Who is the historically better QB: Manning vs Brady

[rickyh24]

Originally Posted by Lee3691

Otto Graham?

Not sure you read poll question.

[trippingbillie4]

I believe that's the best stat when evaluating who's the better QB. If your QB has to throw 50+ times that most likely means he doesn't have a run game or he's playing from behind, i.e. the QB has to excel at the highest level in order to win. Brady blows Manning out of the water when using this stat and historically Manning always had a better offensive line and receivers. There's really no reason to debate this anymore. The only person Brady is competing with now is himself. He has no equal. He's the most clutch QB when it matters most.

[Lee3691]

Originally Posted by trippingbillie4

I believe that's the best stat when evaluating who's the better QB. If your QB has to throw 50+ times that most likely means he doesn't have a run game or he's playing from behind, i.e. the QB has to excel at the highest level in order to win. Brady blows Manning out of the water when using this stat and historically Manning always had a better offensive line and receivers. There's really no reason to debate this anymore. The only person Brady is competing with now is himself. He has no equal. He's the most clutch QB when it matters most.

What are your thoughts on Otto Graham, Johnny U and Joe Montana?

Brady certainly better than Manning, no doubt though.

[ToySoldier#34]

Brady is the GOAT, better than everybody /thread

[DMBstandUP1984]

Originally Posted by trippingbillie4

I believe that's the best stat when evaluating who's the better QB. If your QB has to throw 50+ times that most likely means he doesn't have a run game or he's playing from behind, i.e. the QB has to excel at the highest level in order to win. Brady blows Manning out of the water when using this stat and historically Manning always had a better offensive line and receivers. There's really no reason to debate this anymore. The only person Brady is competing with now is himself. He has no equal. He's the most clutch QB when it matters most.

Is there any stats that shows how often the QB was playing from behind when they had to throw 50+?



They are 1 and 2 for comeback wins (Manning 45, Brady 39)

[trippingbillie4]

Originally Posted by Lee3691

What are your thoughts on Otto Graham, Johnny U and Joe Montana?

Brady certainly better than Manning, no doubt though.

It's hard to compare Brady to Johnny or Otto, because they played so long ago. Before Superbowl LI I could understand why people would say Montana was better than Brady, but after what Brady did last Sunday, coming back from 25 points down in the 3rd Quarter, I believe he has now surpassed Montana. Superbowl LI was Brady's Jordan moment. He outdid what Montana did against the Bengals in his Superbowl legacy win. Everyone talks about Joe's last drive to win the game. Joe seeing John Candy in the stands before he threw the game winning TD. It's football lore. How do you think people will talk about this Superbowl 30 years from now? Brady had three historical drives in a row in which he had to complete TWO 2 point conversions. Brady's performance in Superbowl LI cemented his legacy.

[trippingbillie4]

Originally Posted by DMBstandUP1984

Is there any stats that shows how often the QB was playing from behind when they had to throw 50+?



They are 1 and 2 for comeback wins (Manning 45, Brady 39)

I'm sure there is somewhere, I don't know though, but I do know Brady holds the record for most post-season game winning drives. I believe he's has twice as many as the next QB.

If I want a great regular season QB maybe I would take Manning, but if I want a QB that's going to take me to the promise land I'm rolling with TB12 every time.

[Lee3691]

Originally Posted by trippingbillie4

It's hard to compare Brady to Johnny or Otto, because they played so long ago. Before Superbowl LI I could understand why people would say Montana was better than Brady, but after what Brady did last Sunday, coming back from 25 points down in the 3rd Quarter, I believe he has now surpassed Montana. Superbowl LI was Brady's Jordan moment. He outdid what Montana did against the Bengals in his Superbowl legacy win. Everyone talks about Joe's last drive to win the game. Joe seeing John Candy in the stands before he threw the game winning TD. It's football lore. How do you think people will talk about this Superbowl 30 years from now? Brady had three historical drives in a row in which he had to complete TWO 2 point conversions. Brady's performance in Superbowl LI cemented his legacy.

Brady definitively has a great case for GOAT. It's weird though, because I still think Montana was a better clutch QB - that part of your original comment made me think about it.

[ToySoldier#34]

Brady drives the length of the field twice to finish off the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history, the last Super Bowl comes back down 10 in the 4th quarter against the Seahawks, in the 4th quarter of the last two Super Bowls combined Brady has gone 32/47 for 358 yards and 3 TDs, QB rating of 115.0 and all people can say is eh Montana was more clutch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1valYG9IVI

[DMBstandUP1984]

Tom Brady will be in the hall of fame

[Lee3691]

I predict first ballot

[YankeesDMB41]

When Brees overtakes Manning in all the reg season volume stats, we probably will stop having this convo

[DMBstandUP1984]

Brees likely one of the most overrated QBs of all time.

[DMBstandUP1984]

“It’s such a Peyton Manning-type throw. I watched him for so many years make those throws,” Brady said of the retired Manning. “I used to be in amazement. Marvin and Reggie, they’d cut their route off, turn around, ball was in the air, in stride, 15-, 18-yard gain. How the heck did they do that? There’s so much trust from the quarterback to the receiver. The DB can’t get to the ball faster than the receiver can. You got to believe your receiver is going to get to the ball faster than their guy. That’s what that play came down to.”

Brady learned from the best

[ToySoldier#34]

Heard some sports radio host yesterday making the case that Eli Manning should go to the HOF, there are plenty of players in who shouldn't be so I guess that could be his hope

[Lee3691]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Heard some sports radio host yesterday making the case that Eli Manning should go to the HOF, there are plenty of players in who shouldn't be so I guess that could be his hope

I think if you QB your team to 2 Super Bowl wins, it's probably a given you get in to the HOF.

[trippingbillie4]

Originally Posted by DMBstandUP1984

“It’s such a Peyton Manning-type throw. I watched him for so many years make those throws,” Brady said of the retired Manning. “I used to be in amazement. Marvin and Reggie, they’d cut their route off, turn around, ball was in the air, in stride, 15-, 18-yard gain. How the heck did they do that? There’s so much trust from the quarterback to the receiver. The DB can’t get to the ball faster than the receiver can. You got to believe your receiver is going to get to the ball faster than their guy. That’s what that play came down to.”

Brady learned from the best

Yeah, only difference is Peyton was throwing to future hall of famers while Brady was throwing to a former lacrosse player.

[emu513]

NFL HOF is pretty much a Hall of Good/Very Good so I imagine Eli will make it. If they had baseball selectivity, no chance.

[DMBstandUP1984]

Originally Posted by trippingbillie4

Yeah, only difference is Peyton was throwing to future hall of famers while Brady was throwing to a former lacrosse player.

I feel like Brady has been throwing to more then Hogan for the last 16 years.

[LisaH]

I just voted for Brady. Tough choice though.

[trippingbillie4]

Originally Posted by DMBstandUP1984

I feel like Brady has been throwing to more then Hogan for the last 16 years.

But how many times has he had a Harrison or Wayne? Moss for a couple years. You can make the Gronk argument if you want, but he's out every other year and Brady just came back 25 points down in a Superbowl without him.