Who is the historically better QB: Manning vs Brady

[1eyed_jack]

So the way I see it is it's like a video game, Brady is working his way through all the big bosses, and after seemingly defeating Favre, his next boss is Peyton Manning.

So, who the better All-Time QB, Peyton Manning or Tom Brady?

[grace2]

Tom Brady

[kittensXLI]

Peyton Manning

[jaking1185]

Right now, I'd have to go with Manning.

[STLDAVE41]

Sam Bradford

but out of the options listed i will go with the Brady bunch

[1eyed_jack]

I'll throw some stuff in here i used in the other thread, you know, some actual stats

Manning has had 10 years with a QB rating of 90 or higher
Brady has had 5 years with a QB rating of 90 or higher

brady might get there, but in no way right now is brady higher on the all-time list

[pathetic]

so the big boss is peyton manning? someone with less playoff/superbowl victories than brady? what kind of game is this? twilight zone?

brady is better

[kittensXLI]

Brady is easily more clutch than Manning, and that's about it.

[dmbmuskie]

Brady has had the better career, but Manning has done more to change the way we look at QBs. Brady probably deserves more credit for all the in-game adjustments and pre-game prep, but the people I know who know say Manning is on a whole other plane in terms of responsability.

If you are starting a team from scratch tommorrow. You would want the next Manning not the next Brady.

[1eyed_jack]

Originally Posted by pathetic

so the big boss is peyton manning? someone with less playoff/superbowl victories than brady? what kind of game is this? twilight zone?

brady is better

so barry sanders is no good?

emmitt smith is better than walter payton?

wes welker is better than chris carter?

[JRS1386]

This is a dead tie for me, but I went to Brady. I feel like Manning has had better offensive weapons to work with than Brady, so that is what I used as a tie breaker.

[rickyh24]

Brad historically has 3 super bowl rings.

[kittensXLI]

Manning has better weapons? Maybe Brady has better coaches, schemes, and systems?

[pathetic]

Originally Posted by 1eyed_jack

so barry sanders is no good?

emmitt smith is better than walter payton?

wes welker is better than chris carter?

when you're comparing two players that you could make a case for either one being the better QB, the one with 3 rings shines brighter (c wut i did there?)

[kittensXLI]

I find it very hard to believe New England fans would give Manning the advantage in a talent tie due to Manning winning a hypothetical 3 rings and Brady a hypothetical 1. Typical.

Aside from being vastly more clutch, Brady's advantage over Manning is a team accomplishment? Thanks.

[1eyed_jack]

Originally Posted by pathetic

when you're comparing two players that you could make a case for either one being the better QB, the one with 3 rings shines brighter (c wut i did there?)

yeah, you ignored stats and went with the guy from your team

[pathetic]

Originally Posted by 1eyed_jack

yeah, you ignored stats and went with the guy from your team

i ignored stats?

do you have any idea how many of these threads/convo's i've been in the past few years. i'm tired of posting stats after stats after stats about it.

taking nothing away from manning...when brady got similar weapons that manning had (brady got welker/moss manning had harrison/wayne) tom put up better numbers than anyone in nfl history.

[javierm27]

At this point its Manning, Brady has had some great defenses to cover up his flaws/mistakes. But I think when its all said and done, Brady will come up on top.

[pathetic]

Originally Posted by javierm27

At this point its Manning, Brady has had some great defenses to cover up his flaws/mistakes. But I think when its all said and done, Brady will come up on top.

please explain. which flaws are you talking about? the balding?

[STLDAVE41]

Originally Posted by pathetic

please explain. which flaws are you talking about? his current haircut?

fixed for ya buddy

[lockman21]

Figuring playoff wins and championships is an extremely overrated and overblown way to measure a player's ability.

Tom Brady is a HELL of a QB, and a great story for the Patriots.

That said, I would rather have Peyton as my QB than Brady, but it's not like I'd be upset if I had Brady

[kittensXLI]

Things Tom Brady Does Awesome :

1.) His hair.

2.) Being clutch.







3.) Nothing else.

[RJP2741]

The answer is Brady. I think that's pretty clear at this point.

[DMBstandUP1984]

Originally Posted by pathetic

so the big boss is peyton manning? someone with less playoff/superbowl victories than brady? what kind of game is this? twilight zone?

brady is better

well if the next poll is who has more superbowl wins I guess we can all vote for brady

Who is the historically better QB?..well since Manning holds a ton more records, and has changed how we look at the quarterback position.....then Manning

[javierm27]

Originally Posted by pathetic

please explain. which flaws are you talking about? the balding?

Haha no but that would be a good one. More along of the lines of turnovers. With the defenses that Brady has had his turnovers don't effect the game as much as they would for Manning. For the record, I hate comparisons until careers are over. But as of now, Manning is ahead, but at the end when its all said and done it looks like Brady will be on top between these two.

[STLDAVE41]

Originally Posted by lockman21

Figuring playoff wins and championships is an extremely overrated and overblown way to measure a player's ability.

agreed, but the question was historically better. history remembers champions. especially in the NFL, more than any other professional sport. Manning may be more talented (though its close), Brady is historically the better QB

[pathetic]

Originally Posted by javierm27

Haha no but that would be a good one. More along of the lines of turnovers. With the defenses that Brady has had his turnovers don't effect the game as much as they would for Manning. For the record, I hate comparisons until careers are over. But as of now, Manning is ahead, but at the end when its all said and done it looks like Brady will be on top between these two.

brady hasnt turned the ball over much in his career.

[1eyed_jack]

Originally Posted by STLDAVE41

agreed, but the question was historically better. history remembers champions. especially in the NFL, more than any other professional sport. Manning may be more talented (though its close), Brady is historically the better QB

i'd argue that the NBA remembers champions more than the NFL.

in the NBA, one player can impact an entire game. Jordan did it at the offensive and defensive end.

football players only play half the game, they have no control over the game on the other side, so it's much harder for one person to win a superbowl

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

McNabb has a lot of records too... is he better than Tom Brady??

Tom Brady hands down

[lockman21]

Originally Posted by STLDAVE41

agreed, but the question was historically better. history remembers champions. especially in the NFL, more than any other professional sport. Manning may be more talented (though its close), Brady is historically the better QB

The poll is made pretty idiotically, there's no arguing that. The thread says historically better and the poll question is which is the better QB (as is the OP). I'm just assuming he was asking who was the better QB and answering that question.

Peyton and Brady are clearly 1 and 2 in the league right now, with Brees taking up position #3, IMO.

Arguing against either (Tom/Peyton) is tough, but when you break it down statistically it all becomes pretty damn even.

I don't know if people realize this, but they both have the EXACT SAME QB rating for their careers. Tom has a marginally better TD/INT ratio, but also fumbles the ball a lot more than Manning. Peyton has only lost 17 fumbles in his entire career. That's pretty amazing considering how many games he's played (compare Peyton's 17 in 205 games to Cutler's 15 in 65 games. Ouch).

Peyton has an eye like no one else I've seen though. The way he runs that offense is absolutely incredible. His ability to adjust to what's in front of him and create something is unparalleled. That's what gives him the edge for me.