say something was good while it lasted, but are glad it's gone. They're antithetical.
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    1 - Like what? The 2001 tour? What was bad about it? The Everyday songs? It was an album tour. I don't go around here using the term "under appreciated" all that much. But as far as the 2001 tour goes, it is. It's not the best tour they've ever had, but it certainly didn't suck. And if you listen to shows from that tour, you'll realize that it's actually really good.

    2 - Because I want to. dMb actually started it. So if you don't like it, you should blame them.

    And it seems as if I'm not the only one who does.
    Just out of curiosity, what has DMB done, in your opinion, that does suck?
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    1 - Like what? The 2001 tour? What was bad about it? The Everyday songs? It was an album tour. I don't go around here using the term "under appreciated" all that much. But as far as the 2001 tour goes, it is. It's not the best tour they've ever had, but it certainly didn't suck. And if you listen to shows from that tour, you'll realize that it's actually really good.

    2 - Because I want to. dMb actually started it. So if you don't like it, you should blame them.





    And it seems as if I'm not the only one who does.
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    Just out of curiosity, what has DMB done, in your opinion, that does suck?
    Little Thing, and Fool To Think full band, I believe
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    Little Thing, and Fool To Think full band, I believe
    So, over 20 years of touring, hundreds of songs, etc.

    And his dislike list is 1.5 songs.

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    There were songs I liked with them. Wouldn't want them back though.

    Edit: any Marley covers with them? No Woman No Cry or Stir it Up could have been amazing...
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    Loved them on Stay. I can't listen to Stay now without singing the Lovely Ladies vocal parts in my head. That song suffers live without them. The guys just don't cut it vocally, although having Rashawn has helped.
    Edit: after reading more of the comments on this thread I'll add that I did indeed see them live, many times, with the band. They added a great funk and energy on stage.

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    - Like what? The 2001 tour? What was bad about it? The Everyday songs? It was an album tour. I don't go around here using the term "under appreciated" all that much. But as far as the 2001 tour goes, it is. It's not the best tour they've ever had, but it certainly didn't suck. And if you listen to shows from that tour, you'll realize that it's actually really good.
    Read your first post, you said there was a lack of appreciation for the Lovely Ladies, and that's the topic we're supposed to be discussing, amirite? The same Lovely Ladies that Steve Lillywhite called a "mistake" on his radio show and, I believe, on Twitter. I guess he just under appreciates them, too?

    When you brought up the 2001 tour as also being under appreciated, you made the assumption that I haven't listened to shows from that tour. Fact is, I did and I attended some as well. Contrary to popular belief, join date on Ants doesn't necessarily correlate to how long someone has been a fan. And, yes, the Everyday songs were one of the reasons I thought it was bad, and so were the Lovely Ladies.

    By you saying 2001 is under appreciated, aren't you saying the majority of fans are incorrect in their opinion that it wasn't a good tour year for DMB?

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    Because I want to. dMb actually started it. So if you don't like it, you should blame them.
    In case you missed it, DMB is not doing it.

    Follow up question -

    What tour year(s), if any, do you believe are worse than 2001?
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    Read your first post, you said there was a lack of appreciation for the Lovely Ladies, and that's the topic we're supposed to be discussing, amirite? The same Lovely Ladies that Steve Lillywhite called a "mistake" on his radio show and, I believe, on Twitter. I guess he just under appreciates them, too?

    When you brought up the 2001 tour as also being under appreciated, you made the assumption that I haven't listened to shows from that tour. Fact is, I did and I attended some as well. Contrary to popular belief, join date on Ants doesn't necessarily correlate to how long someone has been a fan. And, yes, the Everyday songs were one of the reasons I thought it was bad, and so were the Lovely Ladies.

    By you saying 2001 is under appreciated, aren't you saying the majority of fans are incorrect in their opinion that it wasn't a good tour year for DMB?



    In case you missed it, DMB is not doing it.

    Follow up question -

    What tour year(s), if any, do you believe are worse than 2001?
    But dude, if you just ignore the Everyday songs, the Lovely Ladies, the stale setlists and the horrible sound at large stadiums...it was pretty sweet!
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    Like what? The 2001 tour? What was bad about it? The Everyday songs? It was an album tour. I don't go around here using the term "under appreciated" all that much. But as far as the 2001 tour goes, it is. It's not the best tour they've ever had, but it certainly didn't suck. And if you listen to shows from that tour, you'll realize that it's actually really good.
    Yes, it was an album tour for a sub-par album, and while the songs improved as the tour went on for the better part of the summer they sounded really bad live. The only saving grace of that summer was that they kept the LWS songs around and played a bunch of other awesome non-ED songs.

    Not to mention that DMB was virtually perfect up until 2000. Even though they didn't vary the sets enough for my liking, there weren't really any bad songs in the catalog. 2001 marked a significant downturn for the band as far as song writing, they lost a TON of fans, and it's not surprising that by 2002 they were back to playing amphitheaters instead of stadiums. Yes, there were good shows in 2001 -- the Camden run is still among my favorite multinight stands -- but as a year it was not good.

    And I'm sorry, but I don't see how you can tell me that I don't respect other people's opinions and then write your last sentence. Who are you to tell anyone what they'll enjoy?
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    Read your first post, you said there was a lack of appreciation for the Lovely Ladies, and that's the topic we're supposed to be discussing, amirite? The same Lovely Ladies that Steve Lillywhite called a "mistake" on his radio show and, I believe, on Twitter. I guess he just under appreciates them, too?

