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Old 12-15-2014, 02:13 PM   #1021
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    Pretty close to the best. Time will tell. The last time they did an overhaul like this was prior to the 2005 season, and we all know what happened in 05.

    2004 trade deadline:
    Jose Contreras
    Freddy Garcia

    2005 offseason:
    Jermaine Dye
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    Orlando Hernandez
    Bobby Jenks
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    Ya but a lot of those weren't huge moves. White Sox just had a bunch of guys have career years. The 06' team was much better and had nothing to show for it.
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    Old 12-15-2014, 02:19 PM   #1023
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    Also FanGraphs had a write up on the White Sox: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-w...ery-good-team/

    Talks about how they might not be a good team yet, but if they can make the playoffs they have the top end talent to win. Really that's all you can ask for. I think the AL Central will be very winnable, so I hope they are able to make noise for you guys.
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    Old 12-15-2014, 02:32 PM   #1024
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    still need a real manager
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    Old 12-15-2014, 02:39 PM   #1025
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    Ya but Reinsdorf will never fire a former player. Chances are even if they remove him as manager he'll be promoted to something else within the organization. Look at what he's done with Kenny and Paxson.

    Personally if I was a White Sox fan I'd have wanted Kenny to go to Toronto and let Hahn make every baseball decision.
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    I don't think they make many other moves. Gillaspie is a serviceable 3b IMO and Sanchez or Johnson will be the starting 2b. Maybe they get a utility type to get the loser of the Sanchez/Johnson battle at bats at AAA because Leury was pretty bad last year. Likely, they will stick with Flowers/Nieto at C and, honestly, wouldn't be surprised if Nieto wins or if it is almost a 50/50 split. All that being said...I didn't think there was a snowball's chance in hell that they would be in on Samardzija, Melky, and Robertson. They probably want another starter since Noesi and Danks are what they are and Rodon is unknown, but the chances of dumping Danks and getting anything in return is very slim.
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    Ya but Reinsdorf will never fire a former player. Chances are even if they remove him as manager he'll be promoted to something else within the organization. Look at what he's done with Kenny and Paxson.

    Personally if I was a White Sox fan I'd have wanted Kenny to go to Toronto and let Hahn make every baseball decision.
    yep, he'll get bumped upstairs

    still need a real manager

    bring back Ozzie
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    Old 12-15-2014, 05:09 PM   #1028
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    I think McEwing is next in line. Shit if this season starts badly, I wouldn't be surprised if McEwing finishes the year. Give Ventura some ambassador job...
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    Old 12-16-2014, 08:46 AM   #1029
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    Also FanGraphs had a write up on the White Sox: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-w...ery-good-team/

    Talks about how they might not be a good team yet, but if they can make the playoffs they have the top end talent to win. Really that's all you can ask for. I think the AL Central will be very winnable, so I hope they are able to make noise for you guys.
    I'm just going to copy and paste this from a White Sox board I frequent, because I think it hit the nail on the head:

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    I just want to expound on this and point out that the Sox have a lot of high ceiling and/or young talent on the roster that is more likely to break out, but it is also the type of talent that regresses or stagnates. If Eaton or Gillaspie come back down to earth a bit next year, are we going to be surprised? If Abreu isn't quite a demigod and is merely one of the best 20 hitters in the game, are we going to be surprised? If Avisail Garcia doesn't break out like we're hoping him to..? I can go on and on. If they remain at their level, we also will not be surprised, and if some of these guys continue to improve, we will not be surprsied.

    These projections are trying to find the most likely outcome. They are not trying to say "this is what they WILL do" and they never wil say that. Jeff Sullivan admits as much in the article, essentially stating that the Sox have a chance. What I want to point out that he may not have directly pointed out is that the Sox do have a lot of high ceiling talent. The one and the same Jeff Sullivan published this article on Melky Cabrera yesterday too. Within the article, he basically suggests that maybe we are incorrect in viewing Cabrera as a 2 WAR player and instead should view him as a 3+ WAR player, in which case the White Sox got a very good deal. Maybe he is a 2 WAR player based on removing both his injury year and his PED year. It's hard to know exactly, but that's a calculated decision. Adam LaRoche is currently projected for a 1.5 WAR season via Steamer but just two years ago he was a 3.3 WAR player and he followed that up with a 0.5 WAR season. They are projecting him to barely regress at all. We can go on and on and on.

    There is also some evidence to suggest that the Sox have historically been underprojected via projection based systems because it assumes all teams get injured at the same rate, but the Sox have been one of the healthiest teams in the league over the past 15 years, especially with regards to their pitching staff, to the point where the difference has to be acknowledged as mere noise. Perhaps some of the difference can be made up there.

    The bottom line is that the Sox have improved but we have no idea how much they have improved until they play the games. A conservative projection says they have more talent than they did last year but they still do not have a lot of depth. Does anybody disagree with that? Even so, if they stay healthy, and they play up to their ceilings, they could be a very good team. All we can do is watch them play the games.
    A lot of those projections seem rather pessimistic, but we won't know until the season starts. A lot of these guys could very easily outperform those projections.
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    Honestly I am just excited to see some new players play in a White Sox uniform.
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    I'm just going to copy and paste this from a White Sox board I frequent, because I think it hit the nail on the head:



    A lot of those projections seem rather pessimistic, but we won't know until the season starts. A lot of these guys could very easily outperform those projections.
    Yeah I mean the projections are going to center around the mean by nature, due to the amount of regression. That's why every year you will see that the most games won by a team is greater than the most wins predicted by a projection system. That's just the way it is.

