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snow1868 · 01-20-2015, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

beach ball may be the most overrated song in the catalog. I'm not saying its awful, or even below average, but the way people speak of it here, you'd think it was stone, or last stop.

The lyrics aren't great, but it sounds like DMB compared to what was BW.

Captainnumber36 · 01-20-2015, 07:37 PM

I voted BW, obviously. I'm ok with bands changing their sound, and I think they did this effectively with BW. AFTW sounds forced, I love Broken Things, Belly Belly Nice, If Only, Rooftop on the album, and I love the song Snow Outside, but not the studio version (dave's vocals don't do it for me), but the rest I could do without.

BW sounds like the band is excited and passionate while AFTW sounds forced and uninspired to my ears.

crashintonickdm · 01-20-2015, 07:41 PM

whats forced with AFTW?

the only album that was forced was everyday because brand new songs were written in less than a week without 3 members of the band even being on the same coast as dave and ballard.

Captainnumber36 · 01-20-2015, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

beach ball may be the most overrated song in the catalog. I'm not saying its awful, or even below average, but the way people speak of it here, you'd think it was stone, or last stop.

I'd say Beach Ball is on the same level of Stone and Last Stop.

crashintonickdm · 01-20-2015, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Captainnumber36

I'd say Beach Ball is on the same level of Stone and Last Stop.

Captainnumber36 · 01-20-2015, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

whats forced with AFTW?

the only album that was forced was everyday because brand new songs were written in less than a week without 3 members of the band even being on the same coast as dave and ballard.

The Songwriting feels very forced for the most part to my ears.

Captainnumber36 · 01-20-2015, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

"With wicked wit, and when I use it, dash the hopes of those who hate me"

Absolutely love that line. Love Carter on it. Love the horns on it. Love the progression. Love the structure. It has the classic DMB epic feel to it like Monkey Man imo. Haters gunna hate.

bartender_man · 01-20-2015, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by chadizzy1

AFTW pretty easily.

Away From The World
Great - Broken Things, Rooftop, Snow Outside, Drunken Soldier
Good - Belly Belly Nice, Gaucho, The Riff
Decent - Mercy, Sweet, Belly Full, If Only
Bad - N/A

Big Whiskey
Great - N/A
Good - Dive In, Alligator Pie, Baby Blue, Why I Am
Decent - Funny The Way It Is, LITHOG, Squirm, Time Bomb
Bad - Shake Me Like A Monkey, Spaceman, Seven, You & Me

Dizzy gonna Dizzy. None of the songs off AAFW are great. Broken, Snow, and Soldier are all good. But far from great.

bartender_man · 01-20-2015, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by snow1868

The lyrics aren't great, but it sounds like DMB compared to what was BW.

I feel the same

bartender_man · 01-20-2015, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

beach ball may be the most overrated song in the catalog. I'm not saying its awful, or even below average, but the way people speak of it here, you'd think it was stone, or last stop.

Better than anything off the last 2 albums tho.

chadizzy1 · 01-20-2015, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bartender_man

Dizzy gonna Dizzy. None of the songs off AAFW are great. Broken, Snow, and Soldier are all good. But far from great.

To each their own, man. I really enjoy AFTW, vastly over BW.
I just wish the AFTW songs got more play (ones other than Rooftop and BBN) - they could have evolved more.

Captainnumber36 · 01-20-2015, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chadizzy1

To each their own, man. I really enjoy AFTW, vastly over BW.

TobiasClown · 01-20-2015, 08:48 PM

As a whole, Big Whiskey. Aside from Time Bomb, there isn't a tune on Big Whiskey I immediately skip. AFTW has three rather large duds - Gaucho, Belly Full, & If Only.

With all that said, and as others have mentioned, AFTW contains the best songs of the two albums. Snow Outside, Drunken Solder, Broken Things, Rooftop, and even Mercy are all great songs.

TheLastPig · 01-20-2015, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dramageek

Beach Ball is very solid. In fact, Little Red Bird had the makings of a fine album.

Too bad they never duplicated the 5.1.09 version.

I listen to 5.1.09. constantly. That is Big 3 quality stuff on that version.

Cscottrun · 01-20-2015, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

Away From the World.

Nothing on BW comes close to Broken Things or Snow Outside. The best thing to come out of the BW sessions didn't even make the freakin album.

This is precisely how I feel.

crashintonickdm · 01-20-2015, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bartender_man

Better than anything off the last 2 albums tho.

i disagree 100%

its not a bad song by any means.

crashintonickdm · 01-20-2015, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Captainnumber36

"With wicked wit, and when I use it, dash the hopes of those who hate me"

Absolutely love that line. Love Carter on it. Love the horns on it. Love the progression. Love the structure. It has the classic DMB epic feel to it like Monkey Man imo. Haters gunna hate.

haters gonna hate what?

i never said i hated it. i just said it was vastly overrated, but that its still an average song.

