*Prompter Thread* (NO personal attacks, NO trolling)

[zajDmB1]

Originally Posted by Climb2safety

Listening to NPR this morning they were giving Trump foreign policy credit for two things.

Saying the bombing in Syria was effective in standing up to the use of chemical weapons when Obamas threats fell flat.

And, his showing he's ready to pummel North Korea has been effective letting them know the stakes and also getting China to engage on the situation as well

I'll give him Syria, but NK? I mean, for fuck's sake. There's a reason nobody really takes them THAT seriously, including the countries that are attached/close to them.

Going to war with NK will serve one purpose and one purpose only. To absolutely pummel a country into the ground just to get a win. I mean, of course he can always play the 'spreading democracy' card like we always do, but its clearly not about that. He could give two shits about NK people.

It's basically akin to if I let some homeless dude on the subway screaming shit get to me and I go fight him. What's the point?

[cazzie34]

Originally Posted by jcc522

Is the NRA, like the ACLU, an organization when it comes to caring about our rights?

[coldengrey12]

Plus, as we've demonstrated in Afghanistan and Iraq, if you break it, you buy it.

It's easy for a country with our military might to knock over a little country like NK.

But if you do that, you have to commit to the longer campaign, which involves knowing the political terrain in a long-term campaign much more strategically than a short-term military campaign. If you overthrow their gov't and you become the people in charge, you have to lead.

We did not commit to either of those things well (or well enough) in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Climb2safety]

Originally Posted by zajDmB1

I'll give him Syria, but NK? I mean, for fuck's sake. There's a reason nobody really takes them THAT seriously, including the countries that are attached/close to them.

Going to war with NK will serve one purpose and one purpose only. To absolutely pummel a country into the ground just to get a win. I mean, of course he can always play the 'spreading democracy' card like we always do, but its clearly not about that. He could give two shits about NK people.

It's basically akin to if I let some homeless dude on the subway screaming shit get to me and I go fight him. What's the point?

The point was that he's forced NK to take us seriously and that if they keep testing rockets and such it's gonna go down. Basically treating a bully like a bully. And it's bright China and Russia along.

[jcc522]

Originally Posted by cazzie34

Is the NRA, like the ACLU, an organization when it comes to caring about our rights?

I don't agree with everything that the NRA does.

I am no longer an NRA member.

[Lcsulla]

Originally Posted by chadizzy1

Does Trump think it's funny or cute to call Elizabeth Warren "Pocahontas"? I don't get why he feels the need to use these childish nicknames, it's like he's a 4 year old

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/dona...hontas-n752621

Agreed. Fauxahontus would be a far better nickname considering the silly old woman lied for years about being an indian.....

Originally Posted by Climb2safety

The point was that he's forced NK to take us seriously and that if they keep testing rockets and such it's gonna go down. Basically treating a bully like a bully. And it's bright China and Russia along.

This, basically you need a surgical strike the will decapitate their government (aka destroy the kim blood line once and for all), decimate their high command in the military and do away with their nuclear stockpile and missile sites while limiting collateral damage as much as humanly possible. After, that we see what happens if they want US help with elections we help them, if the citizens still hate the US )assuming they do at this point) we send in the UN to oversee elections so maybe the UN will actually accomplish something beneficial to the world.

[Climb2safety]

Originally Posted by Lcsulla

Agreed. Fauxahontus would be a far better nickname considering the silly old woman lied for years about being an indian.....



This, basically you need a surgical strike the will decapitate their government (aka destroy the kim blood line once and for all), decimate their high command in the military and do away with their nuclear stockpile and missile sites while limiting collateral damage as much as humanly possible. After, that we see what happens if they want US help with elections we help them, if the citizens still hate the US )assuming they do at this point) we send in the UN to oversee elections so maybe the UN will actually accomplish something beneficial to the world.

Well, good chance 250k people in Soul are dead the moment we strike. And another 100k per day after that so, stakes are very high.

[coldengrey12]

I just don't get the "Pocahontas" thing.

If she's not Cherokee, there's little evidence she ever used it to gain an advantage.

If she is, it's just fucking insulting.

[Climb2safety]

Originally Posted by coldengrey12

I just don't get the "Pocahontas" thing.

