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Old 07-18-2017, 12:12 PM   #1
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What is DMB's bigger tech fail?

IMO - the fact they haven't released a full-band concert in high definition on Blu-Ray is by far more egregious. this should have been done at least 10 years ago.

then again, i own a sweet vinyl setup.


just wondering which is the bigger swing and miss...

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    IMO - the fact they haven't released a full-band concert in high definition on Blu-Ray is by far more egregious.
    More egregious than....? What are we comparing this to?
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    More egregious than....? What are we comparing this to?
    each other.
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    Two things.

    1. Lack of HD releases as you mentioned
    2. Phish, Dead and Company, Twiddle and others release basically every show to download online, for free if you were at the show also. I don't believe they're mastered but they're good soundboard mixes. The fact that DMB doesn't do those is annoying to me.
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    My bad, I was here before the poll posted!

    Definitely the worst one is not releasing a 1080p full band release. Though the audio on the LT40 blu-ray is fantastic
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    I have a third complaint too that relates to phish. Phish routinely livestreams shows in HD, tonight's for example is free, others you have to pay for. I would most definitely be town to catch some DMB livestreams too, periscope is cool but the quality is crap overall.
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    2. Phish, Dead and Company, Twiddle and others release basically every show to download online, for free if you were at the show also. I don't believe they're mastered but they're good soundboard mixes. The fact that DMB doesn't do those is annoying to me.
    The quality is awful on those. It's listenable as a memento, but nothing more than that.
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    I have a third complaint too that relates to phish. Phish routinely livestreams shows in HD, tonight's for example is free, others you have to pay for. I would most definitely be town to catch some DMB livestreams too, periscope is cool but the quality is crap overall.

    cool idea, but if they ever did this, i would stop going to concerts pretty much immediately (if the audio/video quality was decent).

    kind of like how i don't go to NFL games anymore. better to watch them on my big 70" silly at home.
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    HD release. The next big fail will be not getting an exclusive vinyl release again because of the all the whining with people writing novel length emails to the Warehouse and Music Today, not to mention the endless posts.

    Downloads are bullshit, but only because they will not stand the test of time. If you have a download in 25-50 years that hasn't been corrupted or lost, I will be shocked. There's a reason vinyl is appealing for more than just the potential sound quality.
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    cool idea, but if they ever did this, i would stop going to concerts pretty much immediately (if the audio/video quality was decent).

    kind of like how i don't go to NFL games anymore. better to watch them on my big 70" silly at home.
    I go to probably 3 Patriots games a year. I'm on the season ticket waiting list, but once the cold rolls around, unless its a huge playoff game, my ass is parked on the couch.
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    Definitely the lack of full band Blu-ray, it's 2017 and several artists have more than 4 individual Blu-ray concert titles out.
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    The quality is awful on those. It's listenable as a memento, but nothing more than that.
    You think so? I've listened to a few and they sounded at least better than tapes to me.
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    HD release. The next big fail will be not getting an exclusive vinyl release again because of the all the whining with people writing novel length emails to the Warehouse and Music Today, not to mention the endless posts.

    Downloads are bullshit, but only because they will not stand the test of time. If you have a download in 25-50 years that hasn't been corrupted or lost, I will be shocked. There's a reason vinyl is appealing for more than just the potential sound quality.
    Why does that matter?

    Physical media has died for a reason. Its inconvenient, and many people arent concerned enough with the quality difference, and never will be. Convenience is infinitely more important, why do you think the CD industry died and all these streaming services exist?
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    You think so? I've listened to a few and they sounded at least better than tapes to me.
    Its not at all. All of D&C's tour from last year are on there and they are fine. You notice it being off here or there, maybe, with a trained ear. Thats a piss poor excuse for DMB not doing it.
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    You think so? I've listened to a few and they sounded at least better than tapes to me.
    Yes, it's better than tapes. It's also better than getting kicked in the face by a mule. Doesn't make it good.
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    HD release. The next big fail will be not getting an exclusive vinyl release again because of the all the whining with people writing novel length emails to the Warehouse and Music Today, not to mention the endless posts.

