Philadelphia Phillies

[rickyh24]

Someone in my household is so rattled.

[junior94]

btw in one of the little roundtable discussion videos that ESPN has up right now, right at the very end, the host for some reason happens to mention "the Phillies chance now at getting into the playoffs at .1%" (I THINK that's what he said, anyway) and you hear Kruk, right before the video cuts off, say "that's HIGH"

[JRS1386]

Fire raj

[junior94]

yea I think I've come to the realization that most of the good will Amaro supposedly had early on as being a good GM, was really just coming off Gillick. That maybe ultimately Amaro's not really any better than Wade was.

[smokew11]

Originally Posted by junior94

yea I think I've come to the realization that most of the good will Amaro supposedly had early on as being a good GM, was really just coming off Gillick. That maybe ultimately Amaro's not really any better than Wade was.

you're only 2 years behind the rest of us

[junior94]

well okay I didn't mean literally just today

[junior94]

damn... okay I hadn't really been paying that much attention to the game other than having it on mute in the background (& even that is more than I've usually been doing), I did notice Lee's injury when it happened and he took himself out in the middle of the inning. But I just heard Rickybo talk about it on post-game, just hearing the quick broad strokes, sounds like Lee's very possibly pretty much gone for the year. granted, not that that would make one goddamn lick of a difference


edit: actually, scratch that, yea I suppose it could. Just that, it feels like most baseball analysts I've heard talk about how Lee was probably a more likely waiver-deadline trade move than this regular one, but even that sure as hell ain't happening now.

[DMBzilla]

Originally Posted by smokew11

Rube's asking prices was far too high. Heyman tweeted out that we was asking for 2 top prospects in return for Byrd. Are you fucking kidding me?

and yeah, I understand that its difficult to trade players with contracts like these, but RAJ gave these contracts out. He put them in this position.

Utley, Rollins, Byrd, Burnett and Papelbon all could have gone elsewhere, but the phillies were pretty much bidding against themselves. All of these guys are vastly overpaid, and all have very player-friendly contracts with easily reachable vesting options. Phillies have given out some of the ugliest contracts in recent memory

I actually don't have any issue with the Utley, Byrd or Hamels deals. Utley has surpassed expectations this season and will be solid until he retires as a Phillie. Byrd was a steal compared to the market for outfielders this past season (though I think an argument could be made that he never should have been signed in the first place knowing that this team wasn't going anywhere). Hamels is the kind of talent that deserves his salary, and he wasn't going for any less anywhere else.

As to the rest, this is why Amaro sucks -- those guys should have been traded for even one decent prospect, but he wanted the world. By failing to unload a single contract there's now no money freed up for next season, meaning we're going to languish in this state for at least another year.

The ONLY rational explanation I heard today is that it's possible that the ownership knows RAJ fucked up, he's on borrowed time, and they didn't want him making any deadline deals for complete lack of trust. I could see that, but I honestly just think they've gone back to being the clueless disaster of a front office they were prior to Gillick bringing in the necessary pieces to make us a contender.

[Coker]

If the Front Office doesn't trust him for a rebuild, then he should have been fired prior the trading deadline. They should have let somebody else take the reins of the rebuild, even if it was just for this year. Assistant GM, Scouting Director, Special Assistant to the GM. Anybody else.

There's zero reason he is still employed.

[smokew11]

Originally Posted by DMBzilla

I actually don't have any issue with the Utley, Byrd or Hamels deals. Utley has surpassed expectations this season and will be solid until he retires as a Phillie. Byrd was a steal compared to the market for outfielders this past season (though I think an argument could be made that he never should have been signed in the first place knowing that this team wasn't going anywhere). Hamels is the kind of talent that deserves his salary, and he wasn't going for any less anywhere else.

As to the rest, this is why Amaro sucks -- those guys should have been traded for even one decent prospect, but he wanted the world. By failing to unload a single contract there's now no money freed up for next season, meaning we're going to languish in this state for at least another year.

The ONLY rational explanation I heard today is that it's possible that the ownership knows RAJ fucked up, he's on borrowed time, and they didn't want him making any deadline deals for complete lack of trust. I could see that, but I honestly just think they've gone back to being the clueless disaster of a front office they were prior to Gillick bringing in the necessary pieces to make us a contender.

