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acoustic_soul · 06-07-2009, 12:47 PM

This is a great album, but I get frustrated when I listen to it for a few reasons

1) As we all know, there is very little Boyd. that's annoying. what worse is that I can hear him on a few songs, but he's turn down so low that I had to turn up my headphones to hear it. that's not cool. I feel like Tim is on this record at the expense of Boyd.

It's almost as if the "sound" of the band has changed a bit.

..which brings me to #2

2) Too much electric guitar. Even though I'm a guitarist, I always loved the "sound" of the band, how Roi and Boyd were there instead of an electric guitarist. It was one of the things that made DMB unique and special for me. I don't like the sound of many of these songs with Tim all over them.

Tim did a great job with the Big 3 by positively contributing to the albums without being overbearing, but on this album, it's all Tim, all the time.

I think a song like FTWII would sound awesome with acoustic guitars instead of electric, which is my point.

3)Songs lack depth IMO. I LOVE the songs on BW, I adore them. They have tons of potential and this is what frustrates me.

On the Big 3, there are a lot of instrumental parts and solos from members of the band, and the songs were more complex as a result. On BW, there are rarely any solos, and if there are any, they are from Tim.

We all heard the "needs the pace" part from Scenes from BW. I am assuming this was from Time Bomb. It shouldn't have been scrapped. Parts like that are what made those songs from the Big 3 so special. If they had left that section in Time Bomb, it would probably be one of my favorite DMB songs ever. It is frustrating because I wonder what other parts like this were scrapped from other songs.

With all this being said, they should feel like they have musical freedom, and all that matters is that DMB makes an album that they like. I think the album is awesome, which is why I just shake my head at what it could have been. I think if they had done a few things differently, this album would easily be as good as the big 3, which is why I am frustrated.

I'm sorry for writing a novel.

slmiller1 · 06-07-2009, 01:05 PM

I too was thinking the same thing about the electric feel. Plus, Dave is playing a Taylor on this

Go back to Martin Dave

Also, where's Shotgun or Idea of You?

dmband425 · 06-07-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by slmiller1

I too was thinking the same thing about the electric feel. Plus, Dave is playing a Taylor on this

Go back to Martin Dave

Also, where's Shotgun or Idea of You?

a song about suicide is hardly a fitting song that is dedicated to your fallen friend...it's like dumping on the brides dress at a wedding. would really be inappropriate.

acoustic_soul · 06-07-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dmband425

a song about suicide is hardly a fitting song that is dedicated to your fallen friend...it's like dumping on the brides dress at a wedding. would really be inappropriate.

agreed. Anyway, I hope their next album is comprised of unreleased live songs. They have been road tested and we know they are good. It would be the same kind of thing as Crash and UTTAD.

Bluewater21 · 06-07-2009, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slmiller1

I too was thinking the same thing about the electric feel. Plus, Dave is playing a Taylor on this

Go back to Martin Dave

Also, where's Shotgun or Idea of You?

Dave only plays Martin guitars on D+T or Dave solo tours. He has always played Taylor guitars with the band. At least this decade anyway

jmband · 06-07-2009, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acoustic_soul

This is a great album, but I get frustrated when I listen to it for a few reasons

1) As we all know, there is very little Boyd. that's annoying. what worse is that I can hear him on a few songs, but he's turn down so low that I had to turn up my headphones to hear it. that's not cool. I feel like Tim is on this record at the expense of Boyd.

It's almost as if the "sound" of the band has changed a bit.

..which brings me to #2

2) Too much electric guitar. Even though I'm a guitarist, I always loved the "sound" of the band, how Roi and Boyd were there instead of an electric guitarist. It was one of the things that made DMB unique and special for me. I don't like the sound of many of these songs with Tim all over them.

Tim did a great job with the Big 3 by positively contributing to the albums without being overbearing, but on this album, it's all Tim, all the time.

I think a song like FTWII would sound awesome with acoustic guitars instead of electric, which is my point.

3)Songs lack depth IMO. I LOVE the songs on BW, I adore them. They have tons of potential and this is what frustrates me.

