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Old 09-25-2014, 08:37 AM   #91
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lol 6th all-time in hits isn't an accomplishment i guess
Compiling stats isn't as much as an accomplishment as winning batting titles or MVP awards.
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    Compiling stats isn't as much as an accomplishment as winning batting titles or MVP awards.
    i'm sorry that you're a jaded mets fan....it's really showing
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    Old 09-25-2014, 08:41 AM   #93
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    Except for the fact that the post you quoted is completely accurate
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    Old 09-25-2014, 08:43 AM   #94
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    Except for the fact that the post you quoted is completely accurate
    not at all

    i'll take a guy that is 6th in hits all time and was the cornerstone of 5 titles over an MVP winner like Jimmy Rollins anyday of the week

    MVPs are voted on by old, bitter sports writers

    championships and hits are compiled in the field
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    OK that's a great starting point---but you can't just take the hits. You can't pick and choose based on what supports your argument. You have to also accept that he didn't walk a ton, and that he also struck out way too much for a player with his lack of power. He was great at hitting it where the defense wasn't.

    I think the best argument for Jeter IS his longevity, to be honest. People like to say "oh, he just hung around a long time," as if that doesn't have value. Of course it does.

    And honestly, I think you could absolutely make an argument that Jeter is/was better than Ripken. Any argument in favor of Ripken is solely centered on defense. Jeter was just a better offensive player, there's not really much argument over that.

    We know that Jeter was a fairly mediocre defensive player. We have reliable metrics that tell us that over time. But Ripken didn't play in an era that has those metrics. Most people think he was an above average defender, but before the numbers came along, honestly a lot of people thought that Jeter was an above average defensive player. So forgive me if I'm not 100% sold on Ripken as a great defender, especially when he was like 35-40
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    Old 09-25-2014, 08:44 AM   #96
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    not at all

    i'll take a guy that is 6th in hits all time and was the cornerstone of 5 titles over an MVP winner like Jimmy Rollins anyday of the week

    MVPs are voted on by old, bitter sports writers

    championships and hits are compiled in the field
    I mean Jimmy Rollins isn't really the comparison I was going for.

    I was thinking more like Albert Pujols, Chipper Jones, or even A-Rod if he wasn't such a moron.
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    Old 09-25-2014, 08:46 AM   #97
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    Re: Derek Jeter

    people remember that chipper jones had a 'retirement tour', right? he got gifts from all around the league. the media coverage may not have been as drastic as jeter's, but NYC is a huge market, atlanta not so much.

    jeter will go down as a great player, and one of the greatest offensive shortstops of all time (behind wagner, a-rod, for a few examples). everyone knows his defense aint the greatest. and he played during a peak time in the yankees' organization, which certainly elevates things. he essentially played an extra season's worth of games in the playoffs, and had (slightly) better numbers in october compared to his career line.

    yankees are milking this tour for all its worth, for a few reasons the way i see it: 1)the face of the organization (and baseball) for the last 20 years is retiring, kind of a big deal 2)its no secret that they've struggled a bit to sell tickets to games the last few years, this helps put butts in the seats. 3)it helps deflect focus off the fact that they were a mediocre team this year

    and just for fun, you can argue that jeter probably should have won the MVP in '99 over i-rod (although pedro martinez had a great argument as well), but that was the peak of the steroids/HR era and pudge's power numbers were 'sexier' than jeter's, but not by much. DJ: 158games, 219hits, 24HRs, 102RBI, .349/.438/.552. Pudge: 144G, 199H, 35HRs, 113RBI, .332/.356/.558.
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    wait a minute you think jeter better at offense than ripken?
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    I mean Jimmy Rollins isn't really the comparison I was going for.

