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Old 12-20-2015, 07:39 AM   #31
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII (2017)

This is interesting:

http://ikwiz.com/article.asp?id=1987...SPOILERS%21%29

"In the Force Vision sequence at Maz Kanata's place, the lightsaber was calling to Rey. Turns out, it was Obi-Wan Kenobi, not Luke Skywalker calling Rey's name. Whoa!!!! So does this change the speculation about her family lineage?

This was confirmed by STAR WARS: Clone Wars voice actor, James Arnold Taylor via Twitter."
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    This is interesting:

    http://ikwiz.com/article.asp?id=1987...SPOILERS%21%29

    "In the Force Vision sequence at Maz Kanata's place, the lightsaber was calling to Rey. Turns out, it was Obi-Wan Kenobi, not Luke Skywalker calling Rey's name. Whoa!!!! So does this change the speculation about her family lineage?

    This was confirmed by STAR WARS: Clone Wars voice actor, James Arnold Taylor via Twitter."
    It doesn't change it for me. I still think she is Luke's daughter. I can't see how it's a direct descendant of Ben unless it's some sort of granddaughter of Ben's brother we never knew he had. I don't know the "canons" at all and only going from the info from the 7 movies. The emotion in Rey's eyes at the end tell me something is there as well. I'm not sure it was the enormity of the moment and meeting Luke's, the "last remaining Jedi" or the fact that she learned something from Leia prior to going or "felt" something upon getting.

    Is it May 2017 yet?
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    This is interesting:

    http://ikwiz.com/article.asp?id=1987...SPOILERS%21%29

    "In the Force Vision sequence at Maz Kanata's place, the lightsaber was calling to Rey. Turns out, it was Obi-Wan Kenobi, not Luke Skywalker calling Rey's name. Whoa!!!! So does this change the speculation about her family lineage?

    This was confirmed by STAR WARS: Clone Wars voice actor, James Arnold Taylor via Twitter."
    Saw that last night. Pretty cool. I honestly thought I heard Obi-Wan's voice at one point. The implication here seems to be that maybe she's related to Obi-Wan? I'm not sure how that could be possible. It could just be him calling out to the next hopeful Jedi.
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    Old 12-20-2015, 09:46 AM   #34
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    I read that when Anakin was killing the Tuskin Raiders that it was Qui Gon who cried out to him and said "Anakin, no", but I never noticed that in the film.
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    If she's a Kenobi, she has to be some sort of granddaughter/niece because the ages don't work out based on when Old Ben bought it.
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    Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII (2017)

    http://spinoff.comicbookresources.co...force-awakens/

    This says old Obi Wan, young Obi Wan and Yoda had voice cameos in Force Awakens.
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    This says old Obi Wan, young Obi Wan and Yoda had voice cameos in Force Awakens.
    And Yoda had some new lines too, but they were left on the cutting room floor.
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    Old 12-20-2015, 11:15 AM   #38
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    If she's a Kenobi, she has to be some sort of granddaughter/niece because the ages don't work out based on when Old Ben bought it.
    Yeah, the timing would weird. I also don't see how it would factor into the story, besides being a twist for a twist sake? I do think the "is she a Skywalker is a Solo?" question set up by the film is a false dichotomy though, and there's some third option.
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    Yeah, the timing would weird. I also don't see how it would factor into the story, besides being a twist for a twist sake? I do think the "is she a Skywalker is a Solo?" question set up by the film is a false dichotomy though, and there's some third option.
    I think Episode 7 made it clear she is not a Solo based mostly on Han's reaction to seeing her on the Falcon and their initial reaction/interaction with one another. She clearly also seemed to be on her own on Jakku and so I do not think Leia and the Resistance would allow her to be on her on her own to fend for her survival in the manner that she was. I'm basing this only on the movie.
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    We don't know the circumstances of Ben Solo's birth, and if perhaps he had a twin at birth who 'died' (but not really)
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    We don't know the circumstances of Ben Solo's birth, and if perhaps he had a twin at birth who 'died' (but not really)
    I think it's obvious that this is the case. They split them for the same reasons Luke and leia were.

    True Jedi are celebibate anyway, so Luke is more like a Dali lama type.
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    I think it's obvious that this is the case. They split them for the same reasons Luke and leia were.

    True Jedi are celebibate anyway, so Luke is more like a Dali lama type.
    He had a son (Ben) in the books, though, so it's not outside the realm of possibility
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    I think Episode 7 made it clear she is not a Solo based mostly on Han's reaction to seeing her on the Falcon and their initial reaction/interaction with one another. She clearly also seemed to be on her own on Jakku and so I do not think Leia and the Resistance would allow her to be on her on her own to fend for her survival in the manner that she was. I'm basing this only on the movie.
    I think if she is a Solo, then Han probably didn't know about her for the reasons you state (wouldn't be too hard to pull off, he appears to be away from Leia for long stretches of time). Though I'm not sold on her being a Solo at all.

    About fending for herself on Jakku... no matter who Rey turns out to be, I think it's pretty likely that something went terribly wrong with whatever plan whoever dropped her off there had.
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    I think if she is a Solo, then Han probably didn't know about her for the reasons you state (wouldn't be too hard to pull off, he appears to be away from Leia for long stretches of time). Though I'm not sold on her being a Solo at all.

