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Old 05-27-2009, 11:04 AM   #31
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Don't know about having classics like Crush, Billies, and Bartender ranked so low.
Studio Billies is not very good.

Live Billies is a whole different ball game.

Crush is 3, that is not bad at all. Like I said Squirm is my favorite studio track OF ALL TIME, so that and Lover Lay Down are better.

Being behind the best track ever (in my eyes) and Lover Lay Down is no slap in the face.

Now for Bartender: (probably should have put it above Billies, but oh well they are about even in my eyes)

You have two songs whos theme is religion: Bartender and Time Bomb.

One is a great live song, and a great studio track which isn't too out of the ordinary for this band.

The other is completely different from anything this band has ever attempted, is filled to the brim with emotion, and will be a highlight of a show anytime it is played.

Time Bomb is just a better song. Sorry thats just the way I feel.
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    Studio Billies is not very good.

    Live Billies is a whole different ball game.

    Crush is 3, that is not bad at all. Like I said Squirm is my favorite studio track OF ALL TIME, so that and Lover Lay Down are better.

    Being behind the best track ever (in my eyes) and Lover Lay Down is no slap in the face.

    Now for Bartender: (probably should have put it above Billies, but oh well they are about even in my eyes)

    You have two songs whos theme is religion: Bartender and Time Bomb.

    One is a great live song, and a great studio track which isn't too out of the ordinary for this band.

    The other is completely different from anything this band has ever attempted, is filled to the brim with emotion, and will be a highlight of a show anytime it is played.

    Time Bomb is just a better song. Sorry thats just the way I feel.
    Wasn't bashing you at all. Unlike most on these boards I don't think someone's opinion on likes and dislikes of music can ever be wrong. (unless someone says stand up is awesome, haha j/k).
    I haven't been able to hear squirm other than the shitty 96/kps so I can't really say. I've always loved studio billies, however I wish they would have done the nature intro. Bartender and Crush will always be top 10 for me, any band, any era. Bartender LW > Bartender BS........I'll give you that. I think time bomb is good, but not bartender good...........however, this might change since I think it is going to be a monster live.
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    i'm gonna do mine a little differently:

    Opener:
    Best of What's Around
    Pantala Naga Pampa ...> Rapunzel
    Grux ...> Shake Me Like a Monkey
    So Much to Say
    Busted Stuff
    Dreamgirl
    I Did It

    Closer:
    Spoon
    Bartender
    Proudest Monkey
    #34
    You and Me
    Everyday
    Hunger for the Great Light

    2nd Song:
    Two Step
    The Last Stop
    Grey Street
    What Would You Say
    Funny The Way It Is
    When the World Ends
    Old Dirt Hill

    2nd to Last Song:
    Pig
    Tripping Billies
    Big Eyed Fish
    My Baby Blue
    Pay For What You Get
    Steady As We Go
    Mother Father

    3rd Song:
    Don't Drink the Water
    Lying in the Hands of God
    Crash Into Me
    The Space Between
    Satellite
    Where Are You Going
    Stand Up

    3rd to Last Song:
    Warehouse
    The Dreaming Tree
    Cry Freedom
    Time Bomb
    You Might Die Trying
    Digging a Ditch
    Sleem to Dream Her

    4th Song:
    Rhyme and Reason
    Why I Am
    You Never Know
    Too Much
    Stay (Wasting Time)
    Dreams of Our Fathers
    American Baby Intro

    4th to Last Song:
    Lie In Our Graves
    Crush
    Jimi Thing
    Seven
    Fool to Think
    Stolen Away
    Kit Kat Jam

    5th Song:
    #41
    Halloween
    Typical Situation
    So Right
    Dive In
    Captain
    American Baby

    5th to Last Song:
    The Stone
    Grace Is Gone
    Lover Lay Down
    Alligator Pie
    Louisiana Bayou
    Let You Down
    Angel

    6th Song:
    Dancing Nancies
    Say Goodbye
    Raven
    Spaceman
    If I Had It All
    Smooth Rider

    6th to Last Song:
    Ants Marching
    Squirm
    Drive In Drive Out
    What You Are
    Hello Again


    FINAL RANKING:
    Before These Crowded Streets
    Under the Table and Dreaming
    Crash
    Big Whiskey and the GrooGrux King
    Busted Stuff
    Everyday
    Stand Up
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    Old 05-27-2009, 11:58 AM   #34
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    I only counted the track if it was a # track all to itself.
    How it stacks up in my eyes:

    Best Of Whats Around
    So Much To Say
    Busted Stuff
    I Did It
    PNP
    Grux
    Dream Girl

    How it stacks up in my eyes:

    Two Step
    Rapunzel
    Grey Street
    Shake Me Like A Monkey
    When The World Ends
    What Would You Say
    Old Dirt Hill

    How it stacks up in my eyes:

    The Last Stop
    Crash Into Me
    Funny The Way It Is
    The Space Between
    Where Are You Going
    Satellite
    Stand Up (For It)

    How it stacks up in my eyes:

    You Never Know
    Lying In The Hands Of God
    Don’t Drink The Water
    Too Much
    Rhyme and Reason
    Dreams Of Our Fathers
    American Baby Intro.