If she's not Cherokee, there's little evidence she ever used it to gain an advantage.

If she is, it's just fucking insulting.

His attempt at this insult is more insulting that the attempted insult itself.

From all accounts, Pocahontas was a perfectly lovely Native American woman who Amy or may not have saved the life of John Smith. Without whole we'd have no where to pee at concerts.

[drop2d]

Originally Posted by Lcsulla

Agreed. Fauxahontus would be a far better nickname considering the silly old woman lied for years about being an indian.....



This, basically you need a surgical strike the will decapitate their government (aka destroy the kim blood line once and for all), decimate their high command in the military and do away with their nuclear stockpile and missile sites while limiting collateral damage as much as humanly possible. After, that we see what happens if they want US help with elections we help them, if the citizens still hate the US )assuming they do at this point) we send in the UN to oversee elections so maybe the UN will actually accomplish something beneficial to the world.

Not sure it's ever been proven that she 'lied' (or still is lying)... she believes she part native american. If it were me and I was in her position, I'd probably take a DNA test... I'm not even in her position but it's something I'll probably do at some point b/c I'm not totally sure of my heritage either.

[chadizzy1]

THEN:
"Why is @BarackObama constantly issuing executive orders that are major power grabs of authority?"
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...207808?lang=en

NOW:
Trump signs most executive orders in first 100 days since Truman
http://ktla.com/2017/04/27/once-crit...an-presidency/

[ShotgunDMB]

Economy didnt grow in first quarter. I was told the economy was booming.

[ShotgunDMB]

Liz Warren is just terrible. Bigger demogogue than Bernie. He believes the nonsense he says, shes a phony.

[drop2d]

Originally Posted by ShotgunDMB

Liz Warren is just terrible. Bigger demogogue than Bernie. He believes the nonsense he says, shes a phony.

Yeah, I won't disagree that she's terrible... just not sure it's ever been proven that she's NOT native american.

[Lcsulla]

Originally Posted by coldengrey12

I just don't get the "Pocahontas" thing.

If she's not Cherokee, there's little evidence she ever used it to gain an advantage.

If she is, it's just fucking insulting.

Muddling the truth a bit IMO. No, she did not use her claim to get into college or law school - course no one has seen the application so who knows. That said when she was a professor at Harvard she listed herself as a native American to gain tenure. Could trump be less of a dick about it sure but that woman is such an ideologue it drives me insane so I might tell where to shove her BS claims. Hell, even the Cherokee Nation claimed she was not a member of the tribe, nor a descendant of a member.

So basically she did the right thing by probably not claiming minority status when applying to college but when she came up for tenure she somehow turned into an indian - there is my gripe. People should be judged on who they are, not who their parents or grandparents are IMO - one might as well claim to be part black to move up, same thing different race. She is not on the clinton level just yet but that woman is a pathological liar.

If she wants to prove she has some indian blood in her producer some documentation, original documentation - not copies or take a DNA test to see what the results tell us. Maybe she is telling the truth, maybe not but right now we have no way of knowing because she refuses to make a single attempt to prove it, then again she is a politician so lying comes with the territory - marco rubio claimed to be a son of cuban refugees for advancement when the truth is his parents left cuba nearly 3 years before castro took over.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...r-what/257415/

[Route_2]

Originally Posted by coldengrey12

I just don't get the "Pocahontas" thing.

If she's not Cherokee, there's little evidence she ever used it to gain an advantage.

If she is, it's just fucking insulting.

This is the point people seem to be missing. I don't care if Warren is NA or not. Not that we've come to expect anything less from the human garbage that is Donald Trump, but it's insulting and racist to use the name of real NA person in a derogatory way like this. Of course he does it proudly.

[Lcsulla]

coldengrey12 - how is it racist to call out anyone who claims minority status for personal gain without a shred of proof that she was a minority?

[coldengrey12]

Originally Posted by Lcsulla

coldengrey12 - how is it racist to call out anyone who claims minority status for personal gain without a shred of proof that she was a minority?

Because why is that an issue?

If she is Cherokee, where's the insult? "You're a person, you person!"

