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Old 12-15-2010, 12:17 PM   #61
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I'm sure he's great at buttering the floor but I don't see how that pertains to this discussion.
Trolling is fun I guess huh?
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    Um....what?
    all-time quarterback means throughout the HISTORY of the NFL, no?

    so what the hell are you getting your panties in a bunch over?
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    Old 12-15-2010, 12:19 PM   #63
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    Re: Who is the historically better QB: Manning vs Brady

    Personally, I think it's really tough to actually compare the two. Where Tom is weak, Manning is strong and vice-versa.

    But, I went with some of the following criteria:

    1. It's a bilzzard out and you're facing the Bears, Vikings, Giants, whatever. Who do I want starting? Brady
    2. It's playoffs time and the fourth quarter and my team is down by 4 with 3 minutes left. Who do I want driving down the field? Brady
    3. It's Super Bowl time and who has the higher SB win percentage? Brady
    4. It's FF draft Time and I have the 8th pick in the first round, who do I go to? Manning
    5. Both of their teams lose their starting WR and starting RB. Who would I know would work better with more in the IR? Brady
    6. One of their Offensive Coordinators dies late one Saturday night. Who do I go with? Brady (since Manning is the offensive coordinator...TRICK QUESTION)
    7. Who would openly talk, on camera, about how much they hate the fucking Jets? Brady (Okay, this one doesn't matter, but it's fun)
    8. When given insane offensive weapons, who has more TDs? Brady

    I'll go with Tommy. Plus, I wanna fuck him more, so he wins automatically.
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    Old 12-15-2010, 12:19 PM   #64
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    Clearly things like "Only quarterback to start and win 3 Super Bowls before his 28th birthday." are cool, but that is completely irrelevant to the talents Brady has over Manning.
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    Clearly things like "Only quarterback to start and win 3 Super Bowls before his 28th birthday." are cool, but that is completely irrelevant to the talents Brady has over Manning.
    Way to pick out one stat/record that doesn't really matter when I posted 4 paragraphs of facts and stats.
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    Trolling is fun I guess huh?
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    Brady, quite easily.

    Also, what significant records does Donovan McNabb own?
    "Most excuses made when he fails three years in a row"?
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    Way to pick out one stat/record that doesn't really matter when I posted 4 paragraphs of facts and stats.
    It's been three pages now and I still haven't been explained what Brady does better than Manning besides being superiorly clutch.
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    LOL, u mad?
    LOL, u retarded?
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    Old 12-15-2010, 12:22 PM   #70
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    It's been three pages now and I still haven't been explained what Brady does better than Manning besides being superiorly clutch.
    Yes and you have been posting some ground breaking material to support your case.

    again


    NFL records

    Wins

    * Fastest quarterback to reach 100 regular season wins as a starter (131 starts).
    * Most consecutive wins in post season: 10 (2001, 2003, 2004)
    * Most consecutive wins in regular-season home games: 26 (2006-2010).
    * Only quarterback to start and win 3 Super Bowls before his 28th birthday.

    Touchdowns

    * Highest total passing touchdowns in a regular season: 50 (2007)
    * Highest total passing touchdowns in a season: 56 (2007)
    * Highest total passing touchdowns in a single quarter: 5 (2009)
    * Largest touchdown to interception difference: +42 (2007)
    * Most games with three or more touchdown passes in a regular season: 12 (2007)
    * Most touchdown passes in a month: 20 (October 2007)
    * Only quarterback to have 3+ passing touchdowns in 10 straight games.

