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Old 04-14-2015, 10:02 AM   #1051
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Re: Chicago White Sox

@JeffPassan: Eight players by themselves have at least as many walks (six) as all of the Chicago White Sox thus far. Sox's plate discipline is wretched.


Too early in the season to jump off a ledge like Passan has, but I do find it surprising as I actually like the Sox lineup.
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    Outside of LaRoche and asshole Tyler Flowers they aren't striking out a ton, so I'm not terribly worried...yet.
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    Old 04-14-2015, 04:17 PM   #1053
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    Carrasco got hit fucking hard in the face

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    Carlos Rodon era begins tomorrow. Although I don't know why you would start him out of the pen when you essentially have 2 automatic L's in the rotation.
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    Time to fire Ventura. Guy is clearly in over his head. Improved roster same stupid baserunning, defensive, substitution, etc errors.
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    Time to fire Ventura. Guy is clearly in over his head. Improved roster same stupid baserunning, defensive, substitution, etc errors.
    It's getting ridiculous.
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    Old 05-03-2015, 07:39 PM   #1057
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    This is pretty embarrassing they are about to get swept by the Minnesota Twins. Not a good start to the season the only thing that has worked is the bullpen. They are wasting great bullpen performances.
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    Old 05-03-2015, 07:43 PM   #1058
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    This is pretty embarrassing they are about to get swept by the Minnesota Twins. Not a good start to the season the only thing that has worked is the bullpen. They are wasting great bullpen performances.
    Even if Ventura is a sacrificial lamb (which I don't think he is, I think he sucks) you need to send a message to this team. Too talented to be this fucking bad, it's pathetic.
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    Yeah thats what needs to happen. I mean you're getting beat by the Twins come on.
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    Old 05-06-2015, 09:32 PM   #1060
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    Joba Chamberlain

    These assholes are going to go on a run before the wheels completely fall off and team will be managed by Ventura until season's end.
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    Old 05-06-2015, 10:41 PM   #1061
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    Even if Ventura is a sacrificial lamb (which I don't think he is, I think he sucks) you need to send a message to this team. Too talented to be this fucking bad, it's pathetic.
    I know the Sox have won two in a row so maybe the hot seat has cooled a little, but I haven't seen a ton of evidence that Ventura is a quality manager. I think part of the problem is that it's not even a job he sought. They just kind of gave it to him. From what I told the players do actually like Ventura, but that's not always enough. Maybe getting a different voice in there is what this team needs.

    I was listening to something the other day (blanking on what) but they said Reinsdorf and Coop would have to ok firing Robin and hiring someone else. I was really bothered by that notion. In my opinion the more control you give to Hahn the better.
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    Old 05-06-2015, 11:15 PM   #1062
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    Zep you are spot on in your post; it's an inept organization at this point from JR on down. I can't fathom why Hahn needs approval to fire a guy like Ventura when GarPax can unilaterally jettison Thibs. It makes no fucking sense. i'm sure the players love Robin, I usually love my bosses that let me skate by and do whatever I want with no measure of accountability....
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    Old 05-07-2015, 12:01 AM   #1063
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    Zep you are spot on in your post; it's an inept organization at this point from JR on down. I can't fathom why Hahn needs approval to fire a guy like Ventura when GarPax can unilaterally jettison Thibs. It makes no fucking sense. i'm sure the players love Robin, I usually love my bosses that let me skate by and do whatever I want with no measure of accountability....
    Pax gets so much power because like Robin he's a former player. I hate how Reinsdorf runs the Bulls, and it's the main reason I'm glad I'm not a Sox fan. It's odd I never became one because growing up my mom used to get tons of free Sox tickets, and I loved going to see Frank Thomas.

    The Coop stuff is just odd because I understand he's good, but he appears to have an insane amount of power for a pitching coach.

    Sox Team ERA year to year [Coop took over mid-02 so I didn't count it]

    2003: 4.17 ERA (13th)
    2004: 4.91 ERA (25th)
    2005: 3.61 ERA (4th)
    2006: 4.61 ERA (21st)
    2007: 4.77 ERA (25th)
    2008: 4.06 ERA (11th)
    2009: 4.14 ERA (7th)
    2010: 4.09 ERA (18th)
    2011: 4.10 ERA (19th)
    2012: 4.02 ERA (19th)
    2013: 3.98 ERA (19th)
    2014: 4.29 ERA (27th)
    2015: 4.45 ERA (25th)

    The Sox pitching staff has only finished in the top 10 twice. I understand there's been issues with the talent, ect. ect. but I'm just not sure the accolades warrant the power.
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    Old 05-07-2015, 10:51 AM   #1064
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    I know the Sox have won two in a row so maybe the hot seat has cooled a little, but I haven't seen a ton of evidence that Ventura is a quality manager. I think part of the problem is that it's not even a job he sought. They just kind of gave it to him. From what I told the players do actually like Ventura, but that's not always enough. Maybe getting a different voice in there is what this team needs.

