Gotham (FOX Show)

[chadizzy1]

Lots of neat references and throwbacks in this week’s episode.

Catwoman going by “The Cat” is a throwback to her first appearance in the original Batman. Batman #1

Sal Maroni has been in the series since the Detective Comics days in the 40’s. He’s also the one who made Harvey Dent become Two Face in the old days by throwing a vial of acid at him when he is prosecuting Maroni for murder.

I think this week’s Joker hint could be the villains/abductors who had those creepy smiles on their faces.

Trident Incorporated Intercontinental Shipping billboard - I don’t know if I’m reading too much into that, but it could be a reference to Aquaman, though I don’t recall him ever owning a company.

Queen Consolidated Logo! That’s cool. Granted, Oliver Queen probably isn’t even born yet, or if he is he’s very young - but that would be interesting to see a future crossover if this show runs that long. Bruno Heller mentioned the potential of a future crossover, so we’ll see.

It was also interesting to see the Dollmaker, who was killed on CW’s Arrow by Canary. S02E03 - “Broken Dolls”

[wampa3]

Joker references I caught were just part of the dialogue. Cobblepot says "Joker" and somebody at one point is referred to as a "clown".

The Trident company could be a reference to Trident, the Teen Titans villian

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Trident

[M. Steng]

Originally Posted by wampa3

Better episode, more focused. Still some forced dialogue in there, but much better than the pilot. Thought Lili Taylor did a good job as the child snatcher. Carol Kane was also excellent casting as Oswald's mother.

At the moment, I think Cobblepot and Falcone are shaping up to be the most interesting characters.

The Bruce stuff at the moment still seems a bit forced and unnecessary. It's hard to think that this kid would be acting the way he is after witnessing his parents being murdered. Just seems like a way to keep Batman somehow tied to the storyline even if its completely shoehorned in there. I did like the idea of Bruce making efforts to help the orphaned children of Gotham, which one would think will eventually result in establishing the Wayne Children's home.

I thought that was actually really cool, it shows Bruce, even at a young age, healing by helping others.

Also, definitely a different take on Alfred, but it's not bad. More authoritative/temperamental, which is a sharp departure from many of his modern depictions. Seems to be much more influenced by the Earth-One Alfred.

[wampa3]

One interesting take I heard was in regards to the actors performance as Bruce in this episode. If you thought his performance was a bit stiff an wooden, almost like he was unnatural in his delivery during his conversation with Jim at the end, one could take this as the kid intentionally acting like he's acting.

The facade that Bruce puts up is his persona as "Bruce Wayne" when in reality he's really the dark and brooding Batman inside as shown earlier with his journaling and penchant for hardcore music. We are potentially seeing him learning how to cope with his mental trauma by acting the way he is, something that Bruce had to learn how to pull off over the years.

[cooke726]

Definitely enjoyed this week's episode alot more than the pilot. More story progression and less character introductions for the sake of character introduction. Felt like the dialogue was much less cheesey as well.

[junior94]

It only just finally occurred to me near the end of this episode, does this girl who's playing Selina Kyle, does she remind anyone else of a young Michelle Pfeiffer, even just a little? she seems to have unnaturally thin, wide eyes.

I'm sure I'll still be sticking around for at least a few more episodes, but nothing much about this gave me all that much more confidence than the pilot did. I guess I am a little surprised at some of the details they've incorporated, like I'd thought they'd have wanted things to overall look more timeless, especially with it being like 15 years or so before Batman shows up. But in particular the SUV that Cobblepot takes over looks very modern, as did the cell phone and the notion of him sending the parents a video of the frat kid.

[M. Steng]

^^ I think it's supposed to combine a lot of elements from different periods.

[chadizzy1]

Originally Posted by junior94

It only just finally occurred to me near the end of this episode, does this girl who's playing Selina Kyle, does she remind anyone else of a young Michelle Pfeiffer, even just a little?

I thought the same.

[junior94]

Originally Posted by M. Steng

^^ I think it's supposed to combine a lot of elements from different periods.

well yea I know that Tim Burton's had definitely done that, particularly with the first one, and this has employed that to some degree, but those stuck out to me a bit.

[jrod41]

First episode was done pretty poorly, but last night's episode was definitely an improvement. I'm really enjoying Cobblepot and Falcone's scenes, but on the other hand, the Bruce Wayne stuff is a little boring. Don't care much for this Alfred either.