On the Big 3, there are a lot of instrumental parts and solos from members of the band, and the songs were more complex as a result. On BW, there are rarely any solos, and if there are any, they are from Tim.

We all heard the "needs the pace" part from Scenes from BW. I am assuming this was from Time Bomb. It shouldn't have been scrapped. Parts like that are what made those songs from the Big 3 so special. If they had left that section in Time Bomb, it would probably be one of my favorite DMB songs ever. It is frustrating because I wonder what other parts like this were scrapped from other songs.

With all this being said, they should feel like they have musical freedom, and all that matters is that DMB makes an album that they like. I think the album is awesome, which is why I just shake my head at what it could have been. I think if they had done a few things differently, this album would easily be as good as the big 3, which is why I am frustrated.

I'm sorry for writing a novel.

I agree, cant really say all songs lack depth though, but al those lame lyrics and bridges should have been Boyd and Jeff jamming...

Bluewater21 · 06-07-2009, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmband425

a song about suicide is hardly a fitting song that is dedicated to your fallen friend...it's like dumping on the brides dress at a wedding. would really be inappropriate.

Read the lyrics to Time Bomb's first verse bro

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Bluewater21 · 06-07-2009, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acoustic_soul

This is a great album, but I get frustrated when I listen to it for a few reasons

1) As we all know, there is very little Boyd. that's annoying. what worse is that I can hear him on a few songs, but he's turn down so low that I had to turn up my headphones to hear it. that's not cool. I feel like Tim is on this record at the expense of Boyd.

It's almost as if the "sound" of the band has changed a bit.

..which brings me to #2

2) Too much electric guitar. Even though I'm a guitarist, I always loved the "sound" of the band, how Roi and Boyd were there instead of an electric guitarist. It was one of the things that made DMB unique and special for me. I don't like the sound of many of these songs with Tim all over them.

Tim did a great job with the Big 3 by positively contributing to the albums without being overbearing, but on this album, it's all Tim, all the time.

I think a song like FTWII would sound awesome with acoustic guitars instead of electric, which is my point.

3)Songs lack depth IMO. I LOVE the songs on BW, I adore them. They have tons of potential and this is what frustrates me.

On the Big 3, there are a lot of instrumental parts and solos from members of the band, and the songs were more complex as a result. On BW, there are rarely any solos, and if there are any, they are from Tim.

We all heard the "needs the pace" part from Scenes from BW. I am assuming this was from Time Bomb. It shouldn't have been scrapped. Parts like that are what made those songs from the Big 3 so special. If they had left that section in Time Bomb, it would probably be one of my favorite DMB songs ever. It is frustrating because I wonder what other parts like this were scrapped from other songs.

With all this being said, they should feel like they have musical freedom, and all that matters is that DMB makes an album that they like. I think the album is awesome, which is why I just shake my head at what it could have been. I think if they had done a few things differently, this album would easily be as good as the big 3, which is why I am frustrated.

I'm sorry for writing a novel.

I disagree with this post in the sense that it is wrong to judge any of this bands albums based on the lack of jams. I would much rather them make future albums with good tight songs, than try and extend mediocre tracks with jams. Mostly every song on big whiskey will be jammed out to an extent live, so why do you need both? I think a clean consise studio cut is good to have along side a drawn out monster of a live cut

MistreatedLewis · 06-07-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluewater21

I disagree with this post in the sense that it is wrong to judge any of this bands albums based on the lack of jams. I would much rather them make future albums with good tight songs, than try and extend mediocre tracks with jams. Mostly every song on big whiskey will be jammed out to an extent live, so why do you need both? I think a clean consise studio cut is good to have along side a drawn out monster of a live cut

There ain't nothing mediocre about the studio jams of Nancies, 41, Crush, LIOG. Those tracks wouldn't be half as good without them.

