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Old 08-11-2013, 10:12 PM   #6601
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Lydia was not lost on me. That is what I assume the gun is for. I said a few pages ago that Walt was 99.6% gale at his best was 93% and in his words "it's a major difference" Lydia mentioned in 5.8 that Czech meth was 60% pure.

I forget what duclaws guys were cooking but I feel it was 68%.

Walt makes a point to say the difference between his meth and the New York Yankees is that difference.
yeah walts not going down without a fight and if lydias kid is at state, which i think she will be, shes gunna put walts family in danger to get him out of hiding.
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    Apples and oranges man. I don't think one is better than the other, they make me feel completely different things. Breaking bad punches you in the face with awesome and mad men is boring to some people cause no one gets shot and the plot has to be followed, it's not nearly as linear as BB.

    Those are both 2 of the best shows ever made.
    I have done shield sopranos wire breaking bad game of thrones and a few others.

    I have tried mad men three different times. I am somewhere in season four. I just don't get it. I don't. I have no problem with time pieces. And I have no problem with stories where the culture is the main character. I just can't finish mad men.
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    Old 08-11-2013, 10:16 PM   #6603
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    yeah walts not going down without a fight and if lydias kid is at state, which i think she will be, shes gunna put walts family in danger to get him out of hiding.
    Lydia will put up a fight IMO. But I don't see her being a huge part of the end game.
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    Jesse is a textbook tragic hero. We're all so sympathetic towards him now because he cries a lot and gives away his money. But he's no better than Walt. He had no motivation like family or imminent death behind his decision to cook and distribute
    meth, only greed. He is mostly responsible for building Walt into the monster that he is.

    And now he hates himself and wants to die, he shows remorse and his fueling greed is gone, and the audience loves him. That's brilliant writing is what that is.

    Couldn't disagree more with this post, especially the bold.


    Walt dragged Jesse into the pits of hell. Jesse just opened the gate.
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    Old 08-11-2013, 10:22 PM   #6605
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    yeah walts not going down without a fight and if lydias kid is at state, which i think she will be, shes gunna put walts family in danger to get him out of hiding.

    Meh. Lydia has never fought for her kid. She's just whined like a little bitch about having a kid and got a response. Eventually she'll play that card and the person holding the gun to her head won't be phased by it. And she will catch the bullet Mike should have fed her a year ago.
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    Old 08-11-2013, 10:24 PM   #6606
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    Meh. Lydia has never fought for her kid. She's just whined like a little bitch about having a kid and got a response. Eventually she'll play that card and the person holding the gun to her head won't be phased by it. And she will catch the bullet Mike should have fed her a year ago.
    good point i just think lydia will have a bigger part than we all think
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    Love the scene of Jesse in the car.
    How 'bout where he falls asleep. "THE DOGHOUSE"...weird. I don't know what it exactly means... but I'm sure it's something along the lines of Jesse's place where he wished he would have gotten out. They had just got some bank from Tucco and he could've skipped town instead of buying a gun. I'll have to go back and rewatch s02e01-02-ish
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    good point i just think lydia will have a bigger part than we all think


    I hope Skyler kills her, then puts on a black hat of her own.


    She becomes Heisenberg to protect the family.
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    Old 08-11-2013, 10:29 PM   #6609
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    I hope Skyler kills her, then puts on a black hat of her own.
    she will definitely be getting blood on her hands
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    I just really don't want Jesse to die. I want him to find peace, even if it's in prison.
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    Jesse gone. Bruh. He has the terminal cancer.
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    Old 08-11-2013, 10:39 PM   #6612
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    *Hank closes the garage door with death in his eyes*

    *The Rains of Castamere starts playing*


    Honestly though, brilliant episode. I agree with some of you that this is one of the finest acted episodes yet. The teaser was chill-inducing awesomeness. The droning music, seeing Heisenberg spray painted on the wall... I think the oranges are very significant but they have thrown us off before...

    That end scene was perfect. Hank's fury was mesmerizing. "If it's true, and you really don't know who I am... then I would suggest.. you tread lightly."

    And Jesse continues to break my heart. He KNOWS Mike is dead. He doesn't believe Walt at all based on that look.
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    Old 08-11-2013, 10:44 PM   #6613
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    So who has everyone got in the first to die for S5-Part 2 pool?

    I think Skylar gets whacked in one of the next two.
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    I just don't want Jesse to die too soon if it's going to happen.
    Flynn or Holly seem unlikely as to how it'd affect Walt.
    Not Marie or Tod.
    Lydia eventually, but not yet.

    Gotta be Skyler.
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    Couldn't disagree more with this post, especially the bold.


    Walt dragged Jesse into the pits of hell. Jesse just opened the gate.
    How is Jesse any better than Walt?

    I don't see how Walt dragged Jesse anywhere. Jesse is a grown man that wanted to get rich and knew that Walt was his ticket there. Things spiraled out of control due to walts growing arrogance and greed, but Jesse had every chance early on, when the body count was low, to get out, and he didnt. He had nothing keeping him there but his own greed. Now what had transpired in season 5 Jesse mostly was against and had nothing to do with, but season 1-4 he was a willing participant.