    I was listening to something the other day (blanking on what) but they said Reinsdorf and Coop would have to ok firing Robin and hiring someone else. I was really bothered by that notion. In my opinion the more control you give to Hahn the better.
    I remember the first time I heard they hired him i was dumbfounded. The first question i thought of was has he ever managed before? I soon found out he did not haha.
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    Old 05-07-2015, 10:52 AM   #1065
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    The thing that sucks for both the Bulls and White Sox is whoever the next coach/manager is it will most likely be a first time coach/manager instead of someone with experience. It's really annoying.
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    Old 05-09-2015, 07:39 PM   #1066
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    Rodon better not go back to the pen. Fuck this handling pitchers with kid gloves, how did that work out for the Nats and Strasburg? Rodon is an immediate upgrade to the rotation. Shit, he might immediately be the 3rd best starter.
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    Old 05-10-2015, 10:35 AM   #1067
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    If Rodon pitches well again I would think he could probably be the starter for a good part of the rest of the season.
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    Old 05-17-2015, 05:42 PM   #1068
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    Sox actually get to .500, would be nice to continue their play against the Indians and Twins.
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    It's been fun to watch lately, that's for sure.
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    Old 05-17-2015, 08:47 PM   #1070
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    Avasail Garcia has been playing really well so far this year. I can't even remember the last time they played this well in Oakland.
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    First sweep in Oakland since 1997
    Also, Sanchez is soooo much better than Micah right now.
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    Especially defensively.
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    Hahn on Robin: "We're all in this 100% together. We're all accountable together. Should we get to the point where that changes, you'll know & we'll explain why..."

    I'm not sure how much longer Robin will be manager, but who do Sox fans want to take over if it goes that route?
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    Old 06-17-2015, 03:08 PM   #1074
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    Hahn on Robin: "We're all in this 100% together. We're all accountable together. Should we get to the point where that changes, you'll know & we'll explain why..."

    I'm not sure how much longer Robin will be manager, but who do Sox fans want to take over if it goes that route?
    I don't care anyone that has some experience managing a team. It really doesn't matter though until they start drafting and developing players better nothing is really going to change.
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    Old 06-17-2015, 08:41 PM   #1075
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    I don't care anyone that has some experience managing a team. It really doesn't matter though until they start drafting and developing players better nothing is really going to change.
    They do need an upgrade over Robin but more important they need offensive talent.

    One thing I find strange is the White Sox keep taking pitching at the top of the draft. Offense is harder to find than pitching. College bats are very projectable and guys selected in the Top 10 have a high hit rate these days.

    Cubs in recent years passed on Gray and took Bryant. Sox took Rodon and the next pick the Cubs took Schwarber. Sox take another pitcher in Fulmer and Cubs go with another top college bat in Happ the next pick.

    I'm not saying the Sox need to mimic the Cubs in taking a top college bat every draft, but it's one of the few places you can find an elite talent position player. You don't want to waste Sale's prime because you never surround the guy with an offense.
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    It wouldn't be Chicago sports if we didn't waste a talent like Sale.

    Urlacher, Sale, Sosa, etc.

    It's tradition. Fuck this whole thing to high hell. Sox suck.
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    Old 06-18-2015, 05:32 AM   #1077
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    They do need an upgrade over Robin but more important they need offensive talent.

    One thing I find strange is the White Sox keep taking pitching at the top of the draft. Offense is harder to find than pitching. College bats are very projectable and guys selected in the Top 10 have a high hit rate these days.

    Cubs in recent years passed on Gray and took Bryant. Sox took Rodon and the next pick the Cubs took Schwarber. Sox take another pitcher in Fulmer and Cubs go with another top college bat in Happ the next pick.

    I'm not saying the Sox need to mimic the Cubs in taking a top college bat every draft, but it's one of the few places you can find an elite talent position player. You don't want to waste Sale's prime because you never surround the guy with an offense.
    I don't know man Rodon looks like he might end up being at least a 2/3 guy. I think they did fine to address the offense in the offseason. There's no way the lineup should be putting up <3 runs this often. Eaton is plenty solid, Melky Cabrera is above average, Abreu is a stud, LaRoche was a good sign, Avi is a fairly high ceiling guy, Alexei is an above average SS, Beckham is basically a AAAA guy, I can't believe Flowers still has a job, and Sanchez projects to be a decent starter. I basically see 2 holes in the lineup; catcher (which most teams can't hit at) and 3b (which is more of a concern). Anderson should be a decent starter and I believe Micah is better than he showed but was rushed up. Chris Sale and Rodon are the last 2 pitchers the Sox have drafted in the first and its hard to argue against either of those picks right now. Rather, I would say when they do take hitters, they need to take baseball players not "toolsy," raw athlete types. Let's not forget that Robin wasn't meant to ever really take this team anywhere. He was hired to plod along for a couple of years during the "rebuild," but everyone got excited when they thought the team may be competitive. At this point I don't think they are in rebuilding mode anymore so I would can his ass and hire someone competent. They'll probably hire Konerko or something.

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    I was really drunk with that post.
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    The Sox draft pitchers because that's what they are good at developing. Their track record with developing position players/hitters is abysmal. Plus there doesn't seem to be any organizational philosophy when it comes to hitting (aside from the old softball mentality) .

    Robin needs to go. But that is only one part of the problem. Nothing will really change until Jerry sells the team. KW still has a ton of influence and Hahn has even said he needs to run things by KW before he can do anything, which is not the way things should be done. If Hahn can't have the freedom to do what he wants then they are wasting his talents as well. Hahn is a good GM and has done a great job in replenishing the minors, it's going to suck to watch him succeed somewhere else because Jerry values loyalty more than anything. And as far as replacing Robin goes, I want someone who has no ties to the Sox and has managerial experience. But that most likely won't happen.

    I'm pretty much done with this team. They suck at fundamentals, they can't hit, there doesn't seem to be any accountability, it's just a complete mess.
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    the Sox are playing especially poor baseball. didn't realize how sub-par they really were until watching them live this past week

    doesn't help that they ran into a red hot pirates team
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