[WidespreadMule3]

I have no idea why I thought I could read this thread and have not seen Monday's episode. /facepalm

[chadizzy1]

So they're pulling Balloonman for the next episode - http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=123538 (trailer)

A Balloonman was in the Metal Men series that ran in the 60's, but was a big blown up balloon type character. in the after Crisis events there was a Balloonatic, but he was a similar typed creature.

This one shares the name, but from what I can tell isn't the same type character. interesting that they would pull that name though. i guess the only thing they share is that the name is a DC property.

[TrippinNancies1]

Overall I thought episode 2 was much better than what i thought was a kind of awkward episode 1, which gives me alot of hope moving forward.

Referring to some other posts: I too thought Cat looks a bit like a young Michelle Pfeiffer. And I'm also not sure if I like this new Alfred. We'll see.

Again, a show with a lot of potential. I'm hoping to see some Jonathan Crane, Hugo Strange, Ra's Al Ghul, Victor Fries, etc. show up in the series.

Oh, and young Bruce listening to death metal? I guess... But not sure if I like that either

[chadizzy1]

Originally Posted by TrippinNancies1

Overall I thought episode 2 was much better than what i thought was a kind of awkward episode 1, which gives me alot of hope moving forward.

Referring to some other posts: I too thought Cat looks a bit like a young Michelle Pfeiffer. And I'm also not sure if I like this new Alfred. We'll see.

Again, a show with a lot of potential. I'm hoping to see some Jonathan Crane, Hugo Strange, Ra's Al Ghul, Victor Fries, etc. show up in the series.

Oh, and young Bruce listening to death metal? I guess... But not sure if I like that either

I know I read before that they were planning on bringing him into the universe, so that would be interesting.

Mr. Freeze has had some interesting on screen incarnations. I liked the portrayal in Batman 66 by George Sanders.

Batman 66 - http://youtu.be/_9_t8f6NGLo?t=5m40s
Batman Animated - http://youtu.be/Pby4lPGATqM?t=13s
Batman Beyond - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjmEeJiBlhw
Batman & Robin - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkTHtWX7CCY

[Roose13]

Arnold has forever ruined Freeze for me

[TrippinNancies1]

Originally Posted by chadizzy1

I know I read before that they were planning on bringing him into the universe, so that would be interesting.

Mr. Freeze has had some interesting on screen incarnations. I liked the portrayal in Batman 66 by George Sanders.

Batman 66 - http://youtu.be/_9_t8f6NGLo?t=5m40s
Batman Animated - http://youtu.be/Pby4lPGATqM?t=13s
Batman Beyond - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjmEeJiBlhw
Batman & Robin - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkTHtWX7CCY

I know you're not that into video games, but Freeze's portrayal in Arkham City is one of my favorite villains of all time. If you're into the Batman mythos, I sincerely suggest checking out these game movies when you have the time, because the Arkham series is very worth while and is one of the huge reasons for Batman's sustained popularity. Arkham Origins was a 7/10 for me, but Asylum and City are masterpieces:


Arkham Origins (2013): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgBBitvVHAg

Arkham Asylum (2009): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVIuIIVVbIs

Arkham City (2011): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfjgVu6zKT8

Arkham Knight (2015): The trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsf78BS9VE0

[chadizzy1]

Originally Posted by Roose13

Arnold has forever ruined Freeze for me

That movie was so, so bad.

I'm glad Warner Brothers axed it before they moved on to the next movie, Batman Triumphant. I remember they were even talking about Nic Cage as Scarecrow for Triumphant.

[TrippinNancies1]

Originally Posted by Roose13

Arnold has forever ruined Freeze for me

Check this out man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNdjX6L5nAM

[TrippinNancies1]

Originally Posted by chadizzy1

That movie was so, so bad.

I'm glad Warner Brothers axed it before they moved on to the next movie, Batman Triumphant. I remember they were even talking about Nic Cage as Scarecrow for Triumphant.

Oh gawd

[chadizzy1]

Originally Posted by TrippinNancies1

Check this out man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNdjX6L5nAM

That suit is definitely menacing, I like the way it looks.

[TrippinNancies1]

Originally Posted by chadizzy1

That suit is definitely menacing, I like the way it looks.

And that voice change at 0:43 is.... "chilling". Yes, pun intended

[M. Steng]

Arkham City was so good. Can't believe it's already been 3 years since it came out. Still the best game I've ever played.

