The Russo Bros' CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER (4.4.14)

[JRS1386]

Seeing it in an hour, can't fucking wait

[junior94]

yea I plan to see this sometime early tomorrow, the one theater near me has its first screening at 9am


But one thing I noticed, it seemed like the case used to be with a big summer(ish) blockbuster movie, it would have a handful of screenings late the Thursday night before, but ones that didn't even start until midnight. But, at least as this same local theater I was just referencing, they've got normal, "prime time" showings for this tonight, I think they were 8, 9 and 10pm. I guess this is pretty much the usual deal for anywhere in the country with a big tentpole anymore... ?

[Tomriddle]

Originally Posted by KevinTH5

I think this is going to be up there with The Dark Knight.

It'll probably be pretty good, but no, it won't.


Seeing it early tomorrow also, I think.

[junior94]

There's already more than a few who are proclaiming it the best overall Marvel film to date, including The Avengers.

at the very least, it seems an excellent chance it'll be in that rare company of a sequel being superior to the original.

[clayj41]

Originally Posted by junior94

There's already more than a few who are proclaiming it the best overall Marvel film to date, including The Avengers.

at the very least, it seems an excellent chance it'll be in that rare company of a sequel being superior to the original.

Wouldn't take much.

[JRS1386]

It was good, very good. Too tired to discuss

[UCFish]

I liked it a lot

[Rodey]

Loved the first one and I'm glad to see this one getting great reviews!

[KevinTH]

Originally Posted by Tomriddle

It'll probably be pretty good, but no, it won't.


Seeing it early tomorrow also, I think.

I kind of meant more like Marvel's Dark Knight. Batman Begins was great and really opened up the door for a great story to come. I liked Captain America a lot but think 2 will be darker and more intense like Dark Knight was.

[junior94]

wow... they weren't kidding when they talked about how this movie really changes the landscape in the MCU. Almost nothing is what you thought it was. This was really friggin great.

and, best cameo ever!!

Danny Pudi aka Abed as a SHIELD tech!! hahaa nice. Actually Anthony Russo himself had a cameo as well, as like some kind of doctor at the location where Fury was recuperating. I think that's the first time I've seen him put himself in anything of he and his brother's.

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[Nick@Night]

Seeing this tonight, it will be the first of the Marvel universe movies I have seen in the theater.

[Tomriddle]

Originally Posted by KevinTH5

I kind of meant more like Marvel's Dark Knight. Batman Begins was great and really opened up the door for a great story to come. I liked Captain America a lot but think 2 will be darker and more intense like Dark Knight was.

It's probably a sequel that's somewhat darker than the original, sure, I'll give you that (there's no way that makes it "Marvel's Dark Knight" though).

Originally Posted by clayj41

Wouldn't take much.

[Tomriddle]

Perhaps the idea is that Cap is going to take over as Marvel's "main" superhero, now that the Iron Man trilogy seems wrapped up? I wouldn't mind that

[WidespreadMule3]

Originally Posted by Tomriddle

Perhaps the idea is that Cap is going to take over as Marvel's "main" superhero, now that the Iron Man trilogy seems wrapped up? I wouldn't mind that

I have a buddy who's a big super-hero nerd and he mentioned that the other day. He said the one thing about Avengers that was slightly disappointing to him was that Capt. wasn't as much of leader as he was in the comics. He said he was really hoping this film would establish him as the real leader that he truly is in the Marvel universe.

[Tomriddle]

Originally Posted by WidespreadMule3

I have a buddy who's a big super-hero nerd and he mentioned that the other day. He said the one thing about Avengers that was slightly disappointing to him was that Capt. wasn't as much of leader as he was in the comics. He said he was really hoping this film would establish him as the real leader that he truly is in the Marvel universe.

Yeah. He got more leader-y towards the end, hopefully the trend continues

[junior94]

Originally Posted by Tomriddle

Perhaps the idea is that Cap is going to take over as Marvel's "main" superhero, now that the Iron Man trilogy seems wrapped up? I wouldn't mind that

Yea, I don't know about that. I mean, we're already just one film away now from Capt's trilogy being complete as well. and we know that Chris Evans has a Marvel contract for 6 films, presumably the CA trilogy combined with the Avengers trilogy.
And as far as his leadership in Avengers, well I'd say that he was still mostly the man just trying to catch up with the world in the first half of the movie, but I'd also argue he was the "leader" for pretty much the whole Manhattan battle. With Stark even straight up prompting him to "call it" as like he was then giving out assignments.


Clay, did you NOT like the first Captain America? I find that kind of surprising, over the last couple years the worst I've heard from anyone about that was that it was just okay. I liked it quite a bit, and dug how they made a modern comic book action movie out of a 1940's hero and story.


btw, I was also surprised the number of people in my theater who left immediately as the credits rolled. It certainly wasn't full, this was a noon, 2D showing, I'd say it was probably a good 50-60% full. But well over half of the people got up and went right away. Although I did feel a little ripped off by the 2nd scene, the one allllllllll the way at the very end of the credits. The first one was great, like only a couple minutes into the credits and is a clear Avengers 2 set up. The second one is sort of a general set up for CA3, but is purely a character thing, and wasn't visually interesting at all. I wish someone could've just told me what it was and I wouldn't have had to sit thru another 6-7 minutes of credits.