In other words, I respectfully disagree. I like my DMB studio albums chock full of violin and sax jams.

dmband425 · 06-07-2009, 01:56 PM

you should drop the extra period out of the thread title...jake is lockin ... threads, cuz he's sick of seeing them.

acoustic_soul · 06-07-2009, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluewater21

I disagree with this post in the sense that it is wrong to judge any of this bands albums based on the lack of jams. I would much rather them make future albums with good tight songs, than try and extend mediocre tracks with jams. Mostly every song on big whiskey will be jammed out to an extent live, so why do you need both? I think a clean consise studio cut is good to have along side a drawn out monster of a live cut

I didn't say I want "jams". I'd like to see more depth within the songs and more instrumental parts. That being said, it's only my opinion.

dotpsd · 06-07-2009, 01:58 PM

Why can't people just not complain? Just enjoy what they put out, it's great music.

acoustic_soul · 06-07-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dmband425

you should drop the extra period out of the thread title...jake is lockin ... threads, cuz he's sick of seeing them.

oh shit that was a typo, I wasn't meaning for it to be like the "..." kind of thing.

MistreatedLewis · 06-07-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dotpsd

Why can't people just not complain? Just enjoy what they put out, it's great music.

Nothing is as annoying as stupid posts like this.

acoustic_soul · 06-07-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dotpsd

Why can't people just not complain? Just enjoy what they put out, it's great music.

I like good music. I don't like bad music. I get frustrated when I hear good music that could be awesome music.

kingchrisII · 06-07-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MistreatedLewis

Nothing is as annoying as stupid posts like this.

Overly negative posts are much more annoying than overly positive posts.

People that talk about how no songs from BWGK should A) kill themselves or b) get off this website.

(Not talking about you, but someone who might have called BWGK Everyday volume 2)

That shits much more annoying than this.

dmband425 · 06-07-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dotpsd

Why can't people just not complain? Just enjoy what they put out, it's great music.

yeah man. communism all the way. no one should ever get out of line. makes no sense...kinda like on a sinking boat with women and children first, i mean why should they get to go first

Bluewater21 · 06-07-2009, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistreatedLewis

There ain't nothing mediocre about the studio jams of Nancies, 41, Crush, LIOG. Those tracks wouldn't be half as good without them.

In other words, I respectfully disagree. I like my DMB studio albums chock full of violin and sax jams.

You did not read my post correctly. I said future albums! i did not knock any previous work. I said i would take compact good songs, over drawn out mediocre songs

Bluewater21 · 06-07-2009, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dotpsd

Why can't people just not complain? Just enjoy what they put out, it's great music.

AMEN

MistreatedLewis · 06-07-2009, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluewater21

You did not read my post correctly. I said future albums! i did not knock any previous work. I said i would take compact good songs, over drawn out mediocre songs

Fair enough, but I'd take good songs with good jams over compact good songs. That's just me though.

acoustic_soul · 06-07-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MistreatedLewis

Fair enough, but I'd take good songs with good jams over compact good songs. That's just me though.

handyc7 · 06-07-2009, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slmiller1

I too was thinking the same thing about the electric feel. Plus, Dave is playing a Taylor on this Go back to Martin Dave

Also, where's Shotgun or Idea of You?

Interesting. To be honest, i don't think it would have made much of a difference. And personally, i'd take a Taylor ANYDAY over a Martin. But every guitar player has their own preference.

kingchrisII · 06-07-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dmband425

yeah man. communism all the way. no one should ever get out of line. makes no sense...kinda like on a sinking boat with women and children first, i mean why should they get to go first

Fuck the album was only a 9 out of 10, wasnt a 10 out of 10... lets bitch moan and protest.

Much better logic.

edit: that sounded harsh, and like I was taking a stab at you. I just mean that both extremes to the sides are wrong.

People can complain, but when they go over board its even more ridiculous than not complaining at all.

dmband425 · 06-07-2009, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingchrisII

Overly negative posts are much more annoying than overly positive posts.

People that talk about how no songs from BWGK should A) kill themselves or b) get off this website.

(Not talking about you, but someone who might have called BWGK Everyday volume 2)

That shits much more annoying than this.

wasn't that you that said the OP should kill himself

acoustic_soul · 06-07-2009, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingchrisII

Fuck the album was only a 9 out of 10, wasnt a 10 out of 10... lets bitch moan and protest.

Much better logic.

