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Old 03-09-2014, 08:11 AM   #61
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Definitely looks like those 2 unknown people are involved. How often do 2 people use stolen passports to get on a flight?

And let's say they used a bomb and therefore instantly everything was over. Finding the black box recorder won't show any information as what happened. Good chance we never find out what really happened.
It sounds like in that part of the world it happens somewhat frequently.
There's a possibility that the passports were stolen and used for nothing more than immigration crimes.
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    So glad Marky Mark wasnt on those flights...Wahlburgers wouldn't be half the show it is now
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    Whatever did happen, it happened so quickly that the pilot had no time to warn ATC, or anyone else. Every system in the plane has multiple backup sources so something possibly knocked out the entire aircraft. Also possible that the transponder and backup sources were "disengaged" (shut down, destroyed, etc". so all ATC saw was a blip and then nothing. Hard to say with no evidence but those two pop in my head quicker than other theories.

    As far as AF447 (Someone mentioned above), that was ultimately the crew not identifying the problem, misunderstanding the aircraft was stalling, and therefore did not act accordingly to correct the stall which caused a CFIT. Could this have happened here? Sure, but as of right now I doubt the same thing occurred, IMO.

    Interesting to note, this is only the fourth hull loss for the Boeing 777. First was in 2008 when ice blocked the fuel lines in flight BA38 on approach to LHR. Everyone survived and was evacuated.

    Second was a EgyptAir 777 that suffered an electrical fire at the gate. Again, everyone was evacuated and survived.

    Third was the OZ 214 crash at SFO last year. 3 people out of the 307 died and out of that only 1 was a direct cause of the crash.

    This current accident makes for a fourth hull loss of a 777.
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    If it's true that the plane "disintegrated" then it sounds more likely to be an act of terrorism. Malaysia is pretty heavily populated with Muslims, but is a pretty peaceful place. I enjoyed the time I've spent there.
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    When someone says, "those people who missed the flight need to thank the heavens above", in reference to a plane disappearing with hundreds of people on it, it warrants others to question what they are talking about.

    Don't care about your lyric posts.
    I guess what I meant was the real people who owned the passports are probably thanking their lucky stars it wasn't them on that flight.
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    Old 03-09-2014, 03:12 PM   #66
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    weird about reports the plane may have been trying to turn around.

    This is turning into a Bermuda Triangle-like story with the plane simply disappearing.
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    Old 03-09-2014, 03:14 PM   #67
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    When 9/11 happened, wasn't it pretty quickly that Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for it (to be a "martyr")? (I don't remember, it's been so long ago)

    If this was a terrorist act, wouldn't someone have already claimed responsibility for this?
    yup bin laden claimed responsibility immediately...then GW confirmed it through the proper channels and courts. then they found links of al-qaeda to Saddam and iraq, and WMDs..then, well, you know the rest
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    Old 03-09-2014, 03:15 PM   #68
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    I guess what I meant was the real people who owned the passports are probably thanking their lucky stars it wasn't them on that flight.
    But why? It's not like they were planning on being on the flight. If anything they are thinking "well at least I know where my passport went to" and then feeling surreal that they are "involved" in this craziness.
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    I guess what I meant was the real people who owned the passports are probably thanking their lucky stars it wasn't them on that flight.

    Just not seeing how they are lucky. It's not as if they would have been on that flight if their passports hadn't been stolen. They didn't even know that flight existed, and had no plans or intentions of being on it.
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    Old 03-09-2014, 03:23 PM   #70
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    But why? It's not like they were planning on being on the flight. If anything they are thinking "well at least I know where my passport went to" and then feeling surreal that they are "involved" in this craziness.
    When I first heard the story without hearing the particulars, I heard that their passports were stolen and I guess I initially thought that they were going to be on that flight, not realizing that it had been one or two years since the passports were stolen.
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    haven't read this whole thread but 20 businessmen from TX were on the flight.

    Here's more on the story:

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/08/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1
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    haven't read this whole thread but 20 businessmen from TX were on the flight.

    Here's more on the story:

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/08/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

    Those guys weren't from Texas. The company they work for is based in Austin (like 5 minutes from my house). They were Chinese and Malaysian.
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    Definitely looks like those 2 unknown people are involved. How often do 2 people use stolen passports to get on a flight?