**ExistenceNow** · 01-20-2015, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

beach ball may be the most overrated song in the catalog. I'm not saying its awful, or even below average, but the way people speak of it here, you'd think it was stone, or last stop.

It's the best thing to come out of the BW sessions, and the only thing to come out of those sessions that actually sounds like DMB. I think people gravitate to it for that reason (and also because it's a good song in its own right.)

It's certainly not on the level of The Stone, but I think it's in the upper echelon of post LWS songs.

**ExistenceNow** · 01-20-2015, 09:12 PM

And of course, like most of the best post LWS songs, it never gets played.

bartender_man · 01-20-2015, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

It's the best thing to come out of the BW sessions, and the only thing to come out of those sessions that actually sounds like DMB.

It's certainly not on the level of The Stone, but I think it's in the upper echelon of post LWS songs.

This sums it up perfectly

coldengrey12 · 01-20-2015, 09:18 PM

Big Whiskey: Wins.

Flawless victory.

Musicology200 · 01-20-2015, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sugar_will

Big Whiskey.

AFTW gets the "hardcore" vote because Lillywhite produced it. If it was the same album, same songs, but Cavallo or anyone else at the helm, it wouldn't get nearly the love that it does. It's a decent lay-up that some fans pretend is a 3-point shot at the buzzer.

Not true. Despite the fact that he doesn't play the parts live, Boyd is alive and well on AFTW. Belly Belly Nice, Drunken, Broken Things (with the blue water jam in the middle). The other members are prominently showcased as well on the album (Belly Belly Nice and Snow Outside come to mind for both Tim and Jeff) in a much more pronounced way than on BWGK. It's not simply because Lillywhite produced it.

LITHOG, Baby Blue, Spaceman, and Squirm are all really great songs though.

bartender_man · 01-20-2015, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Musicology200

Not true. Despite the fact that he doesn't play the parts live, Boyd is alive and well on AFTW. Belly Belly Nice, Drunken, Broken Things (with the blue water jam in the middle). The other members are prominently showcased as well on the album (Belly Belly Nice and Snow Outside come to mind for both Tim and Jeff) in a much more pronounced way than on BWGK. It's not simply because Lillywhite produced it.

LITHOG, Baby Blue, Spaceman, and Squirm are all really great songs though.

Lillywhite producing it does has a huge influence. Lot of people feel this way so there is some truth to it

TrippinNancies1 · 01-20-2015, 09:26 PM

I think Beachball is as good as people make it out to be. I've never seen people place it on the level of The Stone or Last Stop, (until this thread, anyway) but I agree with the sentiment that it is one of the better, most classic-DMB sounding songs post LWS. The May 1st, 2009 performance is a perfect representation of the potential of the current line-up.

Back to the thread. Away From The World is easily the better record. I appreciate Big Whiskey for what it is, but I can't for the life of me understand how fans who are so familiar with the band could prefer that material over AFTW's.

kittensXLI · 01-20-2015, 09:33 PM

Probably the only time BW could rightfully win a poll.

snow1868 · 01-20-2015, 09:54 PM

And yet, it's losing.

davem#36 · 01-20-2015, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLastPig

The fact that beach ball has been forgotten is a sin. I'm so lucky I saw the solo version I'm burgettstown

I was luck enough to get the debut in 09 and liked it immediately then to have it open Dave solo at DC is one of the best surprises I've ever had at a show. It gave me chills.

UrsadonDMB · 01-22-2015, 09:36 AM

Big Whiskey has a whole album has moved in front of AAFTW for me. Not sure why, it's just the way I feel.

sugar_will · 01-22-2015, 09:42 AM

Away From The Whiskey

Grux
Shake Me Like a Monkey
Broken Things
Belly Belly Nice
Lying in the Hands of God
Why I Am
Sweet
Squirm
Seven
Rooftop
Baby Blue
Snow Outside
Drunken Soldier

cooke726 · 01-22-2015, 10:04 AM

If BW wasnt beaten to death live I dont think it would get soo much hate, whereas AFTW is the opposite, aside from BBN, and Rooftop it really hasnt been played much live.

With that being said...I think AFTW is slightly better than BW...but its very very close.

