Restaurant Etiquette

[ExistenceNow]

It's the same work for the same money and you pay for it either way. How is it charity if it's in tip form but honest labor if it's in price form? That makes zero sense.

[justink]

A lot of people have two degrees. Most of them do something with it though. Even in education, they're called principals and counselors.

DoOrDoNot should wait tables in the summer to supplement his income.

[thebridge15]

Originally Posted by DoOrDoNotNoTry

How is it not a charity? Tipping is expected because servers make less than minimum wage. "Aw, they only make $3/hour -- better give them some more!" It is literally the definition of charity.

My contention is that the labor of the person serving me (which often isn't the same person who takes the order) should be included in the price. It is with other jobs. Why not in the food industry?

And Jesus tittyfucking Christ, folks: you continue to take my comment about degrees out of context and distort it to better serve your argument; you're like my ex-girlfriend. I'm not "lording" shit.

My comment was in response to the fact that you don't need a college degree to be a server. In fact, you don't even have to try that hard, and yet you're still rewarded with a tip. And serving isn't that difficult of a job in the first place! Why not reward those who actually work hard? Dear baby Jesus, I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with Jeep Kid in all this.

right. you're saying this sarcastically, but that is the thought process

you may hate the current system, but if you're this against tipping, don't eat out

[thebridge15]

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

It's the same work for the same money and you pay for it either way. How is it charity if it's in tip form but honest labor if it's in price form? That makes zero sense.

this is what I said earlier and jeep kid responded with some form of math

[mrignatious]

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

It's the same work for the same money and you pay for it either way. How is it charity if it's in tip form but honest labor if it's in price form? That makes zero sense.

Isn't it obvious? He doesn't get tipped, why should someone else?

[thebridge15]

do or do not should take his bountiful income and go visit europe. most countries there would be baffled at the thought of tipping

[justink]

There's a lot of waiters in Austin with two or three degrees.

Lots of doctors waiting tables.

I bet they don't tell all their guests about their degrees and their dodge stratus though.

[DoOrDoNotNoTry]

Originally Posted by justink

Wait, your ex girlfriend noticed your pretentious and douchey behavior too?

You'd think that might clue you in to something man.

Yeah, it's clued me in that she was a cunt and so are a bunch of people in this thread.

Originally Posted by thebridge15

it's not exactly charity to give someone who's doing work for you specifically money

do you not tip movers for example? valets?

Originally Posted by thebridge15

right. you're saying this sarcastically, but that is the thought process

you may hate the current system, but if you're this against tipping, don't eat out

I'm not saying it sarcastically at all. I know it's the thought process, and it's flawed. Serves will put forth a minimal effort (as people who have worked in the food industry have indicated here), but they're still expecting a tip. Why are we as a society continuing to reward mediocrity with charity?

I've made it clear that I rarely eat out, but I'll continue to cherish your suggestion!

[justink]

Do servers with degrees deserve higher tips?

Serious question. DoOrDoNot seems to imply that degrees = $$$

[DoOrDoNotNoTry]

Originally Posted by justink

There's a lot of waiters in Austin with two or three degrees.

Lots of doctors waiting tables.

I bet they don't tell all their guests about their degrees and their dodge stratus though.

What do you do for a living, cupcake?

Originally Posted by justink

Do servers with degrees deserve higher tips?

Serious question. DoOrDoNot seems to imply that degrees = $$$

Your inference isn't the same as my implication. Try not to get the two confused.

[justink]

Originally Posted by DoOrDoNotNoTry

What do you do for a living, cupcake?



Your inference isn't the same as my implication. Try not to get the two confused.

If you want to get into a degree and wage swinging dick competition, you are lording up the wrong tree peasant.



I just believe you should take care of the people who take care of you.

[mrignatious]

Yeah I really don't understand any argument against tipping. If you are against the system, not tipping isn't going to change it.

[DoOrDoNotNoTry]

Originally Posted by justink

If you want to get into a degree and wage swinging dick competition, you are lording up the wrong tree peasant.



I just believe you should take care of the people who take care of you.

No one is pulling their dick out, so stop fantasizing.

Good to see you hold servers in higher regard than educators -- says a lot about your moral fiber.

[DMBstandUP1984]

this got uncomfortable

[ExistenceNow]

Originally Posted by DoOrDoNotNoTry

Yeah, it's clued me in that she was a cunt and so are a bunch of people in this thread.






I'm not saying it sarcastically at all. I know it's the thought process, and it's flawed. Serves will put forth a minimal effort (as people who have worked in the food industry have indicated here), but they're still expecting a tip. Why are we as a society continuing to reward mediocrity with charity?

I've made it clear that I rarely eat out, but I'll continue to cherish your suggestion!

No. It's not the thought process. The thought process is that someone is providing you a service for which they have not been compensated. As the recipient of said service, you should be the one to compensate.

And the minimal effort I mentioned previously was when you know you're not getting a tip. I bet you wouldn't teach a class for free.

