Big 4

[guitarplayer102]

Originally Posted by cry_minarets458

Yeah, pretty sure Dave felt like Stand Up was their best ever when that was released. Lillywhite is going to talk it up. It's his job to since he somewhat interacts with us. He's proud of his work......but so was Ballard, Cavallo, etc.

Of course he's gonna hype it up, but, as a lot of people are saying, he knows what the band's TRUE style is. Ballard and Cavallo came in after and tweaked everything the wrong way. So, in that sense, Ballard and Cavallo saying they're proud of their work is of little significance to us compared to Lillywhite saying that.

[FenceJ7]

I wonder how he is going to like playing in Miami, Lillywhite is a good pickup for the Heat

[Konodmb41]

I guess he's looking for a good accountant....




Wonder how many people will actually get that one.

[40oz.]

Oh, the new record? I thought someone had insight to the next Metellica/Slayer/Megadeth/Anthrax show.

[Dramageek]

Originally Posted by Konodmb41

I guess he's looking for a good accountant....




Wonder how many people will actually get that one.

I'd wager that Lillywhite could afford to have Ernst & Young do his taxes, right?

[lafleurjp]

all i know of steve lillywhite is what we all know of steve lillywhite.... he produced 3 of my most favorite albums of all time.... he has a unique relationship with dmb and an ear for producing their eclectic style of music, and he is VERY familiar with the general satisfaction with Everyday/SU and to a lesser extent, BW. If he is willing to offer preemptive reviews of this album like that which he KNOWS will stir the hardcore fan base into a fervor, one of two things is true. either it's that good, OR, he is an incredible fool. i tend to think it's the former. and by "tend" i mean, i think this album will make us believe again.

[cry_minarets458]

Originally Posted by guitarplayer102

Of course he's gonna hype it up, but, as a lot of people are saying, he knows what the band's TRUE style is. Ballard and Cavallo came in after and tweaked everything the wrong way. So, in that sense, Ballard and Cavallo saying they're proud of their work is of little significance to us compared to Lillywhite saying that.

I think that bolded word is wrong. He knew what their true style WAS. They're a different band in a different place with different priorities (not that that is a bad thing). I'm not going to put Lillywhite on an even higher pedestal until I hear the album. A producer can only do so much with what a band gives him or choses to give him.

[kittensXLI]

Originally Posted by som3d3vil34

Lillywhite said it: must be fact.



EDIT: just talked to Fonz. Turns out Lillywhite was talking about Taco Bell and their 4th meal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX6bT8_ji2k

[pele69]

Originally Posted by k270

I wonder if this album will have special guests? And I'm not talking about Jeff Coffin, Tim Reynolds or Rashawn Ross. I'm talking Bela Fleck or someone just as good.

Joe Lawler was in the studio with them

[rantingthespian]

Many would disagree, but to me there already is a big 4:

UTTAD
Crash
BTCS
BWGK


This album has the potential to create a Big 5 for me.

[Evans]

If you remember back in the summer of 2000, Lillywhite went on record to say that they had just recorded one of the most intense moments the band has ever had in the studio....something like that. That song was Bartender, and we know from TLS how well that song turned out. I trust Lillywhite's judgement.

[davem#36]

Originally Posted by rantingthespian

Many would disagree, but to me there already is a big 4:

UTTAD
Crash
BTCS
BWGK


This album has the potential to create a Big 5 for me.

Really BWGK over tLWS?

[bherd]

I think Lillywhite is smart enough and been in the business long enough to know not to oversell something. He knows his reputation will be on the line for saying something like he did so he must have the confidence that the material that is at the level of the Big 3. He could have easily took a safer route and said "this is great stuff, your going to love it", etc. He knowingly set the bar high by his statement.

[kittensXLI]

BW.

[crashintonickdm]

ill believe it when i hear it.

until then, its exciting to see LW say it. he knows what greatness is.

[crashintonickdm]

its not complete and yet its better than an album they put their heart and soul into.

ouch, DMB.

[UCFish]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

I hold off until I see what Stefan thinks.

[rantingthespian]

Originally Posted by davem#36

Really BWGK over tLWS?

Due to the fact that the LWS is incomplete and not an album, yes.

Originally Posted by kittensXLI

BW.

You can laugh at me all you want. I love BWGK and I don't care what you think.

[kittensXLI]

I'm not laughing at you. It's good someone likes BW.

[jas230314]

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

ill believe it when i hear it.

until then, its exciting to see LW say it. he knows what greatness is.

I agree with both points

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

its not complete and yet its better than an album they put their heart and soul into.

ouch, DMB.

I'm guessing you're referring to Big Whiskey as the album 'they put their heart and soul into'.

So, you're dissing BW because it's not as good as a Lillywhite album could be, totally disregarding the emotion the band put into it.

To say 'ouch, DMB', that disrespects the band and the effort they put in to remember Roi - whether it lived up to your expectations or not. It was a step in the right direction for the band - a massive step - and this album may very well be Big 4 quality only because Big Whiskey and the loss of Roi set this band in a great direction.