    I was thinking more like Albert Pujols, Chipper Jones, or even A-Rod if he wasn't such a moron.
    but A-rod is the only SS on that list and he didn't even play there for his whole career
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    wait a minute you think jeter better at offense than ripken?
    jeter: .309/.377/.439, 358 SBs with 79% success rate

    ripken: .276/.340/.447 36 SBs with 48% success rate

    not really that close

    jeter much higher babip but it's 12000 PAs, it's well beyond normalized
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    Old 09-25-2014, 08:51 AM   #101
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    I was saying in GENERAL that batting titles / MVP awards are more impressive than compiling hits. Position has nothing to do with it. I get that SS is a very valuable position, but compiling is compiling.
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    Jeter is one of the best hitters at taking a pitch and going the other way with it i've ever seen

    i'd love to see a career spray chart for jeter's hits
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    wait a minute you think jeter better at offense than ripken?
    from these core numbers its kinda (not really) close but i'd give the edge to jeter as he hit more, got on base more, and difference in slugging is so small over the course of a career that its inconsequential

    ripken: .276/.340/.447
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    Old 09-25-2014, 08:54 AM   #104
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    I was saying in GENERAL that batting titles / MVP awards are more impressive than compiling hits. Position has nothing to do with it. I get that SS is a very valuable position, but compiling is compiling.
    ok so you put more weight on awards voted on by sportswriters and batting titles (of which Jeter was in contention for several times) over titles, hits, errors and other things that actually impact the game/team

    got it.

    i'll take someone called Mr. November over Chipper Jones anyday

    Jeter earned that shit
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    compare the stats between Rollins and Jeter...youll be surprised. Factor in his MVP, and Gold Gloves. Jeter is definitely without a doubt a first ballot hall of famer, and Rollins is considered by some as borderline hall of fame. Now that may be because Rollins is way underrated and not as much about Jeter being overrated
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    So sick of hearing about it
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    dude 0 for 2, maybe a different thread might be more receptive? jimmy rollins can't hold derek jeter's jockstrap
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    wow. yea i never knew that.. i cant believe cals steals are so low
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    compare the stats between Rollins and Jeter...youll be surprised. Factor in his MVP, and Gold Gloves. Jeter is definitely without a doubt a first ballot hall of famer, and Rollins is considered by some as borderline hall of fame. Now that may be because Rollins is way underrated and not as much about Jeter being overrated
    what? Rollins has a career average of .267 (42 points lower than jeter) and has played for a much shorter time....how are they comparable at all?
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    Old 09-25-2014, 09:02 AM   #110
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    Jimmy Rollins in his prime was a better baseball player than jeter was in his...so you sir are wrong about that
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    If jeter played for anyone else besides the Yankees this wouldn't be a 24/7 story.

    I personally don't care. Great dude, great player, but this glorification of athletes is sickening.
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    and believe me im aware that career and historically he is not as good as jeter, but JRoll has 3 or 4 more years left to add to resume... I dont see his career batting average going up however. I did a bad job comparing the two, but I do not think at any point in Jeter's career that he was the best shortstop in baseball..thats more what I was trying to say. Longevity is impressive with his batting stats, even though his fielding has gone down hill
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    Jimmy Rollins in his prime was a better baseball player than jeter was in his...so you sir are wrong about that
    you just could not be more wrong. jeter's 1998-2003 is better collectively, even averaging in worse years, than any single year rollins has ever had
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    rollins

    we're really comparing rollins to jeter?
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    Jimmy Rollins in his prime was a better baseball player than jeter was in his...so you sir are wrong about that
    WOW

    I'm one of the biggest Phillies fans on this site, but thats simply not true

    Rollins was a very solid player for a long time, and he had a few seasons with some very good stats. He's an outstanding defender, but one of the most infuriating leadoff hitters ever
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    Old 09-25-2014, 09:09 AM   #116
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    Jimmy Rollins
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    Rollins in 2007 was better in a single year than Jeter in those years
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    i mean you can't even say Rollins is better for his power #'s because they are so similar
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    30 Hrs, 296 avg, 20 Triples, 94 RBI, 41 SB, and gold glove defense
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    Jimmy Rollins in his prime was a better baseball player than jeter was in his...so you sir are wrong about that
    lol what?

    jeter's best seasons

    1999: .349/24/102
    2006: .343/14/97
    2009: .334/18/66

    Rollins:

    2004: .289/14/73
    2007: .296/30/94

    as you can see, jeter was "in his prime" for basically his whole career
    rollins NEVER hit .300 in a full season and NEVER broke 100 RBIs

    you sir, are wrong
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