    How it stacks up in my eyes:

    #41
    Typical Situation
    So Right
    Stay (Wasting Time)
    American Baby
    Captain
    Why I Am

    How it stacks up in my eyes:

    Dancing Nancies
    Halloween
    Say Goodbye
    Dive In
    Raven
    If I Had It All
    Smooth Rider

    How it stacks up in my eyes:

    The Stone
    Ants Marching
    Drive In, Drive Out
    Grace Is Gone
    What You Are
    Space Man
    Everybody Wake Up

    How it stacks up in my eyes:

    Crush
    Squirm
    Lover Lay Down
    Let You Down
    Angel
    Kit Kat Jam
    Out Of My Hands

    How it stacks up in my eyes:

    Lie In Our Graves
    Dreaming Tree
    Jimi Thing
    Fool to Think
    Hello Again
    Digging A Ditch
    Alligator Pie

    How it stacks up in my eyes:

    Pig
    Warehouse
    Cry Freedom
    Big Eyed Fish
    Seven
    Louisiana Bayou
    Sleep To Dream Her

    How it stacks up in my eyes:

    Tripping Billies
    Spoon
    Bartender
    Time Bomb
    Pay For What You Get
    Stolen Away On 55th and 3rd
    Mother Father

    How it stacks up in my eyes:

    Proudest Monkey
    My Baby Blue
    #34
    Everyday
    You Might Die Trying

    How it stacks up

    You and Me
    Steady As We Go
    Hunger

    UTTAD = 65 out of 120 for 54%
    Crash = 87 out of 120 for 72.5%
    BTCS = 82 out of 120 for 74.5%
    Eday = 25 out of 120 for 21%
    Busted Stuff = 38 out of 110 for 35%
    Stand Up = 21 out of 130 for 16%
    Big Whiskey = 52 out of 130 for 40%

    So mine would look like this.

    1. BTCS - 74.5%
    2. Crash - 72.5%


    3. UTTAD - 54%

    4. Big Whiskey - 40%
    5. Busted Stuff - 35%

    6. Everyday - 21%
    7. Stand Up - 16%

    Which seems accurate for me so I tend to believe this ranking is somewhat an accurate baromator. Also I think this bodes very well for BW and I feel like after about 2 years to attach these songs to memories and live performanceses it will be right up with UTTAD.
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    great review...read the whole thing...very interesting.

    The one glaring issue I have is this, but then again each person hears songs differently

    Time Bomb
    Spoon
    Tripping Billies
    Bartender
    Pay For What You Get
    Stolen Away On 55th and 3rd
    Mother Father

    I think all the songs except mother father go ahead of time bomb
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    1) It's hard to believe you've listened to it hundreds of times already.

    2) If you have actually listened to it that many times then you, my friend, have wasted a great deal of time because you've based your entire lengthy review on a rough, unfinished product.

    Good effort, though. Now go out and get yourself a life...
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    I liked the review but there's no way in hell that BWGGK is better than Crash.
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    1) It's hard to believe you've listened to it hundreds of times already.

    2) If you have actually listened to it that many times then you, my friend, have wasted a great deal of time because you've based your entire lengthy review on a rough, unfinished product.

    Good effort, though. Now go out and get yourself a life...
    Maybe not hundreds

    But definitely at least 100. Driving to work every morning I go through half the album, and on the way back I do the other half. That has equated to at least 10 listens, and the day it leaked I pulled an all nighter listening to it on repeat, which was another 10-15 listens. Whenever I am in the car BWGK is on.

    I have been to 3 BWGK listening parties.

