308 Negra Arroyo Lane: Breaking Bad Appreciation

[Arby]

Originally Posted by DIDriveOut2SPAC

I think Grey Matter was just a vessel to show us Walter's now lust for power and ego, since it was all taken away from him so long ago. Gray Matter is a large reason why, when Walt is given the opportunity to sell his share of the methylamine to a competitor and receive $5 million, he refuses to take the money and leave the meth business.

Many reasons for this include Walt's insatiable lust for power, the hubris of believing he’s smart enough to be untouchable, a disdain for anyone presuming to dictate the terms of his life. However, Walt has never gotten over the fact that he co-founded Gray Matter as a young scientist and then left it. His need for recognition overpowers his more sympathetic drive to set his family up financially. As he tells Jesse of his deal with Declan: “You asked me if I was in the meth business or the money business. Neither. I’m in the empire business.”

Pretty sure Grey Matter has done its job in the breaking bad story.

You're exactly right, I just would like to see some closure with the characters in a way. Mainly Walt and Gretchen.

[GreyBlueEyes_81]

Originally Posted by deadendstreet

I had a thought. Just in case, I'll post it as a spoiler even though it's just a prediction.

I've been thinking why Walt would be going after the Nazi's. I mean obviously to get revenge for killing Hank and taking his money. But why would he leave town in the first place.

I'm curious if Walt is going back to save Jesse. Sounds crazy after the last episode, but maybe he comes to the realization at all he's done, find out that Jesse is still alive (blue meth floating around) and comes back to save him.

Maybe he sees Jesse's confession video (not sure how that would happen) and he breaks down. Or maybe the fact that he's lost his family is enough to make him feel remorse. Or maybe Jesse is my favorite character and I don't want him to die so I make up dumb theories.

I don't know. Just a thought.

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Or maybe he's just pissed they didn't do what they said they would do. Its pretty clear Walt blames Jesse for everything that's just happened.

[dvalukis]

(Just a quick side-note, nobody is going to New Hampshire. Hopefully people have been saying it as a euphemism for 'Walt on the run'.)

[jasonfilatov]

Gilligan interview pre-season 5. Revisiting the backstory has been discussed.

Q.
Given that Walt and Jesse know even less about Gus, and don’t know why he was so important that the cartel could not kill him, could their assassination of him come back to haunt them?

A.
That’s a good question. We will be getting into that when the writers’ room reopens in November. But I can think of one gentleman who may have a problem with it, who’s a bit closer to home, who is Mike, played by Jonathan Banks. [laughs heartily] Mike may have a problem with what transpired, and I wouldn’t want Mike mad at me, I can tell you that.

Giancarlo Stanton (pre season 5):

http://seriable.com/breaking-bad-gia...come-to-light/


Both Vince and Giancarlo have admitted that revisiting is a possibility. With Walt's family in likely danger and with Gilligan's promise for no loose ends...we will see.

[DIDriveOut2SPAC]

yea but there is not a loose end anymore. Walt just proved the previous cartel statement wrong, and now he is dead. No loose end.

And his assassination is coming back to haunt them, since he's died and Walt was on top look at the shit show that happened.

[Beefsteak1138]

Christ...

[RichieSSC]

Originally Posted by jasonfilatov

Gilligan interview pre-season 5. Revisiting the backstory has been discussed.

Q.
Given that Walt and Jesse know even less about Gus, and don’t know why he was so important that the cartel could not kill him, could their assassination of him come back to haunt them?

A.
That’s a good question. We will be getting into that when the writers’ room reopens in November. But I can think of one gentleman who may have a problem with it, who’s a bit closer to home, who is Mike, played by Jonathan Banks. [laughs heartily] Mike may have a problem with what transpired, and I wouldn’t want Mike mad at me, I can tell you that.

Giancarlo Stanton (pre season 5):

http://seriable.com/breaking-bad-gia...come-to-light/


Both Vince and Giancarlo have admitted that revisiting is a possibility. With Walt's family in likely danger and with Gilligan's promise for no loose ends...we will see.

Not to go elitist, but are you referring to the Giancarlo Stanton who plays second base for the Marlins, or Giancarlo Esposito who played Gus Fring?

[BotheLaneFan]

Originally Posted by RichieSSC

Not to go elitist, but are you referring to the Giancarlo Stanton who plays second base for the Marlins, or Giancarlo Esposito who played Gus Fring?

Not to go normal person, but why the hell would Stanton have ever been an option?