Actually that's not good logic at all. You are assuming that everyone thinks it's a 9/10.

kingchrisII · 06-07-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dmband425

wasn't that you that said the OP should kill himself

it was indeed.

kingchrisII · 06-07-2009, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acoustic_soul

Actually that's not good logic at all. You are assuming that everyone thinks it's a 9/10.

I dont think that... Thats just a fact.

dmband425 · 06-07-2009, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingchrisII

Fuck the album was only a 9 out of 10, wasnt a 10 out of 10... lets bitch moan and protest.

Much better logic.

this is a discussion board, and not everyone is gonna see things the same way. this isn't candyland where we all dance and hold hands with gumdrop smiles. people can bitch that they don't like something, but when they really don't back up why they don't like it, or spend an entire afternoon convincing everyone else they are wrong it gets a little tierd. my point is, it's the internet, where else you gonna complain?

kingchrisII · 06-07-2009, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmband425

this is a discussion board, and not everyone is gonna see things the same way. this isn't candyland where we all dance and hold hands with gumdrop smiles. people can bitch that they don't like something, but when they really don't back up why they don't, or spend an entire afternoon convincing everyone else they are wrong it gets a little tierd. my point is, it's the internet, where ales you gonna complain?

I agree... After I read what I wrote I realized I phrased it wrong, thats why I edited it.

Being critical when you have a point is one thing...

acoustic_soul · 06-07-2009, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingchrisII

I dont think that... Thats just a fact.

good one. I personally think it's probably a 7 or 8 out of 10. Does that give me the right to complain since I don't think it's a 9/10?

06-07-2009, 12:47 PM	#1
acoustic_soul proudest billie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: new england Posts: 299 Shows Seen: 0 DMB Hub Stubs: 1 My Tour Central Stats	what really frustrates me with BWGGK.. This is a great album, but I get frustrated when I listen to it for a few reasons 1) As we all know, there is very little Boyd. that's annoying. what worse is that I can hear him on a few songs, but he's turn down so low that I had to turn up my headphones to hear it. that's not cool. I feel like Tim is on this record at the expense of Boyd. It's almost as if the "sound" of the band has changed a bit. ..which brings me to #2 2) Too much electric guitar. Even though I'm a guitarist, I always loved the "sound" of the band, how Roi and Boyd were there instead of an electric guitarist. It was one of the things that made DMB unique and special for me. I don't like the sound of many of these songs with Tim all over them. Tim did a great job with the Big 3 by positively contributing to the albums without being overbearing, but on this album, it's all Tim, all the time. I think a song like FTWII would sound awesome with acoustic guitars instead of electric, which is my point. 3)Songs lack depth IMO. I LOVE the songs on BW, I adore them. They have tons of potential and this is what frustrates me. On the Big 3, there are a lot of instrumental parts and solos from members of the band, and the songs were more complex as a result. On BW, there are rarely any solos, and if there are any, they are from Tim. We all heard the "needs the pace" part from Scenes from BW. I am assuming this was from Time Bomb. It shouldn't have been scrapped. Parts like that are what made those songs from the Big 3 so special. If they had left that section in Time Bomb, it would probably be one of my favorite DMB songs ever. It is frustrating because I wonder what other parts like this were scrapped from other songs. With all this being said, they should feel like they have musical freedom, and all that matters is that DMB makes an album that they like. I think the album is awesome, which is why I just shake my head at what it could have been. I think if they had done a few things differently, this album would easily be as good as the big 3, which is why I am frustrated. I'm sorry for writing a novel. __________________ -Alex

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dotpsd Join Date: May 2007 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,564 Shows Seen: 38 DMB Hub Stubs: 15 My Tour Central Stats	Re: what really frustrates me with BWGGK.. Why can't people just not complain? Just enjoy what they put out, it's great music.

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slmiller1 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 19 Shows Seen: 0 DMB Hub Stubs: 1 My Tour Central Stats	Re: what really frustrates me with BWGGK.. I too was thinking the same thing about the electric feel. Plus, Dave is playing a Taylor on this Go back to Martin Dave Also, where's Shotgun or Idea of You?

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