    And let's say they used a bomb and therefore instantly everything was over. Finding the black box recorder won't show any information as what happened. Good chance we never find out what really happened.
    As long as they struggle to find any debris or answers, I'll lean this way as well. However, one very realistic alternate theory that I've read regarding the 2 stolen passports and tickets being issued together is that it was a human trafficking deal. Like you said, though, we'll probably never know exactly what happened.
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    Those guys weren't from Texas. The company they work for is based in Austin (like 5 minutes from my house). They were Chinese and Malaysian.
    gotcha. saw a blurb on CNN last night about it as well. Really sad.
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    When 9/11 happened, wasn't it pretty quickly that Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for it (to be a "martyr")? (I don't remember, it's been so long ago)

    If this was a terrorist act, wouldn't someone have already claimed responsibility for this?
    No. Al Qaeda was never a group to claim responsibility for their terrorist attacks with immediacy. With that said, Bin Laden didn't claim responsibility for 9/11 until 2004.
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    So what's the prevailing conspiracy theory surrounding this?
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    False flag attack, I would presume.

    EDIT: Or alien abduction.
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    False flag attack, I would presume.

    EDIT: Or alien abduction.
    The conspiracy theories for this one will make for an interesting read.
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    So what's the prevailing conspiracy theory surrounding this?
    The one I made up is a world tracking passport by the new world order.
    "They" put the "stolen" passports on the planes, now Interpol is making a fuss about not using their database, bad control between countries etc...

    For the record, I don't think for a second that is the case, just have read too many chuck posts.
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    So what's the prevailing conspiracy theory surrounding this?
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    Old 03-10-2014, 05:30 AM   #83
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    Whatever did happen, it happened so quickly that the pilot had no time to warn ATC, or anyone else. Every system in the plane has multiple backup sources so something possibly knocked out the entire aircraft. Also possible that the transponder and backup sources were "disengaged" (shut down, destroyed, etc". so all ATC saw was a blip and then nothing. Hard to say with no evidence but those two pop in my head quicker than other theories.

    As far as AF447 (Someone mentioned above), that was ultimately the crew not identifying the problem, misunderstanding the aircraft was stalling, and therefore did not act accordingly to correct the stall which caused a CFIT. Could this have happened here? Sure, but as of right now I doubt the same thing occurred, IMO.

    Interesting to note, this is only the fourth hull loss for the Boeing 777. First was in 2008 when ice blocked the fuel lines in flight BA38 on approach to LHR. Everyone survived and was evacuated.

    Second was a EgyptAir 777 that suffered an electrical fire at the gate. Again, everyone was evacuated and survived.

    Third was the OZ 214 crash at SFO last year. 3 people out of the 307 died and out of that only 1 was a direct cause of the crash.

    This current accident makes for a fourth hull loss of a 777.
    considering how young the fleet is.....is "only" four all that great?
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    apparently the oil slick isn't from the plane

    all the "debris" they've found so far, none of it has been from the plane either.
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    http://neilchughes.wordpress.com/201...815-and-mh370/

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    Old 03-10-2014, 06:55 AM   #86
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    This case is feeling more like a connection w the stolen passports as the days stretch out
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    A bit more:

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    On Sunday afternoon, a statement issued in the name of a previously unknown group claimed that the disappearance of the plane was a political act aimed at the Chinese and Malaysian governments and referred to last week's attack in a Chinese train station that Beijing blamed on Uighur separatists. It stopped short of a claim of responsibility. Malaysian officials said that they were unaware of any claim of responsibility but would investigate all possibilities.
    From: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...27991198487418

    Pilot an co-pilot had to be either dead or unconscious if they did not squawk a distress signal. Seems more and more like foul play/terrorism.

    If this was the Uighurs they may have just stepped over a dangerous line with this one. They are located primarily in China and lets be honest, the Chinese government does not have the best track record with human rights and they have likely been itching to go wipe out the leadership of these savages by all mean necessary.
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    I still lean towards bomb because it makes the most sense, but the more I think about it, how fucking big would a bomb have to be to completely shut down a plane that size, that quickly.

    Let's say it's a shoe bomb or something someone could feasibly smuggle on board. What's the most damage that could do? Rip out a big chunk of the plane and maybe cause it to split? Still major and catastrophic, for sure, but wouldn't many of the instruments freak out and signal people on the ground?

    Again, I know nothing about planes so maybe someone can help me out, but wouldn't a bomb have to almost entirely destroy the thing for not one odd or distressed signal to be sent out from some incredibly sophisticated tech?
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    I was thinking the same thing.
    The plane must have been rigged with some sophisticated explosives to vaporize the thing with no trace and no debris.
    Doesn't seem like something that could be done by a couple of people.
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    Agreed on the bomb Za, even a small one in the right place to render all communications inoperable would do the trick. After the comms are down it is a simple matter to push the yoke all the way FWD and cause a catastrophic loss in altitude resulting in a mid ocean crash. A large bomb at altitude may scatter the plane all over but search and rescue would find more than just a slick and a few random debris pieces because many parts of a plane float.
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