    Jesse was the "street smart" piece of the pie early on, meaning he knew death was an accepted part of his chosen profession. He just didnt know how much and how senseless it would get. He's far from blameless.
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    Old 08-11-2013, 10:55 PM   #6616
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    With the condemned house, while a faked death is certainly possible and probable, I definitely think it's out in the open about Walt cooking meth. Why else would Heisenberg be spray-painted on the living room wall and why would the house be all fenced up? It had to have been seized by the government along with the car wash.
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    Old 08-11-2013, 10:58 PM   #6617
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    Hard to answer. Really have no idea how we get from tonight to the M60. Especially since the ricin is not involved.

    This is going to be the most insane 7 hours of television ever.

    We have about 6 months to cover. We have two chekovs (ricin and m60)

    I assume we have to be at the Denny's scene by episode 6.... But wow. It will be amazing to see how they deal with that.

    Mortality rates:

    Walt: 100%
    Jesse: 100%
    Skyler (20% have a feeling she survives)
    Hank: 40% he is the good guy now
    Marie: 60% one has to go
    Flynn:: 50%
    Holly: 50% one is going. There needs to be heartbreak

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    Old 08-11-2013, 11:00 PM   #6618
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    Haha they won't be finding mikes body, put it that way. To everyone but Walt and Todd, mike could be alive, sure!
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    With the condemned house, while a faked death is certainly possible and probable, I definitely think it's out in the open about Walt cooking meth. Why else would Heisenberg be spray-painted on the living room wall and why would the house be all fenced up? It had to have been seized by the government along with the car wash.
    You will know this a lot more than I. When this is all said and done where does Vince Gilligan end up in the hierarchy of show runners. I read your opinions a lot. Curious what you think.
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    Haha they won't be finding mikes body, put it that way. To everyone but Walt and Todd, mike could be alive, sure!
    Lol. I am so dumb.
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    Not only was Mike dead by that pond, he was dead in the trunk when Walt and Tod got the body-melting barrel out to dispose of him. 100% dead.
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    Gilligan kinda said it was Lydia... I'm goin' with Lydia... If she's the last standing nemesis for Walt on this show then that's retarded. That bitch is done the next time she knocks on Walt's door. Maybe even Skylar does it somehow.
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    Yep 100% dead. Been drinking a lot of bourbon. Forgot the garage scene.
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    From reddit:

    "I did not watch the breaking bad premiere tonight, as I am a REAL breaking bad fan and I started smoking meth and sold my tv."

    Also, the scene with mike by the pond was so poignant. The look on his face just really got to me.
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    How is Jesse any better than Walt?

    I don't see how Walt dragged Jesse anywhere. Jesse is a grown man that wanted to get rich and knew that Walt was his ticket there. Things spiraled out of control due to walts growing arrogance and greed, but Jesse had every chance early on, when the body count was low, to get out, and he didnt. He had nothing keeping him there but his own greed. Now what had transpired in season 5 Jesse mostly was against and had nothing to do with, but season 1-4 he was a willing participant.
    Walt has progressively put his conscience aside throughout the course of the series while Jesse has grown a conscience especially toward his protection of children. Walt constantly rationalizes his actions and Jesse has developed a code that he struggles to keep intact as a result of his colleagues' actions.

    Jesse has certainly made poor decisions but he has tried so hard to find his redemption and peace. I definitely think he has grown to be a better person than Walt. In fact, I think Jesse at heart was always a good kid who made incredibly stupid decisions - he got caught up in drug dealing not necessarily because of greed, but because he never applied himself when he should have, and so he went into the dealing side of the trade to keep his ends met.

    When Walt re-entered his life, that's when things changed because Jesse never had aspirations to be the best at what he did. But with Walt as his partner, they became the best, and when you're the best is when the money really rolls in and by nature the violence follows. Jesse was too short sighted to really understand what comes with being the best, but once he did realize it, he suffered internally and I don't think he ever really tried to rationalize it. When they got ripped off by the Meth heads in Season 2, he had no desire at first to confront the situation and show them who was boss. Walt had to thoroughly convince him, and it was Walt who was a coward who wanted nothing to do with the clients, distributors or any of that. He asked Jesse to handle all of the bad side in his stead. Jesse didn't really want to handle it either, but he also didn't ask someone to do it for him.
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    You will know this a lot more than I. When this is all said and done where does Vince Gilligan end up in the hierarchy of show runners. I read your opinions a lot. Curious what you think.
    For drama, he will be high up there with JJ Abrams, David Simon and David Chase probably. Breaking Bad is (rightly) considered as one of the all-time greats, so I don't see why Gilligan wouldn't fit comfortably with the top show runners as well.
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    He may have developed a conscience but he has about 60% as much blood on his hands as Walt. So I guess technically he's not as evil as Walt has become, Jesse still is a tragic hero which was my original point. Saying he's better than Walt can only be justified by how many deaths they each are directly responsible for, which is splitting murder hairs IMO.
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    Re: Breaking Bad *Use Spoiler Tags on ANY episode info that has not aired yet*

    Jesse has a lot of death on his hands. He knows it. Hence throwing all the cash. Jesse is only a good guy because we see this through a prism focusing on Walt. Jesse is no Boy Scout. Having said that Jesse is going to pull all of our strings.
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    He may have developed a conscience but he has about 60% as much blood on his hands as Walt. So I guess technically he's not as evil as Walt has become, Jesse still is a tragic hero which was my original point. Saying he's better than Walt can only be justified by how many deaths they each are directly responsible for, which is splitting murder hairs IMO.
    Jesse's remorse over his crimes certainly makes him a better person than sociopath narcissist Walt. He's a repentant sinner; Walt basks in his damnation.
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