Fantasy Slut League

[justink]

we all hear stories about how stupid kids are these days... but here's a story exhibiting the genius of one.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/articl...nt-3972681.php

[gravedigger07]

Originally Posted by justink

we all hear stories about how stupid kids are these days... but here's a story exhibiting the genius of one.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/articl...nt-3972681.php

You. Have. No. Life.

[unccrombie]

you guys didn't do this in school? losers

[justink]

Originally Posted by gravedigger07

You. Have. No. Life.

Originally Posted by gravedigger07

I work for a meat distributing business. Currently, I am driving my truck downtown and trying to sell steaks to people. We just got a big shipment of T-bones in, so I have been pushing the T-bones over the past few days. I have sold over $1,000 in steaks this weak already...

i'm not driving a Schwan's truck.

[bonzo48280]

So a bunch of high schoolers have been trying to get laid, and they won't get punished for it.

Solid thread. Would read again.

[whygohome?]

^^ meat burn

[BIG Eyed <><]

Apparently the students won't be punished because the investigation was unable to confirm actual participants.

http://piedmont.patch.com/articles/p...r-sex-activity

In my opinion, there needs to be some sort of punishment. Shutting down the varsity sports program for a period of time should be considered.

Text of the letter sent to parents from Piedmont's principal, Rich Kitchens, is contained in the spoiler. Spoilered due to length.

Important Notice from the Piedmont Unified School District

October 19, 2012

TO PARENTS OF PHS STUDENTS

I am writing to follow up on information that has surfaced recently as part of our annual "Date Rape Prevention" assembly. Every student and many parents at PHS have seen this assembly that grew out of real-life incidents experienced by Piedmont students.

We have recently heard of troubling incidents involving our students that I feel are important to share with all parents. Based on the "fantasy league" game concept, it has been reported that students on some of our Varsity Teams have set up a "Fantasy Slut League" in which our female students (unbeknownst to most of them) are drafted as part of the league. Male students earn points for documented engagement in sexual activities with female students. Although I was surprised and sorry to find out that this concept is not unique to Piedmont High School, it does not deter our responsibilities as an educational community to address it.

The Administrative staff conducted an investigation by interviewing students, parents and staff as to facts about such a league with the interest of identifying individuals involved, including student victims. We did not get any specific identification of male or female student participants. What we did gather prompted me to share information with parents so that you can be partners in reinforcing our mission to develop young people who treat each other with dignity, respect, and courtesy. Our information revealed:

General recognition that over the past 5-6 years such a league has existed in one form or another as part of "bonding" for some Varsity Teams during their seasons of sport.
Many students (male and female) were aware of it and participated.
Male and female students felt pressure to participate and/or lacked confidence to overtly stop it.
Participation often involved pressure/manipulation by older students that included alcohol to impair judgment/control and social demands to be popular, feel included and attractive to upper classmen.
A commitment from current Varsity Team members that there is none of the activity going on now (at least from this point forward).
Fear that participation in the league could have in-school discipline consequences and affect future college acceptance.
The entire Piedmont High School staff joins me in developing activities and conducting discussions to strengthen student integrity and the confidence to act in positive ways. The revelation that students expressed concern that the fallout could result in discipline and affect their college applications suggests an understanding by students that there is something wrong with the "Fantasy Slut League." While off-campus activities are not subject to school discipline, because it involves our students it involves us. At this point, because we do not have specifics about participants or victims, our focus is on education and understanding moving forward, not discipline for past activities.

Our Acting teacher, Kim Taylor, who developed the "Date Rape Prevention" assembly, is collecting personal stories from a variety of student (and adult) sources to develop a similar type assembly that addresses this issue and other related personal integrity issues. Afterward, facilitated structured discussions with students will occur in classes. We are also establishing a new meeting for athletes at the start of each season to address issues of sportsmanship, conduct, and integrity. Additionally, we will also discuss a more comprehensive way to address these issues as part of our PHS School Site Council goals.

What we are asking of parents:

The purpose of alerting parents to this type of activity is to encourage you to talk with your teen. Include allowing your student to share his/her perspective. Encourage your child to understand their personal boundaries and provide strategies how to maintain those boundaries. Support them in taking a stand in the face of activities they know to be wrong. Help them truly understand what respect for their own and opposite gender looks like. Model what you want of them. We will let you know when the assemblies are scheduled so that you can seize the opportunity to continue the dialogue.

You have heard me say "we are all in this together." We have to act in unison to help our students grow and develop into the young men and women we envision. We have an incredible group of students who are going to be tomorrow's leaders. Let us give them all of the support, education and tools they need to become who we know they are.

Please be bold in your conversations with your child. Feel free to contact me, Anne Dolid, Karyn Shipp and/or your child?s counselor if you have any questions or would like additional support. If you discover your child is in distress or has been taken advantage of, please contact the PHS Wellness Center so that we can provide him/her support.

Thank you for working with the Piedmont High School staff in providing the 360 degree support that makes Piedmont a community.

Sincerely,
Rich Kitchens and the PHS Staff

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[daveshookme]

^^ you're delusional, and this is an awesome response from the school.

[NextMovement41]

hoes gonna hoe

[JCpatriot66]

....so who won?

[BIG Eyed <><]

Originally Posted by daveshookme

^^ you're delusional, and this is an awesome response from the school.

Thanks for your well thought-out disagreement with my statement. You have convinced me that there should be no repercussions for an informal, but socially-sanctioned statutory rape and underage alcohol abuse "crime-ring" (for lack of a better term) organized by varsity athletes to "team-bond."