    Completions

    * Highest completion percentage in a single game: 92.9% (2007)
    * Tied for most completions in a Super Bowl: 32 (XXXVIII)
    * Most career Super Bowl completions: 100 (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLII)
    * Most consecutive completions to start a career without an interception: 162

    Career bests

    * Highest single-game quarterback rating: 158.3 (at Miami, October 21, 2007 and at Detroit, November 25, 2010) Perfect Rating
    * Highest single-season quarterback rating: 117.2 (2007) 2nd highest all-time
    * Highest single-game completion percentage: 92.9% (vs. Jacksonville, January 12, 2008) NFL Record
    * Highest total passing touchdowns in a game: 6 (at Miami, October 21, 2007 and vs. Tennessee, October 18, 2009)
    * Highest total passing touchdowns in a quarter: 5 (vs. Tennessee, October 18, 2009) NFL Record
    * Highest total passing touchdowns in a regular season: 50 (2007) NFL Record
    * Highest total passing yards in a game: 410 (vs. Kansas City, 2002)
    * Highest total passing yards in a season: 4,806 (2007)
    * Lowest interception total, season (minimum 2 starts): 8 (2007)
    * Largest touchdown to interception difference: +42 (2007) NFL Record

    21-game win streak statistics (including post-season)

    * 690 passes attempted
    * 412 passes completed
    * 4,953 passing yards
    * 34 passing touchdowns
    * 13 passes intercepted
    * 20.29 passing attempts per touchdown
    * 53.07 passing attempts per interception
    * 59.71 completion rate
    * 90.3 passer rating

    Career

    * 108–32 (regular season), 122–36 (career) as a starter
    * 8–1 (career) in overtime games
    * 33–6 (career) vs. NFC teams
    * 31 game-winning drives after a Patriots' fourth-quarter tie or deficit[65]

    Post-season records and statistics

    * NFL record for most consecutive wins in post season: 10 (broke record of Green Bay's Bart Starr).
    * Most consecutive post season wins (college and professional combined): 12
    * 3 Super Bowl victories
    * 2 Super Bowl MVP awards
    * Most completions in a Super Bowl (32 in Super Bowl XXXVIII)
    * Most career Super Bowl completions (100 in four games)
    * Highest completion percentage in a single game, minimum 20 attempts (26 of 28, 92.9%, against Jacksonville in 2007 AFC Divisional round)[66]
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    "Most touchdown passes in a month: 20 (October 2007)" does not prove any TALENT Brady does better than Manning.
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    "Most touchdown passes in a month: 20 (October 2007)" does not prove any TALENT Brady does better than Manning.
    again way to single out one fact out of 50.
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    Way to pick out one stat/record that doesn't really matter when I posted 4 paragraphs of facts and stats.
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    this argument will be pointless in 10-12 years because Sam the Ram will be better than both

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    Arguing with statistics for two players like this usually ends up pointless, considering you can come up with a solid argument for either.
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    Things Tom Brady Does Awesome :

    1.) His hair.

    2.) Being clutch.







    3.) Nothing else.
    Couldn't help but respond to this post.

    Are you being serious? If you think Brady is only good at being clutch, then you don't know much about football. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and think you're joking though.

    Tom Brady is amazing at reading a defense and figuring out what they're doing. Even before some of the defenders know...Peyton is great at this as well. In my opinion, they both do many of the same things, but in slightly different ways. Brady's throwing mechanics are MUCH better than Manning's.

    Sure, Manning has had more seasons with a 90+ passer rating...but so? I agree that that can be a useful stat, but it also a skewed one. Tom Brady plays in the northeast outside. Peyton Manning plays in a heated DOME where he can be nice and comfortable in his short sleeves throughout Nov-Jan...

    Peyton has had elite weapons around him at all times his entire career. Brady clearly has not. When he finally did get some in 2007, well, you know what happened. And on that note, I am getting sick of hearing about how the media is feeling sorry for Peyton this year because he "doesnt have any WR"..What? Wayne, Garcon, Tamme are better than most WR corps...

    I respect the opinion of those who think Manning will go down as the better QB of the two, but to say it's a landslide or to dismiss Tom Brady is just ridiculous. Basically, it's a debate with no definitive answer. But it sure makes for an interesting debate.
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    Couldn't help but respond to this post.

    Are you being serious? If you think Brady is only good at being clutch, then you don't know much about football. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and think you're joking though.

    Tom Brady is amazing at reading a defense and figuring out what they're doing. Even before some of the defenders know...Peyton is great at this as well. In my opinion, they both do many of the same things, but in slightly different ways. Brady's throwing mechanics are MUCH better than Manning's.

