Marvel Cinematic Universe Fandom (MCUc)

[clayj41]

Originally Posted by clayj41

Can't say that I'm surprised, or that I blame him for that matter, but it appears Chris Evans is done playing Captain America following the next two Avengers films.

http://collider.com/chris-evans-done...merica/#marvel

The plot thickens.

http://collider.com/chris-evans-capt...ntract-future/

[chadizzy1]

Marvel’s The Defenders Premiere Date Revealed in New Teaser!
SPENCER PERRYAPR 04, 2017
Read more at http://www.superherohype.com/news/39...EPj8wDGJTor.99
http://www.superherohype.com/news/39...easer#/slide/1

August 18th, 2017

[UCFish]

First Thor Teaser is out.....seems like they are trying to make it the same as GoTG in tone....not sure what to think....but seems odd.

http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/10/14...-teaser-marvel

[MOWJO8185]

I think it looks amazing.

[M. Steng]

Meh...the use of Immigrant Song didn't really work in that trailer.

Seems like the other two Thor movies which are just kind of...there.

Tone was not what I was expecting. Isn't "Ragnarok" supposed to be the end of the world/apocalypse? It would be nice to see Marvel taking at least one thing seriously. At least they're consistent in never having any real stakes involved even when the world is supposed to be ending.

[WidespreadMule3]

I thought it was incredible. Great trailer.

I wish they hadn't shown that last scene in the trailer but it's very cool to get an idea of what's coming.

[WidespreadMule3]

Originally Posted by M. Steng

Meh...the use of Immigrant Song didn't really work in that trailer.

Seems like the other two Thor movies which are just kind of...there.

Tone was not what I was expecting. Isn't "Ragnarok" supposed to be the end of the world/apocalypse? It would be nice to see Marvel taking at least one thing seriously. At least they're consistent in never having any real stakes involved even when the world is supposed to be ending.

Not everything can be as dark and depressing as the DCU.

[rickyh24]

Thor is an awful character. Can't believe he's still getting stand alone movies.

[MOWJO8185]

Originally Posted by M. Steng

Meh...the use of Immigrant Song didn't really work in that trailer.

Seems like the other two Thor movies which are just kind of...there.

Tone was not what I was expecting. Isn't "Ragnarok" supposed to be the end of the world/apocalypse? It would be nice to see Marvel taking at least one thing seriously. At least they're consistent in never having any real stakes involved even when the world is supposed to be ending.

I know you keep saying this - but I'm convinced that Infinity War will have real stakes for some of the original lineup, and that it will be much more impactful to the audience based on the amount of time we have spent with these characters. I'll eat crow if I'm wrong and Infinity War is just another light-hearted CGI-laden spectacle, but I think implications for heroes in that movie will be much more universe-altering than killing off a Superman we hardly know before the Justice League is even formed and when everybody knows he is 100% coming back.

In the interim, I don't think there's anything wrong with telling fun adventures with these characters and letting us enjoy their company. I do get the criticism of the big Civil War battle - that was definitely different in tone than I imagined it would be, but I think the final fight just with Cap, Iron Man and Bucky felt sufficiently intense with real implications on the status quo of these characters.

[UCFish]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

Thor is an awful character. Can't believe he's still getting stand alone movies.

Well they can't make a Hulk one....so I think this is pretty much going to be both of them....so consider it Thor and Hulk 1.

[UCFish]

Originally Posted by MOWJO8185

I know you keep saying this - but I'm convinced that Infinity War will have real stakes for some of the original lineup, and that it will be much more impactful to the audience based on the amount of time we have spent with these characters. I'll eat crow if I'm wrong and Infinity War is just another light-hearted CGI-laden spectacle, but I think implications for heroes in that movie will be much more universe-altering than killing off a Superman we hardly know before the Justice League is even formed and when everybody knows he is 100% coming back.

In the interim, I don't think there's anything wrong with telling fun adventures with these characters and letting us enjoy their company. I do get the criticism of the big Civil War battle - that was definitely different in tone than I imagined it would be, but I think the final fight just with Cap, Iron Man and Bucky felt sufficiently intense with real implications on the status quo of these characters.

His mind is never going to change....just like I will never be convinced BvS is not pure shit....to try to do otherwise is futile.

[M. Steng]

Originally Posted by WidespreadMule3

Not everything can be as dark and depressing as the DCU.

I mean, the name of the movie implicates death and destruction, I think it's pretty ridiculous to call it that but then have it be a fun movie. End of the world doesn't sound like a whole lot of fun to me but thats just IMHO.

If dark and depressing is meant to be an insult then so be it, but I'd rather something happen in a dark and depressing movie than sit through another 2 hours of forced quips and a story that goes nowhere.

Originally Posted by MOWJO8185

I know you keep saying this - but I'm convinced that Infinity War will have real stakes for some of the original lineup, and that it will be much more impactful to the audience based on the amount of time we have spent with these characters. I'll eat crow if I'm wrong and Infinity War is just another light-hearted CGI-laden spectacle, but I think implications for heroes in that movie will be much more universe-altering than killing off a Superman we hardly know before the Justice League is even formed and when everybody knows he is 100% coming back.

In the interim, I don't think there's anything wrong with telling fun adventures with these characters and letting us enjoy their company. I do get the criticism of the big Civil War battle - that was definitely different in tone than I imagined it would be, but I think the final fight just with Cap, Iron Man and Bucky felt sufficiently intense with real implications on the status quo of these characters.