I heard that theory on 97.5 too

Utley has obviously outplayed his expectations, but has he outplayed the salary hes being paid? maybe, but thats only compared to other 2B's, not baseball overall. I Wanted them to trade Rollins or let him go a few yrs ago and then keep Utley...but to have 2 middle infielders at age 37 or so..ugh

Byrd has far exceeded expectations also. The problem with his contract is the ridiculous vesting option, and its the reason he couldnt be traded. Teams want to rent a 36 yr old hitter, not buy him for the next 2 years.

I'm not mad about the Hamels contract, he was just difficult to trade if they wanted to because of the years and $

and remember when we all wanted him to trade Lee last season? Looks like we may have a major problem on our hands for the next 2 years if he vests.

Is there a history of former players becoming GM's? I just feel like Amaro has given out too many ridiculous player-friendly contracts

Originally Posted by Coker

If the Front Office doesn't trust him for a rebuild, then he should have been fired prior the trading deadline. They should have let somebody else take the reins of the rebuild, even if it was just for this year. Assistant GM, Scouting Director, Special Assistant to the GM. Anybody else.

There's zero reason he is still employed.

this is one of the issues with the Phillies front office as a whole. I'm all for loyalty (Amaro has been with the organization since 1992), but at some point you have to bite the bullet. I think the only way yesterday makes sense is if they do what Zilla said, and they are going to allow Amaro to resign at the end of the year

[gocubsgo3822]

"In this day and age, I think one of the most over-coveted elements of baseball are prospects," Amaro said. "I don't know how many prospects that have been dealt over the last several years have really come to bite people in the ass. I think what's happened is, I think teams are really kind of overvaluing in some regards."
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/spor...3ED113VkS01.99

classic

[smokew11]

our GM doesn't value prospects, good to know

[rickyh24]

He doesn't value them because he has no idea how to evaluate them.

[junior94]

I heard Tim Kurkjian mention yesterday, Boston could be the first team in the history of the game to go from last place - world champs - last place in 3 straight years. It's kinda freaky but I guess this really is how the game is now, a team can go from being horrible to great (and vice versa) in the blink of an eye.

It feels like there's no gradual drop off even for players themselves anymore, they can tank so quickly. Look at how short it took for Halladay to go from one of the best to brink of retirement.

[rickyh24]

The Bank is packed tonight.

[junior94]

damn, after tonight's loss, Ryan Howard's slash line is down to .218/.300/.370. 2 more k's.

and Chooch only has 3 points difference between his OBP and SLG (.367 to .370), I don't think I've ever seen that before.

[rickyh24]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_YUnxqamgc

[Roose13]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

The Bank is packed tonight.

Man, didn't know you went. Would have looked for you to say hey. What a fucking show

[rickyh24]

Originally Posted by Roose13

Man, didn't know you went. Would have looked for you to say hey. What a fucking show

One of the best shows I have ever seen. I was looking at his sets and thought there was literally 0 chance we heard Longest time.

[Roose13]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_YUnxqamgc

By far the most exciting thing to happen in this stadium all year

[rickyh24]

Was hoping it was going to segue into Motown philly.

[kev87lads]

Why am I watching this game?!?!?!?

[Roose13]

Can't believe I watched that game last night with my gf. And I can't believe it didn't make my gf want to leave me

Oh, and yay Ryno!

[rickyh24]

Was offered tickets to last nights game. So glad we declined.

[junior94]

just read that the boys set an all time major league record last night. The most times ever (887, I think?) for the same 1st baseman, 2nd baseman and shortstop to have started the same game together.

so, we got that at least, which is nice

[TomDMB803]

Roberto Hernandez to the Dodgers for two players to be named later and the Cubs claimed Hamels. Pretty interested by the Cubs move, they have the prospects to get Hamels.

Still no word on who Byrd was claimed by as far as I know.

[rickyh24]

It would make no sense to trade hamels now. So amaro may do it. Wait until the offseason when you can call other teams and tell them you have a better deal on the table from another team.

[junior94]

Originally Posted by TomDMB803

Roberto Hernandez to the Dodgers for two players to be named later and the Cubs claimed Hamels. Pretty interested by the Cubs move, they have the prospects to get Hamels.

Still no word on who Byrd was claimed by as far as I know.

hey maybe we'll get lucky and LA will accidentally have Puig or Greinke or something on the list of guys we can chose for the PTBNL

[smokew11]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

It would make no sense to trade hamels now. So amaro may do it. Wait until the offseason when you can call other teams and tell them you have a better deal on the table from another team.

I just dont trust Amaro to make the right move. Hamels is the only player on the Phillies worth serious prospects

[junior94]

sweep of the Astros, here goes the turnaround to the playoffs!!