    Sure, Manning has had more seasons with a 90+ passer rating...but so? I agree that that can be a useful stat, but it also a skewed one. Tom Brady plays in the northeast outside. Peyton Manning plays in a heated DOME where he can be nice and comfortable in his short sleeves throughout Nov-Jan...

    Peyton has had elite weapons around him at all times his entire career. Brady clearly has not. When he finally did get some in 2007, well, you know what happened. And on that note, I am getting sick of hearing about how the media is feeling sorry for Peyton this year because he "doesnt have any WR"..What? Wayne, Garcon, Tamme are better than most WR corps...

    I respect the opinion of those who think Manning will go down as the better QB of the two, but to say it's a landslide or to dismiss Tom Brady is just ridiculous. Basically, it's a debate with no definitive answer. But it sure makes for an interesting debate.
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    Couldn't help but respond to this post.

    Are you being serious? If you think Brady is only good at being clutch, then you don't know much about football. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and think you're joking though.

    Tom Brady is amazing at reading a defense and figuring out what they're doing. Even before some of the defenders know...Peyton is great at this as well. In my opinion, they both do many of the same things, but in slightly different ways. Brady's throwing mechanics are MUCH better than Manning's.

    Sure, Manning has had more seasons with a 90+ passer rating...but so? I agree that that can be a useful stat, but it also a skewed one. Tom Brady plays in the northeast outside. Peyton Manning plays in a heated DOME where he can be nice and comfortable in his short sleeves throughout Nov-Jan...

    Peyton has had elite weapons around him at all times his entire career. Brady clearly has not. When he finally did get some in 2007, well, you know what happened. And on that note, I am getting sick of hearing about how the media is feeling sorry for Peyton this year because he "doesnt have any WR"..What? Wayne, Garcon, Tamme are better than most WR corps...

    I respect the opinion of those who think Manning will go down as the better QB of the two, but to say it's a landslide or to dismiss Tom Brady is just ridiculous. Basically, it's a debate with no definitive answer. But it sure makes for an interesting debate.
    hahahahahaha first post?

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    I've been an avid Peyton supporter for a while, but I think Brady has over taken him. Granted Brady has a great system and coaching staff to work with, but he's never had a great receiver like Reggie Wayne or Marvin Harrison for an extended period of time. Plus, he's clutch and a great leader. Two of the best to ever play the game.
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    I say Peyton. It's close, but I think Peyton Manning is the best QB ever, between his intelligence, his preparation, his skills, and the fact that he's been the offensive coordinator for years.

    Taking nothing away from Brady, but what Manning does amazes me. I know Brady is clutch, but I've never seen a 2-minute drill run the way Manning does.

    And like Chris^^ said, you can make these statistics say whatever you want. I would want both of them to QB my favorite team.
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    again way to single out one fact out of 50.
    Okay, so that makes 2 randomly selected facts out of 45 that don't support your argument.

    Did you even read the list? It doesn't prove TALENTS Brady does better than Manning. It's a list of accomplishments. Which can easily be summarized by 3 rings > 1. Which proves nothing to the TALENTS of two discussed players.

    That list was full of wins "stats" and situational stats. Not of talents or skills. The only talent or skill related point to be brought out of it all is Brady is more clutch. Which I've said in every post in this thread about him.

    Heck, break down the section on 21-game winning streak stats. He averages 235 YPG, 26 TDs, and 10 INTs over a 16 game span by those numbers. Nothing spectacular. You just can't compare it to anyone else because it's an ACCOMPLISHMENT no one else has, over the duration and because of games that were won, which is primarily a TEAM judgement.

    Not sure why you don't understand this. Wait. It's because it's about your QB.
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    It's been three pages now and I still haven't been explained what Brady does better than Manning besides being superiorly clutch.
    Works better with less...

    If you put Peyton Manning on the 2006 New England Patriots and his WR1 is Reche Caldwell, I find it hard to believe Manning would have done as well as Brady. Obviously, this is only my opinion because there's nothing to back it up since it didn't happen...So, yeah lol.