[Haiku Jimi]

Originally Posted by TwoStep2888

If Walt cared about his family he'd have accepted Gretchen and Elliot's offer from the start: legal, clean money and security for his family. He cared more about himself and his ego so he cooked poison and murdered people and put everyone around him, including his family, in danger so that it would be His work and His money and His legacy god damn it (it's suggested that this pride is what led him to split with Gray Matter in the first place).

Originally Posted by TwoStep2888

Walt's two biggest lies ere his WW/Heisenberg compartmentalization and "I'm doing _______ b/c I have no other choice, for my family!!" Those twin delusions allowed him to go so far before reality and his conscience finally caught up to him last night. I think Walt told himself he did what he did for them, but I think in the back of his mind and through his actions it's fairly clearly driven by pride.

Great posts. I do think he cares about his family, but like you said, the other compartmentalized side of him was driven by pride and ambition, no matter the cost.

Originally Posted by smokew11

maybe thats what happens after a few months away. he may learn that Jesse's enslaved and being tortured, and the time away from his family may make Walt realize and digest what he's become

I can see this happening. I've gone back and forth on who to "root" for in the last several episodes, from Jesse, to Walt & Skyler, to Hank and back again. But it seems like Walt will rise up as the protagonist.

[jasonfilatov]

Originally Posted by RichieSSC

Not to go elitist, but are you referring to the Giancarlo Stanton who plays second base for the Marlins, or Giancarlo Esposito who played Gus Fring?

ha ha ha. my bad.

[jasonfilatov]

Originally Posted by Beefsteak1138

Christ...

I had to respond to your rebuttal. I'm done. Christ me on Monday.

[gocubsgo3822]

This cartel thing is funny to me. That is all

[RichieSSC]

Originally Posted by BotheDMBFan

Not to go normal person, but why the hell would Stanton have ever been an option?

Because he wrote Giancarlo Stanton in his post and there had been a lot of Latino cartel guys running around over the last 5 seasons so I wanted to make sure "Giancarlo Stanton" didn't get some sweet cameo that I missed.

[cruscott35]

Originally Posted by RichieSSC

Not to go elitist, but are you referring to the Giancarlo Stanton who plays second base for the Marlins, or Giancarlo Esposito who played Gus Fring?

Stanton plays RF. Carry on correcting someone with misinformation.

No way the Gus story comes back up, and honestly there seems to be one person left in the world who would give a shit.

[Beefsteak1138]

Originally Posted by jasonfilatov

I had to respond to your rebuttal. I'm done. Christ me on Monday.

Christ...

[Keyz]

I don't think saving Jesse is a big concern for Walt at this point. Even after all the trauma that Jesse has gone through because of Walt, he's still responsible for everything that has recently occurred. Walt was out of the business, as was Jesse. Jesse went around throwing money, got picked up by the feds, and everything went downhill for Walt from there.

I personally don't see Walt and Jesse ending on good terms. I think it'll be more of a "You go your way, I'll go mine" type of deal.

[WidespreadMule3]

I just had lunch with a buddy who's also a BB fanatic. He told me he heard the writers/creators/someone along those lines talk about how Todd is a representation of the late/crappy fans (people who miss the deeper meanings) of the show. Just with the way Todd was late arriving in the series (similar to fans who show up after it's crazy popular) and only views Walter as a badass, thug, OG kind of guy and miss the entire character development of the show. It was an interesting theory.

He also told me the writers, story arc aside, made Walt's phone call to Skylar as an answer to all the people who hate her. He said the writers constructed that phone call in a way that mocked/mimicked what a lot of the Skylar haters have said to be a subliminal diss towards them.

He also showed me an article about how the Holly momma scene was completely unscripted to work like that. They were filming it to be Walt changing her and having a moment and the child's actual mother was standing behind Cranston out of the shot and she started doing that and Cranston saw the value and seized the moment. Luckily they were able to film it and it really made for a great scene.

Obviously we had a pretty fanboy lunch haha

[Keyz]

I mean the way I see it, Jesse would likely be dead about 7 times by this point if it wasn't for Walt. I know Walt has absolutely crossed some serious lines to do such, but I just keep going back and forth between liking and disliking Jesse.