[TrippinNancies1]

Originally Posted by M. Steng

Arkham City was so good. Can't believe it's already been 3 years since it came out. Still the best game I've ever played.

Agreed on all points. When I was writing the dates for the links above, I was remembering standing in line for the midnight release of Arkham City with my buddies and playing that all night/morning. Good times, can't believe it's been 3 years.

[chadizzy1]

New trailer is badass.

http://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/new-g...lum-scarecrow/

Excited to see Victor Zsasz. The actor looks pretty close to the comic book incarnation - Streets of Gotham Cover
He was pretty nuts in the comics, I'm excited to see how they bring him to life in Gotham. I wasn't very impressed with how he appeared in the movie recently.

Also, good casting with David Zayas (Batista from Dexter) as Maroni.

1:20 of the trailer looks like Scarecrow - at least the mask does.

[chadizzy1]

http://comicbook.com/2014/10/02/goth...s-harvey-dent/

Harvey Dent cast!

[KevinTH]

Originally Posted by chadizzy1

http://comicbook.com/2014/10/02/goth...s-harvey-dent/

Harvey Dent cast!

I'm psyched but at the same time That to me makes me a bit nervous that they don't feel confident in the show. They're already trying to pull in as many big names as they can into one season. Penguin, Riddler, Falcone, Catwoman and now Harvey Dent...be nice if it was just penguin and Falcone

[Roose13]

Originally Posted by KevinTH5

I'm psyched but at the same time That to me makes me a bit nervous that they don't feel confident in the show. They're already trying to pull in as many big names as they can into one season. Penguin, Riddler, Falcone, Catwoman and now Harvey Dent...be nice if it was just penguin and Falcone

Yea but the Batman universe has A LOT of characters. They're gonna have to interwind somehow, and the major ones need a back story first. Catwoman is still a child and Riddler looks like he's a ways off from being a bad guy. Dent hasn't even been a bad ass in the law yet before his Two Face transformation so he's far off from being a villain too. We're still looking at Penguin, Falcone and Mahoney as the bad guys.

[chadizzy1]

Originally Posted by KevinTH5

I'm psyched but at the same time That to me makes me a bit nervous that they don't feel confident in the show. They're already trying to pull in as many big names as they can into one season. Penguin, Riddler, Falcone, Catwoman and now Harvey Dent...be nice if it was just penguin and Falcone

Harvey Dent will take a while to develop. Traditionally, Bruce Wayne was grown and wearing the cowl when Dent became Two Face. So he won't turn villain for a while.

[KevinTH]

I guess my point was more that it seems like they're dropping in a few too many characters to focus on all at once. I don't know to what extent they'll use him in the show, but I just see it being a more focused and entertaining show if they can just hone in on Penguin and his rise in the crime world, any developments with Falcone, some time with Bruce and then the relationship with Bullock and Gordon. Those story lines alone should be enough to fill up a couple of seasons. I just don't want to see them get over crowded and lose the storytelling to big characters and name dropping for the sake of trying to draw viewers in. There ARE a lot of characters in the Batman universe and I'm sure they can spread that out over time to develop a well crafted story. We saw how too much can completely ruin a story in Spider-man 3. Obviously that was a 2 hour movie and this is a longer series, but I think you get my point.

[Roose13]

Originally Posted by KevinTH5

I guess my point was more that it seems like they're dropping in a few too many characters to focus on all at once. I don't know to what extent they'll use him in the show, but I just see it being a more focused and entertaining show if they can just hone in on Penguin and his rise in the crime world, any developments with Falcone, some time with Bruce and then the relationship with Bullock and Gordon. Those story lines alone should be enough to fill up a couple of seasons. I just don't want to see them get over crowded and lose the storytelling to big characters and name dropping for the sake of trying to draw viewers in. There ARE a lot of characters in the Batman universe and I'm sure they can spread that out over time to develop a well crafted story. We saw how too much can completely ruin a story in Spider-man 3. Obviously that was a 2 hour movie and this is a longer series, but I think you get my point.

Spider-man is supposed to fight multiple guys. You do realize the next incarnation of that will feature the Sinister Six. Your head may explode. Many shows have been successful with ton of characters. Look at GoT right now.

Gotham is introducing multiple characters and letting them simmer. There is so much in Gotham so this is less of a name drop and more of an acknowledging of how messed up this town really is.