View Poll Results: Which is better?
Big Whiskey	59	39.07%
Away from the World	92	60.93%
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01-20-2015, 07:37 PM	#32
Captainnumber36 Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,355 Shows Seen: 0 DMB Hub Stubs: 1 My Tour Central Stats	Re: Spinoff: Big Whiskey or AFTW? I voted BW, obviously. I'm ok with bands changing their sound, and I think they did this effectively with BW. AFTW sounds forced, I love Broken Things, Belly Belly Nice, If Only, Rooftop on the album, and I love the song Snow Outside, but not the studio version (dave's vocals don't do it for me), but the rest I could do without. BW sounds like the band is excited and passionate while AFTW sounds forced and uninspired to my ears. Last edited by Captainnumber36; 01-20-2015 at 07:39 PM.

01-20-2015, 07:41 PM	#33
crashintonickdm Watching the wheels Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mount Laurel, NJ Posts: 74,131 Shows Seen: 81 DMB Hub Stubs: 27 My Tour Central Stats	Re: Spinoff: Big Whiskey or AFTW? whats forced with AFTW? the only album that was forced was everyday because brand new songs were written in less than a week without 3 members of the band even being on the same coast as dave and ballard. __________________ -Nick https://www.instagram.com/vinylspinnerlp/

01-20-2015, 08:48 PM	#43
TobiasClown clownish play Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,138 Shows Seen: 28 DMB Hub Stubs: 12 My Tour Central Stats	Re: Spinoff: Big Whiskey or AFTW? As a whole, Big Whiskey. Aside from Time Bomb, there isn't a tune on Big Whiskey I immediately skip. AFTW has three rather large duds - Gaucho, Belly Full, & If Only. With all that said, and as others have mentioned, AFTW contains the best songs of the two albums. Snow Outside, Drunken Solder, Broken Things, Rooftop, and even Mercy are all great songs. __________________ Jack y'all behave yourselves.

01-20-2015, 09:12 PM	#49
ExistenceNow AM.org Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 89,709 Shows Seen: 117 DMB Hub Stubs: 30 My Tour Central Stats	Re: Spinoff: Big Whiskey or AFTW? And of course, like most of the best post LWS songs, it never gets played. __________________ -Matthew Dallas Tailgate Map

01-20-2015, 09:18 PM	#51
coldengrey12 Listen to St. Vincent Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Emerald City Posts: 44,905 Shows Seen: 70 DMB Hub Stubs: 24 My Tour Central Stats	Re: Spinoff: Big Whiskey or AFTW? Big Whiskey: Wins. Flawless victory. __________________ Ants 2023 Album of the Year RESULTS

01-20-2015, 09:26 PM	#54
TrippinNancies1 Slippin slow away... Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: West Coast Posts: 4,321 Shows Seen: 15 DMB Hub Stubs: 7 My Tour Central Stats	Re: Spinoff: Big Whiskey or AFTW? I think Beachball is as good as people make it out to be. I've never seen people place it on the level of The Stone or Last Stop, (until this thread, anyway) but I agree with the sentiment that it is one of the better, most classic-DMB sounding songs post LWS. The May 1st, 2009 performance is a perfect representation of the potential of the current line-up. Back to the thread. Away From The World is easily the better record. I appreciate Big Whiskey for what it is, but I can't for the life of me understand how fans who are so familiar with the band could prefer that material over AFTW's. __________________ Current top 10: Seek Up, One Sweet World, JTR, Pay For What You Get, What You Are, Lying In the Hands of God, Warehouse, The Stone, The Dreaming Tree, Drive In Drive Out

01-20-2015, 09:54 PM	#56
snow1868 Party in the back! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ocoee, FL Posts: 35,438 Shows Seen: 13 DMB Hub Stubs: 6 My Tour Central Stats	Re: Spinoff: Big Whiskey or AFTW? And yet, it's losing. __________________ Ryan Go Pokes! Go Royals! Go Chiefs! Remember the Ten 1/27/01 4 Ever 11/17/11

01-22-2015, 09:36 AM	#58
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01-22-2015, 09:42 AM	#59
sugar_will Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 463 Shows Seen: 14 DMB Hub Stubs: 6 My Tour Central Stats	Re: Spinoff: Big Whiskey or AFTW? Away From The Whiskey Grux Shake Me Like a Monkey Broken Things Belly Belly Nice Lying in the Hands of God Why I Am Sweet Squirm Seven Rooftop Baby Blue Snow Outside Drunken Soldier

01-22-2015, 10:04 AM	#60
cooke726 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Philly Posts: 2,252 Shows Seen: 26 DMB Hub Stubs: 15 My Tour Central Stats	Re: Spinoff: Big Whiskey or AFTW? If BW wasnt beaten to death live I dont think it would get soo much hate, whereas AFTW is the opposite, aside from BBN, and Rooftop it really hasnt been played much live. With that being said...I think AFTW is slightly better than BW...but its very very close.

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