[junior94]

I was kind of bummed initially when learning that Alison Brie didn't get the Agent 13/Carter role, in favor of Emily Van Camp, but then when seeing actually how small of a role it was in the film, it wasn't too big of a deal anymore. Although, I'd presume she'd maybe have a larger role in Capt 3.

[clayj41]

Originally Posted by junior94

Clay, did you NOT like the first Captain America? I find that kind of surprising, over the last couple years the worst I've heard from anyone about that was that it was just okay. I liked it quite a bit, and dug how they made a modern comic book action movie out of a 1940's hero and story.

It certainly improved upon repeat viewings but yeah, not a big fan. And it's a shame because Cap is damn near my favorite Marvel character. The issue though (and I knew it would be an issue) is how poorly such a glorified boy scout translates to the big screen. Aesthetically the movie was very pleasing. From a writing standpoint, it's too damn boring. Chris Evans fits the bill though. There may be no more boring actor in Hollywood.

Cap needs better antagonism for his super-selflessness to carry its due weight, but instead Joe Johnston's enemy is the overuse of CGI, slow motion, and montages. Red Skull is an all-time villain but never fully conceived. The biggest problem is in the subtitle...First Avenger. The movie was nothing more than a long lead-in to The Avengers, directed and written by a much more talented filmmaker.

[junior94]

actually that reminds me, one of the very few issues I had with this movie (granted, more may come as the viewing sinks in further), I thought the first one handled the CGI fairly well of "Skinny Steve" in the first act, superimposing Evans' face on another guy's body (just like how they did, it seems, in Social Network), but holy crap did it stick out here. The one flashback scene of Steve and Bucky, but that was new for this, not just a replay from film 1, it was so awful looking for some reason now that it pulled me right out of the film for a moment. Especially the eyes, they were soooo awkward, way too big for the shape of the shrunken face.

[sharvey]

Thought it was great. Definitely laid the foundation for the short and long term future of the films.

[UNLTrpt]

Saw the movie this afternoon. Very much a psychological thriller. Much of the MCU has been over the top, action packed movies. This was very down to earth. I liked it, it was really good.

Agree with what has been said above. This is very much a transition making Captain America the leader of the Avengers. He kind of started that transition at the end of the Avengers, but this movie certainly moves him to the front.

[jrod41]

Originally Posted by clayj41

It certainly improved upon repeat viewings but yeah, not a big fan. And it's a shame because Cap is damn near my favorite Marvel character. The issue though (and I knew it would be an issue) is how poorly such a glorified boy scout translates to the big screen. Aesthetically the movie was very pleasing. From a writing standpoint, it's too damn boring. Chris Evans fits the bill though. There may be no more boring actor in Hollywood.

Cap needs better antagonism for his super-selflessness to carry its due weight, but instead Joe Johnston's enemy is the overuse of CGI, slow motion, and montages. Red Skull is an all-time villain but never fully conceived. The biggest problem is in the subtitle...First Avenger. The movie was nothing more than a long lead-in to The Avengers, directed and written by a much more talented filmmaker.

Shut your mouth. Chris Evans is the bomb!

[junior94]

Originally Posted by jrod41

Shut your mouth. Chris Evans is the bomb!

funny too with Clay thinking that about him, just that considering he also already played Johnny Storm in the (what will now be pretty much forgotten) original Fantastic Four movies, which seemed to me to be a character that was all about being the major personality, cocky life of the party, etc.


I'm kind of hoping that maybe within the next few days will come out either high quality enough screenshots or just a text list of all the different "Insight targets" that we saw here in that section, just because that went by so fast. I mean the one for Tony Stark was easy to see, and Sitwell in his dialog earlier made that very quick but clear reference to "Steven Strange". It's seeming more and more likely based on everything else we've heard so far that Dr. Strange will be one of the Phase 3 movies.

[clayj41]

Originally Posted by junior94

funny too with Clay thinking that about him, just that considering he also already played Johnny Storm in the (what will now be pretty much forgotten) original Fantastic Four movies, which seemed to me to be a character that was all about being the major personality, cocky life of the party, etc.

He might've played the part, but that doesn't mean he played it well.

[junior94]

oh no, believe me, I wasn't necessarily saying that he did... there was pretty much nothing redeeming about those two movies Just thought it was amusing that he had done that role at all, given what you thought about him.

Hard to believe this is the same guy who basically played the Freddie Prinze Jr role in Not Another Teen Movie .

[M. Steng]

Saw it last night and I was actually very impressed. Much better than I thought it would be. A legit action flick but some solid character development, plot twists, and tense moments. Infinitely better than the first one, which I thought absolutely stunk.

PS, Scar-Jo is just an absolute sex bomb. Good Lord.

[jackisback24]

it's already made $132 mil worldwide with a $170 mil budget. This thing will be HUGELY profitable.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=marvel14b.htm

[JRS1386]

Well no shit

[jackisback24]

Originally Posted by JRS1386

Well no shit

Flyers!!!

[junior94]

Another aspect that's worth noting, the pacing in this thing is terrific. I think it's around 2:20 but you don't feel that at all.

and I looked over the full cast listing on IMDB, I don't see an actress listed as the present day Peggy Carter, cause honestly at first I thought that might've just been an entirely different actress. But maybe it was just Hayley Atwell in old age makeup, but if so that's gotta be the best job of it I've probably ever seen in a movie. I mean, ultimately you'd hope it could be Atwell, especially seeing as how her only scene looking like her normal self is immediately preceding that, and it might be kind of awkward seeing the same character in consecutive scenes but by two different actresses.