[rantingthespian]

Originally Posted by jas230314

I agree with both points



I'm guessing you're referring to Big Whiskey as the album 'they put their heart and soul into'.

So, you're dissing BW because it's not as good as a Lillywhite album could be, totally disregarding the emotion the band put into it.

To say 'ouch, DMB', that disrespects the band and the effort they put in to remember Roi - whether it lived up to your expectations or not. It was a step in the right direction for the band - a massive step - and this album may very well be Big 4 quality only because Big Whiskey and the loss of Roi set this band in a great direction.

My sentiments exactly.

[KevinTH]

I seem to remember almost everyone loving Big Whiskey when it came out. In fact I recall there being an article on the home page entitled something like "The Big 4?"...what happened? Now all i hear is hate on Big Whiskey.

[Colin]

Originally Posted by btpeters

Does anyone really think the decision to call it a Big 4 is up to Lillywhite?

Yes. It's not like "the big three" is a DMB-trademarked name that he had to get permission to allude to.

[coolhotwaves]

Originally Posted by KevinTH5

I seem to remember almost everyone loving Big Whiskey when it came out. In fact I recall there being an article on the home page entitled something like "The Big 4?"...what happened? Now all i hear is hate on Big Whiskey.

Here's my take on it:

Big Whiskey comes out and we are all jumping for joy because the sound of the album reminds us of the band that we all love. They dropped the cheesy sound of Stand Up, and that was something to celebrate. We should all know by now that the true test of great music is how it holds up over time, and let's be honest, a lot of Big Whiskey hasn't held up well. Some of the songs just fall flat live. It could also stem from the fact that the band used to road test the majority of their material before recording it, developing the intricacy's and nuances that add depth to the songs.

It's my opinion that the latter is the reason for the slightly lower views of Big Whiskey in the last couple of years, in comparison with the year it was first released. Think of how excited we were to hear SMLAM, it had promise to be the next Too Much, and then we hear it and it just sounds "off" live.

[btpeters]

Originally Posted by Colin

Yes. It's not like "the big three" is a DMB-trademarked name that he had to get permission to allude to.

So, if we all listen to this new album and it is worse than Stand Up, its still a Big 4 because Lillywhite said so?

I don't think you understood a lick of what I was saying

[DMBzilla]

I will preface this statement by stating that I don't automatically believe the album will be on par with the Big Three just because of Lillywhite's tweet. However...

Originally Posted by cry_minarets458

Lillywhite is going to talk it up. It's his job to since he somewhat interacts with us. He's proud of his work......but so was Ballard, Cavallo, etc.

Bold -- But he didn't have to say exactly what he said. Lillywhite clearly knows what the Big Three means to the fans, and I don't think he'd make a comment like "Big 4 .... FOR SURE !!!" if he didn't honestly believe it.

Rest -- I'm sure Ballard, Batson and Cavallo were all proud of their work with DMB, but none of them knew and understood DMB the way Lillywhite does. A statement like this means more coming from someone with Lillywhite's history.

Originally Posted by rantingthespian

Many would disagree, but to me there already is a big 4:

UTTAD
Crash
BTCS
BWGK


This album has the potential to create a Big 5 for me.

There's no Big Four just because you think there is. The topic has been beaten to death, but the Big Three is named as such because of the overwhelming agreement across the fanbase regarding the quality of those three records (and, to a lesser extent, because it is comprised of consecutive releases representing a specific era of DMB that died sometime before February 27, 2001).

[Colin]

Originally Posted by btpeters

So, if we all listen to this new album and it is worse than Stand Up, its still a Big 4 because Lillywhite said so?

I don't think you understood a lick of what I was saying

I thought you were saying that DMB management somehow encouraged Lillywhite to use that term to drum up interest for the new album. But now I realize you were saying it doesn't matter if Lillywhite uses the term, because it's the fans who will decide if the new album makes it to "the big four" or not (which I agree with). My bad!

[jray1823]

What I've learned from this thread:

Lillywhite has ENY do his taxes
Only 1 Person likes big whiskey
Albums are not good unless they sound good live
People including myself spend too much time on the internet

[btpeters]

Originally Posted by Colin

I thought you were saying that DMB management somehow encouraged Lillywhite to use that term to drum up interest for the new album. But now I realize you were saying it doesn't matter if Lillywhite uses the term, because it's the fans who will decide if the new album makes it to "the big four" or not (which I agree with). My bad!

We're good now

[haefs11]

Originally Posted by jray1823

What I've learned from this thread:

Lillywhite has ENY do his taxes
Only 1 Person likes big whiskey
Albums are not good unless they sound good live
People including myself spend too much time on the internet

I think this is how it should be with this band. Their live performances are their life blood. And I think that is the way Big Whiskey is, I like listening to the studio album, but I don't really have a true desire to hear many of them live because they just don't translate well. See: Shake Me Like a Monkey (Fuck Me Like a Donkey)