[ExistenceNow]

Originally Posted by DoOrDoNotNoTry

No one is pulling their dick out, so stop fantasizing.

Good to see you hold servers in higher regard than educators -- says a lot about your moral fiber.

Glad to see you think so lowly of work that doesn't require a degree or two. Says a lot about your moral fiber.

[DoOrDoNotNoTry]

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

No. It's not the thought process. The thought process is that someone is providing you a service for which they have not been compensated. As the recipient of said service, you should be the one to compensate.

And the minimal effort I mentioned previously was when you know you're not getting a tip. I bet you wouldn't teach a class for free.

Yeah, that's the definition of charity. I have taught a class for free, and I would do it again. I still put forth my best effort as an educator.

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

Glad to see you think so lowly of work that doesn't require a degree or two. Says a lot about your moral fiber.

That's the thing: I don't think lowly of the work. I think lowly of those who expect to be compensated for doing a mediocre job.

Am I not making myself clear here?

[MidwestGirl]

Originally Posted by DoOrDoNotNoTry

How is it not a charity? Tipping is expected because servers make less than minimum wage. "Aw, they only make $3/hour -- better give them some more!" It is literally the definition of charity.

My contention is that the labor of the person serving me (which often isn't the same person who takes the order) should be included in the price. It is with other jobs. Why not in the food industry?

And Jesus tittyfucking Christ, folks: you continue to take my comment about degrees out of context and distort it to better serve your argument; you're like my ex-girlfriend. I'm not "lording" shit.

My comment was in response to the fact that you don't need a college degree to be a server. In fact, you don't even have to try that hard, and yet you're still rewarded with a tip. And serving isn't that difficult of a job in the first place! Why not reward those who actually work hard? Dear baby Jesus, I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with Jeep Kid in all this.

Again, as you said yourself, you have never waited tables. So you have no idea how hard it can be. This of course depends on the restaurant, number of tables, guest expectations, etc.

Maybe "it's not that hard" at the type of place you dine at?

[justink]

Originally Posted by DoOrDoNotNoTry

No one is pulling their dick out, so stop fantasizing.

Good to see you hold servers in higher regard than educators -- says a lot about your moral fiber.

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

Glad to see you think so lowly of work that doesn't require a degree or two. Says a lot about your moral fiber.

This.

There's a lot of shitty teachers out there. Many of whom go into it because it provides so much vacation time while paying full time. And they typically do the least amount of effort toward educating our kids at all. So yes, please forgive me if I don't hold you in higher regard. Because the fact that you are arguing against tipping and being a contributing factor to society actually worries me the things you might be teaching our kids.

Originally Posted by DoOrDoNotNoTry

Yeah, that's the definition of charity. I have taught a class for free, and I would do it again. I still put forth my best effort as an educator.




That's the thing: I don't think lowly of the work. I think lowly of those who expect to be compensated for doing a mediocre job.

Am I not making myself clear here?

Post your kids test scores and we will determine how much money you don't get next year. Fair?

[MidwestGirl]

Originally Posted by mrignatious

If your ex had an issue with you talking about your degrees maybe the problem is you, not us.

Originally Posted by justink

Wait, your ex girlfriend noticed your pretentious and douchey behavior too?

You'd think that might clue you in to something man.

Originally Posted by thebridge15

it's not exactly charity to give someone who's doing work for you specifically money

do you not tip movers for example? valets?

bellman? hair stylist/barber? housekeeping? bartender? delivery people?
wedding vendors? taxi/limo drivers? massage therapist? skycap at the airport?

hookers?

There are lots of professions that work for and rely on tips in the US.

[DoOrDoNotNoTry]

Originally Posted by MidwestGirl

Again, as you said yourself, you have never waited tables. So you have no idea how hard it can be. This of course depends on the restaurant, number of tables, guest expectations, etc.

Maybe "it's not that hard" at the type of place you dine at?

Then why is it expected that someone at Applebee's gets the same tip as someone at Morton's?

[mrignatious]

Originally Posted by DoOrDoNotNoTry

Then why is it expected that someone at Applebee's gets the same tip as someone at Morton's?

Are you familiar with how percentages work?

[DoOrDoNotNoTry]

Originally Posted by justink

This.

There's a lot of shitty teachers out there. Many of whom go into it because it provides so much vacation time while paying full time. And they typically do the least amount of effort toward educating our kids at all. So yes, please forgive me if I don't hold you in higher regard. Because the fact that you are arguing against tipping and being a contributing factor to society actually worries me the things you might be teaching our kids.



Post your kids test scores and we will determine how much money you don't get next year. Fair?

And there's a lot of shitty servers out there. Why should they still be tipped the same amount as the good ones?

I'm not arguing against tipping (fucking read, man); I'm arguing against mediocrity.

I teach my students to put forth their best effort in every endeavor.

[aicdmb]

Where do you keep going that the service is so bad, dodnt??