    The thing you don't exactly get with these projections, is that of course, all projections have error bars. For some projections, the spread / confidence interval is going to be greater (particularly for young players without a lot of MLB data or prospects). Abreu for instance. Steamer (to take one projection system) is going to regress him further because his production is based on one year. He is only projected for a 143 wRC+ vs. his production last year of 165 wRC+. Now, look at Mike Trout. Projected for 167 wRC+ vs. his 2014 of 167 wRC+ (and career 165 wRC+). Because he has 3 full seasons of data and therefore his production is more "predictable."

    So definitely you look at Abreu and there is definitely upside from the projection.
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    Ya but Reinsdorf will never fire a former player. Chances are even if they remove him as manager he'll be promoted to something else within the organization. Look at what he's done with Kenny and Paxson.

    Personally if I was a White Sox fan I'd have wanted Kenny to go to Toronto and let Hahn make every baseball decision.
    Every hard core Sox fan wants that. But the reality is that as long as Reinsdorf owns the team there is always going to be a certain level of loyalty throughout the organization. I still feel Hahn is able to make his own decision 85% of the time, and I think he's the one who has orchestrated this processs since he took over for KW 2 years ago. Heck, KW is the reason they signed Abreu so I'm not completely upset that he's still a part of the organization.
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    Lets not forget who assembled the roster for Chicago's first WS title since 1917 either...

    If he had done it on the other side of town he would already be considered an untouchable Chicago legend.

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    :wa sher
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    That was my 6 year old daughter....
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    Bonaficio makes me wonder if Micah and Davidson could be packages for Zobrist?
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    Bonaficio makes me wonder if Micah and Davidson could be packages for Zobrist?
    Ehhhh that'd be a stretch.
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    Ehhhh that'd be a stretch.
    Probably, but I am thinking that Eaton and Zobrist (both known for high OBP) batting ahead of Abreu would be incredible.
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    Bonaficio makes me wonder if Micah and Davidson could be packages for Zobrist?
    Zobrist is in high demand so you'll have to outbid other teams. You'll probablt have to give up a package that stings a little. Why would the Rays want Davidson?
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    Fairly certain that Robin Ventura was blitzed as shit for shoot the puck.
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    Fairly certain that Robin Ventura was blitzed as shit for shoot the puck.
    I said the same thing.
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    I think the a very important thing with all this to remember, too, is that without Jose Abreu and Chris Sale being as good as they are...none of this happens.

    Rusty/other Sox fans...what do you think of adding Gordon Beckham back to the roster as a bench player?
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    I'd take Beckham as a utility infielder but nothing more than that. He can't hit but his glove is incredible.

    Having said that, it won't happen. I think Beckham wants a starting gig somewhere and probably won't resign with the Sox since they gave up him already.
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    Beckham can get a starting job somewhere. They might try to get a utility type or additional bullpen arm for Viciedo.
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    I have no interest in Beckham back with the White Sox. Is he a free agent?
    Apparently I can predict the future. Welcome Gordon Beckham the utility player.
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    Old 02-01-2015, 11:36 AM   #1043
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    When I heard about this I was in shock. He's supposed to be a backup whic ok with me.
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    When I heard about this I was in shock. He's supposed to be a backup whic ok with me.
    I fully expect him to start.

    Beckham said he doesn't think he's a backup and that the White Sox don't view him as a backup. Hahn was on with Rongey and it sounds like Beckham will get every chance to start.

    I don't get why they'd bring him back, but outside of Beckham the Sox have had a great off-season.
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    Old 02-01-2015, 02:47 PM   #1045
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    Yeah one of my fears is that the young guys they have coming in to play 2nd will struggle and that will open the door for beckham to start again. Its just disappointing because after 6 years I think we have seen enough of him to know that he cant hit.
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    Rodon's slider is fucking disgusting. Possible late season rotation of Sale, Quintana, Shark, Rodon, Danks...I will be back in a second, need to go masturbate real quick.
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    Pretty excited for tomorrow. I think they should be improved maybe not enough to make the playoffs but could seem them in the 82-86 win range.
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    I think the Sox should, at least, be semi competitive in the division. They should also be fun to watch with Abreu, Garcia, Johnson/Sanchez, and Rodon.
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    Welp...embarrassed by the Twins. Completely pathetic thus far. Ventura should be the first manager fired.
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    Welp...embarrassed by the Twins. Completely pathetic thus far. Ventura should be the first manager fired.
    I don't think Ventura is a good manager, but he's unlikely going anywhere because he's a Reinsdorf guy. We also live in a world where Ned Yost managed World Series games. So talent can overcome a bad manager.

    I also wouldn't freak out over a slow start. If Sale comes back and the team stays healthy they'll win games. The only part that really sucks about this start is that they're division games.
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