    Bottom line: I have listened to this album enough for it to sink in.
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    interesting..i read it (mostly) the entire thing...the one problem with doing it by song position is that it doesnt take into account that as a whole the album may be all over the place (for instance, you may think one album is half genius and half terrible-so it would get tons of first place nods and be not very affected by its poorer tracks) and the track order can really affect the winner,..anyways i think going by each song is the way to go and since i was in a rating mood i copied someone elses list and did my own ratings


    UTTAD
    1.BOWA=5
    2.WWYS=4
    3.Satellite=4
    4.Rhyme=5
    5.Typical=5
    6.Nancies=5
    7.Ants=4
    8.LLD=4
    9.Jimi=3
    10.Warehouse=3
    11.PFWYG=5
    12.#34=5
    Overall 52/12 =4.33

    Crash
    1.SMTS=5
    2.Two Step=5
    3.Crash=5
    4.Too Much=4
    5.#41=5
    6.Say Goodbye=5
    7.DIDO=3
    8.LYD=5
    9.LIOG=3
    10.Cry Freedom=3
    11Billies=4
    12.PM=3
    Overall 50/12= 4.17

    BTCS
    1.PNP=4
    2.Rapunzel=5
    3.Last Stop=5
    4.DDTW=5
    5.Stay=5
    6.Halloween=4
    7.Stone=5
    8.Crush=5
    9.Dreaming Tree=5
    10.Pig=4
    11.Spoon=5
    Overall 52/11=4.73

    Everyday
    1.I Did It-3
    2.WTWE=5
    3.Space Between=5
    4.DOOF=4
    5.So Right=3
    6.If I Had It All=5
    7.What You Are=5
    8.Angel=2
    9.Fool To Think=5
    10.STDH=2
    11.Mother Father=2
    12.Everyday=5
    Overall 46/12=3.83

    BS
    1.BS=4
    2.Grey Steet=5
    3.WAYG=5
    4.YNK=5
    5.Captain=3
    6.Raven=5
    7.GIG=5
    8.Kit Kat=3
    9.Digging a Ditch=3
    10.BEF=5
    11. Bartender=4
    Overall 47/11=4.27

    Stand Up
    1.Dreamgirl=4
    2.ODH=4
    3.Stand Up=2
    4.ABI=2
    5.AB=3
    6.Smooth Rider=2
    7.Everybody Wake Up=3
    8.OOMH=3
    9.Hello Again=4
    10.Bayou=3
    11.Stolen Away=3
    12.YMDT=4
    13.SAWG=5 (idk about a 5, but def. at least a 4 for me, i really like this song)
    14.HFGL=2
    Overall 44/14=3.14

    Big Whiskey
    1.Grux=4
    2.Shake Me=4
    3.FTWII=4
    4.LITHOG=4
    5.Why I am=4
    6.Dive In=4
    7.Spaceman=5
    8.Squirm=5
    9.Alligator Pie=4
    10.Seven=4
    11.Time Bomb=5
    12.Baby Blue=5
    13.You and Me=4
    Overall 56/13 = 4.31

    Album Rankings:
    1.BTCS=4.73
    2.UTTAD=4.33
    3.Big Whiskey=4.31
    4.Busted Stuff=4.27
    5.Crash=4.17
    6.Everyday=3.83
    7.Stand Up=3.14


    i dont think this rating method is also that good, as since i rate everything pretty highly, this way comes down to which has the least songs i dont like...i would say my actual top 5 are: crash, busted stuff, uttad, btcs, big whiskey...it just so happens, theres quite a few songs on crash i dont really like at all, but the entire first half are all in my top 10 dmb songs period (my top 2 period are probably two step and say goodbye)---same with busted stuff, although the songs i like are split up...i like everything on btcs, but i have to be in the right mood to listen to it...as for big whiskey, idk if any of the songs are my favorites, however, their all pretty tolerable and theres not really anything i dont like
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    I have never seen more over-analyticism in my life. People, it is just a record.
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    ...This is a message board. We analyze things here.
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    Great review. There's always this internal struggle with reading reviews. It's great to see what other people think and get new ideas about the album, but at the same time I'd rather decide for myself without any outside information.


    Haha, quite a slugfest between ED and SU songs for worst song in each track spot.

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    Ok, I'll play along using your method. IMO, going solely on the studio versions:

    Track 1:

    Best Of Whats Around
    So Much To Say
    PNP
    Grux
    I Did It
    Dream Girl
    Busted Stuff

    Track 2:

    Two Step
    Rapunzel
    What Would You Say
    Shake Me Like A Monkey
    When The World Ends
    Grey Street
    Old Dirt Hill

    Track 3:

    The Last Stop
    Funny The Way It Is
    Satellite
    Stand Up (For It)
    Crash Into Me
    Where Are You Going
    The Space Between

    Track 4:

    Don't Drink the Water
    You Never Know
    Too Much
    Lying In The Hands Of God
    American Baby (Intro)
    Rhyme and Reason
    Dreams Of Our Fathers

    Track 5:

    Stay (Wasting Time)
    So Right
    Typical Situation
    #41
    Captain
    American Baby
    Why I Am

    Track 6:

    Dancing Nancies
    Halloween
    Say Goodbye
    If I Had It All
    Smooth Rider
    Dive In
    Raven

