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Originally Posted by recentlyJTR41
These are all good points. It's make you think. I love it.
1. Do you think it was a 14-17 year old? If so, do you really think a 14 year old could write a ransom note like that? The note has some odd words in a teenager would probably not think of. Not to mention the notepad was Patsy's so the note was written in the house. Did the killer turn the lights on and write this down at the kitchen table or something?
1a.
"adequate size attaché to the bank" “you will also be denied her remains for proper burial.” “Use that good southern common sense of yours.” “the delivery will be exhausting, so I advise you to be rested.”
I've never heard a teenager talk like that before. The handwriting examiner's link I posted before mentions how the font is "The font-style printing is a feminine trait that was more common in the 80’s and 90’s than it is today" So not only it was a young person, it was a young girl?
The intruder theory has legs as does the Ramsey side, but the glaring obvious of this case is the ransom note imo. Had there not been a ransom note I would be all for it being an intruder.
2. Jake, do you believe it was a kidnapping gone wrong or a murder that was staged as a kidnapping? How would a teenager unable to drive be able kidnap a little girl and then be able to give instructions on John Ramsey to set up a place to exchange the ransom for the girl? Kidnappers would need help I would think.
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1. absolutely. a 17 year old with a dumb name said this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7ymriMhoj0
that sounds like a 40 year old motivational speaker. It's awesome.
1a. I've know what an attache case is since I was 3. My dad had one. I though it was called an "aftershave case". Any affluent child living in the area knew what one was, because their dad had one.
2. see below
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Originally Posted by DaveHead36
To me the note reads like a cliche of any number of thriller movies all strung together.
Going with Jake's theory of a younger male: an intelligent, thriller movie-watcher, who was bored in suburbia ala Leopold and Loeb.
While the ransom note asking for $118,000 does seem fishy, it would depend on when Ramsey got the bonus or had knowledge of it. If he knew about it a month or so prior his wife could have bragged to one of her friends about the amount. Now if he didn't find out about it until a couple days prior then the evidence would point more strongly towards an inside job.
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the stub was right on the kitchen table
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Originally Posted by ExistenceNow
The whole "acted suspiciously for someone supposedly grieving" thing drives me crazy. Maybe they were distant toward each other because they conspired over their kid's murder, or maybe the sight of their spouse reminded them that the child they created together is dead and it hurt just to look at them. Who knows... you're not in their head.
Grief is such a ludicrous thing to try to analyze.
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Originally Posted by Lee3691
Regarding Ramsey, I always thought the brother was involved, but that's pure speculation. What's very scary to me is I have a daughter almost that age, and knowing there are some sick, evil people out there, is frightening.
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her brother was way too young.
tru dat. And Lee will attest to these 2 things, that I'm sure Dre knows as well; kids are damn hard sleepers. That's why the Tooth Fairy has been undiscovered for 300 years.
There's an important piece of evidence that I do not understand. JonBenet told her playmates friend that Santa 'promised' to visit her
after Xmas. But it was a secret. No one know when it was said to her and where - the "Santa" at her home Xmas party checked out clean. What did it mean? No one will ever know. Could just be a child's imagination. Could be something sinister.
disregarding the "Santa" lead, I think this is a scenario that is
possible. Someone from "around the neighborhood" enters the Ramsey house on Xmas night. They are between the age of 14-26. They probably don't have an airtight plan, but they know they're going to tie JonBenet up, take some pictures, and jerk off.
Once inside the easily accessible house (there were 7 'opened' doors or windows the morning of the 26th), they find a check stub for $118,000. They hatch a plan on the spot, and write a 3-page note describing a kidnapping. (it should be noted that 7 pages were torn out and the other 4 were never found, they were from the middle of a pad in the kitchen). They wipe down the pen, and the pad, as they learned to do from watching movies. The person goes upstairs and grabs a Barbie Doll and a dress, and goes downstairs to the basement. They put those things in a small suitcase to make it look like a kidnapping. But all they're going to do is just take her downstairs and leave her there.
After everyone arrives, the person is hidden in the home already. Everyone is asleep by 1030 - the kids are asleep once they are home. Pretty soon after everyone is home, maybe 11, the person sneaks out of the closet, and takes JonBenet downstairs. On the way down the stairs, she's heavier than he thinks, b/c kids are. He carries her across his arms, and her hair gets tangled in the garland on the steps. At some point - maybe right there in the kitchen, he hits her over the head with a flashlight. Why?
Because, in movies when you hit someone with a flashlight they get knocked out for a bit, and then come to later. He wipes the flashlight clean and leaves it where he found it.
in the basement, he does his thing, taping her mouth, tying her up, jerking off, snapping Polaroids. So he figures it's time to leave, and he
likely realizes that movies lie, and JonBenet is dead. The knock on the head killed her.
He gets the hell out of the house via the basement, using the small suitcase he brought downstairs as a step ladder out the window. He's probably gone before 1am.
this ignores the Santa, the light on in the kitchen reported by people at midnight, and the pineapple found in JonBenet's stomach that her parents don't recall her eating, and there was pineapple left out on the counter when John Ramsey got up that morning. So it's not a THAT IS HOW IT HAPPENED, but it's
plausible based on the evidence that it
could have happened in that manner where the parents had nothing to do with it.