    Brady is a better leader than Manning, and there's honestly no debate against that. Their arm strengths are quite similar. I would actually argue that Brady's accuracy is better. I'm not talking completely a pass accuracy. I mean putting the ball where only the WR can get it and leading him for a run after the catch. Not many do that better than Brady, if anyone in the league right now even.

    And you keep dismissing the clutch factor? Why? Because it goes against your opinion? Being clutch and being able to lead your team to a win is actually quite important for a QB when discussing QB talent and intangibles. If Manning was the better at being clutch, I feel like you would be adding it to your list of why Manning is better....

    And you keep asking for things Brady does better. I'll ask you...What does Peyton do that Brady doesn't when given the same weapons?
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    Okay, so that makes 2 randomly selected facts out of 45 that don't support your argument.

    Did you even read the list? It doesn't prove TALENTS Brady does better than Manning. It's a list of accomplishments. Which can easily be summarized by 3 rings > 1. Which proves nothing to the TALENTS of two discussed players.
    Did you even read the list???

    * Highest total passing touchdowns in a regular season: 50 (2007)
    * Highest total passing touchdowns in a season: 56 (2007)
    * Highest total passing touchdowns in a single quarter: 5 (2009)
    * Largest touchdown to interception difference: +42 (2007)
    * Most games with three or more touchdown passes in a regular season: 12 (2007)
    * Most touchdown passes in a month: 20 (October 2007)
    * Only quarterback to have 3+ passing touchdowns in 10 straight games.
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    at least it was a good one.
    Because it bottom lines at agreeing with you on Brady > Manning.
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    Just registered and this is the first post you respond to?
    Yeah. I find sports debating fun and interesting. Which side are you on here? Brady or Manning?
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    Because it bottom lines at agreeing with you on Brady > Manning.
    No because they took the time to tell you why you're an idiot. It wasn't worth my time.
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    Yeah you can't just say "well Brady has 3 rings so he's better", that's not the question. I don't really know who I think is "historically" better, but it's a lot closer than some of you are making it. Manning has changed the way the QB position is played, and while Brady is clutch as shit, I don't know if he's had the same type of impact on the position that Manning has.
    How has Manning changed the way QB is played? They still drop back and throw, right?

    I mean seriously, how has he revolutionized the position? I can't think of a single thing he's done other than call many of his own plays that separartes him from any other good QB. Hell, Vick, Young, and McNabb did more to change that position than Manning.

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    It's not all about rings. Hell, Robert Horry has won more NBA Championships than Charles Barkley, Michael Jordan, Kareem, Kobe, Oscar Robertson, etc.

    Championships as an argument don't hold a lot of water most of the time. Especially in a sport like football.

    Brady has also had the luxury of playing in front of great offensive lines, having shut down defenses, and having one of the absolute greatest football minds of all time (which includes the ability to hire an incredible staff of coordinators).
    Brady had a great offensive line and shutdown defenses? Maybe a good line and good defenses, but he never had anything in the "great" category.

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    Joe Flacco > Jay Cutler > Peyton Manning > the rest of the NFL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tom Brady

    Fact.
    That's about right.
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    Did you even read the list???

    * Highest total passing touchdowns in a regular season: 50 (2007)
    * Highest total passing touchdowns in a season: 56 (2007)
    * Highest total passing touchdowns in a single quarter: 5 (2009)
    * Largest touchdown to interception difference: +42 (2007)
    * Most games with three or more touchdown passes in a regular season: 12 (2007)
    * Most touchdown passes in a month: 20 (October 2007)
    * Only quarterback to have 3+ passing touchdowns in 10 straight games.
    So you're saying because Brady throws more (the most) touchdowns in a season, he's the best touchdown thrower ever? So Brett is clearly the best QB because he's the most at the most things.

    Tell me a TALENT Brady has or does better than Manning, besides being crazy-more clutch. You've avoided it this entire time. It's because there is nothing. TALENT.
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    Arguing with statistics for two players like this usually ends up pointless, considering you can come up with a solid argument for either.
    I agree. Honestly, it's an endless argument. Point is, both are great. And we've been priviledged to see two of the best all time playing against each other and being compared to one another for so long. When it's all said and done, they could possibly be the two best of all time...
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