Fair enough, I think they'd be wise to make Infinity War actually mean something in the larger pantheon of the MCU and have it be a world-altering event; like you said, with deaths of characters, etc. But this isn't Infinity War and there's probably not going to be anything significant happening. Maybe they'll kill Loki? Who knows. I've said it before but "fun" only takes me so far.

[thebridge15]

the stakes were definitely very high in suicide squad. for example the main villain wanted to do...something...

[M. Steng]

Originally Posted by thebridge15

the stakes were definitely very high in suicide squad. for example the main villain wanted to do...something...

Oh, Suicide Squad was awful. I hate it more and more every time I think about it. I've never said everything the DCEU has done has been perfect because I know it's simply not true.

[MOWJO8185]

Originally Posted by thebridge15

the stakes were definitely very high in suicide squad. for example the main villain wanted to do...something...

[UCFish]

Originally Posted by thebridge15

the stakes were definitely very high in suicide squad. for example the main villain wanted to do...something...

She wanted to shake those hips!

[M. Steng]

Live look at Enchantress:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9...uo4_r1_400.gif

[bradshaw06]

Originally Posted by thebridge15

the stakes were definitely very high in suicide squad. for example the main villain wanted to do...something...

Same with bvs. Lex for some reason had motivations. Not only that, he for some reason put together a clip show and made logos up for the justice league. Then superman dies, because stakes. I doubt we'll see him again.

[UCFish]

Originally Posted by bradshaw06

Same with bvs. Lex for some reason had motivations. Not only that, he for some reason put together a clip show and made logos up for the justice league. Then superman dies, because stakes. I doubt we'll see him again.

The trailers for the other movies with logos....was impressive....maybe Batman is a producer for the DCEU.

[M. Steng]

Yeah that was the one part of BvS that I didn't like...I think they could have left it ambiguous with Lex's discussion about the metahuman thesis and left it at that. Or maybe have him do a quick little reference to one of them and have that be it.

[BTBaboon]

Love the trailer, hopefully this is more of a shared Hulk/Thor story than a standalone Thor.

Would love for a Planet Hulk or World War Hulk plot some day

[UCFish]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

Love the trailer, hopefully this is more of a shared Hulk/Thor story than a standalone Thor.

Would love for a Planet Hulk or World War Hulk plot some day

Think this is correct with another person for at least a few scenes....never have been good with spoiler tags so not going to put it in...although not really a surprise if you watch the tags in the movies.

[clayj41]

The new trailer is better than either of the previous Thor movies.

[UCFish]

Originally Posted by clayj41

The new trailer is better than either of the previous Thor movies.

Although I enjoyed Thor 1

[sheldonlevene]

I actually dig Thor - mainly b/c of my crush on Hemsworth (elder), but that was a weird trailer.

[thebridge15]

tone of the trailer was kinda weird. like...is it a comedy? cause it kind of looks like it

[zajDmB1]

The problem with expecting 'real stakes' in a super hero movie is it doesn't fucking matter

If you're at all familiar with comics, people die/come back all the time. The universe has reset multiple times over the last few decades. As much as I love the Dark Knights, etc, we don't need to make every superhero movie this hyperrealistic, how would it happen in 'real life' thing. They're super heroes. Let them be super heroes.

[thebridge15]

I actually don't really care about stakes in these movies that much either

like...I'm pretty anti "massive machine that can wipe out the planet for some reason" just because it's lazy storytelling, but for the "smaller" movies I'm ok if the bad guy doesn't seem THAT imposing

I thought guardians had a happy medium there. they were trying to stop one guy from destroying a big city, but the bad guy wasn't fearsome or anything, if anything you just thought he was a huge asshole

[sheldonlevene]

Originally Posted by thebridge15

tone of the trailer was kinda weird. like...is it a comedy? cause it kind of looks like it

All the MCU movies are kind of action comedies honestly.

Works incredibly well for them, but they're closer to Rush Hour than Saving Private Ryan.

[M. Steng]

Originally Posted by zajDmB1

The problem with expecting 'real stakes' in a super hero movie is it doesn't fucking matter

If you're at all familiar with comics, people die/come back all the time. The universe has reset multiple times over the last few decades. As much as I love the Dark Knights, etc, we don't need to make every superhero movie this hyperrealistic, how would it happen in 'real life' thing. They're super heroes. Let them be super heroes.

I mean, I get it, at the end of the day we're talking about comic book movies. And stupid, crazy, unrealistic stuff happens in the books all the time.

But, if we're going under the assumption that we want actions to have consequences and for things within the story to make logical sense and follow basic tenets of storytelling, I think having "stakes" that matter is important, at least to the extent possible within the genre.

As far as the hyper-realistic thing goes, the Nolan films were like this but the DCEU largely has embraced the comic book elements. I think placing it within the "real world" or thinking about these stories as happening within our world makes for better storytelling. I thought the montage of the media debating the need for Superman was awesome and goes to the core of what makes superhero stories relevant after 80+ years of Superman's first appearance.

Originally Posted by thebridge15

I actually don't really care about stakes in these movies that much either

like...I'm pretty anti "massive machine that can wipe out the planet for some reason" just because it's lazy storytelling, but for the "smaller" movies I'm ok if the bad guy doesn't seem THAT imposing

I thought guardians had a happy medium there. they were trying to stop one guy from destroying a big city, but the bad guy wasn't fearsome or anything, if anything you just thought he was a huge asshole

GOTG had one of the worst endings of all-time. Maybe the hardest I've ever rolled my eyes at a movie.