[zajDmB1]

Originally Posted by Climb2safety

The point was that he's forced NK to take us seriously and that if they keep testing rockets and such it's gonna go down. Basically treating a bully like a bully. And it's bright China and Russia along.

Except NK ISN'T a bully, world-contextually-speaking. They wish they were a bully, but their gov't is too inept to do anything except deprive their populace of basic human rights.

[Lcsulla]

Originally Posted by coldengrey12

Because why is that an issue?

If she is Cherokee, where's the insult? "You're a person, you person!"

If DNA testing or original documents can prove she is a liar it is a huge issue, not that I believe she will do either.

Also not sure how calling out a blue eyed blonde white lady could be construed as racism at all.

[zajDmB1]

It was a dumb thing to say, so don't really care if randos make fun of her, but the President, to continue to use a childish name for someone this long, and into a presidency? Dude's such a little bitch.

[coldengrey12]

Originally Posted by Lcsulla

If DNA testing or original documents can prove she is a liar it is a huge issue, not that I believe she will do either.

Also not sure how calling out a blue eyed blonde white lady could be construed as racism at all.

I think that's part of the issue.

What are you saying? That she doesn't look Native American enough? How Native American does she have to look? What does that even mean?

[chadizzy1]

Originally Posted by Route_2

This is the point people seem to be missing. I don't care if Warren is NA or not. Not that we've come to expect anything less from the human garbage that is Donald Trump, but it's insulting and racist to use the name of real NA person in a derogatory way like this. Of course he does it proudly.

Originally Posted by zajDmB1

It was a dumb thing to say, so don't really care if randos make fun of her, but the President, to continue to use a childish name for someone this long, and into a presidency? Dude's such a little bitch.

This is correct. I don't care who it is, and I don't care if it's proven via a DNA test that they're Native American. It's derogatory. And to see the person with the title of President doing it is disgusting.

[Lcsulla]

Originally Posted by coldengrey12

I think that's part of the issue.

What are you saying? That she doesn't look Native American enough? How Native American does she have to look? What does that even mean?

I do not give a damn what the silly old bag looks like, I was pointing out that a racist claim is absurd when calling her out for lies. Far as I am concerned she is just another liar in a long line of liars who get into politics but she is the first (that I know of) who lied about her ancestry for personal gain.

[DMBstandUP1984]

Warren is fine with me. I don't even care about the Native American thing to be honest.

A politician fibbed to gain an advantage! My heavens...nobody died.

[coldengrey12]

Originally Posted by Lcsulla

I do not give a damn what the silly old bag looks like, I was pointing out that a racist claim is absurd when calling her out for lies. Far as I am concerned she is just another liar in a long line of liars who get into politics but she is the first (that I know of) who lied about her ancestry for personal gain.

You brought up that she's a "blue eyed blonde white lady," so I'd argue that you do care what she looks like.

If she's indeed Cherokee, it's pretty racist to mock her heritage and call her "Pocahontas."

If she's not, there are more tactful ways to do that.

However, I'd say insisting that she take such a test is a dick move and I wouldn't do it either. I know if someone told me I needed to prove my ethnicity, I'd tell them to go fuck themselves.

[Route_2]

Originally Posted by coldengrey12

I know if someone told me I needed to prove my ethnicity, I'd tell them to go fuck themselves.

What if someone told you you needed to produce your birth certificate to prove you were actually American?

[coldengrey12]

Originally Posted by Route_2

What if someone told you you needed to produce your birth certificate to prove you were actually American?

Depends who wants to know and why.

[zajDmB1]

White people just need to stop listing the 17 places their ancestors came from over the last 500 years just to feel special. It's dumb. I get it, we all want to be slightly more exciting than just some plain old white people , and we're all (for the most part) related to immigrants. But unless a/both parents were born in another country, you're just a white american at this point. Let's all get over it.

I've got a polish word for a last name, still only call myself polish if someone asks for my ancestry. I know almost nothing about Poland .

[cazzie34]

I don't know all the ins and outs of native american ancestry but:

A) Elizabeth Warren claimed cherokee heritage
B) Pocahontas was Algonquian. At least that is what wikipedia says. the word "cherokee" does not appear on her wikipedia page.

That in and of itself seems pretty fucking racist.