    Downloads are bullshit, but only because they will not stand the test of time. If you have a download in 25-50 years that hasn't been corrupted or lost, I will be shocked. There's a reason vinyl is appealing for more than just the potential sound quality.
    Unbunch your undies a bit. Selling a digital download isn't going to decrease the value of your precious vinyl or lessen your enjoyment of listening to music in that format.
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    Why does that matter?

    Physical media has died for a reason. Its inconvenient, and many people arent concerned enough with the quality difference, and never will be. Convenience is infinitely more important, why do you think the CD industry died and all these streaming services exist?
    It matters because vinyl is money well spent. Even my CD's from the 90's have long outlasted downloads from over/under 10 years ago. Downloads will be lost or corrupted over time. That's a waste of money and time spent getting them, whereas I will be listening to my vinyl long into the future for many years to come.
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    Yes, it's better than tapes. It's also better than getting kicked in the face by a mule. Doesn't make it good.
    The true issue that hilly wont admit is because it would lessen the need for LT series and DMB live. It would effectively end those.

    Which, if I had SBD quality from every show I want for a streaming fee, I would much rather pay that then hope a show I want gets mixed and sold in one of the live series.
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    It matters because vinyl is money well spent. Even my CD's from the 90's have long outlasted downloads from over/under 10 years ago. Downloads will be lost or corrupted over time. That's a waste of money and time spent getting them, whereas I will be listening to my vinyl long into the future for many years to come.
    Streaming services keep the files intact and is literally available anywhere I get a cell phone signal.
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    The true issue that hilly wont admit is because it would lessen the need for LT series and DMB live. It would effectively end those.

    Which, if I had SBD quality from every show I want for a streaming fee, I would much rather pay that then hope a show I want gets mixed and sold in one of the live series.
    I would rather have a quality show than awful SBD recordings that bands put out.
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    The true issue that hilly wont admit is because it would lessen the need for LT series and DMB live. It would effectively end those.

    Which, if I had SBD quality from every show I want for a streaming fee, I would much rather pay that then hope a show I want gets mixed and sold in one of the live series.
    Here's the thing, even if they started doing it from today forward, they still have every show they've ever done available to mix and master for Live trax releases.
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    Buying soundboard mixed downloads from shows isn't going to stop me from buying live trax either.
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    Buying soundboard mixed downloads from shows isn't going to stop me from buying live trax either.
    But it will stop enough people from doing it to where its not profitable.
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    Streaming services keep the files intact and is literally available anywhere I get a cell phone signal.
    That may be true now, but said streaming service might go under in the future leaving people in the lurch. Maybe not. It's happened to countless people with photo albums from companies that went under and their stuff vanished. Hopefully, there is a backup or counter measure from those anecdotes in the cloud industry.

    I have just had shitty experience with downloads over time with back-to-back things that made me abandon the format entirely.
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    That may be true now, but said streaming service might go under in the future leaving people in the lurch. Maybe not. It's happened to countless people with photo albums from companies that went under and their stuff vanished. Hopefully, there is a backup or counter measure from those anecdotes in the cloud industry.

    I have just had shitty experience with downloads over time with back-to-back things that made me abandon the format entirely.
    Thats fine, but you talk like youre speaking for the entire country. Youre in the vast vast minority on this.


    I dont begrudge people for listening to vinyl.. I get the appeal. But its not for me, and its not for a ton of people. I dont think any music should be limited to one medium... seems counter-intuitive to the whole point of the thing.
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    HD release. The next big fail will be not getting an exclusive vinyl release again because of the all the whining with people writing novel length emails to the Warehouse and Music Today, not to mention the endless posts.

    Downloads are bullshit, but only because they will not stand the test of time. If you have a download in 25-50 years that hasn't been corrupted or lost, I will be shocked. There's a reason vinyl is appealing for more than just the potential sound quality.
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    But it will stop enough people from doing it to where its not profitable.
    I would think the individual show releases would be more profitable. People who don't normally buy live releases might be interested in buying shows they go to. They don't have to spend any money mastering them. They don't have to produce CDs.

    I'd love to see the sales numbers of Live Trax releases.
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    I would think the individual show releases would be more profitable. People who don't normally buy live releases might be interested in buying shows they go to. They don't have to spend any money mastering them. They don't have to produce CDs.

    I'd love to see the sales numbers of Live Trax releases.
    Same.. always been curious.
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