    When you brought up the 2001 tour as also being under appreciated, you made the assumption that I haven't listened to shows from that tour. Fact is, I did and I attended some as well. Contrary to popular belief, join date on Ants doesn't necessarily correlate to how long someone has been a fan. And, yes, the Everyday songs were one of the reasons I thought it was bad, and so were the Lovely Ladies.

    By you saying 2001 is under appreciated, aren't you saying the majority of fans are incorrect in their opinion that it wasn't a good tour year for DMB?



    In case you missed it, DMB is not doing it.

    Follow up question -

    What tour year(s), if any, do you believe are worse than 2001?

    IMO,2005 was way worse then 2001.My 2001 show at Giants Stadium (06.11.01) blew away N1 Randalls Island in 2005.I can deal with the songs on ED.What You Are,So Right,Everyday and The Space Between I love.WTWE and Dreams of Our Fathers I like alot.WTWE and What You Are were played at my Brooklyn show in December....and I loved it....What You Are has always been a monster live.

    I hated Stand Up.I didnt hate Everyday.I thought it was decent and at times,very good.But I didnt hate it at all.Thats me.If the band busted out Dreams of Our Fathers this summer I would dig it,as would I think a majority of the crowd.If they busted out Dreamgirl,I would go take a leak.
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    IMO,2005 was way worse then 2001.My 2001 show at Giants Stadium (06.11.01) blew away N1 Randalls Island in 2005.I can deal with the songs on ED.What You Are,So Right,Everyday and The Space Between I love.WTWE and Dreams of Our Fathers I like alot.WTWE and What You Are were played at my Brooklyn show in December....and I loved it....What You Are has always been a monster live.

    I hated Stand Up.I didnt hate Everyday.I thought it was decent and at times,very good.But I didnt hate it at all.Thats me.If the band busted out Dreams of Our Fathers this summer I would dig it,as would I think a majority of the crowd.If they busted out Dreamgirl,I would go take a leak.
    If they bust out DOOF this summer, I would think a majority of the crowd would have no idea what they're hearing.

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    If they bust out DOOF this summer, I would think a majority of the crowd would have no idea what they're hearing.

    Also, space bar is your friend, bro. Use it.
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    Not between a single sentence. Spaces go between those as well as words.
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    Not between a single sentence. Spaces go between those as well as words.

    Thanks professor.I will keep that in mind.
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    Just out of curiosity, what has DMB done, in your opinion, that does suck?
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    Little Thing, and Fool To Think full band, I believe
    That.

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    ??

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    So, over 20 years of touring, hundreds of songs, etc.

    And his dislike list is 1.5 songs.

    Incredible.
    What's your point? There are other songs that I can do with or without. But as far as truly disliking goes, yeah... those are the only two that I can think of that I simply don't enjoy.
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    I can respect one's opinion, but saying you prefer I Did It, Hunger, and Out Of My Hands over Little Thing is laughable.
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    Did we figure out why OP uses "dMb"?
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    2 - Because I want to. dMb actually started it. So if you don't like it, you should blame them.
    There you go.

    OP didn't respond to my follow up. OP not showing me any love.
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    Read your first post, you said there was a lack of appreciation for the Lovely Ladies, and that's the topic we're supposed to be discussing, amirite? The same Lovely Ladies that Steve Lillywhite called a "mistake" on his radio show and, I believe, on Twitter. I guess he just under appreciates them, too?

    When you brought up the 2001 tour as also being under appreciated, you made the assumption that I haven't listened to shows from that tour. Fact is, I did and I attended some as well. Contrary to popular belief, join date on Ants doesn't necessarily correlate to how long someone has been a fan. And, yes, the Everyday songs were one of the reasons I thought it was bad, and so were the Lovely Ladies.

    By you saying 2001 is under appreciated, aren't you saying the majority of fans are incorrect in their opinion that it wasn't a good tour year for DMB?



    In case you missed it, DMB is not doing it.

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    What tour year(s), if any, do you believe are worse than 2001?
    Alright, I forgot that I used the term "under appreciated" regarding them. I didn't re-read my first post, but if you say that I said it, than okay.

    And I guess since Steve Lillywhite decided that he didn't like them after all, I should follow suit and change my opinion? Steve Lillywhite is a very fan-oriented person. He cares a LOT about what dMb's fanbase thinks. So how do I know that he didn't make those remarks simply to appease the majority of fans who didn't like the Ladies? And actually... who cares? His motivation for saying whatever it is he said is also not going to make me change my opinion of what I think sounded good for a season.

    I did assume that you didn't listen to many 2001 shows. It was wrong of me to assume, but why would I think any different? I mean, why listen to shows from a tour that you don't like. Right?

    I didn't look at your join date. I could care less about your join date.

    Have you not noticed yet that I don't go around telling people that their opinions are wrong? I may disagree with them, but it's their opinion. How can someones personal opinion be wrong (when it comes to personal taste when appreciating art)? So therefore, no... I am not saying that if the majority of fans say that the 2001 tour was bad that means that they are wrong. I will say that just because the masses feel a certain way, it doesn't mean that I am going to feel the same. If you have your reasons for not liking that tour, than okay. I respect that. But I disagree. The Band sounded great that tour. The shows I went to were a lot of fun. I'm not going to hate on it for being Everyday heavy, because it was the Everyday tour. And even though it's not my favorite album, I don't hate it. So why should I think it was a bad tour? Because everyone else does? (I will say this, though... 4.21.01 was probably the worst show I've ever been to. Not because of the set list. They just sounded rusty and it wasn't the C'Ville homecoming show that we were all hoping for because of that fact.)

    What do I need to notice them not doing?

    I think the 2007 tour was probably the worst tour by this Band.
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