    About fending for herself on Jakku... no matter who Rey turns out to be, I think it's pretty likely that something went terribly wrong with whatever plan whoever dropped her off there had.
    Doesn't seem likely they were separated at birth. Was the First Order that powerful at least 20 years earlier that there was fear for their safety when Uncle Luke would have been at his peak of greatness. (eliminating the fact Ren looks at least 5 years older). Kylo went bad when Luke was training him and I have to believe he was a late teen ala Anakin when he went bad so it would stand for reason that they likely weren't separated. If Ren is really like 10 years older, then maybe if she was 5-8, maybe they sent her away when Kylo left but then I would think Han would have recognized her when they met on the Falcon.

    So many scenarios playing out in my head. It sure makes for great conversation.
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    Doesn't seem likely they were separated at birth. Was the First Order that powerful at least 20 years earlier that there was fear for their safety when Uncle Luke would have been at his peak of greatness. (eliminating the fact Ren looks at least 5 years older). Kylo went bad when Luke was training him and I have to believe he was a late teen ala Anakin when he went bad so it would stand for reason that they likely weren't separated. If Ren is really like 10 years older, then maybe if she was 5-8, maybe they sent her away when Kylo left but then I would think Han would have recognized her when they met on the Falcon.

    So many scenarios playing out in my head. It sure makes for great conversation.
    It does! This movie really nailed what to tell you and what to keep you speculating on.

    I agree its very unlikely that they're twins, they could still be siblings though (or half siblings, maybe?). Agree that Ren had to pretty old when he went bad, or how else would he have brought down the academy? On your point about the First Order, even if the First Order wasn't around or wasn't powerful yet at that point, Snoke might have been. Not that we know the first thing about Snoke...

    Either way, it's weird that Luke wasn't strong enough to save his own Jedi, I think there's some vital information that we're missing here. I mean, if Rey can kick Kylo's butt, certainly Luke can too...?

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    I was sure I heard Yoda in that sequence, and thought I heard Obi Wan as well.
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    I look forward to Kylo Ren offing General Ginger in the future.

    He wasn't on the planet when it blew up right?
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    I was sure I heard Yoda in that sequence, and thought I heard Obi Wan as well.
    you did.

    http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/20...-force-awakens
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    I look forward to Kylo Ren offing General Ginger in the future.

    He wasn't on the planet when it blew up right?
    No, Snoke told him to go and get Kylo before it blew up. I thought Hux was awesome.
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    No, Snoke told him to go and get Kylo before it blew up. I thought Hux was awesome.
    I agree. I thought he was a great character. It was a good contrast to the OT where all the generals where afraid of Vader because he'd kill them left and right.

    Hux didn't fear Kylo. If anything he was pitted against him and looking for weaknesses to get an advantage.
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    Kylo kinda sucks at his job in TFA, to be honest.

    He gets Poe Dameron and he escapes.

    He goes after and never gets BB-8.

    He gets Rey, but she escapes. And kicks his ass. And plays a role in blowing up Ren's hood, the StarKiller Base.
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    Kylo kinda sucks at his job in TFA, to be honest.

    He gets Poe Dameron and he escapes.

    He goes after and never gets BB-8.

    He gets Rey, but she escapes. And kicks his ass. And plays a role in blowing up Ren's hood, the StarKiller Base.
    I agree, but I'm fine with this. He obviously has potential, given his lineage, but he hasn't matured yet.

    And Adam Driver plays a much better whiny wannabe Sith lord than Hayden Christensen.
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    I agree. I thought he was a great character. It was a good contrast to the OT where all the generals where afraid of Vader because he'd kill them left and right.

    Hux didn't fear Kylo. If anything he was pitted against him and looking for weaknesses to get an advantage.
    Exactly, I think he's going to play out as a pretty great character. He was so intense when he gave his speech and it was awesome. Really looking forward to seeing where they take his character in VIII.
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    Interesting theory my buddy has on Snoke being Plagueis:

    Snoke is Darth Plagueuis and I think that when Palpatine "killed him in his sleep" Anakin was born through his power to "manipulate the midi-chlorians to create life" and that his soul was being stored in Anakin, which is why his midi-chlorians count was so high, and then when Vader died in Jedi Plagueis was reborn.
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    Interesting theory my buddy has on Snoke being Plagueis:

    Snoke is Darth Plagueuis and I think that when Palpatine "killed him in his sleep" Anakin was born through his power to "manipulate the midi-chlorians to create life" and that his soul was being stored in Anakin, which is why his midi-chlorians count was so high, and then when Vader died in Jedi Plagueis was reborn.
    That's an interesting theory... I would not be surprised at all if that's what George Lucas had in mind for 7, 8, 9.
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    Kylo kinda sucks at his job in TFA, to be honest.
    Yeah... I'm guessing TFA is a backstory for Kylo and he's going to be badassified in VIII and IX, but I did find myself wishing at times that TFA had a stronger antagonist (well, Snoke is awesome, but he's very backround).
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    Yeah... I'm guessing TFA is a backstory for Kylo and he's going to be badassified in VIII and IX, but I did find myself wishing at times that TFA had a stronger antagonist (well, Snoke is awesome, but he's very backround).
    But it works. The new darth and general are very young. It's to be expected that they'll be unexperienced and fail some. I think that's what the creators wanted to portray the characters have emotions and are real. They're not just these huge heroes.
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    But it works. The new darth and general are very young. It's to be expected that they'll be unexperienced and fail some. I think that's what the creators wanted to portray the characters have emotions and are real. They're not just these huge heroes.
    I understand that's what the creators were going for and why they did it. But I think at least defanged Kylo a little early, it hurts the third act for me.

    Hux I had no problem with, Hux ruled.
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    look at who started it, come on.
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