    Track 7:

    The Stone
    Ants Marching
    What You Are
    Drive In, Drive Out
    What You Are
    Everybody Wake Up
    Space Man
    Grace Is Gone

    Track 8 (toughest one for me to rank):

    Let You Down
    Crush
    Squirm
    Out Of My Hands
    Kit Kat Jam
    Lover Lay Down
    Angel

    Track 9:

    Jimi Thing
    Lie In Our Graves
    Fool to Think
    Dreaming Tree
    Alligator Pie
    Hello Again
    Digging A Ditch

    Track 10:

    Warehouse
    Pig
    Cry Freedom
    Louisiana Bayou
    Seven
    Big Eyed Fish
    Sleep To Dream Her

    Track 11:

    Spoon
    Stolen Away on 55th and 3rd
    Tripping Billies
    Time Bomb
    Pay For What You Get
    Bartender
    Mother Father

    Track 12 (another tough one to rank):

    Everyday
    #34
    Proudest Monkey
    My Baby Blue
    You Might Die Trying

    Track 13:

    You and Me
    Steady As We Go

    Track 14 (hate giving this turd 10 points):

    Hunger for the Great Light

    --------------------------------------------
    UTTAD 75/120 = 62.5%
    Crash 69/120 = 57.5%
    BTCS 90/110 = 81.8%
    Everyday 30/120 = 25.0%
    Busted Stuff 16/110 = 14.5%
    Stand Up 46/140 = 32.8%
    BWGK 44/130 = 33.8%

    So mine would look like this. I'll say that this does accurately reflect how I feel about the albums:

    1. BTCS 90/110 = 81.8%

    I honestly don't think I'll ever hear a more complete masterpiece by any other band. This is the one album I'd take to a deserted island.

    2. UTTAD 75/120 = 62.5%

    This was my first taste, and BOWA remains my favorite studio DMB song. Except for R&R, I absolutely adore this album. I still think it's their most "fun" album.

    3. Crash 69/120 = 57.5%

    Another album without any real clunkers. Let You Down still gives me goosebumps on every listen. Not surprising at all to me that these are my top 3 albums.

    4. BWGK 44/130 = 33.8%

    To me, this is exactly where it should be. I don't know where it will end up, but right now I know I like it a lot. I love Squirm and You and Me, and really like some other tracks.

    5. Stand Up 46/140 = 32.8%

    This is based almost primarily upon the fact that it has 14 tracks, going by your ranking system, and is the only "ranking" I don't feel accurately reflects how I feel. I'd have it a spot lower. Ok album, but it doesn't quite "feel like DMB" to me, if that makes sense.

    6. Everyday 30/120 = 25.0%

    About what I figured. As a studio album, I don't mind ED at all. It is what it is. I figure I enjoy ED more than most other hardcore DMB fans, and I'm okay with that.

    7. Busted Stuff 16/110 = 14.5%

    Truly awful album that should have never been released in the format it was. Either should have just made LWS official, or never released it. Words can't describe the horror this album brings me. Funny enough, I love most of these songs live.
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    I like the different additions and abstract formulas, I really do, thanks for all the work you guys put in...

    We all know it goes BTCS, UTTAD, Crash, BWGK, and the rest...

    But I appreciate the reasoning behind all of it! Thanks again guys, really cool thread KingChris!
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    Dmbcrazy81:

    Didn't want to quote your review, but I'm glad this system was semi accurate for you. My reasoning for giving points for extra songs is that I appreciate more songs, regardless of whether or not there good. It might mean more songs to NOT listen to, but it also increases my chances of liking songs on the album.

    So though Stand Up is my 2nd to last favorite album, I give it some props for putting more songs on it.
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    Didn't want to quote your review, but I'm glad this system was semi accurate for you. My reasoning for giving points for extra songs is that I appreciate more songs, regardless of whether or not there good. It might mean more songs to NOT listen to, but it also increases my chances of liking songs on the album.

    So though Stand Up is my 2nd to last favorite album, I give it some props for putting more songs on it.
    Yeah, I get that, and I just followed the rules you set forth. I thought it was an interesting exercise that just further reinforced the order of the albums in my mind.
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    Re: Obscenely long review plus interesting rankings.

    Like the rankings in the OP thread. I was planning on doing something similar.
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    Re: Obscenely long review plus interesting rankings.

    Album Rankings:
    1.BTCS=4.73
    2.Crash=4.50
    3.UTTAD=4.42
    4.Big Whiskey=4.23
    5.Busted Stuff=4.18
    6.Everyday=3.67
    7.Stand Up=2.86

    This is basically what I would get too...I did read the whole post, so would be proud!
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