Yeah, nothing to see here. Move along.

[JCpatriot66]

Also, the only fantasy league where it's really good when the star of your team goes down.

[BIG Eyed <><]

Originally Posted by JCpatriot66

Also, the only fantasy league where it's really good when the star of your team goes down.

A clever pun if I've seen one.

[whygohome?]

After reading the details of the league, that's a great idea

This story becoming big isn't going to do anything but give the idea to high schoolers that didn't already know about it

[daveshookme]

Originally Posted by BIG Eyed <><

Thanks for your well thought-out disagreement with my statement. You have convinced me that there should be no repercussions for an informal, but socially-sanctioned statutory rape and underage alcohol abuse "crime-ring" (for lack of a better term) organized by varsity athletes to "team-bond."

Yeah, nothing to see here. Move along.

explain where this is the school's problem: __________

edit: and good job inventing facts re: alcohol abuse. You runnin for pres?

[BIG Eyed <><]

Originally Posted by whygohome?

This story becoming big isn't going to do anything but give the idea to high schoolers that didn't already know about it

This is definitely true.

[whygohome?]

Originally Posted by BIG Eyed <><

Thanks for your well thought-out disagreement with my statement. You have convinced me that there should be no repercussions for an informal, but socially-sanctioned statutory rape and underage alcohol abuse "crime-ring" (for lack of a better term) organized by varsity athletes to "team-bond."

Yeah, nothing to see here. Move along.

Wait...how is it statutory rape? Did I miss something?

[JCpatriot66]

Originally Posted by whygohome?

Wait...how is it statutory rape? Did I miss something?

If I'm not mistaken, in California it is considered illegal for someone under the age of consent (18) to have sex, even if it is with someone of the same age and is consensual. Not the case everywhere, but it is there. I think.

[whygohome?]

So if 2 16 year olds in California have sex they are statutorily raping each other?

Or is it just an 18 year old having sex with a 16 year old?

[aicdmb]

If 2 people are both under age, how can there be a crime??

[AlexK79]

Originally Posted by JCpatriot66

Also, the only fantasy league where it's really good when the star of your team goes down.

Nice work.

[BIG Eyed <><]

Originally Posted by daveshookme

explain where this is the school's problem: __________

The FSL was created and carried out, according to the letter, by members of varsity teams as a means of team-bonding. The school clearly has an ineffective/failing athletic department if for 5-6 years not a single varsity coach, trainer, or school counselor was able to discover this issue, or report if to the proper authorities if it was discovered at any point during the 5-6 years. Having very recently played a varsity sport in high school, I find it impossible to believe that not a single coach had any idea this was going on. Yeah, high schoolers are adept at hiding things from authorities, but they aren't that adept.

[JCpatriot66]

Originally Posted by whygohome?

So if 2 16 year olds in California have sex they are statutorily raping each other?

Or is it just an 18 year old having sex with a 16 year old?

With two 16 year olds, both commit a crime. The other, just the 18 year old.

Originally Posted by aicdmb

If 2 people are both under age, how can there be a crime??

Both are breaking the law by having sex with a minor. There is no description in the law of the age of the person who is having sex with that minor.

[zajDmB1]

JustinK condoning date rape? Didn't see that one coming. Oh wait, yes I did.

[kittensXLI]

Rich Kitchens

[BIG Eyed <><]

Originally Posted by whygohome?

So if 2 16 year olds in California have sex they are statutorily raping each other?

By my understanding of the law, this would not be statutory rape. However, see JCpatriot's post as he appears to have more knowledge than me.

Originally Posted by JCpatriot66

With two 16 year olds, both commit a crime. The other, just the 18 year old.



Both are breaking the law by having sex with a minor. There is no description in the law of the age of the person who is having sex with that minor.

Originally Posted by whygohome?

Or is it just an 18 year old having sex with a 16 year old?

This would be statutory rape, as I understand it. According to the letter, older students were having sex with younger students who felt unable to say "No." That is statutory rape.

[whygohome?]

That can't be an actual law how would you prosecute 2 underage teens for having sex with eachother??

In kentucky it is legal to have sex with a 16 year old until you are 21. True story.

[aicdmb]

Man, can u imagine being charged with a sex crime if u are 16, banging your 16 yr old girlfriend?? Has to be in top 3 dumbest laws ive ever seen

[JCpatriot66]

Originally Posted by BIG Eyed <><

By my understanding of the law, this would not be statutory rape. However, see JCPatriot's post as he may have more knowledge than me.

This would be statutory rape, as I understand it. According to the letter, older students were having sex with younger students who felt unable to say "No." That is statutory rape.

Again, I know that used to be the law in California, where comparative age doesn't matter. I don't know if it still is. A lot of states have laws that allow two minors to have sex, or a minor to have sex with someone if the age difference is less than a certain amount (like, say, 18 year old with a 16 year old might be legal, but a 23 year old with a 16 year old would not be).

[BIG Eyed <><]

Originally Posted by daveshookme

explain where this is the school's problem: __________

edit: and good job inventing facts re: alcohol abuse. You runnin for pres?

Quote from the letter sent to parents by Piedmont's principal, Rich Kitchens:

Originally Posted by Rich Kitchens

Participation often involved pressure/manipulation by older students that included alcohol to impair judgment/control and social demands to be popular, feel included and attractive to upper classmen.

Alcohol use by underage high schoolers=alcohol abuse.