As a matter of fact, I keep doing that for every character in this show (except for Marie)

[smokew11]

Originally Posted by jek3295

Here's a montage of the last episode with Cranston's reading of "Ozymandias"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMySF...ature=youtu.be

Chills.

damn that was good

Originally Posted by Arby

Im just a sucker for flashbacks. I loved the Season 3 finale cold open (young Walt and Skyler looking at buying the house) and the scene with Walt and Gretchen breaking down the elements of a human

stuff like that really makes you think Gilligan had a lot of this planned out, because it was almost the same exact scene as when Walt went back to the house after it was condemned

[DIDriveOut2SPAC]

Originally Posted by WidespreadMule3

I just had lunch with a buddy who's also a BB fanatic. He told me he heard the writers/creators/someone along those lines talk about how Todd is a representation of the late/crappy fans (people who miss the deeper meanings) of the show. Just with the way Todd was late arriving in the series (similar to fans who show up after it's crazy popular) and only views Walter as a badass, thug, OG kind of guy and miss the entire character development of the show. It was an interesting theory.

He also told me the writers, story arc aside, made Walt's phone call to Skylar as an answer to all the people who hate her. He said the writers constructed that phone call in a way that mocked/mimicked what a lot of the Skylar haters have said to be a subliminal diss towards them.

He also showed me an article about how the Holly momma scene was completely unscripted to work like that. They were filming it to be Walt changing her and having a moment and the child's actual mother was standing behind Cranston out of the shot and she started doing that and Cranston saw the value and seized the moment. Luckily they were able to film it and it really made for a great scene.

Obviously we had a pretty fanboy lunch haha

This is all on the BrBa podcast

[zajDmB1]

Originally Posted by jasonfilatov

The flashback in Hermanos took place before Mike, before Lydia, back when Gus was originally trying to start up his meth business. Direct quote from Don Eladio, "The only reason you alive and he is not...is because I know you are." Therefore, Gus's back story has to have importance.

There have been a variety of hints throughout the series that Gus is untouchable for an unexplained reason relating to his roots. Even the drug cartel wouldn't kill him...and they had every reason to get rid of him to take over the meth business.

This has to be tied up. There has to be a reason nobody could kill Gus. It was not out of fear of Mike Ehrmantraut and his 11 guys, it was fear of something else.

I'm not saying that a new villain is going to be introduced, but I do think an extension of Gus could come in with a vengance in these last two episodes.

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

Don Eladio ending it with "But you're not in Chile, anymore" ties up the loose end. As in "I gave you a pass, but from here on out whatever pull you had in Chile is irrelevant."

Any reluctance to kill him after that stemmed from the millions of dollars he was making them.

I remember reading a few things that the Chile thing was pretty clearly (if you knew some history, which I didn't) ties to Pinochet.

[thebridge15]

I almost wish the momma scene weren't there. Or maybe the scene was but she didn't actually say it. Like we got the picture that Holly was uncomfortable with Walt.

[jek3295]

To those of you who watched the teaser for the next episode--

I originally thought that Saul was referring to the Nazis going for Walt's family when he said "You worry about your wife and kids. If they don't get you, they're going after them."

Maybe this is a flashback or even the cold open to the fragment of time between Walt taking Holly and the phone call to Skyler? As in Saul is telling Walt that if he leaves the police will go after Skyler since she knew everything (and they don't know Hank is dead yet, he's just missing), and that's how he comes up with the idea to call her while the police are listening.

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[BotheLaneFan]

Walt gon' use dat big gun to take out Jesse. Overkill Capt. Cook.

[RichieSSC]

Originally Posted by cruscott35

Stanton plays RF. Carry on correcting someone with misinformation.

Your right, I was confusing him with Altuve from the Astros.

[42graystreet]

Originally Posted by thebridge15

I almost wish the momma scene weren't there. Or maybe the scene was but she didn't actually say it. Like we got the picture that Holly was uncomfortable with Walt.

I don't follow you. That scene was amazing. Why would you not want that scene?

[thebridge15]

Originally Posted by 42graystreet

I don't follow you. That scene was amazing. Why would you not want that scene?

Just thought the "momma" was a overkill. Holly already looked pretty terrified of her father.

[MOWJO8185]

My wife (a new mommy as of 8 months ago) randomly watched her first episode of Breaking Bad with me this past weekend, just on a whim. She left the room crying at the Holly saying "momma" scene. It was pretty damn impactful.

[cpxc.]

Originally Posted by thebridge15

Just thought the "momma" was a overkill. Holly already looked pretty terrified of her father.

that wasn't planned, she just said it..i thought it was a cool scene

http://i.imgur.com/hkH1IKx.jpg

[Ascf33]

Originally Posted by Beefsteak1138

Christ...